Doomsday economic predictions, the Umpqua College shooting event, Russian ascendance in the Middle East, Facebook censorship, the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the end of tenure …

discuss“Free Form Fridays” have become something of an institution at MHB. Previous open threads over the summer and early fall have been platforms for vibrant discussions eliciting hundreds of comments on each. These have given readers opportunities to present and discuss topics as they see fit.

Thus here is another chance to chime in with other readers on whatever pressing issue may be on your mind . Thank you for your continued interest and participation.-JFT

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  1. Emily Sakamoto is a 21 year old student at Emory University who faces felony charges for making a terrorist threat to shoot up her school on Yik Yak.

    The following anonymous comment was posted on heavy.com regarding her story:

    Anonymous says:
    October 12, 2015 at 5:52 pm

    “She is a troubled girl. I lived in close proximity for a year with her and repeatedly reported her for questionable and possibly abusive behaviors. I wish the school had taken action before this happened too.”

    http://heavy.com/news/2015/10/emily-sakamoto-5-fast-fast-facts-you-need-to-know/

    At what point does community monitoring “report[ing] her for questionable and possibly abusive behaviors” become offensive and provoke the very violence it seeks to prevent???

    1. Good question, PeaceFrog. God save us from people like “Anonymous.”

      You have to wonder if provoking the very violence it (purportedly) seeks to prevent, is part of the plan. Opportunity in crisis, and all that.

  2. Have you been to your regional planning council lately?

    These are excerpts from a 2012 lecture by the father of New Urbanism. The full lecture, filmed by Martin County is also on line. Check the comment from Rosa Koire……..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3rGwpyNwnY

    Did you know that America has been broken up into 11 regions? See America2050.org. In Florida this region is called Seven50 – 7 counties for 50 years. Three counties in S. Florida opted out but behind closed doors the unelected bureaucrats continue to redesign and densify our cities along transit hubs. Palm Beach County is busy building the new transit village. Massive high density housing construction is taking place from Miami north according to the S.Florida Business Journal.

    These councils are busy planning where and how we will live without your vote.

    1. The first steps were taken by Eisenhower (WWII mass murderer) when the federal interstate highway system was begun. It wasn’t started for the convenience of motorists…..

      1. Stlonginus, I heard it was for rapid transport of military if the need arose. Came in handy for distribution of goods also. And it opened up vast areas for development. Personally, I used it for a coast to coast trip back in the early 70’s with wife #1, PuffingStough all the way. Toot toot ! We took the scenic route.

  3. So, the Dutch authorities make their Report on the downing of MH17, having politely refused all offers from Russia of its technical and satellite data which you would think would greatly assist them……and conclude that a Russian made missile shot down the jet……all western media report and repeat ”Russian made” missile..
    If the missile had happened to have been made in America or Britain, do you think the media would have reported this as ” An American / British made missile” or as simply ” a missile”?
    Does the media ever say ” American made weapons” are being used by the Saudis to massacre civilians in Yemen?

    The evidence that the ”missile” firstly was actually a missile and secondly was fired from a rebel held area is still highly dubious IMO….. I can’t see how the rebels or the Russians had anything to gain, whereas the West maximised anti-Russian propaganda to their considerable advantage, at least among the unawakened masses

    I’m starting to just slightly begin to believe that the Americans/ Nato/ The West are making such bizarrely outrageous claims about their foreign exploits, especially the Syria situation, that they are really risking waking up the ordinary people from their apathy …… but maybe not, foolish moment of optimism on my part…probably….

    1. Cui Bono?

      An enormous amount of pressure was placed on the Russian economy due to the sanctions over MH17. They paid a big price for helping the ethnic Russians in Eastern Ukraine.

      The Dutch are also blaming Kiev for opening its air space to commercial flights during the conflict when it was foreseeable this incident could happen. Poroshenko wanted this incident, he needed it at the time.

  4. Monopolar world vs. multipolar world

    What Irene Caesar is talking about a lot is that the NWO and those who push it, mainly the decendants of Khazar slave and drug traders, want a monopolar world. She says that scientifically there is no such thing in the quantum universe as a monopol. Each any everyone of us is completely unique. The universe according to this understanding is and must be multipolar. So we need to understand that we have been enslaved on this planet and that we need to wake up and stand up for our own uniqueness, for the uniqueness of the land we live on and for the unique heritage of our people.

    To avoid WW3 it is high time to wake up to who we truly are and start to live from that potential. We don’t need any rulers. We don’t need world government, enslavement and suppression of mankind. We have to claim our spiritual heritage as children of the universe and start living from that!

    http://alexandergottwald.com/en/840/wake-up-or-perish-russian-philosopher-irene-caesar-interviewed-on-nwo-putin-ww3-the-solution/#8FpljHRAWksLvP7L.99

    1. I think we are about to “claim our spiritual heritage as children of the universe and start living from that”, and that we will need to sacrifice many material comforts, and “reboot” in order to reconsider what “we” (they) have done, and to never allow it to happen again. That, in my opinion, is the next World War, and it has nothing to do with Russia, Iran, Syria, Korea, but has only to do with ourselves.

  5. Cut and paste 1140 Umpqua College Rd, Roseburg, OR 97470 on this site, and it shows no incidents:

    https://www.crimereports.com/

    Furthermore, cut and paste 16430 Booker T. Washington Highway, Moneta, VA, 24121 and you will see no incidents, similar to how the FBI statistics had no murders in Newtown, CT in 2012.

        1. I thought you’d never ask !

          You know my darkest secrets…Ha

          I have been lacking. We may need Folk to come start one of his arguments.

          I’ll start it:

          You are all of bunch of brain washed racists and are part of American Power and can’t see your all brainwashed ..bla bla

          How’s that for a start Me Dub?

          I suggest a pint or two for yourselves bloke…

        2. Sad..my comment is at the UN, then must go thru DHS, then NSA so you won’t see it tonight….

        3. As a very well educated person said from Ferguson said last year:

          “Let’s burn this B$tch Down”

        4. Toni,
          you must be a racist and part of American Power…..

          Sorry, I was just channeling Folktruther….haha

          Jane, you ignorant…if your old enough to remember that one…HaHa

        5. I’m done. Everything in Mod.

          We can’t talk in real time, can’t have fun joking.

          Of course I will be good and self censor but someone thinks otherwise.

          Forget it

          Bye

      1. Ric, I’ve finally “arrived”. My comments no longer go to moderation. They just ………disappear! I’ll accept your congratulations.

        1. Toni’s become comfortably Numb.

          I’m working on it as we speak…Hee Hee

          And yes, I may slur my typing…….

  6. I will be a guest on Patrick Henningsen’s Real Wire this coming Sunday, October 18 at 1PM EST
    http://21stcenturywire.com

    On next week’s Real Politic Sofia Smallstorm joins the program to discuss the corporatization of America, in addition to the relationship between the growth in federal grants and the many “live shooter” and emergency drills, sometimes presented via news media as spontaneous events.

    1. Copied from http://21stcenturywire.com:
      http://i0.wp.com/21stcenturywire.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/GUYS-MONTAGE-2-Mini-1.jpg

      “LISTEN LIVE ON THIS PAGE AT THE FOLLOWING SCHEDULED SHOW TIMES:

      http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/07/26/episode-94-sunday-wire-der-homeland-with-host-patrick-henningsen-and-guest-prof-james-tracy/

      SUNDAY – 5pm-8pm GMT | 12pm-3pm EST | 9am-12pm PST

      This week’s edition of THE SUNDAY WIRE is broadcasting LIVE from Der Homeland, as host Patrick Henningsen returns this week to cover more audacious national and world news.

      In the first hour, we’ll discuss this week’s leading stories, including this week’s installment of 21WIRE’s “The Daily Shooter” featuring a cinema rampage by a mentally ill actor in Lafayette, Louisiana, as well as a review of the Chattanooga Shooting, as well as the rise of Donald Trump and the GOP’s Sweet 16 field of political cannon fodder.

      To help breakdown Chattanooga and other “mass shootings”, we’re joined by special guest Professor James Tracy from Memory Hole Blog for an in depth discussion of America’s new mass shooting media culture.

      In the third hour we’ll look at some other disturbing trends on TV like the latest craze, BattleCam, and the coming war waged by the UK , US and Israel – against the government and the people of Syria.

      Strap yourselves in and lower the blast shield – this is your brave new world…”

    2. Ok, the broadcast of this interview went awry, and 21stcenturywire took it down.

      I was able to download it and clean it up though. Actually, I have a friend with sound editing software and he cleaned it up, and he said it was probably recorded too “hot” and that caused all the clipping.

      Problem is, I can’t seem to get it uploaded anyplace, so I can’t share it with you guys.

      I’ll keep trying. I haven’t even listened to it yet.

    3. Today’s edition of Real Wire was postponed due to especially unusual technical difficulties with the broadcast, according to the show’s producer. I hope to be a guest on the October 25 edition of the program.

      1. Certainly puts a bit of a spin on things, eh?

        I’ve been saturated…completely desensitized. I don’t even care, other than I don’t want more gun laws passed, even if (hell, especially if) any of these events are true.

        They won.

  7. Came across this (http://pjmedia.com/davidsteinberg/progressive-new-book-reveals-what-left-doesnt-want-you-to-know-about-how-old-their-ideas-are/) this morning. It’s a review of Michael Walsh’s new book about Critical Theory. Here’s and excerpt:

    The culture needed to go, not just the rule of law.

    Critical Theory taught that the act of criticism itself — burning each pillar of Western society, be it bulletproofed reason, simple economic law, and even (and especially) the notions of family, marriage, and the risk calculations of casual sex — made for a moral code of life. Burying the wisdom of the past — and nevermind bothering to replace it with new decisions, just simply destroy — was the future.

    Writes Walsh:

    At once overly intellectualized and emotionally juvenile, Critical Theory — like Pandora’s Box — released a horde of demons into the American psyche. When everything could be questioned, nothing could be real, and the muscular, confident empiricism that had just won the war gave way, in less than a generation, to a fashionable central-European nihilism that was celebrated on college campuses across the United States.

    Seizing the high ground of academe and the arts, the new Nihilists set about dissolving the bedrock of the country, from patriotism to marriage to the family to military service; they have sown … “destruction, division, hatred, and calumny” — and all disguised as a search for truth that will lead to human happiness here on earth.

    End of passage.

    I argue that Western Civilization came to an end with the 9/11 event, and that the 20th century was a transition period; we are now in a new civilization, of which we are starting to get a feel for what constitutes its outlines. The complete failure of Europe’s peoples to defend themselves against the current invasion of millions of hostile, military-aged, young men from Africa and the Arab world is an indicator of what has happened to what used to be the West.

    After Roman Civilization gave way to Western (Christian) Civilization, the peoples of Europe developed a coherent, new, way of life. They were confident, and vigorously defended themselves when attacked. Alas, Spain and the Balkan peninsula fell to Mohammed’s savage invaders, and those people languished under dhimmitude for centuries before throwing off that yoke–but they DID rise up, and cast out the aliens that enslaved them.

    Why is Europe now surrendering, and INVITING an invasion by the alien civilization it used to instinctively, manfully, beat back when it tried to Islamize Europe? Because the West is no more. Europeans don’t think they have anything to defend.

    Why has filled the hole where confidence in Western values used to be? Critical Theory, for a start. A blueprint for civilizational suicide.

    1. I cannot see that Nihilism is the causative vector in the rush to tyranny.Not by a long shot. If we go back to Dr Kevin McDonald’s “Culture of Critique”, we find that the infusion of other nationalities into the US was a jew planned and carried out attack that was meant to dilute the White European influence here. Gaze upon the presence and function of the Fed i.e. jew bankers in toto. Look at the big banking houses, look at Hollywood, the media congolomerates, who is behind them? Who only sells to other jews?
      Conspiracy begets reality, if you look into US neocons what do you see? The central core of jews is there for what reasons? Money and power, is that a possibility? Let’s face it, the US has a jew problem. And a massive one, at that.

      1. Moreover, who espouses integration of races while eschewing intermarriage of jews with gentiles? The almost fanatic rush to get these “refugees and other flotsam” into the US is a planned attack. Weakening the US makes it easier for the elites to take over and submit us to serfdom and penury. This is no accidental action, this has been planned for a long, long time. The Destroyer in Chief says we are doing this because we are a humane nation of caring people.Nothing is farther from the truth. Obama, aka the Tool of the Jews, has not told the truth once since he took office. To those that believe this plant, this highly trained societal psychopathic IED, thanks a bunch, you took the cell phone and sold out for a few yuans and a trinket that is likely bugged right back to NSA.

        Americans have been mind deadened, they’ve taken the bait along with their commie inspired “educations” and this is the kind of decisions they have made for the last century. Propaganda is our new religion and we can’t be sated with lies, either. Putin is right, we are idiots here, we follow our “leaders” because we have accepted this wunderfull and democratic 2 party system that is the source of our misery and demise. Comfortably numb will get you every time.

        1. No doubt Gil
          When you introduce other cultures in mass quantity into any country it is a source of destabilization. It is especially potent when they are young Wahabbis, trained by British agents for decades, young, disenfranchised and brain washed, don’t speak the language etc. It is all part of the plan.

          As I have said before, both world wars were about keeping German technology from any type alliance with Russian resources, and their penchant for defending themselves and their martial valor.

          It is still going on today. A large part of the Donmeh are the eternal victims trained for chaos. They are being funneled into Europe. There will be no German technology if there are no Germans, no close relations with Russia, no invincible alliance, no road blocks to the NWO. No Germans, no problem. It is pretty much genocide.

          http://aanirfan.blogspot.com/2014/07/the-big-secret-theyre-all-jews.html

        2. The controllers espouse this. You can only be khazar if you have a khazar mother. On the other hand Asia is for Asians, Africa is for Africans but Europe and the north American continent is for everybody. The native American indians are appalled at the lunatics who have taken over, as they appear to have no reasoning and are unleashing the entire world upon them. Yeah those who have little land space left watch helplessly as more immigrants flood in to finish them off.

          The native American has always been feared by the man behind the curtain due to their spiritual awareness. It must be eradicated at all costs and replaced by bible thumping.

      2. Let’s face it, the US has a jew problem.

        This is the type of comment that necessitates much further consideration–perhaps from a devil’s advocate position–and is in fact something I brought up on my discussion with John Friend a few weeks ago. Are we talking about Judaism as a culture and religion, or Zionist/Jewish nationalism, evident for example in Israeli foreign (and domestic) policy? Is there a meeting place for such a cabal to secretly meet and scheme over the destruction of White European civilization? Or is this a straw man For example, if there is such a “Jew problem,” why do so many Jews in the diaspora (as many as 50% or more today) freely choose to marry and start families with non-Jews?

        1. It stems mainly from this. Modern day khazars are trying to repair the Y chromosome by out-breeding. In India arranged marriages are to prevent birth defects. It is called the Gotra system.

          CONSANGUINEOUS MARRIAGES, KHAP PANCHAYAT PETITION TO AMEND HINDU MARRIAGE ACT, MITOCHONDRIAL DNA, GENETIC MALE LINEAGE- CAPT AJIT VADAKAYIL

          DNA geneticists used a scientific fact, that most of the male Y-chromosome is passed intact from father to son. Females do not carry the Y-chromosome. This truth known 7000 years ago to our Vedic seers, has been used to trace the paternal lineage. The geneticists used polymorph markers so that Y-chromosome can be distinguished by haplotypes.

          According to modern medical science, an inbred man or women may suffer from as many as 6000 ailments, arising out of genetic disorder linked to consanguineous marriages, starting from physical deformity, micro cephalous, lower IQ, mental retardation to kidney and liver malfunctioning and so on. But the most common diseases are Sickle-cell disease (SCD), or sickle-cell anaemia (SCA) or drepanocytosis sickle beta-plus-thalassaemia

          Like I said before, the great seer Rishis of India had created the Gotra system to ensure that inbreeding (which destroys the physical and mental faculties of their descendants) does not occur.

          These descendants had to learn Vedas by heart and pass it on for future generations . It was only in 5000 BC that the Vedas changed from oral tradition to written.

          http://ajitvadakayil.blogspot.com/2012/11/gotra-system-khap-rules-y-chromosome.html

        2. “Are we talking about Judaism as a culture and religion, or Zionist/Jewish nationalism”

          Right on James !

          This IS the difference none seem to get.

          Long story has to how, why, and who.

          Hint: The Two sticks, The Fake Fig, The Wheat and Chaff.

          I know so many REAL good friends that practice Judaism and have NO problem with Christianity.

          We are all together.

          This outside force which runs the banks and media and everything that is wrong are not my friends

          I can’t go any further.

        3. I’m in Mod again,

          But what James just said about the whole Je thing and Zio thing was so right on I could not have stated it better.

          Hopefully My comment will be freed and I can go the Promised land

        4. Just a side note Dub,

          Don’t fight with Pat,

          I consider him a friend and VERY well versed.

          We can have different opinions but 99% of all will wind up in the same place getting re-taught what we forgot here.

          Some go straight to the source, but most don’t.

          And it has nothing to do with what religion you are.

          Complicated, yes. But Simple also…..

        5. I meant you just can’t help it.

          Are you one of those guys in Junior High that would steal the lunches from the less aggressive persons?..HAHA

          I was a super passive Hippie in school and my testosterone friends loved it, Anytime anyone gave me sh$t my friends were right there beating their butts.

          It was a game for them….

          I was the “Passive Musician” all you need is love type.

        6. I wrote a comment about the spectrum of jewish reactions to surviving WWII a couple months ago and it wasn’t approved, even though it was civil and pretty evenhanded. I could add to this debate but wonder if my comment will make it past moderation.

        7. Sue, I’d like to read your comment. Can you find it and post it again? Maybe now that it’s apropos to the subject it’ll get posted. I, too, have something I’m writing for this discussion. It’s on my experience working in Jewish non-profit, so I’d love to read yours first.

          Sue, I don’t think I’ve ever thanked you for defending me here at MHB. I know you did so specifically a couple of times in my previous go-round with dublinsmick. But you’ve done so before as well. You’ve been very kind to me since I started posting here, following up my comments with,”Well, what’d everybody think about Toni’s point about (whatever)”

          It always meant a lot to me, and thanks.

        8. You answered your own question, James. There are jews and there are jews. As much as anything, people are afraid of laying the cards on the table and calling a spade a spade. We can have a jew problem without having 100% of jews involved in said problems. Intermarriage is fought tooth and nail by hard core Zionists, but the concentration of massive financial and political power will keep this core on its stated mission, conquest and domination of the world. Despite seeking money rabidly, these aggressive jews can never be sated by money. It’s a vicious manifestation, what do the great jewish authors say about it?

    2. I once had an exchange of views with you, Patrick, on your belief that ”Western Civilisation” is based on Christianity compared to my belief that the Christian cult hijacked the Hellenic basis of western civility, culture and enlightened reason…your defence of your position was so extreme, so unfounded in fact, that I gave up bothering to reply, especially after a ridiculous lecture you tried to give me in European history…

      Despite my resolve to ignore your ignorant,bigoted views in future, I find myself unable to resist responding to your latest ridiculous anti-European diatribe

      First, just a quick correction to your revisionist racist view of Islamic era Spain…. the muslims ruled Spain for 600 years.During that time the Christians and Jews could practice their religions freely and their way of life was undisturbed unless it threatened the state. When the northern Christians took over Islamic Spain, they immediately banned the practice of the muslim and jewish religions…all muslims and jews had to convert to Christianity, or be executed or leave the country. This was 1492.Hundreds of thousands of people left the only country and home they knew rather than convert
      .That same year, Columbus and his fanatical Christian backers, sailed the Atlantic and began the era of genocide of millions of native South, Central and North American native peoples in the name of Christianity and your so called western european civilisation….millions of people, whose only crime was being unaware of the Christian European death cult lost their lives. This is the Western Christian Civilisation that you bemoan the loss of?

      Now to today… as a European, I can hardly believe your question as to why we Europeans are supposedly surrendering to immigrants and inviting invasion…….have you forgotten that these people are human beings fleeing the death and destruction caused by your American wars and blood lust for global dominance (spinelessly supported or tacitly accepted by most western European governments as I freely admit) ?
      The vast majority of these ” invaders” are ordinary, non violent human beings forced from their homes, communities and regular lives by the aggression of your so called Christian western civilisation.

      Anyone with a soul, with a heart, with a sense of human decency, would want to help these refugees in their hour of need….especially as they are in this position through our governments’ actions…….. it sickens me that a so called Christian such as yourself could so completely reject your founder’s teaching to respect all peoples , to love your neighbour, to be of unselfish service to your fellow men and so on….

      Its views like yours that typify the loss of western values…not Critical Theory nor the response by Europeans to the refugees….

      1. My reply to Steven’s reply grew write long, so as a courtesy to the reader I present it in two parts. Part I:

        “I once had an exchange of views with you, Patrick, on your belief that ”Western Civilisation” is based on Christianity…”

        The exchange can be found here: http://memoryholeblog.com/2015/07/31/free-form-friday-iv/comment-page-1/ . You argued that certain events in European history disprove that the foundation Western Civilization rested on is Christianity. Here is a passage from my last reply to you, summarizing your argument, which I had earlier characterized as self-evidently stupid (you misunderstood that to mean I was calling YOU stupid, when it was just the foolish, wrong, idea in your head I was talking about):

        “They say the best rule, if you find you have dug yourself into a hole, is to stop digging. You really should stop; you’re not helping yourself, Steven. The Inquisition, the witch trials and the genocide of the Cathars are all events within Western history. So what? How does Christian leaders doing these things in any way remove the fact that Christianity is the thing that transformed Roman civilization into something new and completely different? I can’t see any actual reasoning in your argument.”

        My final paragraph in that reply sums up what I was saying:

        “But that’s the point. You think the examples you regard as depredations of true Christianity (at least that’s what I think you are saying) prove the West was not at its center Christian, when it is precisely the opposite–those examples, in other words, make MY case. They did those things because they had no choice: heresy had to be eliminated because to be true to their civilization the leaders at the time, were they not to do it, would essentially be committing treason. As I say, from the point of view of this new civilization, that makes no sense–but it made all the sense in the world, to them. Remember, the Reformation had not yet happened; the West had only one Church, and it was regarded as indistinguishable from Western civilization itself.”

        You never replied to that. You did not prove your point. I did. I stand by my understanding of history.

        Now, back to you:
        “…compared to my belief that the Christian cult hijacked the Hellenic basis of western civility, culture and enlightened reason…”

        I’m glad you say this here, in THIS context, because it is so perfectly apt. No one could express such a foolish misunderstanding prior to the 20th century. It would be impossible even to THINK it prior to the 19th century, it being so self-evidently nonsense (even the plotters of the Enlightenment overthrow off the West wouldn’t dream of talking that way). But that is what the Frankfurt School was all about, and the Frankfurt School won. Well done! A perfect exemplification.

        “…your defence of your position was so extreme, so unfounded in fact, that I gave up bothering to reply, especially after a ridiculous lecture you tried to give me in European history…”

        I leave that for those who review the original exchange to determine.

