By James F. Tracy

When mass shootings take place in the United States, corporate news media can almost uniformly be counted on to act as stenographers to power. They dutifully report exactly what they’re told by authorities with wholehearted trust and close to no due diligence. This appears to have been the case yet again in the May 23 Isla Vista California mass murder.

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The public has been propagandized with a familiar storyline that law enforcement authorities have peppered with lurid details–including a disturbing “manifesto” and YouTube soliloquy from a well-to-do yet alienated man who had trouble forging relationships, so he went on a wild shooting spree then committed suicide.

Like numerous other tragic events that cry out for heightened measures against gun ownership, such as the Tucson shooting, the Sikh Temple bloodletting, the Aurora movie theatre massacre, and the Newtown school shooting, initial eyewitness accounts of what took place differ markedly from what news media presented in subsequent reports—those laid out in law enforcement press conferences just hours after the event.

Otto von Bismarck famously remarked, “Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.” In a society where the Second Amendment and gun violence have been vigorously politicized by powerful “reformists” like billionaire Michael Bloomberg, Attorney General Eric Holder, and President Barack Obama, journalists might be well-served by keeping this dictum in mind.

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What became the acceptable storyline remains dubious given initial reports of the event. For example, Michael Vitak, a University of California Santa Barbara student from the Czech Republic, stated in a live televised interview that he saw more than one gunman–“’guys in a BMW. Maybe they were trying to prove they’re tough.’” Vitak claims to have witnessed the men shooting at two girls; one was shot dead, the other was critically injured. “I heard shots, screams, pain,” says Vitak. ‘All emotions. I hope she is going to be fine.’ Vitak asserts it was too dark to see the suspects’ faces.”[1]

Mr. Vitak was one of many bystanders who saw two men carry out the shootings. “Multiple witnesses say they saw two people inside the suspect’s vehicle,” Santa Barbara television station KEYT reported.[2] Another source conveyed how Santa Barbara County Sheriff public information officer Kelly Hoover confirmed that a second suspect had been apprehended.[3] Still, during an early press conference Santa Barbara County Sheriff Bill Brown would neither confirm nor deny whether there was a second suspect, only “that there are multiple scenes and multiple victims and that the situation is fluid.”[4]

Initial reports also describe the event as a series of “drive-by shootings,”  including a documented instance of “hit and run … that left someone with major leg and head trauma.”[5] The Santa Barbara Independent also related “[a]necdotal yet unconfirmed reports” of bystanders “suggest[ing] that the vehicle involved was a black BMW with a passenger shooting a handgun.”[6]

Another witness identified as Sierra said “she was approached by two men in a black BMW. The driver flashed a small black handgun and asked ‘Hey, what’s up?’”[7] “Sierra” said at the time she believed it wasn’t a real gun and continued walking. “Seconds later, she could hear real bullets whistling past her. She managed to escape unharmed into a nearby home filled with strangers also seeking safety” reports.[8]

Perhaps in the midst of concerted activity and scant illumination multiple witnesses might of mistaken the number of individuals in a darkly-hued vehicle recklessly speeding by. Yet here is “Sierra”–a witness who claims to have encountered one of the assailants firsthand. One must therefore ask, Why, with such compelling witness accounts, has the ‘investigation’ been short-circuited in lieu of an arguably far less tenable, even sensationalistic storyline? Indeed, much like the estranged Adam Lanza, who similarly never lived to explain his motivations, the Elliot Rodgers motif closely aligns with gun control legislation and mental health protocols that powerful political interests are hell bent on achieving.

When this author contacted the Santa Barbara County Sheriff’s offices—Isla Vista’s law enforcement arm and the main agency involved in the inquiry—he was told that only those immediately involved in a crime may have access to an incident report, and with regard to the May 23 shooting such documentation would likely not be forthcoming even to those parties.