        “Despite my resolve to ignore your ignorant,bigoted views in future, I find myself unable to resist responding to your latest ridiculous anti-European diatribe”

        Not “anti-European,” Steven. In DEFENSE of Europe, and in tear-stained mourning of her intense desire to commit suicide. And if love for the historic self-defense against alien invasion Europe always used to practice is “racist,” that’s a definition of the term I can’t recognize. If you don’t think a France made up of all French people, a Wales made up only of Welshmen, a Sweden of just Swedes, etc, was a GOOD thing, that in fact the intentional, planned, destruction of these homogenous cultures is the good thing, I must say that it is YOU who win the racism title. Do you hate the idea of the world as it was, in Europe, before the socialists and social engineers ruined it? If so, do you think that Nigeria should be flooded with Chinamen and Norwegians, and be permanently transformed demographically and culturally? Maybe, the social engineers should be filling Saudi Arabia up with Mexicans (God knows, we don’t need any more, and they to sure seem to wish to flee Mexico. I’d like to see that, actually. Teach the Arabs to drink Tequila, just like the Moslems are teaching Britons to shut up about child brides and clitoridectomies. Multiculturalism should work both ways, no?

        What follows, in your reply, is a completely false (although they DO teach this drivel in school these days, sad to say), in fact wildly phantasmagorical, re-imagination of the nightmare of dhimmitude in Moslem-ruled Spain. It’s Stockholm Syndrome on the biggest scale imaginable: the savage, degrading enemy who held us captive, remembered fondly as a kind, benevolent, equal. It turns my stomach that these kind lies are taught, in perfect contrast to the facts of history, in this current time of constant Moslem aggression. And it saddens me terribly that it has become a sort of received wisdom, and that you actually believe it. Islam, it should always one borne in mind, is toxic; the peoples it conquers are ruined by it. Unbelievably, against all odds (after all, the natives in Levant and the Magreb the Arabs conquered never managed to do it), the Christians of Iberia somehow threw off their oppressors’ yoke, eventually. Every other place Christians were forced into dhimmitude, (except the Balkans), they remain groaning under it to this day. It’s simply horrible to be an infidel in a Moslem country.

        Oh, but I particularly like this fantastic piece of imagined history, so I will in fact quote it: “Columbus and his fanatical Christian backers, sailed the Atlantic and began the era of genocide of millions of native South, Central and North American native peoples in the name of Christianity and your so called western european civilization…”

        Here’s a tip, Steven: google “Montezuma.” The people the Spaniards encountered were canibals, and the tribes, a hundred thousand of whose people the Aztecs sacrificed (and ate) each year to the Sun god, and they didn’t like it; they welcomed the Spaniards as liberators. They really don’t teach history any more in England, I guess.

        “…millions of people, whose only crime was being unaware of the Christian European death cult lost their lives. This is the Western Christian Civilisation that you bemoan the loss of?”

        “Christian European death cult” Gotta love it. Hilarious!

        Liberation, Steven. You wish the sacrifices had continued? The people the Aztecs captured were dragged up a lofty ceremonial pyramid, thrust upon an altar, and priests (like Montezuma himself) plunged an obsidian knife into the sternum, reached in and pulled out the still beating heart of the victim: it was held up to the Sun, to ensure the Sun would rise the next day. They did this all day long, like an assembly line. You wish that that had never been forcibly stopped by the liberators Christ dispatched across the ocean, to rescue the innocent, Steven?

        1. I’m sorry, Patrick, but I’m laughing so much at your attempt to rewrite history and cast me , a man in my 60’s with a lifetime of historical and other research as uninformed, that I can’t put together a point by point lengthy rebuttal..
          .to slightly copy one of your cynical remarks…they clearly don’t teach real history anymore in your country….countering you point by point is pointless, your too far gone…..

          wow, the bitch Thatcher and Enoch Powell? Seriously? If I believed in your Christian hell I would rejoice in the certainty that those 2 psychos are burning merrily away for the rest of eternity..

          In an earlier post, Dublinsmick linked to an essay by a native community of original americans, dated 1977….try reading that, see if you can maybe perceive an iota of their wisdom…..

          I’m glad your enjoying yourself, truly I am, using your outdated, racist, bigoted imperialist crap, to try to persuade yourself and others that the old hierarchies were somehow superior and still can be going forward…

          You said you thought I was a Brit, not a European… yes, Im a Brit and Britain is part of Europe in every sense so Im European, I’m also a gnostic, a pagan, an admirer of Krishna and the Buddah, a human being, an Earthling, a child of the Universe, a soul having an experience in this 3D reality and one with what Mick might call the Cosmic generator….so what? Im not a label, Im a free man…
          It all comes down to how you see the future… you see value and feel nostalgia for the ”glories” of the westernised supremacy of the past few centuries… I see a gloomy,dark period where a minority of humans unjustly dominated everyone else….. you see countries, some successful, some not, some winners, some not…. I see a species who somewhat bizarrely chose to divide their only home, this planet, into 200 plus bits and then build differences and walls against each other….

          One thing Im not is a hater…so, like Montezuma( and the Christian fanatical clergy who condemned to death hundreds of thousands of innocent women and burnt them on bonfires, Aztec -like ,conveniently omitted from your account of past atrocities ) I will raise a figurative human heart to the sun god and pray to our mother, the earth goddess who nurtures us all, to forgive your foolishness…

          Please don’t reply, just decide Im a wacko and forget me, I cant spare the time to continue this
          S

        2. Anybody that has to write a book-length reply to justify their musings is guilty of dithering. Get to the point dude.

          If the Moors in Spain were so terrible, why did the Jewish race flourish when the Muslims were in charge and only when the Christians took back control did the Inquisition take place?

          The Inquisition is still with us, only now the auto-da-fe is accomplished using Christian Zionist war mongers bombing Muslims and burning them alive with the latest smart bombs.

        3. That is not far off and a subject I have looked into. There are some quotes here directly attributed to that fine upstanding Christian man Columbus. One of his first questions was “where is the gold!”

          If You Are Celebrating Columbus Day, You Missed The Boat

          For starters, did you know, the real reason Columbus was ‘sailing the ocean blue’ was because he raped the 13 year old daughter of a Spanish Duchess? They couldn’t kill him without angering the Italian court, so Queen Isabella just sent him on a mission they didn’t think he would return from. It is also ON PUBLIC RECORD that he rewarded his soldiers by giving them Native Americans to rape. At times, they would make an example of a Native by cutting his hands off and tying them around his neck, then telling him to go and ‘share the message’ with the rest of his tribe. Other times they would go and massacre an entire village, unconcerned with the age of their victims. (It’s no wonder the ‘elite’ gave him a holiday..)

          When Columbus first came ashore and was greeted by the Arawak native Americans with smiles, gifts and food, he wrote in his log:

          “They brought us parrots and balls of cotton and spears and many other things … they willingly traded everything they owned … They do not bear arms, and do not know them, for I showed them a sword, they took it by the edge and cut themselves out of ignorance. They have no iron. Their spears are made of cane … They would make fine servants … With fifty men we could subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want.”

          From the very outset Columbus was writing about conquering and enslaving the natives. Meanwhile the Arawaks, brought gifts, prepared food, and traded everything they owned.

          Columbus wrote that the natives,

          “are so naïve and so free with their possessions that no one who has not witnessed them would believe it. When you ask for something they have, they never say no. To the contrary, they offer to share with anyone.”

          He also wrote,

          “I believe that they would easily be made Christians, because it seemed to me that they had no religion.”

          https://dublinsmickdotcom.wordpress.com/2013/10/16/if-you-are-celebrating-columbus-day-you-missed-the-boat/

      2. Part II (Part I went to moderation, so my reply to Steven, if you only see this, might seem a little weird):

        “Now to today… as a European,”

        Funny. I thought you were an Englishman.

        “I can hardly believe your question as to why we Europeans are supposedly surrendering to immigrants and inviting invasion…….have you forgotten that these people are human beings…”

        No. Any more than the Russians forgot that the invading Germans were human beings, or Charles Martel did not remember that the Mohammedans trying to steal his country from the French were human. Invaders must be driven back, or killed. (Today, I’d suggest putting them on airplanes, actually, and flown back to all the different places they came from.)

        “…fleeing the death and destruction caused by your American wars and blood lust for global dominance (spinelessly supported or tacitly accepted by most western European governments as I freely admit) ?”

        Uh, no again. These pussies abandoned their women, children and old people. They are cowardly, military aged young men (80% of them are)—either that, or they are soldiers of the jihad, which I believe is closer to the fact. But if they are not jihadis intent upon Allah’s conquest to the entire world, they are cowards, who should have stayed and fought to defend their families from the jihadis back there, instead of fleeing to the cushy welfare states of Western Europe, abandoning their families to the tender mercies of the maniacs destroying their homelands.

        As for the strapping young men YOU face, the black Africans attempting to invade England on foot through the Channel Tunnel, well, you can’t blame that on “our” wars. We did not invade Sudan or Eritrea. These dudes are opportunists. They should stay home, and fix their own countries. first, of course, they will need to convert to Christianity, and abandon the cult of Allah, which caused all their troubles to begin with.

        “The vast majority of these ” invaders” are ordinary, non violent human beings forced from their homes, communities and regular lives by the aggression of your so called Christian western civilization.”

        This is so ridiculous, it’s not worth elaborating on. Suffice to say, they are hostile, military aged, predatory males (look up the rape statistics they have introduced to an innocent Europe, if you have a strong stomach), with a few woman and children added so that the photographers at the Daily Mail can tug at your post-Western heartstrings. Invite the enemy into your house at your own risk, Steven, but don’t complain to me later when, having ignored Nigel Farage (not to mention Enoch Powell), you wake up one day (soon) to find there’s no England any more, and sharia rules your life.

        “Anyone with a soul, with a heart, with a sense of human decency, would want to help these refugees in their hour of need….”

        I agree. Here’s how we do it: send them back, with a rifle and a Glock, and plenty of ammo (hold the ammo until they are safely away from the plane, and take off is assured). Tell them to kill every ISIS scumbag they encounter. Once they have ended the jihad, send an army of missionaries, each carrying dozens of native-language translations of the Bible, and convert them to Christianity, freeing them from the nightmare of the prison that is Islam, solving the problem for good.

        “…especially as they are in this position through our governments’ actions…”

        Is that a reason to commit cultural suicide—because you morons elected fools who do Washington’s evil bidding? Look in the mirror. You didn’t elect Enoch Powell, before this horror show began—and you treated Lady Thatcher like dirt, after she rescued your once grand country from ruin. It’s YOUR fault, not mine. Work with UKIP—maybe it’s not too late to turn back the tide, and clean up Westminster, although I think Thatcher was your last lucky break, and you blew it, truth be told.

        “….. it sickens me that a so called Christian such as yourself could so completely reject your founder’s teaching to respect all peoples , to love your neighbour, to be of unselfish service to your fellow men and so on….”

        One loves one’s enemy, sure. But Christianity is not a suicide pact. Handing over the keys of the house to the burglar is NOT what Jesus had in mind. These people have their own countries. Why do you want to give them YOURS? Certainly, no one should do such a foolish thing in the name of Christ. Maybe that’s how gnostics think (I notice that you agree with Mick’s pagan idolatry), but it sure ain’t Biblical reasoning. Suicide is a SIN, and we are commanded to spread the Good News (the Gospel), not submit to a satanic political system (Islam). Treating economic and political invaders as “refugees” is stupidity on the largest scale possible. Although I think the game has already been lost—which is the point of the original comment—there’s no justification for thinking surrendering to this current batch of Saracens is a GOOD thing. The West might be lost, but you don’t have to rub your own face in it. It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees, Steven. Fight back, like a good Englishman. Mrs. Miniver, and all that. Never surrender, Churchill used to say.

        “Its views like yours that typify the loss of western values…not Critical Theory nor the response by Europeans to the refugees….”

        That, too, I leave to the reader to decide.

        1. Patrick pretends this “western civilization” has been in control of it’s own destiny. I have news, it has not since Thor was persecuted by the romans.

          Yes it would be nice if most cultures stayed in their own country, at least there would be fewer problems. However let us not forget who trained the Wahabbis who are the main problem in the mideast.

          Countries like Syria, Lebanon and Iran were pretty much all inclusive with Christians living there for aeons until the west found oil in the area.

          Britain and the U.K. planted the Wahabbis in Saudi and other places to create order out of chaos.

          http://ajitvadakayil.blogspot.com/2015/04/lawrence-of-arabia-truth-exhumed-capt.html

          You know, Folker’s boys and Patrick lurves Folker and Folker lurves him.

        2. Ha ha Patrick
          You are a very pompous pumped up, ill informed man. I don’t mean that in a bad way.

          You call this pagans?

          http://ajitvadakayil.blogspot.com/2011/01/isaac-newton-calculus-thief-capt-ajit.html

          Isaac Newton stole the Newton-Gauss interpolation formula (to the second order) from the work of  Govindaswami  930 AD, of the Kerala school of Mathematics  . Govindaswami  gave the fractional parts of the Aryabhata’s tabular sines.

          The Gauss–Newton algorithm is a method used to solve non-linear least squares problems.  Newton stole the Newton Gauss Backward Interpolation formula from the works of Vateswaracharya 880 AD,  .

          Madhavan of theKerala School of Mathematics  discovered Newton Power series and the Gregory Leibnitz series for the Inverse Tangent three centuries before.  Leinnitz stole from Madhavan’s  power series for pi ..

          Nilakanta of the kerala School of Mathematics discovered Newton’s Infinite Geometric Progression convergent series.

          https://dublinsmick.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/voltaireganga.jpg

          https://dublinsmick.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/whiteheadvedanta.jpg

        3. Oh, look, dublinsmick has stolen some text and posted here as if he wrote it. He thinks he’s arguing, bless his heart.

          It’s only because he can’t put it into his own words.

        4. Yep, Mick, dhimmitude is a one fine way of living. Yassa, massah, you RIGHT, ’cause you a Musselman, missa Mahmoud! Jes’ don’ beat me to def fo’ looking’ you in the eye, an’ not jumping’ down inna da gutter when I didn’ notice you waz walkin’ towahd me on the sidewalk! I won’ do it again!

          A millenium or so of that, and people get REAL used to it.

          Europe seems like it’s just aching to find out what dhimmitude is like, as if it’s just Karl Lagerfeld’s most recent bit of offhand silliness that will be forgotten tomorrow. What a sad state of affairs–because it is permanent slavery they are signing up for. And Steven, a subject of the Crown, poor thing, can’t seem to detect the danger. Of all nations, British subjects should en mas be carrying Nigel Farage on their shoulders, reciting, along with Mrs. Thatcher:

          During the Falklands War, the Prime Minister quoted Shakespeare, from the closing words of King John:

          And we shall shock them: naught shall make us rue,
          If England to itself do rest but true.

        5. You Guys..I swear.

          Both of you in the corner for a little “Time out” period.

          Don’t make me brake my foot on your a$$.

          Nothing is real, and nothing to get hung about……

        6. ha ha, you’re right, Ric, I shall go stand in the corner…there’s nothing to get hung about..

          Strawberry Fields Forever.. lol

          After all, why should I care if Patrickchatstyrannically…its all part of the universal plan, man, as we used to say, back in the day,

          Hare Krishna

        7. Mick, Dude, I’m aware of all the evil pederasty that suffuses merry ole’ England. And Maggie’s part in it.

          That’s not the point. But obviously you know that.

          Enoch Powell tried rescue Britain from the nightmare that currently befalls her. Britain did not listen to him. By the late 70s, the country was a ruin.

          Maggie came along, and by force of sheer will, lifted up the place, and made it once again worthy of a place on the world stage. Powell is quoted as saying that she really didn’t understand what he was advocating, which is probably true, but she certainly did rescue the country from the socialism Hell the Labor party had dragged it into.

          The problem is, Labor hated England (still does), and wanted to end it. Powell, who considered leadership over India his ideal position, but never got it, said that he loves India, bur he also loves England; he wanted India to stay Indian, but he could not see why Labor wanted England to become Indian.

          If only the rest of Britain had the decency to tell Labor to piss off.

          Maggie couldn’t, in the end, rescue the country, really. The invasion of aliens was never to be stopped (and she didn’t even try, chasing the few fish she could actually fry, I suppose).

          Yes, all the high-level people are sex perverts, Mick. It’s where they draw their power, from what I hear.

          But someone has to be in charge of these countries, and Maggie definitely rescued Britain from the death spiral it was in. Could Nigel Farage do as much as Maggie did, were he to become PM? I think that too many Britons are like Steven, who no longer even holds to the eternal truth that England is not in “Europe,” for even a Nigel Farage Prime Ministership to be able to rescue the country. I, as I said earlier, weep bitter tears when I consider the sad suicide of the auld sod.

          Nigel, randomly chosen, typically great. Poor souls like Steven ,who don’t love their heritage, sadly, can’t cheer this obvious truth:

          [youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNr3fXXK92s&w=560&h=315%5D

        8. I don’t know if its just me because I don’t have a degree in English.

          I do have a Degree in Common Sense and Street Smarts that can’t be bought for any amount at any Ivy League Institution.

          But Longs Rants are hard to follow. You Guys in your “little” war should make it short and Concise.

          These 4 page PDF rants lose the “Jest” of what your trying to say in my opinion. Too many different subjects and POV’s to address without another 4 page rant….

          Get Me or am I just stupid because I didn’t spend $400K at Yale?

        9. Hey Ric

          If you’re ( partly) referring to my over long replies… I apologise, you’re right, they lose focus..no more, I concede the field to Patrickchatsludicrously….

          I am an over educated ”Yale” type, though my top British university education back in the 60’s was free, cos we are just a bunch of socialists over here… lol

          As my old guru, His Divine Grace AC Bakhtivedanta Swami Prabuphada used to say… why don’t we all just be….. everything you see…its just an illusion

          All Glories to Sri Krishna

          Have a laid back day

          S

        10. Wow Steven,

          I don’t why or how your totally just sold on Hinduism but all are the same path to God.

          Let me tell you a story that has been a big part of my life.
          Bear with me.

          My house burned down in 2005 and I put a trailer in my backyard to protect my house and belongings from crooks. So, I sat there all alone in a scary situation.

          I’m a hard core Christian spiritual person and have studied all my life. Not as a Super preacher what a be..Touch the TV Screen..I’ve got water from the Sea of Galilee idiots but a true person.

          I was sitting there one night by my fire pit and all off a sudden the fire jumped out of the pit. No Wind. And started circling my legs… I was shocked.

          I looked up and Krishna manifested himself to me. I was thrown back but not too scared.

          I calmly went into my Temp. trailer and pondered. Why?

          The message God sent me was We are all one.

          The next day I sat there in the morning. A friend came to visit and witnessed this.

          A squirrel jumped on that same fire pit and started screaming at me. He then jumped off the fire pit and started running around my legs like the fire did. My Friend was dumbfounded and floored.

          This is God……………….

        11. Hey Ric.

          Sorry for the delay..I’m in England so 6 or 9 hours ahead of you…I’m sleeping while you guys are posting through the evening…I’m now around 40 posts behind!

          Its interesting you saw Lord Krishna ( rather than a Christian figure, you being a Christian) but I would agree that any authentically out-of-this-world experience like you had does lead to an understanding that we are all one…..and that there is a lot going on here, beyond the capacity of our five senses to perceive….
          I’ve had many such experiences myself….one thing I’ve been shown is that its always right to refuse to hate and I practice that, even though the dumbness of some others makes it difficult at times…..like the unbridled,irrational hatred of all jews by dublinsmick, though I enjoyed Toni’s intelligent challenges to him that I’ve just read through…

          I strongly recommend to you ( and everyone) a blog called Phantoms and Monsters…get the free daily newsletter….its a simple format…ordinary people post their extraordinary experiences….it puts all that we discuss on here into a different perspective….

          BTW, was he blue? Can you add any more detail?

          S

        12. Ric
          Hinduism simply means the search for truth. That is all end of story. Who can be against that? It doesn’t mean hey I found it, it is right here in this book at walmart and if you defer, you will taste the fire.

          The search for truth is ongoing, it is personal with every sentient being, it goes on forever.

        13. On a side note..
          My Wife just ordered the Hallmark Channel for the holidays….

          I’m Screwed….

        14. Right on Dub.

          Maybe thats why God did what he did to me?

          It doesn’t change my faith, It just confers I’m on the right path and that’s what we are ALL to do do. Am I right?

          How can anybody be right if everybody is wrong?

          Peace

        15. Ric

          That is the nicest thing you have ever said to me.

          In the search for truth everybody is an arsehole, except those who can sift truth from falsehood.

          Those who represent an ideal beyond the comprehension of the masses must face the persecution of the unthinking multitude who are without the divine idealism which inspires progress and those rational faculties which unerringly sift truth from falsehood.”

        16. Dublinsmick,
          Do you ever post anything here that you’ve written yourself?

          Let me quote both dublinsmick and the, what is it?, oh yeah, “The Mysteries and Their Emissaries”

          “Those who represent an ideal beyond the comprehension of the masses must face the persecution of the unthinking multitude who are without that divine idealism which inspires progress and those rational faculties which unerringly sift truth from falsehood.”

          The next line from this compendium of divine knowledge is:

          “The lot of the Initiate-Teacher is therefore almost invariably an unhappy one.”

          Dublinsmick thinks of himself as an Initiate teacher.

          On top of that, he claims his knowledge descends through Albert Pike!

          Dublinsmick, I don’t really care what it is you believe. But you have to stop acting like posting links and copied text is actually communicating.

          If you can’t come up with a response that articulates spontaneously what it is you think, then you haven’t really absorbed the knowledge you think you’re imparting.

          I being kind here.

        17. Dub,
          You are a unique character. A breath of fresh air in this confined world of thoughts.

          I laugh, and it feels good. We all need laughter and fun in this sh&t hole.

        18. I hope I wasn’t out of line. I teased Lophatt wondering where he was tonight.

          I hope all is good..Lophatt.

        19. Ric,
          Remember lophatt said his posts were disappearing? I think mine might be starting to do that. One looks like it’s there (not in moderation), but it’s not in the “Recent Comments” and nobody’s responded to it. It was a comment to dublinsmick; did you see it?

          Can you see this comment and would you reply if so? Thanks.

        20. Oh, nevermind. I think I see it in the recent comments now.

          Maybe his disappearing posts are keeping lophatt away. I was about ready to freak out myself.

        21. Toni moves in and challenges Dub.

          This thread is so long who knows where this land.

          Don’t mess with Toni. She’s very smart and has my Full respect. I really mean that Toni.

        22. I did Toni. Do you think there is something wrong? This thread is way too long, Do think something more sinister?

          There’s no way James is protecting Dub..haha

          WordPress?

        23. Yes, I do think it’s James. He’s messing with our minds! lol

          No, I think it’s probably a software glitch.

          Still, it wouldn’t be imprudent to checkout who wordpress is hooked up with.

        24. Mick says,
          “Do you deny me the entrance to heaven”

          Go where you want. Just try to think for yourself along the way.

        25. And Toni since you broach the subject I have never found you very interesting either, somewhat shallow, vacuous and vague, more ego than substance, and all to often willing to dismiss theories and opinions you do not even understand.

          I often offer my own opinions here as well as provide links when when it is not advisable to leave long running comments. It all falls under learn from each other, which you seem to have a problem with.

          Your arrogance is only exceeded by your overwhelming ego.

          Toni

          “Do you ever post anything here that you’ve written yourself?”

        26. Oh, dublinsmick, you’re back with your ridicule. That’s enlightening. This is your default when you’re challenged.

          Yes, you’ve told me before how you’re so over my head. I’m just shivering down here in the shadow of your towering intellect. Or is that your ego, or some other self-stimulated part of your anatomy?

          .
          What is it with the guys around here? You show ‘em a little of their own bravado and they break just like little girls.

        27. I just got up here in England, many hours ahead of you all and read through the 40 odd posts I missed….

          I had to respond to this one….lol…great post Toni, I’ve been wondering for a while how to respond to dublinsmick’s more outrageous ( and mostly copied) comments, and whether it was worth the effort… but you just nailed it…..

          love and peace S

        28. Thank you, Steven. Mick’s been begging for it.

          So cool to have someone across the water chiming in. Don’t let the derision aimed at you keep you away.

        29. “I’m sorry, Ric, but if I don’t stand up for myself, who will?”

          Toni some people actually appreciate detailed analysis with links and facts to back up a point being made, others are more comfortable with one liners.

          Patrick seems to prefer links, as was the case with a discussion of the guillotine.

          In the unlikely event I respond to you in the future, I will try and make very brief and superficial.

        30. Mick says, “some people actually appreciate detailed analysis with links and facts to back up a point being made, others are more comfortable with one liners.”

          Yes, we all do. Please provide some.

          You post other people’s analysis. Not your own.

        31. “I concede the field to Patrickchatsludicrously….”

          I am giving Steven a 10 on that one.

          “Do you ever post anything here that you’ve written yourself?”

          Toni there are many judicious researchers out there, some just save me the trouble. In your own words could you please explain history to us?

      3. I know this is probably already going to be answered by someone else, but I can’t wait for mod to loose the dogs of war. My question being: Was the Moorish invasion of the Iberian peninsula a completely peaceful affair? No conquest, no bloodshed, no spoil taken? Were the Jews and Christians not living there in peace before the hordes invaded. The invaders brought no women with them, therefore I’m sure the ladies of Spain just threw themselves at them, or were the invaders celibate? Did not the invaders keep the Christians and Jews for the tax base, and expel and/or kill the rest who did not convert? I cannot deny the Moors brought some good science and technology with them, but they weren’t better than any other conqueror.

        World history is all conquest and death. It’s a pity we never got past it; or at least the psychos we call leaders never got past it. Steven, you live in a politically correct prison that was forced on you, and I would bet you are forcing it on others.

        1. Rich;
          of course the Moors were invaders and did what all conquerors do…I was just saying that when things settled down, they tolerated the Christians and jews…..not just in Spain, but in all the middle eastern countries too….. there happens to be a major exhibition at a London museum right now evidencing and displaying how muslims, jews and christians lived and worked alongside each other for over a thousand years in Egypt throughout the muslim period…..

          A politically correct prison really? Im the least politically correct person I know…I’m just an old 60’s countercultural radical anarchist or, possibly, a daydreamin’ old hippy, take your pick…

        2. Who owns that museum Steven? That is almost like saying “I saw it on TV, so it must be true”. Museums have been known to host fakes throughout recent history. Piltdown Man, Archeopteryx, to name a few. Heck, they even just started changing how dinosaurs actually stood. Turns out they actually walked like the lizards of today, as opposed to the upright orientation of Godzilla in those cheesy old movies. Regardless, I wish your country luck as it faces a new invasion. I was stationed there for two years back in the early 90’s, and truly love the place, and people.

        3. Rich…

          Thanks for your comment….the museum I referred to is The British Museum, widely regarded as one of the greatest…if not the greatest…museum on Earth…

          The Exhibition is called Egypt.. Faith After The Pharaohs…

          It has collected objects, documents and artefacts from all over the world…. starting from the death of Cleopatra in 30BC, continuing through the pagan Roman colonisation, then the Christian Roman era, then the Islamic period through to modern times….

          It seeks to demonstrate that ordinary people, of all faiths and none, lived, worked, raised families, side by side with neighbours who held different traditions, faiths, cultural backgrounds etc to themselves….

          Yes, you can say who owns the Museum, or, probably more pointedly, who dreamt up this theme for the Exhibition…. but there are more than 200 artefacts and thousands of documents, all seeking to demonstrate the proposition that whoever our rulers are, at whatever time and in whatever circumstances…we, the ordinary people, live alongside and try to co exist with our neighbours, friends and strangers

          At a time when we are so strongly affected by divisions between traditional communities and ”newcomers”, it tries to remind us that blind fear of co existence shouldn’t drive us …. instead its timely to remember that in multi ethnic places like Egypt we lived collectively over millennia , not always in perfect harmony, obviously, but mostly the ordinary people just got on with the ordinary business of living…

          I read about it in The Times, a British newspaper and I’m sure you can find the article online…its fascinating IMO….

        4. But Steven, don’t you think there’s a difference between organic migration/integration (even if said migration leads to a unique, third culture), and forced, weaponized migration? That’s what I think is happening to Western countries.

          Are you familiar with Agenda 21? Humans are merely “human resources”, to be redistributed just like any other resource. This forced blending of cultures keeps everyone traumatized and off-balance.

          I think Patrick hits the nail on the head when he points out that no one is immigrating to, say, Saudi Arabia or Mexico…just Western/(historically) Christian countries.

          We common folk will ultimately manage to get along, maybe even peaceably, but that doesn’t mean it’s “progress”. We’re being devolved, my friend.

        5. Hello Recynd…

          Thanks for your comment…but you misunderstood me…I was responding to an historical point…the occupation of southern Spain by the Moors and how it affected the indigenous population…..The British Museum exhibit on how ordinary people from different religions and cultural traditions co existed throughout the past Millenia, in Egypt, was a useful example of how ( I believe) ordinary people will get along no matter who the ruling class or majority culture of the day happen to be…

          I wasn’t referencing where we are today, with the current influx of refugees….although if you want my view on that? I’m a Brit and we have a long tradition of taking in the victims of violence and dispossession..we have been doing that for centuries…
          protestants from catholic Europe, Jews from Eastern Europe, Indians and Pakistanis and Bangladeshis from our former colonies, Jamaicans and other Caribbean peoples, all sorts of Africans and so on…
          call me a hopeless idealist, but I believe all these people have enriched my country, not diminished it…. your country, of course, has a similar tradition, your all relatively recent immigrants ( recent compared to Brit/European societies) and the most recent wave, I believe, are Asians, so not white Europeans but totally different ethnicities…..

          weaponised you say? If so, if its all a grand plot by the Elite to destabilise, unnerve, stress out the established social groups, to ”traumatize” us and keep us ”off balance”, then I believe it will backfire on them……most of these new immigrants will value their new found liberties and join with us in opposing the tyrannising efforts of the globalist elite..and will be beside us when it comes down to the final battles between freedom and tyranny…..I guess we shall see…..

          oh, and the refugees don’t go to Saudi Arabia and the other gulf states because those countries have refused immigrants….they are scared they would disrupt their fragile grip on their populace enforced by cruelty and fear…I hope you would agree that we in the West shouldn’t share the mediaeval values and fears of the Saudis…we are better than that..

        6. When Mohammed’s hoards invaded Egypt, which was a Christian land, they cut out the tongues of everyone they heard speaking the native language–everyone had to start learning Arabic (the only way the language survived was monks in remote monasteries went undetected). I hope the “major exhibition at a London museum ” does not fail to include that spicy slice of “how muslims, jews and christians lived and worked alongside each other.”

          Dhimmitude is a living hell. It’s often described as “second class citizenship” for infidels, but dhimmies are really treated more like sub-humans, whom any Moslem can kill at any time, with impunity.

          When Mohammedans conquer a country, “people of the book,” that is Christians and Jews, are offered three choices: convert to Islam, and be a fully equal member of the Ummah; accept dimmitude and pay the jizya (a burdensome tax for being allowed to stay alive); or be killed. No other religions are offered the dhimmitude option.

          Only 10% of Egyptians today are Christians (the Copts), and they suffer the most unspeakable persecution.

          Here’s a fun fact: 90% of Egyptian women have their genitals sliced off in childhood! Guess which 10% don’t!

          Islam is a mental illness, and this Western obsession with candy-coating it is disgusting. These people need to be rescued from that ideological prison, not coddled and assured that it’s something noble.

        7. Hi Steven, thanks for your reply.

          I did want you to know I received your reply and appreciated it. The topic of immigration is too vast to hash out in these unreliable WordPress comment boxes. Let’s just say that while you are a “hopeless idealist” (your words), I am a pessimist and a realist. However, I do hope you’re right and I’m wrong, but I doubt it…I can see how populations are being manipulated by TPTB. While the very poorest among us may benefit to a small degree in the long run, the great majority of us will not. The very richest of us will always be rich (not in the end, of course, but up until the very end); they are the ones pulling the strings.

          The rest of us do our best to live with it.

        8. Hi Recynd,

          Thanks for taking the time to reply….. I’m in Britain so didn’t see your post till this morning, my time…

          I do agree with most of what you say…. I would only add that the manipulation of populations by the TPTB is not their prime objective…as we know, that objective is a global domination, a one world order, where the much reduced 99% serve as work and debt slaves to the one percent with little or no personal freedoms or liberty of thought or action…

          So, because the destabilising effect of refugee movements is only a secondary effect that they hope will work in their favour, I think I can hope, with at least a touch of realism on top of my admitted idealism, that it may backfire on them….

          here’s just one example… when our( British) government stated that we would take in 20,000 refugees over 5 years ( a pathetically tiny number)….tens of thousands of ordinary British people went on social media declaring that they wished to offer a room in their own homes to the refugees…it was a knee jerk compassionate reaction to the cruelty of the State….. the government had to invent a new ” health and safety” rule out of nowhere saying that refugees were only allowed to stay in self contained accommodation… to avoid submitting to the will of the people…the government looked stupid and it was a tiny but significant act of rebellion against TPTB…..it showed them to be the sociopathic evildoers that they are… and woke up a lot of people from their usual apathy….

          who knows eh? From tiny seeds, a tree of protest and civil disobedience may grow…..

          I was a big supporter and contributor to the counterculture protest movements in the 60’s and I still hope, all these decades later, that somehow we can push back the tyranny that threatens us all and reclaim our planet and our species from the psychos….oh dear, sounding like a hopeless idealist again..lol

      4. So the answer is to turn the other cheek and let gangstas destroy this nation, Europe, etc? Tell us, please, about Obama’s heartwarming love and affection he shows toward this unidentifiable people who are flooding the White European areas of habitation. You don’t even know who these people are, remember the Cuban gangstas Jimmy Carter let in the US during his soiree as president? Young men between 19-25 from Muslim countries don’t strike me as the way to improve this country one iota. To hear you lecture Patrick on his selfishness is really, really rich. Tell us, friend, where do you get off?

        1. “So the answer is to turn the other cheek and let gangstas destroy this nation, Europe, etc?”

          Yep Gil, that’s the plan and via PC correctness it’s working perfectly for these devils.

          The EU or at least Germany is done.

          O’ Taliban has a Huge influx planned here in the name of sweetness….

          The media will support it and the masses will accept it.

    3. I would say the end was near when Constantine killed off the Vedic priests in the vatican and then went on to wipe out the nature religions of the Germanics and the Celts by the sword.

      It took another downward turn when Bertha Bigfoot and Charlemagne killed off the last of the Merovingians and began covering up their genetic history.

      Thus began the end of Gnosticism, recognition of the eternal vibration of the cosmic generator, and the triumph of cracking bread and drinking grape juice in the pulpits while listening to charlatans who planned a worldwide slave colony, crusades, colonization, top down representation on a global scale all managed by the eternal victims.

      1. dublinsmick:
        My previous comment, at this moment still in moderation, is a longer and less precise version of your comment, so of course I agree with your analysis completely, except, perhaps, to say that some of us still strive to resonate with the gnostic vibration and see ourselves as an inherent part of nature rather than an egocentric exception to it as per the warped ideology of the so called” western Christian civilisation”…..

        1. No not at all it is based on ancient manuscripts, many have been distorted. Much of it is taken from Vedic civilization.

          In fact it is attributed to Jesus as mentioning his father in heaven etc. What other source could it be other than the eternal sound that holds all matter together? For anyone who has looked into it, Dr. Paul LaViolette proves this scientifically. It is the sound of light and we live in an electrical universe. When you split the atom you get light. It is what native Amercan shamans call the great white spirit, they could see it.

          The OM was lifted by Constantine and became amen and shalom. Sarawasti became Sarah and so on.

          Jesus was in communion with the cosmic generator, as a few others were such as Cayce. Others have been, Sidhartha, Krishna, Rasputin, Tecumseh. etc.

          To believe that trillions of people were not “saved” whatever that means before Jesus and trillions afterward, simply because they did not know the doctrine of the church is highly irrational.

          The capt explains it pretty well here.

          http://ajitvadakayil.blogspot.com/2014/03/beej-mantra-anuswaram-nasal-sound.html

        2. To believe that trillions of people were not “saved” whatever that means before Jesus and trillions afterward, simply because they did not know the doctrine of the church is highly irrational. – Mick

          Exactly, being saved has nothing to do with church “doctrine” and everything to do with scripture. I was showed some scripture by a friend who got me interested in this topic. The Bible is full of scripture that says God will save everyone, from the beginning to the end. My search led me to the site below. My thanks to the person who got me looking for this. You have to first ask yourself- why would God create a world of eternal losers? Next you have to ask – does God get what he wants. I should hope so.

          http://www.tentmaker.org/books/ScripturalProofs.html

        3. Rich,
          Your on the right path. I’m not going to get into this but Gods Plan is sooo much bigger than most think and it includes all of his children regardless of race or creed or even if you believe in a God.

          When this world age transforms in the spiritual all will remember the past. And all have a fair shot.

          I’ll end it there

      2. I really like ‘the eternal vibrations of the cosmic generator.’ I used to know an artist who yelled at me “Listen to the Higher Vibrations” before he was hospitalized. But I never did. Maybe I should have.

        Is it your view that Charlemagne was a Jew on the basis that the Christian religious is in some way basically Jewish?

        1. Haha,
          We’re all Bozo’s on this Bus, and if you know what I’m saying and who I am quoting you must be old..

          Fireside Theater ’70’s circa

      3. Mick,
        Do you dismiss the Bible in its entirety because of the grape juice drinking, bread cracking hijackers in fish hats? Have you seen the vibrating cosmic generator, or do you just know it’s there, you know, take it on faith? There is no need.
        I can tell you this; the vibrating cosmic generator is lime green, has two wheels, and lives in my garage, and it says KAWASAKI on it. Sometimes its vibrations are so great, I think my butt has left this world, and entered the fifth density. HA!

        1. Mick, just one more quick one. When someone raises their kundalini(I remember him from the first Mad Max movie-just jokin. remember? kundalini wants his hand back!), how do you know? Is it because they told you? Or can you actually see it? I don’t think this is too much to ask?

        2. Mod again.

          I guess when your 56 years old you a snot nosed Democrat to preview your comment…..Puck

    4. Patrick, Patrick
      Nuclear power plants, peeing in your own drinking water, emptying sludge in it, spraying chemtrails, pimping vaccines, GMO etc all under the foreign influence of Gates, Soros and Monsanto is civilizational suicide, all under the Abrahamic influence of …. you guessed it.

    5. Hey, Patrick,
      I’d forgotten about Walsh’s new book “The Devil’s Pleasure Palace: The Cult of Critical Theory and the Subversion of the West,” (so much to read!) so thanks for mentioning it. In researching it a little, I learned he uses Milton’s “Paradise Lost” as one of the prisms through which he builds his thesis in the book.

      Have you ever read it, “Paradise Lost,” I mean? I think it might be right up your alley.

      Milton, as you may already know, was a major defender of free speech and the inviolability of conscience. He’d be a hero to everyone here at MHB if they knew him. Well, maybe not folktruther, but I bet even dublinsmick would agree, if Capt. Ajit said it first. (heh)

      Anyway, I know you’re a reader, and it’s a rollicking good tale of the battle of good and evil, with a compelling secondary-line love story!

      I think you would dig it.

      1. Patrick,
        What I forgot to underscore about Paradise Lost is that I think you’d be able to understand it better than most people, and get more out of it, given your areas of interest. It might be useful to you.

        1. I’m very grateful for that advice, Toni. Everyone references it, of course, so I have always felt a fool for not having made it a priority. Years pass, and the shelves of unread/must be read books groan under their weight.

          But encouragement can push an old book to the front of the pile.

          Thanks.

        2. You’re welcome, Patrick. Yes, the backlog of books continues to grow! What will we do?

          I think the last day of youth must be the day you realize that you will never be able to read everything you want to.

      2. I thought of you, Toni, when I posted the review, as it’s one of your topics. You even mentioned once that you were considering submitting an article about Critical Theory for James to publish at MHB. Perhaps you can use this book as a launching point and then summarize your own research.

        It’s a very valuable thing to understand, because, as I said in my initial remarks, it explains a lot of otherwise inexplicable behavior in what used to be the West. Paradise Lost, indeed. Such a book could not be written today, much less be regarded as a core document of our civilization and remain front and center of the thought-life of our people, for centuries.

        I wouldn’t be surprised if some readers suspect that Steven, my correspondent here, is paid by me to illustrate my thesis, as he does it so effortlessly. The leaders of all Western countries are systematically destroying the places they are supposed to maintain, and for the most part the people who put those destroyers in office don’t care, or, like Steven, heartily approve of their treachery. Note the intensity of his reaction, when presented with what would have been simple common sense a century ago (and going back centuries before), as an explanation of what’s going on. One gets the feeling that he needed to keep a rag handy to keep the build-up of spittle from obscuring his computer screen.

        Why the anger? Because what used to be eternal verities are, in this new civilization, despicable prejudices. If these people are not careful, incidentally, everyone will soon laugh as merrily as we do when they use the word “racism” to describe anything that does not conform to the new civilizational Mind. Pointing out the grandness of what we have lost produces an immediate, incoherent, lashing out, and the stuttering can only be stifled by repeating the soothing mantra: “you are a vile, despicable, racist.” That calms them right down.

        It validates my argument so perfectly because those who have embraced the Mind of this new civilization–or at least revel in the ending of Western Civilization–feel an urgency to see the last cultural vestiges of the West expunged. That the thing that fills the vacuum is often simply horrible does not bother them at all, because to their thinking ANYTHING must be better than a culture that would produce and cherish “Paradise Lost.” Child brides? That’s just their culture. A vast network of “groomers” of young infidel girls for sexual slavery, protected by the police? Moslem boys will be boys. Clitoridectomies? If you object, you’re obviously a “racist.”

        David Goldman, even more so than Mark Steyn, is a demographics obsessive; his premise is that when civilizations die, they lose their belief in the future–which manifests in the refusal to produce a new generation. His recent article on the subject is titled “Why not leave Germany to the migrants?” (http://atimes.com/2015/09/why-not-leave-germany-to-the-migrants/). He sums it up in his concluding paragraph:

        “To declare that semi-literate Arab refugees do not meet the cultural qualifications for integration into German society implies that there is a cultural standard to begin with. That is a concept that most Germans (evidently including Chancellor Angela Merkel) cannot bear to pronounce. One suspects that Germans have so few children because they do not like themselves, their history or their culture to begin with. In that case, why should they require anyone else to adhere to a cultural standard they eschew themselves? And if they dislike their culture so much as to head towards extinction, does it matter to them that another culture–brutal as it might be–will replace theirs?”

        1. Alright Patrick that’s enough of your poisonous diatribe against me, don’t you think?
          Your last post was addressed and directed at Toni, yet you kept referring to me as some kind of example of whatever you think typifies an unacceptable opposing opinion to your world view….

          Throughout that post you implied that I held views and beliefs that I have never, in fact, expressed and then proceeded to sneer at them…..in my view that’s a cheap, phony way to debate….you can’t justify your own position without inventing your opponent’s position and decrying it…I’m sorry but that’s pathetic…

          You then answered Rich’s question about the Muslim occupation in Spain, by talking about the muslim occupation of Egypt which was of course effected by different people in a different century…. but hey who cares about facts, right?

          Then you ignored Greg Bacon’s comment about how the jews and Christians flourished in southern Spain under the Muslims and how the jews and allegedly heretical Christians were subject to persecution and sickening torture by the catholic hierarchy during the epoch of the Inquisition…..

          Then you finished by singing the praises of Paradise Lost, a book you claim is at ” the front and centre of the thought life of our people”’ apparently forgetting that you admitted in a previous post you had never read it….. that tells me a lot about how you approach your discourse…..

          Just to be clear…my original and ongoing issue with you solely concerned your view that Christianity has been a force for good and has played a central role in shaping what you see as the splendour of ” western civilisation”…. I see its influence as pernicious and one of the instruments of oppression against the vast majority of ordinary people by a tiny ruling elite of psychopathic wannabe controllers…. that’s it, all the other views you impute to me, about muslims, about Islam, about current affairs and public policy in western countries and on and on are purely your paranoia, in your head ….

          When I pointed out to you that the invasion of the Americas by the western European Christians resulted in the deaths and genocide of millions of people( including 10 million natives of your country according to a recent revised estimate I read ), you justified those atrocities by saying Montezuma was a cannibal and his tribe murdered their local opponents……. apparently, in your mind, that excused the invaders committing genocide and stealing the wealth of their victims and, of course, bringing two thousand years of their culture to an end…..urged on, every step of the way, by the Christian clergy…..

          I have no interest in debating with you further….we live on different planets….but, once again, stop referring to me in your replies to others…that’s inappropriate, to put it as politely as I can…and I don’t want to have to read every post you make to see if your taking my name in vain….fight your own corner, leave me out of it…

        2. Sometimes the “racist” epithet is used to stop discourse.

          Sometimes it covers up a lot of nuance, and becomes where “beauty goes unrecognized.”

          And sometimes, as you describe it, yelling “racist” is like sticking your fingers in your ears when you don’t hear something. It becomes self-censorship.

        3. Patrick,
          I also wanted to comment on your observation that Paradise Lost is indeed lost “as a core document of our civilization,” one that “remain(ed) front and center of the thought-life of our people, for centuries.”

          My point, obvious to most here, is that the subversion of Western Civilization (I can only speak to the US) was accomplished through dumbed-down compulsory education at the hands of the state.

          100 years later and there are few people who could even read Paradise Lost, let alone excavate its layers of meaning or understand Milton’s context.

          For those few who haven’t read it already, Gatto’s “An Underground History of American Education” lays out the long chronicle of forced schooling in this country.

        4. Dude. Calm down. Read the Bible. Take in a Shakespeare play. Listen to an Elgar performance, or watch My Fair Lady on the telly. Dial up on YouTube an Enoch Powell speech (I recommend the one called “Rivers of Blood”). Do SOMETHING, dammit. You need to lower your blood pressure, and I’d advise the restorative of good old traditional Englishness. Cup of tea and cakes, by the fireside. There’s a good chap.

  8. Here is some good news for a change.

    Edgar Cayce is one of the world’s most revered psychics, the ‘Sleeping Prophet,’ as they called him, and many consider him to be the father of holistic medicine. Entering into trance-like states of consciousness at will, he could divine information from some extra-ordinary plane of existence on behalf of his patients or in response to specific queries from an audience. He was remarkably insightful and accurate, which is why his name is so familiar to so many.

    Much of what he brought back from the ‘Source’ of his inspired information pertained to specific medical issues, but in the staggering volumes of his readings and written works there is an abundance of insight and prophecy related to larger global political and social events.

    In a series of what he called ‘World Affairs Readings,’ Cayce made many remarkable statements about the future of world finance, world leadership, collective spirituality, and interestingly the role that somehow Russia was to play as a force of right in the coming global turmoil that we see unfolding before our eyes today.

    http://www.wakingtimes.com/2015/10/16/80-years-ago-edgar-cayce-predicted-putins-role-in-stopping-ww3/

  9. 60% don’t believe or trust maintream media – yes! Awakening.