Initial witness recollections and those of press agent Hoover are corroborated in police dispatch audio, where officers are first cautious to enter into the immediate vicinity of the shootings. The crime scenes were ostensibly established within the jurisdiction of the Santa Barbara County Sheriff. Yet given the drastic circumstances it is difficult to imagine such parameters would be closely adhered to. In the captured audio an officer clearly states that “two suspects with gunshot wounds [are] in custody.”[9] Following the melee Hoover told the press that resources from throughout the county “were pouring into the neighborhood … to help with the investigation.”[10]

What adds further complexity to the case is that an elaborate “active shooter drill” involving multiple law enforcement agencies was scheduled to occur on May 28th at nearby Santa Barbara City College, where the alleged shooter was a student.[11]

Regardless, in the aftermath of such an event the public is fed what appears to be a ready-made narrative complete with an unusually outspoken parent who, alongside those from the Sandy Hook School massacre, appear to use such events for furthering a specific political agenda. Richard Ross Martinez, father of one of the reportedly slain students, is a practicing attorney. One must therefore ask why he himself hasn’t looked at the available data and seriously questioned what appears to be a botched probe, or perhaps even a coverup.

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In the end, journalism today is so perversely craven and devoid of originality that editors happily toss documented facts and testimony down the memory hole, particularly when they are confronted with a surge of official statements supporting yet another “lone nut” storyline.[12] Under ideal circumstances such pronouncements would be met with skepticism and rigorous scrutiny. One is left to ponder whether there would be any difference between the present propagandistic features of news if journalism were subsumed and directly operated by the state.


[1] “Slideshow: Gunman Shoots and Kills Six in Isla Vista,” KEYT News, May 24, 2014.

[2] Ibid.

[3] “California Drive-By Shootings Leave Seven Dead,”, May 24, 2014.

[4] Tyler Hayden and Matt Kettmann, “Seven Dead, Seven Injured in Isla Vista ‘Mass Murder’ Shooting,” Santa Barbara Independent, May 23, 2014.

[5] “Slideshow: Gunman Shoots and Kills Six in Isla Vista.”

[6] Ibid.

[7] “California Drive-By Shootings Leave Seven Dead.”

[8] Chris Geo, “Elliot Rodgers Shooting-Second Shooter Confirmed, Active Shooter Drill at SBCC Scheduled for the Day After,” Truth Frequency Radio, May 26, 2014.

[9] Ibid.

[10] “California Drive-By Shootings Leave Seven Dead.”

[11] “Elliot Rodgers Shooting-Second Shooter Confirmed.”

[12] See James F. Tracy, “Eyewitnesses: Two Shooters Involved in UCSB Massacre,”, May 28, 2014.

Published at Global Research on May 31, 2014.

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  1. and right on schedule, c-span’s Washington Journal weighed in this morning with Doris Fuller, executive director of the Treatment Advocacy Center weighing in on the U.S. Mental Health system (and how the shooting once again highlights the need…yada yada). No audience on earth is more ready to gobble up left-right propaganda than those great WJ callers –

    I hadn’t heard about the drill (what a surprise!) – the Santa Barbara Independent article states that SBCC claimed it was ‘scheduled’ on the college calendar for the 24th…the day after…yet on the EMS Public calendar for the 28th. Needless to say it’s no longer there (screenshot remains).

    just a little mixup on the dates, right?

  2. Beautifully written BS, James. Maybe you are not old enough to understand that these events can be very confusing at first and I don’t get why you always have to politicize every dark even[t] that happens in the United States.

    1. This is a poorly-conceived position that really doesn’t warrant a response. The point of the article is to illustrate that such events are invariably politicized by major media and political leaders. Such events are capable of being used for propaganda-related purposes because they are naively approached and not thoroughly interrogated by local and national news media.

    2. ” you always have to politicize every dark even[t] that happens in the United States.” Perhaps this statement should be directed toward “victim’s father” Martinez who has not even taken a break to grieve over the supposed death of his son due to becoming the poster boy for gun control….

    3. Cecharca – or, what you describe is the old way of thinking. Nowadays we see the deceptions a bit more clearly. No telling how many events of the past that were thought “confusing at first” were actually hoaxes.