    “Gallup released the results of their latest poll on the trustworthiness of the mainstream media last month, revealing that just four in ten of those surveyed — a random cross-section of adults from all 50 states and the District of Columbia — trust the media. Only 33 percent say they have a “fair amount” of trust in the media, and a mere 7 percent reported having a “great deal” of trust.”

    More at: http://www.mintpressnews.com/poll-60-of-americans-dont-trust-the-mainstream-media/210337/

      1. 60% of people here don’t trust you and 33% don’t believe your real name is Mick..

        I’m kidding Dub….Haha.

        Just having Fun

        Let’s Burn this Bit$h down

        It’s been a rough week here…

  10. Lophatt,

    Did your Mommy (Wife) say you can’t play today and is forcing you to watch the Hallmark Channel as mine is unsuccessfully trying to do?

    Maybe the HGTV channel….We are sending a car..just jump in and tell her you are part of an elite CIA squad…..they love that sh&t

    1. No, up until today my comments simply…….disappeared! There they were, I hit the button……poof!, gone.

      So I’ve read the Punch and Judy show. I tend to stay out of those. I am not trying to get anyone to agree or cry “uncle”.

      I don’t like personalized attacks. I also don’t like it when people try to be “judge”. Nobody here is obligated to “convince” anyone.

      Believe it or not, a lot of what I read here I don’t agree with. Sometimes I do. Most often they get the information right but come to the wrong conclusion.

      When its civil, its fun. When its not, its not. If its a competition I’ll sit it out. Who needs it?

      1. Right On !

        In 2014 the same thing was happening to me.

        For 3-months, every time I commented it would just disappear before my eyes in real time. I figured I was not wanted here.

        I personally emailed Mr. Tracy and asked “what have I done”.

        He emailed me back and said he didn’t know.

        I’ve been here since.

        I have no clue except maybe the Lizard people who hide in the infrared light (4th dimension) may have something to do with it…

        Of course I jest…I feel I must clarify.

        1. That was meant for lophatt, because I’m not afraid to address him directly instead of in a side-post like he’s done.

        2. As Reagan said,
          There you go again.

          WTF?????????????

          Toni, you attacking Lohatt?

          I think Lopatt is pretty intellectual. ??

          I’m lost. Whats Up?

        3. You are a very aggressive person. Now it appears you think that you are the judge of who is an “intellectual”? I have actually been kind to you, no reason not to be.

          Every once in a while you swoop in like a bat from Hell calling people names and hurling insults. I’m not trying to gain your favor. Everyone here is not your pet monkey.

          I don’t even know what you’re talking about in this instance. If I wanted to address the great you, I’d do so. You should take up wrestling or buy an island to rule.

        4. Hi Lophatt
          I have experienced quite a few problems with google blogs. There are some I posted on for years and now days comments simply disappear. Some I have the email adress of the person hosting the blog and they tell me they have no idea where the comments go. So it is not always the blog administrator behind this. It is a clever way of making people lose interest. They assume it is the administrator and many times it is not.

        5. Mick, I suppose. It works! I tried to reply to Steven three times, it worked for others. Weird!

  11. This is destroying us..

    Dub..Mick. STOP.

    I like you and we have fun talking. but attacking my friends of 3 years is unacceptable.

    We have been thru Sandy Hook to Now,

    I think you have something to offer but not this. I have my beliefs and everyone has theirs. No One Owns GOD or what is Right.

    Be a part of this community and let us grow together.

    No one has ALL the Answers only God himself…

    We are ALL on the road to find out and NO one is better ….I will leave it there.

    This is for All and Not Directed at Dub.

    Tempt Our Lord at your own Discretion..
    Have fun with that.
    I don’t care what you believe or religion you belong to or Not!
    I will not Dare…………….

        1. There was no debate. But I’m not surprised you didn’t know that.

          My point is that you can’t copy and paste somebody else’s stuff into a comment and expect it to stand in as your own argument.

          That, and you’re fast and loose with attributions to the stuff you cut and paste. Almost like you’re hoping someone will think it’s you.

        1. Yeah, I’m shilling for Rome when I’m trying to get Patrick to read Paradise Lost.

          As you’ve copied from someone else into your blog, and I quote them/you:
          “The BELL is not of symbol of liberty – but it is in truth a symbol of enslavement! When a young boy child is naked on his hands and knees and about to get anally accosted by a Priest or Practitioner of Dark Magic – the view of his genitals from behind make the exact shape of a Bell!”

          You can believe that, if you want. That’s fine. But when I question it, you clam up. You don’t defend it. I did you the courtesy of reading that extended speculation that you referred me to, and even watched the movie, and I posted a response. You didn’t bother to answer. Yet you bring it up now. That was in July, and you only brought it up now.

          And then, only to direct me to the same link you sent me to last July!

          This is not persuasion. You have made no argument. You have provided a link. I’m supposed to read it and guess what you think about it. When I ask you, you deride me. But you got nothing. You been shilling this stuff for years, looks like, and you still can’t articulate it.

          Come on, Mick, give us a quick gloss of The Brotherhood of the Bell.

          You can’t.

        2. Dub,
          Just a side note.

          Did you know the Liberals are suing the guy who owns that picture you posted of the Monkey or whatever it is , saying the Ape pushed the camera button so the Ape owns the “Copyrights” to that Picture..

          Whats worse: Liberals or Islam..I’m at a loss. Then end result is the same.

  12. “Dub,
    You are a unique character. A breath of fresh air in this confined world of thoughts.

    I laugh, and it feels good. We all need laughter and fun in this sh&t hole.”

    Wise words Ric

    Things are so skewed you have to laugh. Stick with me Rick!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  13. Oregon Hero in the News Again

    I am recovering well and thank everyone for their thoughts and prayers. [HE FORGOT AND MONEY SENT TO HIM – AT LEAST ONE MILLION BY NOW. He’s also thankful the other Chris did not shoot him in the face and ruin his appearance with a permanent fake scar he would have to stencil on every morning.]

    -Chris Mintz

    Someone in comments is following the real story –
    “That man was never shot by anyone. He is even video’d standing at the school highway entrance AFTER the shooter was supposedly dead.(there was no real shooter).”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3277108/Oregon-shooting-hero-speaks-time-shot-five-times-trying-save-classmates.html

    (They also show the same photo of him on a gurney with no IV and no IV in the hospital.)

  14. Here’s something: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3277784/Model-describes-Playboy-Mansion-s-damp-rooms-hospital-food-Hugh-Hefner-frail-relies-nurses-babes.html

    Have you ever seen anything more pathetic and sad?

    As I say, the 20th century was the transition out of Western Civilization. Playboy was created right in the middle, and led us directly out of the eternal verities (if you want to really feel nostalgic for what we have lost, put Goodby Mister Chips–the original one–at the top of your Netflix queue), to the horrible world we live in today.

    What a pathetic loser the “Playboy philosophy” made its originator into. It’s a “philosophy” so devoid of value as to be a joke worthy of Saturday Night Live, in its current worthlessness.

    This is a picture of the post-western West. A decrepit ghost.

    In the mid-20th century, things looked swell. It was the peak of Hollywood’s greatness, Broadway’s prime, the great songwriting teams were at there very best. The cars were fantastic. Air travel was starting, and was a sheer pleasure. Everything seemed so swell. We could have it all–even a complete abandonment of Biblical morality, and all the “pleasures” that would bring.

    I wonder if Hefner can grasp what a waste his life has been. Poor fellow.

    1. Also disgusting is Hefner’s extension of his “sophisticated” anything-goes attitude to cover for creeps like Bill Cosby. Wouldn’t want to embarrass a guest, especially a celebrity, by calling attention to his crimes,

      How many decades of criminal behavior have gone down at that compound?

      Reminds me of hotelier and Epstein wingman Donald Trump.

  15. The reason that John Friend should not only be fired from his job, but tried and imprisoned, is because he supports a movement of racist terrorism. The nazi White movement that Friend belongs to generates Lone Wolf attacks, more or less random murder justified by traditional anti-Semitism and racism. In addition,Washington now supports a Nazi-oligarch regime in Ukraine which is indulging in the usual terrorist murders of the Nazis, to intimidate the population and produce racist hysteria against the Russian speaking population, both in Ukraine and in Russia.

    The US-American media maintains that the Nazis in Ukraine is Russian propaganda, which it is, with the implication that they don’t exist, which is false. This media denial is standard Nazi propaganda, that the holocaust didn’t occur, the gas ovens didn’t exist, no doubt preliminary to the denial of world war 2. This has also been the case of the Lone Wolf attacks, the denial that the Dylann Roof murders, of the theater murders, etc, did not really occur.

    But denial of individual historical events is quite different from a systematic operative support of racist terrorism. Friend supports racist terrorism because he supports Hitler and Goebbels, and American Nazi and Klan leader David Duke. Now he endorse professor James Tracy right next to David Duke, no doubt due to Tracy’s support of him.

    Dr. Tracy has now distinguished the political or power basis of a movement, including Israeli imperialism, from a heritage race, finally. And Ric has too, in my opinion more honestly and effectively. But in the meantime the MHB has degenerated into a racist and anti-Semitic blog, led by poisonous Patrick and deranged Dublin. For which Dr. Tracy is responsible. So it is his (difficult) task to change the direction away from the intellectual sewer it is approaching, and counter the braindead bigots who have seized control of it.

    Because Christo is right, and Musings saw it before I did. By blaming 9/11-anthrax on “the Jews,” (and, no question, the Israeli Lobby was definitely involved) it tends to de-legitimate any critical truth of the Official and media narrative. It relegates critical truth about 9/11 to the intellectual sewers, and this critical truth is necessary to evolve out of our current ideological pathology.

    1. Folktruther please advise on which Real Politik guest or MHB commenter I should censor first (as if you haven’t already done so).

      Thank you in advance for your editorial insights.

      1. These same overly broad, ambiguous attacks were made against NowPublic a couple of years ago. The result was that the Examiner chose to shut the site down and redirect it to Examiner.com. In my opinion, a lot of insightful bloggers and readers lost out, including myself. The type of censorship espoused by Folktruther is an invitation to throw the baby out with the bathwater. What happened to counter-speech, and sunlight being the best disinfectant?

      2. This is the first time I’ve been back to this blog in awhile. It is a great one but I do not envy the task of keeping all these commenters in line as it seems like an ongoing drama that I used to contribute to haha. Thank you James.

      3. I would suggest that you don’t promote racist and anti-Semitic fascists on your blog. But John Friend promotes you as well, Dr Tracy; ;you are on his like list right up there with Dr. David Duke.

        1. Wow, Toni , saying you want to get folktruther fired? That’s a bit vindictive, sinister and somewhat police state type dictatorial isn’t it?

          I’m a newcomer to MHB so I don’t know the details of previous infighting, but I had the impression from previous comments that you disliked his condemnations of the neo Nazi hate speech on here….. from the likes of dublinsmick, gil favor and others and his call for Dr Tracy to curb it…on the grounds that we all have the right to free speech?
          Doesn’t your comment imply that you don’t accept his right to free speech and, if so, doesn’t that make you a hypocrite?

          I’ve admired your quick wit and obvious intelligence and deep education up to now, especially in your excellent responses to dublinsmick, but your reaction to folktruther’s understandable distaste for the nasty and unjustifiable blatant anti jewish and anti muslim sentiments( and downright lies aired about them) on here, has got me wondering whether your in the same camp as the deniers and haters……I sure hope I’m wrong

          A simple solution, of course, would be for Dr Tracy to put a couple of sentences , above ” Comments”, like many other blogs do, reminding commenters to avoid personal abuse, insults and hate speech and then use mods to screen out the racists and neo Nazis….by failing to do that he is leaving himself defenceless to Folktruthers assertion that he is actually in the same camp as David Duke and his ilk….

          I began reading and then contributing to MHB because of its formidably sharp and intelligent position on false flags, especially Sandy Hook, but if , as I now suspect, it has a wider agenda as a forum for irrational haters, racists and even holocaust deniers, then I will have no choice but to look elsewhere for intelligent debate on the ”alternative” issues I so enjoy discussing…

          I’m sure I shan’t be missed here, but I shall be sad to go

          love and peace

          Steven

        2. Steven,
          Thank you for asking me about it. Yes, I was joking. Civil liberties mean everything to me. I should have better signaled that it was a joke.

          folktruther’s been adamant that it was right that a guy here should have lost his job because of a blog he writes.

          Not only that, he wants the guy indicted and sent to prison.

          So, it was a drive-by post aimed sarcastically at folktruther and his authoritarian streak. Sorry about the misunderstanding.

          And thank you for your nice words, too, Steven.

        3. Good one, Toni. The dude, typical of the Cultural Marxists, believes in Freedom Of Speech For Me, But Not For Thee.

          Here’s great article that points out the hypocrisy: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/10/thomas-dilorenzo/the-infantilization-of-college-students/

          “The cultural Marxist mantra, on the other hand, is that capitalist America is such a hopelessly racist and sexist society, that only the “legacy of slavery” and the white male “war on women” are permissible on college campuses as the one and only causes of male/female or black/white wage differences. Anyone who shows up on a college campus who says otherwise is not to be debated with logic and facts, as Marcuse said, but libeled, smeared, and called a racist and a sexist.”

          And, I might add, forced out, tenure or no (actually, DiLorenzo does mention that earlier in the piece).

          The point is, these wackos are very sanctimonious, and scrupulous, when enforcing their rules on those who do not agree with them, but when the same standards are applied to them, they consider themselves immune. So much so that I doubt that Mark even gets your joke.

        4. Lose your employment, get indicted, go to prison.

          It’s the logical sequence of events to impose on someone who disagrees with you.

          folktruther: “I won’t tolerate those thoughts in your head!”

          He really doesn’t get it. lol

          I’m preparing a comment now about folktruther’s concern about anti-semitism at MHB. I guess some things I thought were obvious are not so, i.e. the distinction between, as folktruther puts it, “the political or power basis of a movement, including Israeli imperialism, from a heritage race…”

          Thanks for the link to the new article. DiLorenzo calls out the censoring tactics used on campuses these days. Can’t point that out too often. Maybe even students will overhear it someday.

        5. Its funny that article mentions ‘the legacy of slavery”(the Dilorenzo article Patrick linked to). Youngsters at university have no idea what slavery is. They have already spent most of their life in school being told that if they do not attend college or university, they will end up a total loser. My high school boasted a ridiculously high percentage rate of college enrollee’s, and stigmatized those who wanted simply to join the working world, or the military.

          Today they graduate with a huge student loan debt, and fancy themselves “free”. The only thing they are free from is independent thought. I remember graduating and people asking; what are you going to do with all those brains now? All I could think was; what brains? I didn’t know anything, and had in fact lost some of the valuable mathematics I actually did learn in school.

          I wonder what the price will be for those graduating with degrees in the social sciences, and humanities today? That is, to get their loans forgiven, aside from the fact that they have no skills, or job. At least medical students can sign an agreement of indentured servitude with a hospital to pay off their debt. My advice to anyone in college who finds themselves holding a sign, or protesting a guest speaker… run from that place, then go buy whatever book the speaker wrote, and read it.

        6. I was going to bring that up, after her piece was posted, in the form of a joke, but thought, naaaahhh. And now here you go, dredging it up.

        7. No, I can’t see comments in moderation. I didn’t get the tool you have.

          I wonder how many people have it, though, and who they are.

        8. You know, it kind of pisses me off that you would assume that I got the goddamned tool from Tracy and wouldn’t say anything about it?!?!?

          That I’d keep it a secret like you, and everybody else that has it, does?

          I didn’t beg Tracy to publish my comment as a post. He just did it. I didn’t get any special privileges.

          Sometimes I think, f**k this place.

        9. You were just DYING to ask me that question, weren’t you, Patrick? Others were dying, too, apparently.

          The tool never even occurred to me.

          You and I are different sorts of people.

        10. Patrick,
          Two things:
          I don’t like being lied to and I won’t be called a liar.

          I’ve been nothing but honest here, unlike you.

        11. I just can’t believe all the infighting here. It has even got nasty at times.

          I tried a few days ago to stop it when all was breaking lose. It seemed everybody was at each others throats and even Larry made a comment. Steven made a comment. Derek made a comment.

          ???

          I know I’m the dummy here but I have heart and the sh$t needs to end.

          No one should ever attack someone over their comment. If you disagree just state why in a reasonable manner.

          .The Fool on the Hill…

        12. Ric,
          if you ever understood what the fight was about maybe you’d stop calling for people to just get along.

        13. WRONG.

          Anyone has a choice how to react to a situation.

          I haven’t seen anything here worth getting crazy about and it’s all on display in written text.

          I’m not singling you out Toni. I’ve watched the fires get gas thrown on them instead of water from many here.

          There’s nothing anyone can say to me that would make me lose my cool.

          Remember when Folk dissected me viciously and Peacefrog made a statement? It’s worth reading. Thx Peace

          Laugh.

        14. Great Example:

          You said:

          “if you ever understood what the fight was ”

          So then I say to you “What are you calling me Stupid you little so and so”

          I could construe you called me stupid and act on it..But I don’t.

          . I know what the fights are about…………

          That’s my Point.

        15. Ric,
          Sorry to be harsh on you. Maybe I can explain it better.

          When I was trying to get dublinsmick to give up plagiarism, you thought it was about religion.

          I don’t think you’re reading for content because you’re reacting to tone, is all I’m saying.

        16. I Know Toni, We don’t have a fight and have never and never will.

          Pls listen what I’m trying say. I know what has happened and I can’t mention it. The “So you can see comments” from Pat PO’d you. I know. and Dub…He loves any good argument but has no resentment

          I like both of them just don’t feel you have to respond or react. People are people and I like both of them.

          Thats all I’m saying.

          Don’t lose yourself. I like your input here and ALL who participate.

          I’d like to see Anne and Musing and Skirt and Roach and all of them from the last 3 years come back.

        17. Steven
          If I may be so presumptuous, Toni was joking. The bottom line is however Folker is not joking, he would love to see everyone under a bolshevik heel and destroyed who does not agree with him.

          Steven you need to toughen up. Bow your neck and gird your loins son.

        18. hey Mick,

          Thanks for your observation…Toni replied to me herself so I understand she was joking

          You think I should toughen up? I tell you what, I will toughen up when you cease being a robotic link provider and plagiarist….

          For example, I mention my admiration and respect for the wisdom of Krishna and you fire back a link with some ridiculous theory about ISKON being a freemasonic, and even jewish, conspiracy…. I never mentioned supporting ISKON and I simply love Krishna, so whatever ISKON thinks or believes is irrelevant to me…..and should have been obvious to you….

          you could try adding your own thoughts to your links, but of course you would need to gird your loins and toughen up to do that….

    2. folktruther,
      Where do you get off telling other people what they can think? Can you please address this?

      You’re allowed to recount your outrage about anti-semitism over and over. Even though no Jews are in danger, you air your hysteria. We let you. You repeat the canard that the gas ovens DID exist and affirm all the rest of the lies that obscure our view of the 20th century. You even believe, unaccountably, that false-flag shootings are real if their trappings are racist enough for you.

      Still we don’t call for your silence, let alone your imprisonment.

      You believe what you want. Why can’t other people?

      I’ve told you before, you are the scariest person here. You’re kind of blood-thirsty.

      http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1263/5110558298_3db2a4c8c7_z.jpg
      folktruther at school

    1. Oh, Ric, your problem is you just don’t like fighting! lol

      Just kidding. That’s not a bad thing, of course.

      But some fights you have to have. It’s the principle of the thing.

  16. There are some articles out on Trump and Jeb and 9/11. Trump says multiple times that “the towers fell” on George’s watch. I find it somewhat telling that he uses that phrase rather than saying “we were attacked” on George’s watch. It’s as though he’s giving Jeb a little wink by using that phrase.

    I couldn’t help but peruse the comments. I was hoping that there would be a lot more 9/11 inside job type comments than there were.

    https://www.yahoo.com/politics/trump-bush-call-each-other-1280076830007350.html

    1. Interesting observation about Trump’s language, clresu. Good catch.

      You have to figure Donald Trump knew everything about developing every property in NYC in 2001, including asbestos entanglements and such things.

      And he’s given voice to “conspiracy theories” before.

  17. Peacefrog, check this out. Gangstalking revealed.

    In an exclusive interview with the Hollywood Inquirer, Kurt Cobain’s ex-wife, Courtney Love, claimed that the frontman of Nirvana did not commit suicide, but was murdered by the CIA because of his “anti-establishment political views”.

    In an interview with the prestigious Californian tabloid, the well-known actress and musician made some surprising comments concerning the death of her ex-husband. Ms. Love explains that she had always known that her husband was being followed and tracked by the CIA. She adds that, for many years, she had believed that the stress caused by the secret service’s constant harassment had pushed him to commit suicide.

    “When the Nevermind album came out, Kurt was rapidly hailed as “the spokesman of a generation” and he gained tremendous influence,” she said. “He was almost immediately approached by the Freemasons, the Illuminatis and other secret societies as well as the CIA and other agencies, because all of them wanted to recruit him. Kurt wanted nothing to do with any of them and he told them to go to hell. That’s when they began to seriously harass him. They followed him everywhere, made creepy phone calls in the middle of the night… It made Kurt very nervous, and he began carrying a gun and using more and more drugs to cope with the stress. I had always thought that he had reached a point where he was no longer able to take it and had decided to kill himself.”
    

    Some new evidence, which surfaced over the last few months, finally convinced her that he had not killed himself after all, but had actually been murdered by the American government.

    “After the police released some new pictures of the crime scene in April, I began receiving a lot of letters, emails and phone calls from Kurt’s fans,” quotes the magazine. “Among all the fan mail, I received some classified files emanating from the CIA. I don’t know who sent them, but I know they are legitimate. They clearly prove that Kurt was being spied upon, and they designate him as a “target to be eliminated”. I know they killed him, and I will prove it!” 
    

    http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/kurt-cobain-was-killed-by-the-cia-says-ex-wife-courtney-love/

    1. Paste didn’t work

      “When the Nevermind album came out, Kurt was rapidly hailed as “the spokesman of a generation” and he gained tremendous influence,” she said. “He was almost immediately approached by the Freemasons, the Illuminatis and other secret societies as well as the CIA and other agencies, because all of them wanted to recruit him. Kurt wanted nothing to do with any of them and he told them to go to hell. That’s when they began to seriously harass him. They followed him everywhere, made creepy phone calls in the middle of the night… It made Kurt very nervous, and he began carrying a gun and using more and more drugs to cope with the stress. I had always thought that he had reached a point where he was no longer able to take it and had decided to kill himself.”
      
        1. This is Ric’s unsuccessful paste:

          “Peacefrog, check this out. Gangstalking revealed.

          In an exclusive interview with the Hollywood Inquirer, Kurt Cobain’s ex-wife, Courtney Love, claimed that the frontman of Nirvana did not commit suicide, but was murdered by the CIA because of his “anti-establishment political views”.

          In an interview with the prestigious Californian tabloid, the well-known actress and musician made some surprising comments concerning the death of her ex-husband. Ms. Love explains that she had always known that her husband was being followed and tracked by the CIA. She adds that, for many years, she had believed that the stress caused by the secret service’s constant harassment had pushed him to commit suicide.

          “When the Nevermind album came out, Kurt was rapidly hailed as “the spokesman of a generation” and he gained tremendous influence,” she said. “He was almost immediately approached by the Freemasons, the Illuminatis and other secret societies as well as the CIA and other agencies, because all of them wanted to recruit him. Kurt wanted nothing to do with any of them and he told them to go to hell. That’s when they began to seriously harass him. They followed him everywhere, made creepy phone calls in the middle of the night… It made Kurt very nervous, and he began carrying a gun and using more and more drugs to cope with the stress. I had always thought that he had reached a point where he was no longer able to take it and had decided to kill himself.”

          Some new evidence, which surfaced over the last few months, finally convinced her that he had not killed himself after all, but had actually been murdered by the American government.

          “After the police released some new pictures of the crime scene in April, I began receiving a lot of letters, emails and phone calls from Kurt’s fans,” quotes the magazine. “Among all the fan mail, I received some classified files emanating from the CIA. I don’t know who sent them, but I know they are legitimate. They clearly prove that Kurt was being spied upon, and they designate him as a “target to be eliminated”. I know they killed him, and I will prove it!”

          http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/kurt-cobain-was-killed-by-the-cia-says-ex-wife-courtney-love/

        2. Thanks, isn’t that a trip what she said about the stalking,creepy phone calls and even the Freemasons trying to recruit him?

          I had my doubts about gang stalking but I guess if “they” you and you ignore them thats what you’ll get.

      1. Have you read Miles Mathis’ most current essay? It’s on this very thing. He makes some interesting connections that hadn’t ever been made, as far as I know.

  18. http://tapnewswire.com/2015/10/the-war-of-words-evidence-of-the-awakening/

    The War of Words – Evidence of the Awakening

    You may also be noticing this, but the term “anti-semitic” doesn’t have the bite and strong stigma it once had. This is a clear manifestation of how the informational war we’re waging is causing a profound shift in consciousness.

    Once we learn of their language prohibitions and the twisted nomenclature they exercise on humanity are tools of manipulation to keep us from greater truths and begin counteracting this onslaught, their sand castle of lies begins to quickly erode.

    The Conspiracy Stigma is Wearing Off

      1. Do you understand what a link it? Can you not look at the top and see “tapswire.com”

        Are you academically challenged?

        Lets make is it easy for you. Look up top the sccop feed. You will see an array of various links to articles considered relevant. They were not written by the owner of this blog. That is why there are “links”. That should be easy enough for you. That is way forums and blogs work!

        1. Here’s the way forums work, mick:

          MOST people when they post a link, write a little blurb that gives their take on the link.

          Either that or they put quotations marks around the text they are quoting, because MOST people don’t want to be mistaken for a plagiarizer.

          Not you though.

  19. My last several posts are MIA. have no idea why. Censored at the memory hole? Sounds like a song title. think e minor, F and C chords with a G and a minor refrain. pour out your soul – got censored at the memory hole. Moles and trolls argue and incite to the censors delight and get published without a fight. Mine are no where in sight. Pour out your soul – get censored at the memory hole.

    1. Maybe you need to learn what a paragraph break is–based on your track record, your posts are unreadable because you don’t know how to do that. Tracy is, after all, a perfesser.

      Just guessing.

        1. It’s music, Patrick, but I can’t read it either.

          It’s probably hilarious to music folk who are chuckling right now.

        2. “In part, Edison sat off on his own because he still didn’t read sheet music, so there was no point writing anything for him. But, at another level, Riddle didn’t bother writing anything for him because he and Frank trusted him implicitly and so he had carte blanche to play what he wanted whenever he felt he had something to say. In fact, Sinatra paid for Edison to learn how to read music, but it’s not clear, upon his completion of the course, that it made the slightest difference to how he approached his art. “If you hear a hole, Harry,” Frank had told him, “fill it.”

          “It wasn’t quite that simple. A great studio musician is a great sight reader: You stick it in front of him and he plays the part. With Edison, that wasn’t possible. “Nelson Riddle was the most patient man I’ve ever been with,” he said. “I would get to a date a half-hour before, and he took time to show me how things would go.” But it was worth the effort.”

          http://www.steynonline.com/7223/i-thought-about-you

          I’d like to read music. I’d even like to be “Sweets,” who couldn’t. I’m glad, at least, I can enjoy listening to it (and reading about it).

    1. For those who don’t wish to look, I skimmed one of Swing’s posts, and he makes an interesting point regarding Obama’s “one week” speech in 2008. Swing thinks the one week statement made over and over again by the White House occupant, was prophetic. He calculates a biblical week of seven years from the speech, as being over 10/23/15.

      As for his advice to get ready, so as to be able to help others when this collapse happens, I am not sure what he wants. Maybe buy one of his 100 kilo gold bars? Isn’t that 220 lbs? Even if it had handles welded to it, it would take two linebackers to get it into the truck. I think this guy is unwise to be date setting, after all that have tried and failed. However, if you thought you were absolutely right, would you take a shot? Who would believe you if you came out the day after and said – oh yeah, I knew it all along.

    2. He’s serious about this and there was No IMF announcement today 10/20/15. I’m not sure if it was cancelled as he said it would be?

    3. What can you think of a guy who has to insist, “I am not some fly by night opportunist. I come with serious credentials in making this prediction.”

      Swing says he uses prophetic analysis, yet states, ”Thousands upon thousands of economic articles say a massive derivatives crash is imminent.” Wouldn’t that kind of obviate the prophecy part?

      He’s selling something called The Exodus Fund, and from a “preacher” stance. Notice he calls his followers “watchmen” from Isaiah: “Go, set a watchman, let him declare what he seeth.”

      Swing as prophet in the interview:
      “My study of the prophecies have revealed exactly what the mark of the beast is and how it comes about but I am not saying publicly at this time but may soon…. for whatever reason I believe God continues to keep it virtually secret.”

      This quote is the clincher for me. Claims to “Special Knowledge” always make me suspicious.

        1. He put himself on the line all by himself.

          He will fall all will alone if he’s wrong.

          I have some Tap, no I mean, special water from the sea of Galilee for a Love gift….

          We will see by Friday.

      1. Mark Steyn, today: http://www.steynonline.com/7244/the-clock-ticks-on

        Two excerpts:

        “The world divides into those who sincerely believe in that “Coexist” sticker and those who think it’s a delusional evasion. After all, if it weren’t for that big Muslim crescent “C” at the front, you wouldn’t need a bumper sticker at all:

        “That peace-symbol “O”? It’s Muslims, alas, who kill secular hippie pacifist backpackers in Bali nightclubs.

        “That equal-rights “E”? It’s Muslims who take girls as their sex slaves in Nigeria and kill their own daughters and sisters in Germany because rape has rendered them “unclean”.

        “The star-of-David “X”? It’s Muslims who are currently stabbing and running over Jews in Jerusalem and then celebrating by passing out free candy.

        “In India, it’s Muslims vs Hindus. In southern Thailand, Muslims vs Buddhists. The world is a messy, violent, complicated place, but as a rule of thumb, as I said all those years ago in America Alone, in most corners of the planet it boils down to: Muslims vs [Your Team Here].”

        And:

        “Oh, well. The great thing about a bureaucratic program that requires police investigation of grade-schoolers at risk of “developing extremism” is that it’s the Big Government trifecta: expensive, time-consuming, and assuredly entirely ineffectual. Whereas, say, a policy of reducing Muslim immigration to the United Kingdom is just cloud-cuckoo land. Can’t be done. Pie in the sky. Devoting police resources to investigating every ten-year-old schoolboy who says something “alternative”: that we can do.”

        At least SOMEONE in charge of a country sees what Mark Steyn and I see so clearly. The question is obvious: why can’t the people (and their leaders) of what used to be the West? The answer is: the West is no more, and its people have a hole where their civilizational identity used to lie; its final traces are being intentionally erased–and the Erasers are using Islam (among other things) as tools to accomplish the job. Our people can’t recognize that they are being erased, because they are erasing themselves.

        The horror is about to begin.

  20. I’m actually starting to wonder if am I having real conversations with Real people or is this just a Petri Dish of phony opinions and fights with trolls and moles sponsored by TPTB.

    Some opinions and Posts make no sense but just seem to cause Controversy/trouble

    Some are way so out in left field. Some are are so far out I’d need a spaceship to catch up.

    You Tell Me.

    1. Confucius say, “once a website attains a level of respect in the world and gains members, said website becomes a target of TPTB. Shills come out of the woodwork, often bit players who do their little thingie and then disappear”.

      Familiarity breeds a level of paranoia and that must be shored up and dealt with successfully. This can result in harassment and various forms of condemnation. Become known and your cover will be blown,

      Vote in Hilly and we’ll all end up in Helly.

  21. I replied to Mick’s link, deep down below, about Angola wisely banning Islam. Then I read Mark Steyn’s piece, and linked to it in a separate reply (http://www.steynonline.com/7244/the-clock-ticks-on

    I hope it is read by many, and that many of those click on the link Mark includes, about what the invaders have done to a small border town in Austria. Upon further thought, I believe it is incumbent upon me to present that link as a band-along comment subject.

    Be prepared to be disgusted, and lose all your sense of support for the ongoing invasion. Compassion will be out the window, after reading this (there are lots of other reports just as horrible. These people need to be put on cargo planes and flown back to their points of origin:

    http://vladtepesblog.com/2015/10/13/bordertown-nickelsdorf-drowns-in-garbage-and-feces/

    First sentence: “When you dare to take a look at the border town of Nickelsdorf, population 1,600, you will literally be blown away: uncontrolled, illegal migrants wherever you look, and an orgy of garbage and feces of unparalleled dimensions.”

        1. The new arctic wave is here. This is how you do it according to a man named Mustafa. He made it almost effortlessly and hopes to bring over the rest of his family, but does not say if it will be through the new arctic route or the route most travelled.

          Mustafa said it took him two days to arrive in Europe safely and quickly; a journey that takes weeks for others, is very costly and can be fatal. His itinerary:

          From Iraq to Turkey
          From Istanbul to Moscow
          From Moscow to Murmansk
          By auto from Murmansk to the Norwegian border station in the arctic.

          The main rag Aftenposten, cheerleader for the invasion of Europe, had this to say: “The whirlwind trip from Iraq to Norway proves that the immigrant flow from the Middle East via Moscow and Murmansk to Storskog in Northern Norway is improving with a steady pace.” In other words, come on over.

          The comment section in Aftenposten is normally closed on this matter, but strangely enough one was available for an article about the national budget next year, and how much the welfare system will be drained by tens of thousands of additional residents, many illiterate and unemployable. Not one comment from the rank and file was in favor of the invasion. The fog is lifting and they are finally beginning to realize what it means for the cradle to grave privileged citizens to share the generous welfare benefits with so many newcomers.

          I am taking the liberty to post one of the comments, this one from USA:

          Henrikknutsen • for 8 timer siden
          As an observer of Norwegian politics for the past 50+ years, the asylum/immigration policies stand out as the decidedly worst disaster ever, practiced without the consent of the Norwegian people and clearly bordering on treason and those responsible should be treated as such. These policies will change Norway forever as we know it and can only be described as a gigantic tragedy. Unsustainable costs, higher crime rates, social conflicts and the loss of the glue that held a homogeneous Norway together for centuries. Norway is slowly dying because the political elite no longer stands for anything and no longer understands the core building blocks of a successful society yet loves their little fits of moral self-congratulations. How long can Norway’s liberal political traditions, it’s religious and cultural heritage survive the massive influx of Muslim immigrants, a group demanding to receive yet resists assimilation. The only responsible response is to close Norway’s borders, regain its sovereignty and say a loud no to any further immigration.

        2. lophatt – yes there are some, but they have no voice and no power to stop it. Sweden has Red Ice Radio. The other Scandinavian countries are not blessed with something similar.

          From 10/23, 2015 Sweden – get ready for the collapse
          http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2015/10/RIR-151023.php

          The problem is that the average person, also called taxpayer, has no say in any of this. The top politicians are Bilderbergers and have no interest in sovereignty and the plight of the regular man and woman. The ones who bear the brunt of this insanity.

          Another wave arrived in Northern Norway via the Russian border recently and were bused to a small mining village with a population of 580. The busloads of migrants added another 150 to this number. The small, local hotel is now accommodating them, but they really want to go to Oslo. As long as hotels, convention centers, schools, churches, hangars and the like are used for housing, at an expense of US $ 20 million per month, most voices are silent due to pc.

          But, as now being suggested by the Bilderbergers, the welfare programs may see drastic cuts and taxes a drastic increase, the pc crowd may find a voice. If that does not do it, when as suggested their beloved vacation homes will be forcibly removed from them to house the newcomers, the old Viking spirit may finally come to life.

          Another interesting tidbit is that when the “migrants” enter Norwegian soil across from the Russian border, Russia will not let them back in. It has been suggested that this is getting back at Norway for some minor squabbles between the two countries, and that the Russians delight in sending as many across as they can. Of course, if Norway had any backbone, which they don’t, they could stop anyone from setting foot on Norwegian soil along the 120 mile long land border. On the Norwegian side the area is saturated with military presence and the latest in surveillance gadgets.

          From here in moon batty California and my crystal ball I see old Europe gone as we knew it. What is going to happen to this large country (corporation) is already a done deal. The frog is lukewarm.

    1. Judging from my own experience in towns of pop 1600, I would bet the local police force consists of something in the neighborhood of one Andy, and one Barney. Can anyone imagine 10, 000 plus men per day arriving in a town like that? Then imagine having little more than a tire iron to protect your family.

      As for the Steyn article, he relates an honor killing of a moslem woman, instigated by her mother, and carried out by her brothers. Is there any more a person would need to know regarding this culture’s inability to assimilate. Would it not be more appropriate to send the honor killers after the gang rapists to restore family honor? Oh wait, am I being insensitive? Can someone explain to me the logic in throwing a human being away, because they have been raped?

    2. Let’s never forget Mark Steyn is a converted tribe member. Let’s never forget that he’s Zionist all the way.

      Zionism pays very fat salaries to conservative radio hosts who make it big. These extra shekels imply “job well done”.

    1. I just noticed Toni said I called her a liar, and lied to her. Mystifying. I thought we got along swimmingly. I have enjoyed her friendship (I thought), and seeming camaraderie. Weird. What seems to be the problem?

      1. Let me spell it out:

        You hid the fact that you could see the comments in moderation; therefore you are a liar.

        After my post was published you assumed that I was hiding this capability, too. Therefore, you implied I was a liar.

        Clear?

        1. This is annoying.

          Some weeks ago, if anyone at all gives a rip, I calculated that I would go into moderation, and would be released along with the comment I was replying to. I had to go to bed. I bet wrong, and Tracy released mine, and not the other. You noticed. So I told you how it happened.

          You think I was keeping “a secret.” First, it’s none of your business. (I “hide” the contents of my bank account from you, too.) Why do you even care about the tools published authors here are given? Who do you think you are?

          What difference does it make if some people can see things others can’t? Are you a communist?

          Second, It looked, yesterday, quite a lot like you knew what my comment in moderation contained. Rich even wrote about it before I did (for those who have no life, you can skim way, way, down into a seemingly endless thread–and fall asleep with this non-story acting as sedative). So naturally, I assumed, you being a published author here of late, that James had offered you the web page that allows you to make it easy to submit an article to him in this WordPress universe. I thought that it was fun that you had joined that club. Cool. Another (unpaid) fellow article writer at this fantastic site.

          This innocent reality seems so obvious, if one reviews the brief exchange, that I’m astounded at your anger. Why, again, do you care that published authors on this site can see things the common person can’t? What business it that of yours?

          Please stop pestering me about this. All you had to say was, “no, I don’t know why it looks like my reply anticipated your comment being released from moderation, and no, it’s not because I have been given the platform for composing posts for MHB–but I hope to have it, some day.” Instead, you made a scene.

          And then you said my reluctance to engage your hysterical ranting makes me a “coward.”

          Sheesh.

        2. You don’t get it, do you?

          I don’t “hope to have it, some day.” I’m not interested in seeing posts before they’re published. I’m not interested in having an “advantage” over anyone else. This is important to you only.

          The point is you offensively assumed I would lie about it like you did.

  22. Canada now has an inexperienced super lib child from its most dysfunctional family running the country. Way to go Canada! Just when we thought we were catching up, Canada ups the ante on cultural suicide and the race to the bottom.

    1. Don’t know too much about the young Trudeau but his father was very wealthy and educated in a jesuit run classical college. He in short also believed in corporate fascist rule under the “guidance” of Rome. Catholic philosophy was one of his favorite subjects they say.

      He was too make a long story short destined to lead as other famous jesuits were and that includes Hitler, Stalin Goebbels, Bill Clinton, and Castro. CIA heads Gates, Tenet, and Casey, Antonin Scalia, Alexander Haig, David Petraus, General George Casey, Generals Jones and Pace and many many others. Are they talented or just connected?

      Georgetown University the jesuit college has many foreign notables, King Hussein, Phillips and Pavlos of Greece, Prince Bernhard of Orange, Duke Jean of Luxembourg, Prince Faisal, and many many others, I am only scratching the surface here, you get the idea.

      Trudeau thought traitors should be impaled and that is very catholic like.

      Jesuit] Father Antonio Llorente, Castro’s teacher and spiritual adviser at the [Jesuit] Colegio de Belén. “Fidel Castro is a man of destiny,” prophesied Llorente. “Behind him is the hand of God. He has a mission to fulfill and he will fulfill it against all obstacles.”

      I will take a wild guess and say young Trudeau has a brilliant career all laid out for him.

      1. Jesuits – what a rabbit hole.

        I had to laugh when I heard that when Obama called to congratulate him, Trudeau took that opportunity to tell him he was pulling Canadian jets out of Syria. Ha!

        https://02varvara.wordpress.com/2015/10/21/new-prime-trudeau-to-pull-out-jets-gives-bird-to-usa/

        You’re probably right about his brilliant career laid out for him. Check out this glamour shot:
        https://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/00-justin-trudeau-canada-pm-211015.jpg

        1. I see Canada turning into Sweden now.

          Why is it only White Countries must accept multiculturalism?

          Answer: For Control.

          The New World Odor’s only fear is White People.

          Nothing Racist just the facts….

        2. It looks you and Mick are both right. The Jesuits are embracing “diversity programming” (kind of an orwellian phrase) at their schools.

          For instance, “Rockhurst’s Jesuit mission emphasizes social justice and equality for all people, including the goal of freedom from exclusion or marginalization.”

          It’s funny, I found a news article that had the new Prime Minister, before he was elected, defending his adherence to his Catholic faith due to these kinds of progressive attitudes.

          “Are there any tenets of the Catholic faith that Justin supports?,” they worried. Sounds like they still think of him as a child.

        3. There is a piece in the protocols which addresses this. It goes something like we will under the UN create the universal brown man, with no concept of nationality or ethnic identity. The program is moving full steam ahead.

          At present the European ethnic group comprises about 8% of the world population.

          They would love to send mass immigration to countries like China, India and Russia but those countries will not allow it.

          I saw a piece of pravda by a Russian intellectual who stated that Russia has some differing ethnic groups that have for the most part identified with simply being Russians. He went on to say Russia is not interested in being a melting pot, they will develop their own culture in their own way.

  23. There are a couple developments in certain memes I and others have discussed recently, like ‘IRA activity,’ and what defines ‘jew’ that I would like to update. But the bickering on here kills my mojo.

  24. Scoop Feed is carrying this story about lost evidence documenting pedophile rings in the UK: http://scoopfeed.net/2015/10/21/cover-up-exposed-uk-govt-deleted-entire-database-of-evidence-documenting-pedophile-rings/

    Check out the Scoop Feed page for this story to also see a series of newspaper page images that link to articles detailing the scandal.

    For those interested, I also found this broadcast news report from last summer which recounts layers of criminal organization. If sexual imagery had been the point of dublinsmick’s “Brotherhood of the Bell” movie, it would look like this.

    The Westminster pedophile ring is called the biggest political scandal in British history. With a record of murder and abuse, it has been operating at the highest levels of the British establishment which has protected it for forty years.

    This video is from the Australian 60 Minutes program. It names names, including the head of MI6, who was protected in his position as head of foreign intelligence, though he was obviously vulnerable to blackmail.

    SPECIAL INVESTIGATION: SPIES, LORDS AND PREDATORS
    https://youtu.be/fL4DD6LXax4

    Perhaps the tide is turning against these self-perpetuating pedophile abuse and murder rings, but we know that 60 Minutes, like most broadcast television, is politically inflected. Notice how the entire report never mentions the BBC.

    Here’s a sample quote from another source about British Broadcasting Company involvement, through creepy BBC children’s celebrity and pedophile Jimmy Savile:

    “Savile was, in fact, working as a VIP pimp, procuring children to be abused and often murdered, by Royalty, Government and showbiz entertainers.

    He managed to hoodwink the British public for over 50 years due to his close links to Prince Philip, the Secret Services and Margaret Thatcher, who were themselves up to their necks in filth of the highest order.”

    Prince Philip, as has been noted, is the special friend of convicted American sexual predator and pimp to the powerful, Jeffrey Epstein.

    http://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/uploads/2015/3/27/jimmy-savile-with-children.jpg
    The crimes of Jimmy Savile are repulsive to even recount. Let’s just say “under-privileged” children were his favorites.

    More specifics here:
    http://beforeitsnews.com/eu/2015/08/spies-lords-predators-murders-by-westminster-paedophile-ring-2588200.html

    1. I just started watching this video and I immediately thought of Brian Gerrish, a Brit who has been trying to get the issue of governmental/institutional child abuse out in the open for years now. He’s a marvel, though I haven’t heard much from him lately. Steven, are you familiar with Gerrish’s work?

      1. Hi Recynd,

        I wrote a fairly long response to the Molyneaux vid you linked..I think its just come out of mod…hope you can see it…

        To answer your question, not sure if I know Brian Gerrish, unless he’s a former cop who pushes on this issue?

        When they appointed a judge from New Zealand, who seems to be properly outside the Brit establishment and looked like they would give her the right support, I got hopeful…but its unravelling rapidly… a main victim has been publicly called a fantasist and discredited in the press, plus the media are now saying that psychologists who were involved with the ” alleged ” victims probably ” accidentally” implanted false memories…

        the ability of TPTB to wriggle out of their sick behaviour is breathtaking…

        Oh, and Toni? It wasn’t Prince Philip who was Epstein’s pal..it was his son, Prince Andrew, brother of Charles, your American prosecutors looked at him, then ran away under the royal reptilian gaze….

        1. I bet Gerrish is the former cop…I didn’t know that, but he strikes me as the sort (a disillusioned cop, anyway). I bet he has taken quite a hit, professionally and socially for his outspokenness. He speaks about “Common Purpose”, which isn’t so big here in the US, but is in the UK/Europe.

        2. Steven, as sick as this subject is, the mere mention of Prince Andrew makes me laugh.He’s the British equivalent to “Sparky” Bush.

          He looks guilty, because he is. The whole scandal is not just a British thing. This has been going on a very long time. They have enough evidence to indict the entire crew several times over, but they keep “losing” evidence and stonewalling.

        3. Absolutely…. Andrew is an arrogant sicko….but your prosecutors wouldn’t even interview him…. just shows the continuing power and influence of our royals and the old time establishment in general…breathtaking, really

          In readiness for our latest big enquiry into allegations of pedophilia and child abuse by ”the elite”, our media are now saying it looks like all victims were fantasists, attention seekers, or were accidentally implanted with false memories by the psychologists who attended them….and most of the sheeple here are falling for that crap….

          like you said in another recent post, on a different issue, maybe the only way is lighted torches and pitchforks….

        4. Steven and lophatt,
          I’m just gonna start keeping my pitchfork and torches by the door, that way I can grab them on the way out.

    2. The pedophile ring files have mysteriously disappeared in jolly old England. Wasn’t this just reported here or on Drudge?

      1. The “lost” evidence from the victim testimonies database, coupled with the omission from the 60 Minutes expose of the role played by the BBC indicates the cover-up may be on-going.

    3. Toni, yes, as sick as this piece of filth was, he’s dead. Therefore, he’s the designated patsy. Nothing to see here, move along.

      There was a similar episode in Belgium and the Netherlands a few years ago. There was the midnight boy hooker visits to the White House. There was the Franklin Scandal.

      None of these things could exist without police and official sanction. Perverts in high places is nothing new. Once in a while they lose control of the evidence and have to put it all back in the box.

      I suppose the value to these expose’s is that they remind us of the nature of the creatures we’re dealing with. They are not “human”. Someone who violates disabled children just out of surgery or dead corpses and has a popular TV show, spends Christmas with Maggie Thatcher and hangs out with Prince Charles is hard to believe. But, there it is.

      So, by comparison, Epstein boinking fifteen year-old girls with Prince Andrew and Slick Willie is sorta tame. As far as I can determine they weren’t anesthetized or dead. Nonetheless, these bastions of morality are a hard act to follow.

      There isn’t anyone who will ever prosecute the Royals or the unofficial “royals” here, nor in Belgium or the Netherlands. The harsh reality is that they are, indeed, above any laws.

      My pet theory is that the reason they display contempt when caught is their hubris. They know that the eaters will use legal means to come after them and they scoff at us. If they thought someone were coming for them with lighted torches and pitchforks they’d have a more contrite response.

      These acts that they commit are common knowledge in their circles. They can, and do, go on for years. In the Belgian “Mollynaux” (sp?) case, there were a series of child abductions, sex slavery and murder. The cops were shown to be aware of it. One of the victims, Regina Louf, testified and they ruined her life. They said she was crazy.

      These things have common themes. I didn’t want to believe some of it myself. I’m afraid I can’t deny the evidence. There’s this whole dark underworld to these people in high places and an industry to cater to them. The cops know who they are and who they service. Making the logical connections is the death knell for minor officials.

      1. Correction: Please replace “Mollynaux” with “Dutreaux”. I hope I spelled that correctly. Mark Dutreaux. I think “Molly”got implanted from an earlier comment.

      2. Lophatt,

        Your theory of the hubris of the elite seems right to me. Did you read Fetzer’s Prologue to the new book? He connects Satanism with hubris, defining them as “extreme subjectivism whence one makes oneself God, the subject being creator of his/her own reality.” When you think about it, hubris is behind every kind of organized crime and cover-up.

        I’m always more incensed by the social politics surrounding a crime than the crime itself. Unorganized crime falls into the area of the human, where the damage is local, and where prevention and punishment belong.

        It may seem silly to say, “So THIS is the socio-political context in which you chose to commit your crimes? Bastard!” But I think its important because we all contribute to that context, so we all have an interest and a responsibility.

        There’s raping a child, then there’s raping a child made available to you through social services.

        That’s the kind of thing that really pisses me off.

      1. Lovely! It appears that her high ideals are still intact. She probably blames herself for being blonde.

        From what I can determine there’s a lot of this going on. Not only are their governments allowing these people in, they are doing nothing to protect their citizens.

        She was pressured to keep her mouth shut. Lord knows, we wouldn’t want the truth to spoil the fantasy. This is what the Swede’s video was discussing. They are actually warning their citizens that it isn’t safe to go near them.

        We have a situation here that is a little similar. There are Sudanese cab drivers and Sikh cab drivers. They stake out street corners and fight with each other over fares.

        This causes crowds of angry Somalis to block sidewalks and everyone is in danger of getting stabbed in the melee. Apparently the cops think this is entirely acceptable or they’re busy issuing citations elsewhere.

        Of course most have enough trouble with Spanish without tackling Swahili. Meanwhile, the poor girl thinks she “owes” it to them to keep quiet. After all, she’s white.

        1. From Mr. Joel Sherwood

          10 small tips to help refugees

          “Right now it is all about trying to help refugees. Like a lot of people, I have been looking for ways to get involved. But the question is what can you do that will really make a difference?”

          Here it goes:

          http://www.thelocal.se/blogs/blogweiser/

        2. Lophatt,
          Would you read my last comment and tell me what you think.

          I think its interesting what savage said about Reverse Hitler.

          My last comment, still in the black hole, is being analyzed by the best minds DHS has to offer (snot nosed pot heads)

          That’s his comment not mine but interesting.
          I love all the music too

        3. Ric, of course it is. They work for the same boss. They are both busy lowering the living standard in the West. They’re doing a bang up job too.

          They wouldn’t be in the places they are without the full support of their boss. They are going at this with a wrecking ball and a torch.

          Don’t worry though. What’s left will be ours to enjoy.

        4. Lophatt,
          My Comment is on the next page for Newer comments about 2 down.
          And Toni, that wasn’t my comment you posted but thanks for trying to find it.

        5. Correcction: Toni that Link is my comment. I didn’t realize you were talking to me about emails.
          No, I don’t subscribe to wordpress and get notified about replies to my comments.

    1. Great Vid.

      Replace Sweden with USA and then send to every Congressman.

      Not that they’d care

      Multiculturalism is Mandatory if you want to be part of the New World Odor.

      All these leaders sound like Parrots.

      I Like this Guy…

        1. Wow, what a concept. Of course, this being vacation season and all, perhaps they relish a trek across hostile lands instead. Travel broadens the mind.

          Then we have the Somalis. What do they have to do with Syria? What’s next? Samoans?

          No one claiming to be a refugee is going to go to Europe from the Middle East unless there is absolutely no alternative. It doesn’t make sense.

          Then, when they get there, they behave like absolute barbarians. Most are young, military aged, men. Doesn’t anybody smell a rat here?

          Speaking of rodents, I noticed that there was a rash of tent settlements that they torched thinking that it would force their “hosts” into supplying better living conditions.

          Of course, in Germany, the Merkel gang has been evicting Germans from their homes to make room for their “guests”. If anyone complains about this they break out the water canons and the pepper spray.

          I smell New World Odor.

        2. What a wonderful country! Riding lessons? We could have a Muslim bobsled team! I’m sure that will be a lovely place when they’re finished with it.

          Maybe we should all just go to Sweden. You know, no visa, no passport, just GO. They’ll feed and clothe us. Of course we’d better get our reservations in early as it looks like accommodations are filling up fast.

        3. Excerpt from the previous link:

          ~Kuldepp explained that the refugees would be allowed to stay in Riksgränsen until February 2016, when the main tourist ski season would get under way. He said that the plan would “not affect our ordinary activities” but added that he hoped that his resort would also be able to create jobs for some of the asylum seekers.~

          Jobs? Such as ski instructors? Wonder what the place looks like come February 2016. I’ll scratch it off my bucket list.

      1. Ric…thanks for your comment, but you picked up on one aspect of what the guy in the Sweden video was saying, rather than his main point ( and mine), which is that the European countries taking in the immigrants are not doing enough to ensure they assimilate….instead, they are going too far with the concept of ” multiculturalism” and causing more social cohesion problems instead of less..

        In his footnotes, the videomaker tells us his family immigrated in the 90’s from the Yugoslavia/ Bosnia mess….he is now, obviously it seems to me …. a well educated, articulate, fully assimilated western European who shares ” our” values…

        I don’t share the anti-immigrant nasty invective shown by some on MHB…… you and the others are falling for that old Elite cabal trick of divide and conquer….while you are all busy arguing about wanting to defame and expel the refugees for the crime of being non European and non- white ,our controllers are quietly tightening the noose of police state fascist tyranny over all of us….,

        whether we are natives or immigrants…our Agenda 21 and Agenda 30 and our AI driven, cashless economy and transhumanist future is just around the corner….. try looking at what that top guy at Google sees in our near future…look at 2045.com…. think about Skynet( which may have been fiction, but its coming in reality)…did it discriminate between natives and immigrants?

        taking cheap shots at our fellow ordinary people from other countries and cultures is playing into their hands….. there is a seriously scary bigger picture going on here…

        1. I agree with you and I’m Not anti-immigrant at all.

          I agree they are going too far with the concept of ” multiculturalism” and causing more social cohesion problems instead of less..as you said.

          All world leaders are on this same page of forcing multiculturalism, Not sensible immigration.

          One of points is I think it’s an agenda to balkanize and weaken the targeted countries.

          I think we’re on the same page.

        2. Hey Ric

          Yeah, we seem to be on the same page…I’m going to try and respond to the comment by Recynd, which is on the same subject..

          Thanks !

        3. Not a big fan of the limited hangout birch society, but they do offer some water down truths at times. It all boils down to info in the protocols regardless of how people want to harangue about who wrote them. The goal as stated is the creation of the universal brown man with no concept of nationality or ethnicity who worship the coming world government. It is not all about the poor immigrant having to flee his country due to nato bombing.

          In fact the mobs overwhelming Europe at present, are all young fighting age males. They gather on the streets, rape women and declare how islam is going to rule the world. Any country that doesn’t think it’s culture is worthy of saving … well is probably won’t be. It is really that simple.

          The American indians had a poor immigration policy, look what happened to them. Hey as Russell Means said before he died “Welcome to the reservation.”

          http://www.jbs.org/home/the-un

          “The UN tells UN member countries, including the U.S., how many refugees they must accept.

          Most Americans are stunned when they find out that our nation’s
          military forays for the past 70 years have been controlled by the United
          Nations. Some, of course, refuse to believe this even when presented
          with the documents and facts proving the claim.

          In brief, when the United States entered the Korean War in 1950,
          President Truman cited authority contained in the NATO Pact formulated
          in 1949. NATO has always been a UN stepchild, and the UN remains in
          control. Most of the shooting in Korea stopped in 1953, but tens of
          thousands of U.S. forces remain in South Korea as part of the United
          Nations overall command. There never has been a formal termination of
          hostilities in the Korean theater. If the UN doesn’t want formal
          termination, it won’t happen.”

        4. Steven, I get what you’re saying about “regular” people. We are essentially brothers and sisters, all of us, regardless of color or country of origin.

          But what you’re not addressing is the financial aspect, recently well-discussed by Stefan Molyneaux: http://youtu.be/4u1J6EEhkyM.

          How do you rationalize this?

        5. Hello Recynd,

          Thanks for your comment and I watched all 35 mins of the video you linked…

          As I think you know, I’m a Brit and I haven’t closely followed American immigration issues so I’m no expert, but I will try to answer…

          I haven’t heard of Stefan Molyneaux or the organisation he got all those statistics from, but I respect you, based on everything of yours I’ve read, so I’m going to assume Molyneaux and the stats provider are honest or you wouldn’t have linked them….

          First, my position on MHB has been about refugees from Syria and other mid eastern and north African countries, especially Libya, Iraq and so on where western empire building, led by America has caused the displacement of all these civilians…I’m horrified that most on here seem to want to refuse help to those refugees ,especially as our governments directly caused their lives to be ruined…

          Immigration is a separate issue…although obviously closely linked in most peoples minds…. here in Britain we have very little non European immigration and we will be taking the fewest refugees, something I’m not comfortable with…

          On your American immigration. .it’s hard to argue with Molyneaux’s stats…but some interesting stats were…

          the south Asians had similar( good ) stats to the white natives , whilst immigrant blacks had similar ( terrible) stats to the native blacks…that’s probably because the Asians aspire to do better and arrive wanting to do better, whereas your native blacks are traditionally disadvantaged and structurally poor, same as immigrant blacks .. ( on a side note, he doesn’t give numbers, but I’m assuming immigrant black Africans are arriving in very small numbers which would skewer the stats)

          on the stats for welfare users by country of origin he doesn’t include mid eastern/north African at all…I don’t know if that’s cos those stats don’t support his thesis or for other reasons, but the debate on here has mainly been about mid eastern, mainly muslim refugees and immigrants so in that sense his stats don’t help us…

          the obvious response to his dramatic emphasis on the low use of welfare by white European immigrants compared to Mexicans and other Latinos is simple… the Europeans arrive as a well educated group with money, already reasonably well off and aspiring to do even better…. whereas the Mexican & Latino immigrants are desperately poor and just looking to do better than subsist…

          As a general response, though, I have to agree his argument is impressive although, as always, I’m not comfortable with an argument based only on economics….. my solution would be ..change the economics….but thats a whole other issue…

          thanks for that link, one of the most lucid presentations I’ve ever seen on the immigration issue…

        6. I’m so glad you found the link I posted beneficial; I thought it to be particularly important (I posted it on my Facebook page), but I’m always pleasantly surprised when people take the time to watch something I’ve recommended.

          Stefan Molyneaux is a popular Voluntaryist/anarcho-capitalist (free market). He advocates open borders, so long as the market can sustain them (i.e., as long as there are adequate jobs available). Though I don’t always agree with his arguments/conclusions, his factual research is generally sound, so I expect his numbers to be valid.

          Here in the US, we get immigrants from all over. I think we get more educated Indians, Koreans, and Chinese than we do Europeans, but we get, by far, more Mexicans than anyone else (I will do some fact-checking on this), and mostly the impoverished, uneducated type. After a couple of generations, they become as educated as anyone else, but among them has developed a very revolutionary agenda (look up “Atzlan” and “La Raza”). Not all, not by a long shot, but enough to matter.

          When my great-grands moved here from Bohemia, they were by and large uneducated; my great-grandmothers both worked as domestics, my grandparents were a little more skilled laborers, and my folks were professional people (well, my dad was; my mom stayed home with us).

          I don’t have a problem with immigrants (educated or not), and I don’t have a problem helping those who need it. We are religious folks, and we pay a full tithe (10% of our gross income, plus), on top of the taxes we pay. But governments don’t help these people, they cripple them…government cripples us all, in many ways.

          Maybe we’re arguing apples and oranges…but I don’t think any of us here are bigots. We just have different ideas of what “help” means, and if this onslaught of new immigrants is what it’s portrayed to be.

          You are clearly a kind soul, Steven.

        7. Hi Recynd,

          Thanks for the kind words and your info..I will check out La Raza etc

          I agree the goverrnments’ cripple us and just giving out welfare without radical structural reform helps nobody…

          I have been an immigrant myself… I moved from my home country, Britain, to Spain, lived there from the early 80’s till 2002. My kids were born and raised there, did all their schooling there, still live there …its the only home they know….maybe that affects my perspective, I don’t know… I never needed to claim welfare, but in Spain there is very little anyway….after 6 months of cash welfare they cut you loose…..amazingly, almost everyone finds a job when that cut off point looms!

          I thought Molyneaux was over dramatic with ”’they have their hands in your wallet, stealing from your kids inheritance…” .I wonder just how much an average American on average wage pays in welfare as a percentage of his total taxes…that would be an interesting stat… I bet its about 10 dollars a week, or less ,not a lot really to contribute to your fellow humans….nowhere near as much as your generous tithe, that’s for sure….

          love and peace

          S

        8. I bet its about 10 dollars a week, or less ,not a lot really to contribute to your fellow humans….- steven

          Steven, really. For someone who recently commented on “the big picture”, this is an extremely childish view on the taxes we pay. To think that the taxes we pay are actually helping anyone is ludicrous to say the least. The taxes we pay today are barely servicing the debt as it is. You know, payin’ the vig, the interest to the Iron Bank of Bravos, The Fed man, for God sake! The taxes we pay today are like squeezing an eyedropper into the Pacific ocean. We are servicing debt from decades past, and when the masters of the universe, the bankers, decide to shut it off, its game over.

          When we pay taxes, we do nothing to help our fellow man, or ourselves. We are simply servicing the dream. Every year here in America we have a huge budget battle, raise the debt ceiling, fall off the fiscal cliff, and spend onward into oblivion. Then after the budget is passed, congress votes on program after program to combat “new” societal ills, and threats, worth billions and billions, and spend even more beyond the budget.

          Lastly, I don’t think anyone in Spain is jumping off the welfare bandwagon, and living the dream in the Spanish job market these days.

        9. Hey Rich

          I agree with all you say…the guy on the video was saying immigrants were putting their hands in his pocket and stealing his money…I was pointing out the amount is miniscule…you point out its essentially zero…so to me it looks like we are saying the same thing, though perhaps I expressed myself badly…

          On Spain, I was trying to explain that they don’t throw their welfare money around in the way that Molyneaux says the Americans do….

          so they do have a bigger incentive to try to earn rather than pick up free money….I agree its a tough market, my son who lives there only has a minimum wage job, despite a very good education…..luckily he doesn’t seem to care…he works evenings in a restaurant and spends his days rockclimbing in the mountains….. a kind of a 60’s Californian way of life…he didn’t get that from me, honest..

        10. I was pointing out the amount is miniscule…you point out its essentially zero…so to me it looks like we are saying the same thing, though perhaps I expressed myself badly…- Steven

          Not really saying the same thing at all, Steven. That is because you don’t address the big problem. What happens when the central banks turn off the flow of free money. Free money is all that is keeping this wheel turning, and we all know that nothing in this world is free. I appreciate your optimism that when the wheel grinds to a halt, we will kick all the bums out, and have a better place with more freedom, but I think those bums are way ahead of us when it comes to what is next. After all, they created the problem in the first place, and their actions at present seem to go against any semblance of common sense. Those actions denote a well thought out plan.

        11. I appreciate this tender back and forth, really I do, and have been reluctant to enter with a bucket of cold water, but then Steven said:

          “…stealing from your kids inheritance…” .I wonder just how much an average American on average wage pays in welfare as a percentage of his total taxes…”

          I have not yet listened/watched this episode of Stephan’s (I subscribe to the podcast–I love the guy), but I can guarantee that his reference to “your kids inheritance” is about the brilliant trick Keynes bequeathed to the brain-dead West: if you don’t have the dough to hand out to all the people you want to vote for you, create bonds that their kids and grandkids will be told they have to redeem with their earnings. Borrowing money from your descendants is so much more lovable in the present than extracting the real money from the voters that live right now.

          As for your experience as an immigrant, Steven, you shared the same civilizational Mind with the people you mingled amongst. You may have abjured the faith in Christianity that defines Western cultural assumptions, but you retain the assumptions themselves. As does Spain. The problem is when a country takes in people from an alien civilization, with a completely different set of civilizational assumptions about reality. Moslems don’t assimilate, because they don’t abandon Islam when they arrive in Europe, or America (or anywhere). They just wait until their numbers achieve a critical mass, at which point they start making demands that the world they have entered make concessions to THEIR standards and norms.

          America grew with wave after wave of hard to assimilate groups, but over the decades they all became just a as American as anyone else. That’s because they all came from Western countries, carrying in their way of perceiving the world, Western assumptions about reality.

          The invasion of Europe is planned. It is a war by our masters against the cultures of the European countries. These people will never become Swedish or Irish in their hearts. It is an utter disaster. And it’s too late for the common man to fight back, stop it, and drive them back to the countries they belong in.

          Read The Camp of the Saints, if you want to see your future (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Camp_of_the_Saints).

        12. What you’re sneering as “tender”, Pat, is really just “polite”. Finding common ground on which to start a discussion is often fruitful. It’s clear with some people (Mark) that they’re not interested in a discussion, but really only look to find examples of racism and bigotry to affirm their own stance; however, I haven’t gotten this impression from Steven.

          The difference, Steven, between tithing and taxation is that one is voluntary and the other is merely state-sanctioned theft. Whether it’s income, use, sales, property, capital gains, inheritance, or utility taxes. It’s extortion. Or, better, as someone here recently said, it’s a tribute to the sovereignty (or is it “sovereign”?).

          We are nearing the point where, for the regular Joe, working is a chump’s game. Why work when half your income will go to the state, regardless of what they do with it? With estate taxes as they are, a family can’t build a fortune, even generationally (how handy for the old-money families that they weren’t saddled with such laws!). That does NOT inspire fiscal responsibility. That’s one side of it.

          On the other side (briefly, I’ve got to go to work in a bit), hand outs, unless they’re for a brief time, and managed at the very local level, only serve to enslave and corrupt. The best example I know is the LDS Church’s (the Mormons’) welfare system. It’s terrific. I am excited to see how it will work in places like Africa, where the Church is growing by leaps and bounds.

        13. The old money families don’t have to pass their money down anymore, thus avoiding inheritance taxes. They start “Foundations”, and the whole family gets everything paid for by the Foundation, hence, no paycheck to get raped by the government. When they die, they have nothing to leave anyone, because the foundation owns everything. Wealthy people know, only morons pay taxes. They like to hand money back and forth to each others foundations too, thus looking like humanity loving philanthropists.

        14. Hi Recynd,

          I do indeed understand the difference between tithing and taxation…my mention of your generosity was admiration for your unselfishness…I hope you didn’t take it in any other way…

          The whole issue of taxation can be fascinating, but its another issue, like immigration, that can bring out extreme positions in people.In my previous comment I said I wouldn’t be posting any more on the immigration thing , I find Patrick’s answers to be sneering, as you said, and many others clearly see that issue as a great excuse to exhibit opinions which I find amount to ignorant bigotry or worse…

          Taxation, well, here in Britain and I think in most of Europe we don’t have this strong emotional feeling about opposing state taxation as a lot of Americans seem to do, with its link with personal liberty and so on. I’m not saying that’s better or worse, just doesn’t happen….

          I suppose most people here , if asked, would just say, yeah, taxes, don’t like paying them and yeah, they need to be more fairly distributed between the wealthy and the less well off, BUT, they are necessary, how else do we pay for education for the kids, social care for the elderly, hospitals, for the sick, police and fire services, not to mention maintaining all the millions of miles of cables and pipework and roads, bridges, tunnels, you name it and on and on and on…..

          Of course I know that the tax revenues are misused by everyone who has a hand on them, especially the banks and the financiers and the Fed Reserve and Wall St ( and our European equivalents of all of those) and that’s an absolute scandal of epic proportions, as Rich and others have pointed out….

          Anyway, you don’t need to respond ,you addressed me in your post to Patrick, so I’m replying, but I really don’t want to get into another huge debate on taxation like we all did with the immigration thing! Can’t imagine you do either….personally I would rather swap fave music videos like we did yesterday!

          As for your last paragraph… I agree word for word…

        15. hey Patrick

          Looks like you and I are never going to agree on much, but I’m with you in believing our controllers see a huge win for them by mixing up immigrants with locals in Europe and America…

          However, you shouldn’t just give up and gloomily predict the end of everything…there is another scenario, I’ve mentioned it and Anne B posted an article on it…. the social stress and instability and all around lowering of living standards, will lead to a realisation by ordinary people of all backgrounds that they are all being exploited by our controllers and everyone has become impoverished together…. at that point, we may have a social revolution against the elites…..okay, you may see that as hopelessly over optimistic, but it beats just hating anyone who is different to you on principle……and without having anything constructive to say, except send them back where they came from and let us get on with being quietly tyrannised by our rulers just like always….

        16. the social stress and instability and all around lowering of living standards, will lead to a realisation by ordinary people of all backgrounds that they are all being exploited by our controllers and everyone has become impoverished together…. -Steven

          This is another problem, Steven. The majority of the people will realize exactly what the TV tells them to realize. Its not that I think the bulk of humanity are stupid. I do, however, think the system controlling what they think, is that good.

        17. Hi Rich,

          I didn’t address the ” big problem” because I wasn’t commenting on the big problem. .I was commenting on taxpayers funding welfare

          If you think that the ” System” has a plan for when the money wheel stops turning and that the ” System” will control all that people think through TV or whatever…that’s fine, you’re accepting we the people have already lost and there cannot be a way of escaping our servitude….if that’s so, then any discussion, any point of view is worthless….that’s also fine, if that’s how you want to see it…..

        18. Never mind, Steven. It is quite clear to me now that you are a professional arguer, and have nothing to offer. I shan’t waste any more of your time.

        19. Recynd, I’ve been reluctant to comment on this subject. It is much too large in many ways to handle in a “comments” section.

          I look at this more as a continuance than a “new” thing. Sure, there are new technological developments that alter the approach, but the dynamic hasn’t changed in several millennia.

          In tribal cultures some were farming and, therefore, land became “wealth”. Some were nomads who took from others who were “rooted”. When industry and manufacturing became prevalent “money” became the medium of control.

          In this day, money is both a medium of control and a commodity as well. It isn’t about acquiring wealth, it is about preventing the eaters from having the means of caring for themselves.

          Our allotted fate is to be dependent. The higher the level of dependence, the greater the control. When I look back into history I find no examples of it ever being any other way.

          Perhaps the real question is; “why do people allow this?”. We touch on the reasons, here and there, but, really, there are and have always been, many more of “us” than there are “them”.

          If history is any guide, it doesn’t appear that there will be an epiphany in our future. When all is collapsing into an untidy heap, we go to those who helped to collapse it and ask for help.

          One way to look at this is that people of faith have obligations to live in accord with their beliefs. Those don’t, and shouldn’t, come from governments.

          We bind ourselves to governments and “leaders”. When we do that and they fail us, those ties must be severed. When a government murders people in “our” name, do we wish to assume responsibility for those choices? Did anyone ask us?

          In society government has a function. A very limited one. To function it must be trusted. It should never be feared or allowed to pursue actions that are contrary to the public weal or the benefit of the societies they serve.

          In the West, and I dare say, beyond, we see that the norm is for governments to impose their agendas on their subjects. Lately, they are collectivizing. They clearly want the world as their oyster. Once they have it the culling will begin.

          So, it doesn’t matter whether I’m reading about Britain, or Germany, or France, whatever, the message I’m hearing is that their governments are telling them to sit down and shut up.

          To me, the real oddity in this is that people are. A truly healthy response would be for these people to be chased down the streets.

        20. Were this simply “normal” immigration, I could support the idea that “there’s always room for one more”. This is an invasion. It is not accidental, either.

          This is designed to create chaos and economic strain. In other words, rather than do this a little at a time, they are just pulling the plug and flushing the bathwater.

          It is very clear that these EU lackeys all know what’s going on here. A significant number are not your “normal people” either. When someone enters another country with that level of demanding arrogance, something is amiss.

          This is an attempt to use people’s good moral sensibilities against them. If they were destitute in their own countries they wouldn’t get far begging with those attitudes.

          I think a significant number of them have been trained to behave this way. They are smiling because they know their behavior is over the top. That was what they were supposed to do.

          They were counting on the guard’s restraint at the borders. Many of them simply walked right past the armed guards. Now, picture yourself home alone, after Obatolla disarms us. They’re coming to pay you a visit. What would you do?

          Your “leaders” tell you to just let them rape, plunder and burn. After all, its the least you can do. This is what happens when people become dependent on governments.

        21. Yeah…no. I won’t be letting anyone have their way with me or mine. I may not be able to ward off the military, but with what we’ve (my family) got, we can hold our own against a small tribe.

          No, I could never imagine going into a foreign country (or home, or church, or wherever) and not being a grateful and humble guest. If I couldn’t manage that, I’d leave.

          When I’m at my computer rather than on my phone I’ll tell the story (if I haven’t already) of the transsexual at a women’s meeting I used to attend. Similar concept.

        22. Okay, so, back in the ’00s, I used to attend recovery meetings (please dont judge me!) in an area that has a wide array of daily meetings of all types. My “home” meeting was a small women’s group, which had been meeting weekly for about six or eight months.

          One evening, before the meeting started, in sashayed “Linda”, a 6’3″ mostly-pre-op MTF transsexual. Picture a lumberjack wearing a brown curly wig and blue eyeliner…that was Linda.

          Though we were all clearly uncomfortable (this was nearly 15 years ago, mind you), no one said anything, and the meeting got underway. During share-time, Linda said that she was looking for a group where she could “really feel comfortable”, where there were other women to relate to. And then she got really…personal. Dirty-personal. TMI-personal. It was horrible, and we all just sat there and took it.

          Wig and makeup not withstanding, Linda was a MAN…and a drama-prone, nasty one at that. Linda had been around the program for a while, apparently, attending many other meetings in the area, and creating chaos wherever “she” went.

          Linda never asked the group leaders if it was cool if she attended our all-women’s group (some of the girls even brought their school-aged kids once in a while), but instead blindsided the group. It felt like a big “F-You”: she intentionally inflicted herself on a functional, gender-homogeneous group, without any consideration as to whether or not the group wanted her (him) there.

          One of the group’s originators called headquarters to find out if we had the right to be selective re: group membership. According to the charter, apparently, we couldn’t. (Turns out, even stag meetings–which have been around forever and serve a valuable purpose–aren’t kosher…which is a terrible shame.) After a couple of weeks, our group decided to disband rather than succumb to the tyranny of the tranny.

          There are people in this world (a lot more than I would have guessed) that are more than willing to cut off their nose to spite their face. Just like the military-age males stampeding into countries not their own, “Linda” didn’t care a whit about what WE wanted (a female-only environment for an hour once a week), only what S/HE wanted. Well, none of us got what we wanted. How nice.

          Mission accomplished?

        23. Recynd..

          Very well told story…I particularly enjoyed ”the tyranny of the tranny” lol

          As a Brit, I’m not sure what a ‘ recovery meeting’ is, unless you mean like AA …. and I’ve never heard the term ‘ TMI-personal’ , although I have the feeling I may not want to know what that means!

        24. You got it, Steven: it was a 12-Step group (NA/Narcotics Anonymous); what drug problems I had were nearly life-long (though off and on), but are now, finally, dealt with. I’ve been “clean and sober” for nearly 10 years now, and though I no longer attend meetings or work a program, I would in a second if I needed to.

          “TMI” stands for “Too Much Information”, when someone over-shares personal information (like now?? I hope not…).

          Hope this clarifies!

        25. Hey Recynd,

          Sorry…didn’t intend to press for TMI ( I like that phrase now )…

          To level it up, I will share that I’m also around ten years drug free…. after stupidly throwing away all the best parts of my life by behaving badly as a result of heavy drug use…. I never joined any groups though, couldn’t make myself do that, just stayed home alone and stared at the walls for a few years… lol…. all healthy again now, if occasionally slightly irritated at my far more uneventful existence…

        26. Good to meet a “fellow traveler”. Whatever works for you! Life IS more “boring” in some ways, but I think it’s really “maturity”. I was an emotional adolescent for far too many years, and I don’t miss it at all. Nor do I miss being chained to a substance; I always thought that addiction was like being imprisioned by a sadistic dwarf…you SHOULD be able to get away, but you can’t.

          Anyway, good on you 🙂

        27. Wow, what a story. You think she would have just started her own trans group, but you’re probably right that she just wanted to disrupt every women’s groups around. Pretty messed up. She must have been resentful or something.

          I don’t know why “inclusivity” caters to the individual without taking into account the temperament and needs of the established group.

          It’s an idea broken on the back of a black/white, either/or divide. Not very creative.

        28. The reason I told this story is that it reminded me–at a sub-micro-level–of the immigrant who comes into a country, refuses to assimilate in any way, makes financial and cultural demands on those already there, and then wonders why everything goes to crap.

          Or the immigrant who goes to a country with the intent to turn things to crap by refusing to assimilate and making financial and cultural demands upon those already there.

          I don’t know which category Linda fell in, but the result was the same: total disintegration of the established group.

        29. Mick…I cant argue with you…your views are too extreme and I won’t pollute my mind by focusing on them….

          I will say one thing…your views are hopelessly simplistic…for example…immigrant men rape white European girl ….therefore ( your view) deport the perps and all other refugees…

          every day in America

          white European descended Americans rape white American girls in the US …. therefore ( following your logic) deport the perp and all others of his ethnicity, maybe all English, or Dutch, or Irish americans who immigrated in his grandfather’s generation….
          No? Why not? How is it different? That’s a rhetorical question… I have no interest in your answer

          yeah, Im an old hippy, all love and peace, I believe in Lennon ( Imagine there’s no countries, it isn’t hard to do, no one to kill or fight for,, no religion too), but I’m glad I’m me and not a bitter and twisted individual like some …..including your ”intelligence” services who were scared to death that Lennon would wake up too many people,so had him killed…

          I lived round the corner from Lennon in Liverpool, didn’t know him personally, but knew people who did…. I have never set foot in your country because of that and I never will…. sorry for the rant ..see your polluting my vibe, man, all those negative waves…..

        30. I am not at all bitter. It is fairly simple to distinguish between a rational immigration policy and a massive overrun of borders by young well trained, aggressive arrogant males.

          It doesn’t take the intellect of a giant to ask why this mayhem was not happening before all of this began. It is really so simple. “my intelligence sources?” `I want some of what you are smoking.

          For your next vacation I suggest you hire out a private plane and hang glide into Saudi Arabia. After all nothing is real, nothing to get hung about, no countries, no nationalities.

          By the way Lennon was M16, maybe you are also 🙂

        31. Dub,

          Lennon would Never be MI6 or CIA, maybe that’s why they did what they did to him.

          Chapman is No accident..IMHO

          Kurt Cobain saw the same fate.

        32. By intelligence services I was referring to your FBI
          MI6 Me? Ha ha, funny….
          The closest I’ve got to MI6 is, probably, being on their watch list for my anti establishment views, I’m one of those dangerous dissidents… lol

        33. Ha, ha, MI6 probably has both your photos. I’ve heard that J. Edgar Hoover used to sit in his tutu and fantasize about strangling Lennon.

          Don’t forget, in the New World Odor they all share.

        34. Yeah, Lophatt, without a doubt…they share it all and I would be most upset if I wasn’t known over there too… I just spent the last 15 years or so on some fairly out there American inter webby places…

        35. That’s why I told Dub, Lennon would Never hook up with MI6 or CIA on any level and they Knew it.

          That’s why when he made a come back in ’79 he met his fate thru Chapman, who is CIA. He’s in prison but gets weekends off to visit his family..Right.

          He is NOT in Prison.

          ” I’ve heard that J. Edgar Hoover used to sit in his tutu and fantasize about strangling Lennon.” Haha

          There I go again, Brown nosing Per “Jonny Wanes”

          Up and Coming Troll in his own right….

  25. Jon Rappoport has an excellent new article, link below.

    https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2015/10/21/the-plan-for-the-end-of-europe-the-new-ussr/

    Excerpt:
    ~In the old days, the East German police kept records on every citizen and blanketed the population with snitches and spies. The modern Surveillance State has replaced that, searching for “nodes of discontent.”~

    Now over to modern day snitches, spies and nodes of discontent.

    http://www.newstimes.com/news/article/Malloy-endorses-Say-Something-program-at-6584490.php

    Excerpts:
    ~“We know that the Say Something program can create a real difference by empowering students to look out for each other,” said Hockley, who lost a son in the 2012 massacre. “We’re thankful to Governor Malloy for his commitment and support in spreading this across Connecticut.”~

    ~Danbury students themselves have been promoting the Say Something program through their own channels since the start of the year. They planned a day of wearing green on Friday to show solidarity with Say Something principles.~

    1. What kind of psychos expect people to believe they need to watch Harry at the supermarket, when hundreds of thousands are arriving by the boat load, people from countries who cut your head off for looking cross eyed, declare they intend to dominate the world, circumcise women, nobody knows what type plague they are carrying, beat women down in the street cowboy style, and then the governments tell you they are going to put you away if you criticize the program and if you don’t like it, leave the country?

      I like to call it the matrix unraveling.

        1. Finally, someone recognizes my hipness!

          I wasn’t a mother yet (I was pregnant in ’97); we lived in Seattle from ’94-’97, while my husband did his doctoral coursework and took his comps at the UW. A girlfriend of mine from college happened to move there around the same time. While hub slaved away in the library, she and I ran wild…there was so much to do, and so much good music then! Though I did not/do not support the politics of the Riot Grrrl scene, it was a very chick-centric movement (obviously): girls were nice to each other for a change, and it made for a very fun environment.

          I was also a zine-queen: I wrote for Pills-a-Go-Go, and even published a zine of my own. Those three years (or two, not counting my pregnancy) were sort of a fare-thee-well to my youth (I had a protracted youth…longer than most).

          To think: it’s been 20 years now!

        2. Riot Grrrl, Recynd!!!! Yeah!

          Your hipness has been seriously under-estimated. What a scene that must have been. So fun! You should post your favorite video, zine-queen.

          Thanks for sharing this part of your back-story, Recynd. So cool. Thanks.

          The Lunachicks aren’t from the northwest, but they may be channeling:
          https://youtu.be/UO-qjKEcLZg

        3. We had some special girls in the 60’s too

          Here’s Janis from ’67…. I’m a guy but I wore trousers(pants) like that in ’67 too…and I spent , like, a million hours listening to her and Grace Slick and Joni and whoa, I can’t go on …..
          Enjoy
          https://youtu.be/Bld_-7gzJ-o

        4. No doubt about that, S–I was pretty partial to Grace Slick myself, but I’m too young (ha!) to have gotten to see any of those groups…I wasn’t even born until ’68.

          I bet anyone much older than me wouldn’t have been much aware of how great the 90s actually were, musically. That decade would have slipped right past me if I hadn’t been where I was when I was. And then along came Britney Spears and ruined everything (like Kurt Cobain did to 80’s hair-rock)…

        5. I guess we all get with the music that affected us in our teens and 20’s forever… how could I get past the summer of ’70 when I was a part of a crowd of half a million people who spent a weekend in an English field, listening to some of the top bands in the world playing for us including Grace Slick with Jefferson Airplane, Pink Floyd, The Byrds,, The Who, Fleetwood Mac, lots more

          Thanks for those girl bands I never heard of and the Rev from Toni…you two have given me lots to explore!

          love and peace

          S

        6. There is a terrific documentary on Netflix (I think; either that or Amazon Prime) about Ginger Baker, the madman drummer from bands such as “Cream” (“Beware of Mr. Baker” is the title). Check it out…you will run across familiar friends, I think.

        7. Thanks for that title…I will watch it..

          I saw Cream live, they played on my University campus in Liverpool my first year…never saw a drummer like Ginger, before or since…

          I saw The Beatles when I was 12….. never heard a note because of the screaming, but I was near the front and I can still see them on stage in my mind even though it was 50 years ago

          My favourite band back in the day was The Doors, they only came to England once, I think, did one festival, one weekend and I couldn’t make it…so it goes…

          S

        8. Wow…I’ve never heard of Jon Bonamassa, but he sure sounds familiar. Like heavy Eric Clapton. Good stuff. I bet he put on a helluva show!

        9. Yeah, he’s been around about 25 years. He was a child prodigy. He played with Eric Clapton, B.B. King and Les Paul. This piece is from a London show.

          He changes his line up from time to time. Recently he toured Europe with Beth Hart. THAT was quite a show.
          Here’s a clip:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVRbajsztig

  26. http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/604769/Migrant-crisis-north-England-David-Cameron-Syrian-refugees

    “DAVID Cameron’s promise to take in 20,000 Syrian immigrants will spark a deep North/South divide across Britain with a single working class northern town taking more refugees than the entire affluent South East region.”

    With no end in sight to the flow of migrants into Europe, if the sheer numbers of people do not explode the wealthiest landmasses of that continent, their national budgets surely will go up in flames. Who is going to pay for everyone in the end? Today and tomorrow may not look so bleak, but 10-20 years from now?

    One definition of crisis: A condition of instability or danger, as in social, economic, political, or international affairs, leading to a decisive change.

    As for assimilation by the newcomers into their new environments, Wales for instance demands that the Welsh learn the customs of their new neighbors instead. Check out their directives.

    Concerned observers who can see where this is going is not necessarily cold hearted, but possess some old fashioned common sense. In my old country people are selling their homes, with much fanfare in the media, to go and live among the newcomers thinking their good intentions will be put to use there. The outcome of that remains to be seen.

    One cold, hard fact is that the billions of poor and disenfranchised of the world cannot be rescued by a few wealthy nations opening their borders and homes. The other cold hard fact is that this is a deliberate and well organized operation starting with the bombing and destruction of certain countries, followed by mass migration of the newly homeless to nations where the so called leaders have orders to roll out the welcome mat. On the bandwagon jump misfits, opportunists and criminals. Who can tell them apart from the truly needy? This is how the cartel orchestrates conquer and divide in the 21st century with desired and expected goals.

    Sure, there were mass migrations in the past, but not in a world of billions and billions of people as today. And what is wrong with not having so many children to increase the native populations in Scandinavia for instance? Do 10 million make a better country than 5 million? I think not. However, the controllers of the world have a price tag on each head of human cattle, and the more heads they can count, the richer they get. It is all about money and control for the few who never get enough at the expense of everyone and everything.

    The cartel elite so far has not suffered any consequences of this mass migration of their doing, rather the opposite. But when new diseases and new ghettos encroach on their gated and secure domains, when the bourgeois of the host countries have attained third world status and no longer can sustain the status-quo with labor and taxes, the fairy tale castles on the hill and even the shiny underground cities may be in danger as well.

    We live in interesting times.

    1. Hi Anne…interesting article, largely reflects the points I’ve been trying to make on this thread… especially the penultimate paragraph…… as I said in a previous comment, this influx of migrants, orchestrated by our controllers, will backfire on them…. lets be patient, see this as a positive in terms of the bigger picture…the instability and possible civil unrest arising out of all this immigration could result in a huge backlash against the Elite and bring about a fairer world, with real freedom and liberty, that we all want to see after thousands of years of our servitude to the few…

    2. Anne and Steven, as you’ve both said, there are many ways to see this. I do not think for a minute that this sudden exodus is coincidental.

      Just as our “leaders” claim that we live in democracies, but set about running their owner’s agenda despite our wills, this is but another facet of the same plan.

      They want a homogenous, disenfranchised mass, worldwide. They want no cultural consistency or national traits to cause opposition.

      This “clash of civilizations” is much like biological warfare. The attitudes displayed by the “host” countries is telling. After all, isn’t their primary purpose to protect their citizens?

      It seems rather that they are all collectively telling their constituents that they will simply have to get used to this. They are saying that their owner’s plans are all that matter.

      When someone plans to leave their culture and move to another there are certain minimum standards of behavior that must be observed. The expectation should not be that the receiving culture modify its behavior to better suit the stranger’s concepts.

      This is very basic. What we are seeing is unusual. It seems designed to create chaos. To me it seems obvious that these young men demanding money and stamping on the gifts they’ve been given have been trained to do so. Their behavior is designed to elicit a response.

      People in the Middle East certainly understand the concept of hospitality. Normally it is seen as an obligation. They also understand what an insult is.

      From where I sit this looks custom made as some sort of “human weapon”. In exploring my memory of history I can think of no correlation. It is not normal for the invaded to throw open its doors to the invader.

      This appears to be a massive, contrived assault and a monstrous human rights violation. The leaders of the affected countries are cooperating with their own people’s demise.

      1. They want a homogenous, disenfranchised mass, worldwide. They want no cultural consistency or national traits to cause opposition.-lophatt

        They want Babel.

        1. They want Babel, and rather than let it happen organically, like last time, they intend to shame humanity into it.

        1. As usual, its hard to argue with that. One way to think of this is that the EU is cramming this down Europe’s throat, like it or not. That’s what the lady in Mick’s video with Angela Merkel was talking about; “Europe must learn to be multi-cultural, or be destroyed”. Think about that. Says who?

          I suppose those people getting wetted down and pepper sprayed in the streets aren’t Europeans? One would think they have a say int this, no?

          We have the same here. The Big “O” opens the borders, imports others from afar, demands special privileges for them, at our expense. We get “austerity”.

          Sound familiar? Why its almost like they work for the same boss. Apparently, you don’t even need to be a citizen to vote. All you need is a California driver license. When did that change?

          My sense is that they are unlikely to stop this on their own.

    3. Ha, ha, I just visualized them in Berkshire. Can you imagine the communication problems? Mummerset vs Swahili. I’m sure the Swahili is easier to understand.

  27. When I get to the bottom I go back to the top of the slide…

    I hate these endless threads, trapped in the last column.

    This is for Steven.

    You said this to me: “I’m with you in believing our controllers see a huge win for them by mixing up immigrants with locals in Europe and America…”

    Not a chance. Because I don’t think that. At all. As I mentioned, we in America have had wave after wave of immigration from unfamiliar cultures, and it did not destroy American culture–it only strengthened and enriched it. Who could imagine American culture without Irving Berlin or George Gershwin? Francis Ford Coppola? Elia Kazan (Greek)? Mike Royko (Polish)? Brian Wilson (Swedish)?

    You completely misunderstand what I’m trying to explain to you.

    You also say to me: “…but it beats just hating anyone who is different to you on principle” Well, yes, it does. But who is advocating that? There might be wild lunatics somewhere in the world who talks like that, but not around here. Who is advocating “hate”? Defending one’s culture from invasion is an expression of love, not hate. You have a very strange way of reading what people write to you, if you can invert the sentiments that way.

    You mention also something about my not “having anything constructive to say, except send them back where they came from…”, which is another strange thing to say, that evidences your not having understood my meaning. You express the same misunderstanding in your reply to Rich, when you say:

    “If you think that the ” System” has a plan for when the money wheel stops turning and that the ” System” will control all that people think through TV or whatever…that’s fine, you’re accepting we the people have already lost and there cannot be a way of escaping our servitude….if that’s so, then any discussion, any point of view is worthless….that’s also fine, if that’s how you want to see it…..”

    Neither I nor Rich are saying any such thing. If the system is rigged, and you cannot win, it is a very constructive thing to identify that fact, and plan accordingly. Mental preparation, not dreamy imaginings, are the proper course. If the enemy is about to take your position, it’s best not to pretend it’s not about to happen. Opening one’s eyes, and talking about what one sees, is VERY constructive indeed, and it is absolutely false to say that “any discussion, any point of view is worthless” once you have correctly concluded that “we the people have already lost and there cannot be a way of escaping our servitude.” Pretending it’s not happening is the way of foolishness–because that means you are not preparing yourself for the coming storm.

    1. Rather than make the comment too long, I append it with this reflection on the inevitability of civilizational clashes.

      I start my book How the West Was Lost with a discussion of Sam Huntington’s book The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order. It is essential reading, and my own book could not have been written if I had not read it. It offers inessential key to the world we now face.

      Intra-civilizational immigration might be hard to cope with, but it is not suicidal (or homicidal, as the current Mohammedan invasion of Europe is). It took a long time for Irish to become normal Americans. Poles and Italians, too. They were simply too different from the culture they were entering. But they all eventually became indistinguishable from anyone else.

      Orientals are an interesting assimilation story (I don’t like the political dictatorship that demands we call them “Asians,” because that would include India, which is quite a different thing). Chinese, Japanese, Koreans and Vietnamese are from an alien civilization, but when they enter the West, their confucian set of assumptions about the world, while entirely different, do not inevitably lead to clash.

      Obviously, the same is indeed true of Hindu civilization–while Indians are relative newcomers to America, and have assimilated well, here. But they have a much longer history in Africa, and while they are as pleasant and accommodating there as they are here, African civilizational assumptions have created genuine antipathy. Idi Amin, in fact, drove them all out, centuries after they immigrated there.

      Which brings me to the bloodiest war (per capita) in American history: King Phillip’s War.

      When the Pilgrims arrived in America, they regarded the natives they encountered in the most natural way a Christian people would: they were heathens, God’s children who were ignorant of the Revelation of the Incarnation of God and His path to rescue from sin. So they learned the Algonquin languages, and set about translating the Bible into them. Huge numbers of Indians were converted: soon, there were as many Christian Indian villages as English ones (they were deeper inland; the English stayed near the coast, for the most part).

      But King Phillip did not like this. His people were abandoning their civilization, and taking on a whole different set of cultural assumptions (Christianity is indeed a universal “civilization” that, uniquely, people of any civilization can join and truly be a new creation). He could see this process spelling the end of HIS civilization. Also, the English let their domesticated animals roam free in the forests, which were his peoples’ hunting grounds, and the wildlife had largely retreated–so there was an economic element, as well.

      So he fought back. Savagely. So savagely that all the Christian Indian villages were destroyed in the most hideous ways imaginable, and the population of New England was cut in half. It took many decades to recover.

      King Phillip’s War seared the minds of the English settlers. The original Puritan optimism about rescuing the heathen from their spiritual ignorance was gone forever, and it informed America’s dealings with the Indians from then on. If not for King Phillip’s War, the slaughter of the Plains Indians would not have happened. Lincoln’s generals would never have said “the only good Indian is a dead Indian.”

      So, what’s my point? Starry-eyed dreaminess can’t trump reality. Civilizations clash, because they are incompatible. As they said in the Old West pictures, “this town ain’t big enough for both of us.”

      Our masters, the crafters of the New World Order, know this. They are not flooding Europe with Japanese or Indians or Koreans, who would probably blend in just as well as they did in America. They are sending young, hostile, Moslem males–because they know that the ensuing clash is unavoidable. They are NOT going to blend in.

      1. Patrick and Rich,

        Both of you are misunderstanding or reaching false conclusions about some of my viewpoints.
        At the same time, both of you are claiming that I’m misunderstanding or reaching false conclusions about your viewpoints…

        The truth is probably somewhere in the middle… I agree with a lot of what you say and you seem to agree with some of my points, whilst ending up with different conclusions from the material we are talking about…

        We all see the TPTB having intentionally caused, or at least passively stood by as this new wave of immigration sweeps into western Europe. We can agree, I think, that a crisis in relations between locals and the new arrivals will occur if these huge numbers continue and the consequent costly effects on local economies ensue….

        I don’t claim to have an answer to any of this and I don’t see any constructive answers from you. You say its important to be mentally prepared and to talk about the problems….yes it is, but that isn’t a solution ….
        are you preppers? Are you planning to become survivalists, hiding out in the Ozarks? I’ve considered those steps over the past few years, although not because of a fear of being swamped by immigrants or civil strife from worsening economic conditions….

        until very recently, my concerns were in an entirely different area of future conditions and no I don’t really want to get into what that was…I spent more than ten years contributing to specialist websites on that particular issue and it eventually consumed me .
        but talking this kind of politics is new to me and this discussion reminds me of the endless circles I got lost in before, so

        I don’t think we can usefully take this forward, so I’m leaving this topic now…

        I have enjoyed it all and hope there is no ill feeling anywhere…. I look forward to participating in other topics, especially the false flag discussions and so on, if you will allow me

        S

        1. No, not a prepper. Ready for an emergency maybe. Beyond that, I don’t have any delusions of surviving an apocalypse. That’s not to say I wouldn’t give it a shot though.

          I have had my say. No harm done. TA very much.

    2. Patrick,
      It is called the techniques of forum disruption. You pretend to not understand, advocate the trivial and absurd, pretend you do not absorb simple facts, waste bandwidth, present the impression to a casual reader that possibly the majority of the respondents may be clueless, make legitimate responses difficult to locate, sow tension, produce high drama.

      It is all done with goal of lowering the interest in any particular blog, to discourage readers, have them push along and possibly go elsewhere.

      The goal is to always be in a position to steer the conversation in another direction in case something of importance is touched upon. In this instance it is to be attacked vociferously.

        1. Ok Guys.

          You any one of you answer “Yes” to any of the statements

          You May Be Muslim:

          You refine heroin for a living, but you have a moral objection to liquor. You may be a Muslim

          You own a $3,000 machine gun and $5,000 rocket launcher, but you can’t afford shoes..
          You may be a Muslim

          You have more wives than teeth. You may be a Muslim

          You wipe your butt with your bare hand, but consider bacon unclean.
          You may be a Muslim

          You think vests come in two styles: bullet-proof and suicide. You may be a Muslim

          You can’t think of anyone you haven’t declared Jihad against. You may be a Muslim

          You consider television dangerous, but routinely carry explosives in your clothing.
          You may be a Muslim

          You were amazed to discover that cell phones have uses other than setting off roadside bombs.
          You may be a Muslim

          You have nothing against women and think every man should own at least four.
          You may be a Muslim

          Your cousin is president of the United States. You may be a Muslim

          You find this offensive or racist and don’t forward it. You may be a Muslim

          Just a Joke People

        2. I think he was taking credit for the “vociferously attacking” part, and not the “forum disruption”.

  28. This is from yesterday, I never could get it to post. I will waste yours and my time, one last time.

    ….while you are all busy arguing about wanting to defame and expel the refugees for the crime of being non European and non- white ,our controllers are quietly tightening the noose of police state fascist tyranny over all of us….,-Steven

    Steven, you say they are going too far with multiculturalism, yet don’t seem to want to blame mass immigration as being the driver of this. Most people don’t mind controlled immigration(myself included), but we don’t want a mindset that cannot be assimilated coming along with it. Most of us don’t want to wake up in ten years seeing crowds of people on TV demanding Sharia, like in your country. That mindset seems much happier under dictators like Assad, Hussein, Abdullah, and the Saudi king. Let me be the first to admit that trying to bring democracy to those places was and is a stupid idea(and wasn’t really the goal anyway). Of course, no one here really knows what democracy is anyway, since we are supposed to live in a Constitutional Republic.

    The divide and conquer of which you speak will come from the collapse of our economies as they try to feed, clothe, and give health care to all these folks. This is what we do not want. This will trigger a new system, the loss of cash(the last bit of privacy we have left), people whose economic life will be turned off with the stroke of a key. The governments of the world, mine included, or rather especially, are out of control. They do not give one toss about what their people want. Do you really think having tens of millions of jobless, illiterate people in the country is going to help one bit when the collapse comes?

    How will people be able to pick up the pieces and form a new government that listens to them, when they are in the midst of civil war? They won’t. They will get a New World Order formed out of chaos. Hell.

      1. I thought that was funny..Oh well

        Taking my Geritol and getting into my Health Advantage supplied hospital bed…

        He’s no fun, he fell right over…Firesign Theater

    1. Hey, Recynd
      I wrote a response to this comment of yours but it didn’t post! Nor is it in moderation. Plus it won’t let me try it again. Says something like “Looks like you’ve already said that.” So IT thinks I’ve posted.

      Sigh. I will figure some way around it and let you know.

      1. I’ve gotten that same message before.

        I can’t ever tell what comments of mine post and which don’t unless I get a response…there are usually too many comments to bother scrolling through to check. I appreciate your follow-up comment, and I’ll keep my eye peeled for the original.

    1. Sue, I don’t see evidence of your contention in the article you link to.

      Also, I wonder, reading the article itself, if you have a coherent view of the matter. My understanding is that you do not believe the people group in question should ever have been settled in Europe to begin with, and it is a fine thing, to you, that they were rounded up and extracted from all the villages in every country the German army gained access to.

      If I’m right about that–and I’m fairly certain I am–the question becomes, WHERE DO YOU BELIEVE THEY BELONG?

      Certainly, they now have a place to live, where no one can put them in ghettos, or the away their ability to fight back against attackers. Their historical homeland. Thousands of years living there, thousands of years displaced from it, home again.

      Do you think that place should be boycotted? If so, where should that unique people group relocate to, in your opinion? A despicable crone, just before she was expelled from the Washington press core, told a reporter a few years ago that they should go back to Germany and Poland–even though most of them are by now third generation citizens of their ancestral homeland. Do YOU think like that old bat? Or do you think they should be driven into the sea?

      I’ve always found your opinion on this matter interesting, but I still don’t know what you think about this aspect. Are you in favor of the boycott?

      1. Re-reading my in-moderation comment, two typos I can’t abide: “in ghettos, or the away their ability” should be “in ghettos, or TAKE away their ability”

        Also, “core” should obviously be “corps.” Homonym. My mistake, not Apple’s.

        As long as we’re here, though, I like this: “yet they actively push for the invasion and genocide of european ones.”

        “They.”

        Yep.

        My name is Patrick Michael Murphy. About four generations ago some schlubs came over from Ireland. To read my name, you might make me out to be a “they.” But I have as much connection to Ireland as does the Polak on the next barstool, whose ancestors arrived on these shores a century ago, is connected to Poland.

        “They.”

        Give me a break.

      2. You seem to be misinterpreting or just plain missing my point, which was to expose how utterly hypocritical the jews are. On the one hand they claim their nation can’t be ‘discriminated against.’ yet they constantly work to do well more than that to european nations. It’s the hypocrisy of the jews that’s at issue.

        You seem to lack coherence on this matter. You claim Israel is their homeland yet champion their supposed ‘right’ to live in Europe?! What? Further, the jews were militantly segregationist in Europe so the notion that these ghettos were somehow forced upon them is totally inaccurate. ‘Ghetto’ also doesn’t mean low income urbanity either, I assume many readers know; it just denotes a neighborhood of homogeneous people.

        The jews are not indigenous europeans and hence have absolutely no right whatsoever to live in Europe. Their sole intention in relocating there was colonialist and imperialist; they wanted to parasite off of the european masses. It’s not my concern what happens between semitic peoples of the Middle East, frankly. But the article I linked to references France. No one ‘displaced’ the jews into Europe, Patrick. They ‘displaced’ themselves there with sinister and vile intentions. Read the Talmud if you aren’t familiar.

        1. This is very strange. You linked to an article about the vile, despicable, evil, boycott of Israel having its head handed to it in France, and then said:” In 2003 the jews got nations added to the list of groups who can’t be ‘discriminated’ against, yet they actively push for the invasion and genocide of european ones.”

          I don’t know where you got the idea that “the jews,” whatever that is, got the power to add “nations” to a “list of groups who can’t be ‘discriminated’ against.” What is that list? Who enforces it? How do “the Jews” access the mechanism to add new countries to it? Who else does it? How often?

          What countries did “the Jews” have added to that list in 2003? Based on what? What are you talking about?

          An what is this thing you speak of, “the Jews”? My pal Irving tells me it’s not him. I believe him. Whatever this thing you are talking about, “the Jews,” Irving, a Jew, clearly ain’t it.

          Anyway, Sue, and you know that I like you, it is not I who be “misinterpreting,” or “missing your point.” You have not made your point, so far as I can tell. Here’s this:

          “…how utterly hypocritical the jews are.” What? You say “On the one hand they claim their nation can’t be ‘discriminated against.’ “ But Israel IS being attacked by a coordinated boycott. It CAN be ‘discriminated against.’ It IS being discriminated against. And it doesn’t like it. Who can blame it for complaining about it, and asking that the discrimination stop? Israel proclaims that it IS being discriminated against, as the very boycott your article talks about demonstrates. Did you even read the article you linked to?

          You say “they constantly work to do well more than that to [i.e. discrimination against] european nations.” How? I can’t even imagine what you’re talking about. Israel wants trade, not hostility, with Europe; it’s Europe that wants hostility, not trade, with Israel.

          Your next point is historically false on every level. Jews were the largest minority in the Roman empire; they had lived in Europe from before the time of Christ. To say they had no right to live there is like saying that the Romans had no right to live there. You say that “the jews were militantly segregationist in Europe,” but that is simply ridiculous. They were PASSIVELY segregationist, in that they always, because of Mosaic Law, necessarily were quite different, but open hostility to them often added to that natural reality. It is why there are no Jebusites or Amorites anymore; the Jews are the only ancient race that was conquered and banished from their land, yet retained its language and culture for thousands of years, no matter how widely scattered it became.

          You say “The jews are not indigenous europeans and hence have absolutely no right whatsoever to live in Europe.”

          Too bad no one told that to the Romans, who welcomed and admired their participation in Roman life. And after Rome fell, who could have removed all of them, in, say, A.D. 500? And where would they have been banished to? The mind reels, in the guessing. By A.D. 500, they had been living in Europe for more than half a millennium, and then someone tells them they have no right to live there. Hearty laughs all around.

          Still, the point remains: the article you linked to is about the Boycott movement, which is intended to delegitimize the country of the Jews, with the object of eliminating it. You don’t think they should live in Europe, that they should never have been there (regardless of the fact the Romans had no trouble with it), but you seem to advocate the delegitimization of Israel. So the question is still hating in the air, waiting for your answer:

          If they don’t belong in Europe, and the boycott movement is worthy of your support, where do you suggest they belong?

          Now, I also take it that you are of the opinion that even though the Germans hoovered up every Jew from every hamlet in Europe, however isolated, they did not do that so that they could kill them–even though none of them ever returned to their pre-war homes. This is, to me, admittedly, an insane argument, but I’ll allow you it with the assumption there might be something I’m missing. But the core point remains, and you have not answered it: if Hitler was right in removing the Jews from Europe, and they should not be there today, where should they be? If not Israel, where? And if Israel, why would you support the boycott of Israel?

        2. Sue,

          I’m sorry, but that comment was just dumb, especially this part…..

          ”The jews are not indigenous Europeans and hence have absolutely no right to live in Europe”

          Following that logic, you ( child of European colonialists and imperialists) have no right whatsoever to live in Turtle Island, as the indigenous people called the land you now call USA….. you are not indigenous….. so I suggest you sell up and move back to your ancestral homeland immediately….

        3. You say its the hypocrisy of the jews that is at issue…but you are the hypocrite…. you said” the jews are not indigenous Europeans and so have no right to live in Europe” ?You called them colonialist imperialist parasites…..

          Well, unless you’re an Apache or a Sioux or other indigenous American, shouldn’t you be packing your bags? You’re a colonialist and an imperialist…stop parasiting off the natives of Turtle Island

        4. Sue,

          I just read Patrick’s excellent response to your insanely illogical position on the jews…and I would add one point…
          You say..
          ” the jews are not indigenous Europeans so have no right to live in Europe ”

          I say…” Sue, unless you are an Apache or other indigenous native of north America ( or Turtle Island as I believe most indigenous people called their country ), you have no right to live there. Pack your bags, head back to Estonia or Germany or where ever your family colonised from”

          Tell me why my logic is wrong, I can’t wait…

  29. MUSICAL INTERLUDE:
    Riot grrrls (and boyzzz!) go Postmodern

    Scott Bradlee, the piano player hidden by the singer’s mike, is the originator of Postmodern Jukebox, proving that, contrary to the example of the New Inquiry magazine, creativity continues to ferment in New York City.

    https://youtu.be/aLnZ1NQm2uk

    1. Wow, that was amazing! I can’t believe a thread on MHB is introducing me to bands and music I never knew existed…thanks Toni !

  30. I have been wondering when a car was going to be the vehicle for ‘mental illness:’ http://www.newson6.com/story/30345644/osu-parade-suspect-has-pattern-of-mental-illness-is-suicidal-attorney-says

    Of course, it would be malpractice for a defense attorney to not try that angle these days. So far, though, it does appear that weirder stuff than a drunk/drugged young woman plowing into a parade is going on. Even that concept is pretty weird; most drunks see some part of the road in front of them. Diabetic seizures sometimes cause major accidents.

      1. I know, right? When I was in school, we had Oscar, whom I guess was a “school safety officer”, but all he did was give detentions to kids who ditched (me). We were on a first-name basis.

      2. “At 12:06 p.m., after about 20 minutes, the woman on the loudspeaker announced:

        “We are all clear.”

        As the Teachers unlocked all the classroom doors and the police left
        the drill suddenly went Live.!

        A 120lb kid with 400lbs of guns and armor shot out the front window…wait

        That’s the SHES story,

        Never mind….

    1. Recynd,
      Thank God your boy wasn’t in that school. Thank God you’re too smart for that.

      I wouldn’t even want to live near that school. Who knows when it’s gonna go live?

      I say that very same thing as you do everyday – why do people let their kids go to school?

      1. Isn’t it ghastly? And you should see the comments of support for the program. What the hell is wrong with people?

        I may have mentioned that I belong to a neighborhood Facebook group. I am astonished daily by the mindset of my neighbors re: “See something, say something”. We are encouraged to call the police for any reason, if anything at all looks out of place, or even if dogs are left in parked cars (no lie).

        Neighbors called the cops on some teenagers who were driving too fast, skidded around a corner, and ALMOST hit a parked car. If a stranger sits in a parked car too long (5 minutes), they call the police…and brag about it, to much praise and support. There’s shaming over water usage, public rudeness, and door-to-door soliciting.

        I feel like we’re headed to Red China.

        1. Recynd,
          I wonder if the DHS is watching your group. Or is your group “officially” hooked up with the local police anyway, for support?

          I can’t believe they call the cops that easy. It sounds like stuff that is either nobody’s business or something that could be handled personally at the scene. I’ve always said, never call a cop unless you’re ready to see someone die. Cops will always escalate, they don’t de-escalate. And you can’t control the situation once they come.

          I always hate how these neighborhood watch things turn into police themselves. It reminds me of the Stanford prison experiment, that study of the psychological effects of becoming a prisoner or a prison guard. With power, the guards became more and more authoritarian. Really scary.

        2. Could be, Toni, could be. Federal involvement abounds.

          I was shocked at how quickly and easily police are invited to intervene. I’m with you: unless it’s clear life or property is immediately at risk, NO POLICE. I said as much in a post, and it didn’t go over well.

          You want to guess what the majority thought about the removal of vaccine waivers? And most are all for aerial spraying for West Nile, too. Sigh.

  31. Something I heard today I found fascinating.
    I think it was Savage.

    He said what O’king and Merkel are doing is Hitler in reverse.
    Instead of invading countries.

    They are letting the opposition thru illegal immigration violate and conquer their own countries respectively for TPTB.

    Then they destroy their own people and the invaders in one big swoop. End Game.

    We are all slaves…Brilliant

    I found this interesting being the end game for the TPTB is to take over North America and Europe which of course includes Austria /New Zealand/Sweden and so on.

    Bring the conquerors to your country. Let them do their thing. Start a civil wars.
    Install your police state. Win Win.

    You destroy everything accomplished by the Europeans and American’s in one swipe for free !!
    Without a war.

    Everyone loses but the Elites…

      1. Before the Trolls call me a racist:

        I need to do a little rant here.

        This is where I think TPTB and especially the Demonrats and O’Taliban don’t get it.

        90% or more of Illegal aliens are here for a better life Not to Hurt anyone.

        Obummer errors thinking that American Mexican’s will support Illegal immigration and aren’t really American’s at heart and will stand against American People’s and values..Wrong!

        He errors that the Asian’s and Indian’s will join his (TPTHB) racist cause and attack Whites.

        90% of Balcks want a Good life and hate this as much as all of the American Races here.

        We are American’s First!

        F the New World Odor…………

        I smell Mod coming……………

    1. Ric, now that we’ve found the comment, I’ll try to answer you. By the way, I don’t generally click the box for an email – as Toni suggests – I get tons of email and the “pinging” drives me crazy!

      I’m not sure what to infer from the “Hitler” comment. What I will say is that they are all on the staff of the cabal who wants us all under their thumb. Countries mean nothing to them, even if they are elected in some capacity in a particular country.

      Defeating the opposition by BECOMING the opposition is an old trick. Another old trick is dissipating a people’s energy through conflict and chaos. It makes it much easier to install what one wishes to install and they will either not notice, or be too worn out to respond.

      As odd as it may seem, they wish to have everyone despise their governments. When they collapse they will ride in on their chargers with a brand new “solution” for everyone’s woes.

      The EU, NAFTA, TPTP, all of it, is the same thing. It is a supra-democratic government. Whatever laws and regulations pertain to a particular government will be overridden by these “trade” pacts.

      It is ALL for “free”. They simply wish “money” (debt) into existence. It doesn’t cost “them” a dime. They get to “loan” nine more dollars for every dollar that is underwritten. Guess who its underwritten by? If there is a default, they get to collect real property to cover “their” loss.

      All they do is input a few keystrokes and, voila, instant debt. Can’t get much freer than that.

  32. Speaking of predictions made for financial gain, the “Back to the Future” franchise culminated its 30th anniversary PR campaign in a flurry of products “predicted” by the movie.

    There is one predictive video that was not recognized by the franchise, though. It’s called, “BACK TO THE FUTURE predicts 9/11.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1ULjJ3EqyY

    This is, in my opinion, a stealth marketing campaign; that is, a marketing tool that advertises to people without them knowing it.

    I think it was made by the movie producers themselves and released under another name. The video uses now-familiar conspiracy tropes to hype, not just the “Back to the Future” franchise, but also the opening of the new movie “The Walk.”

    Film production, especially for franchises, is coordinated years in advance. Planning publicity is part of pre-production. I wouldn’t be surprised if they backdated the entire production of “The Walk” from a theatre opening coinciding with the date made famous in “Back to the Future.” Thus, the other coincidences between the two movies: the Twin Towers, the actor in “The Walk” dressed like Michael J. Fox’s character, etc. All inserted as part of a publicity plan.

    You can tell this isn’t exactly a home-brewed video because the production values are too high. And it doesn’t look like it was made by someone even trying to be convincing because it doesn’t go anywhere, and instead uses repetition to make it seem like something’s going on.

    And then there’s the fact that the video itself says it’s fake in text. “Ignotum per ignotius,” Latin for “the unknown by the more unknown,” is the title of a slate that calls the video, among the new-agey blather, “perfidious” and a “perversion.”

    And finally, near the end there is another slate of text, surely tongue in cheek, that is a fawning panegyric to Robert Zemeckis, in which the video producers advise the director that these “obscured subtexts” are the “enduring” part of his films, and they hope he will now see them with “fresh eyes.”

    The text is signed, Apophenia Productions.

    Apophenia is the human tendency to perceive meaningful patterns within random data.

    1. Yes, I agree. While it looks predictive, it really wouldn’t be that difficult for the original author to write his new script utilizing scenes from the former. Then he reverses the order and claims that he knew in advance.

      It appears, like you said, to be an “infomercial”. After all, he had over fourteen years to write the new one and draw parallels.

      The “evil Muslim” meme has been around since long before 1985. Indeed, that is why they selected it as the “official” story.

      To boost the sales both of the original franchise and hype the new film, it wouldn’t be too hard to time the release to a line in the original that he wrote. Then he could claim prescience and place scenes in the new film that could be claimed as forecast in the old one.

      Apophenia would be the basis for the new film. That too (he hopes) would help franchise sales as well as at the box office.

      1. “Infomercial” ha

        Yeah, it doesn’t look like it was too successful either, for all the planning. Less than 2 million views.

        Not as viral as they hoped!

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