  3. “For example, Michael Vitak, a University of California Santa Barbara student from the Czech Republic, stated in a live televised interview that he saw more than one gunman”

    He said: “…I think there two people inside”. How sure was he? “…First time I saw it, I ran away for my life, so I do not know any details” Not a good witness….

      1. Nope, not overlooked, the MSM is definitely using fake witnesses! But that do not mean the whole deal is a hoax. MSM needs juicy stuff for its audience.

      2. Yes Regina I hear that, at aprox 2.12 into the interview.. ” I can’t say BMW, is that my director talking?”… if she is a bystander, would she have a ” director”.. very strange… she didn’t learn her lines..!!

  4. “Mr. Vitak was one of many bystanders who saw two men carry out the shootings. ‘Multiple witnesses say they saw two people inside the suspect’s vehicle,’ Santa Barbara television station KEYT reported.”

    Were such individuals interviewed by law enforcement? The public will never know because the incident report will not be released.

    1. This segment sponsored by 7-11. Such composure ! This interview is ridiculous. Thank you for being so brave. Rule #1 in lying…too many details…gives them away . (How did they know what the woman was thinking,” She was wondering if it was blood or water”. And another “drill ” to take place. Amazing.

  5. I live in a large Midwestern city that has fatal and non fatal shootings every day and more on weekends. Just 2 weeks ago during “Ceasefire Gun Week” there were 2 multiple victim events. Aside from the usual mayoral and police chief blather of needing to have better gun laws, more community support ,etc. the story is gone. The PTB are OK with inner city residents shooting it up and killing each other.

    It must be “coincidence theory” then that these public shock “shooting” events (hoaxes) going way back feature casts of all Caucasians and well off ones, at that.

    1. White, armed males are perceived as the biggest threat to world government. I’m sure there are others, but white American males with guns scare the hell out of these gangsters in Washington; they have the numbers. Its silly really, when they could all just walk off of their jobs for about 3 days and bring this economy, or what’s left of it, to a standstill and send most of the bums in Washington running to the hills. No guns needed, no civil unrest, just call in sick, go to the doctor, pull the max out of the ATM every day(convert $20 into silver while you are at it), and shut it down. Someone will most likely call me a racist, but I’m strictly talking about numbers here. Of course anyone could join in. The economy is on life support anyway. Why not take it down ourselves. At least we could do it our way, take part in choosing our destiny. I would like to see how the MSM would spin that for the government.

      1. “White, armed males are perceived as the biggest threat to world government. I’m sure there are others, but white American males with guns scare the hell out of these gangsters in Washington; they have the numbers. Its silly really, when they could all just walk off of their jobs for about 3 days and bring this economy, or what’s left of it, to a standstill and send most of the bums in Washington running to the hills”

        Rich, how would they have time for that with all the raping of minorities and wife beating that they must perform?

        1. Fish,
          Prioritization. Those activities will just have to take a back seat for while. I never said it would be easy.

  6. James Tracy wrote: “Richard Ross Martinez, father of one of the reportedly slain students, is a practicing attorney. One must therefore ask why he himself hasn’t looked at the available data and seriously questioned what appears to be a botched probe, or perhaps even a coverup.”

    Gotta love it. That guy is so damned transparent anyway, but this was a great point to make!

    What gets me is how many people don’t see through these ongoing and ever increasing hoaxes. Actually, it might be a majority of Americans actually DO — but you’ll never know it because of who controls that information. I know, I’m just dreaming really. One can look at youtube accounts for numbers of subscribers for truthers vs. propagandists and it’s pretty clear we still have a long way to go.

    Anyway, here are some youtubers doing the work that the mainstream media will never do — look ’em up: Red Pill Revolution, TeamWakeEmUP, ReviewManify, Free Radio Revolution, Kate Slate, The Paul Stal Service, EnterThe5t4rz — they’re on this story, and keeping it real. Some of their reports are hilarious. Sometimes you just gotta laugh, even though this is deadly serious stuff. Cheers everyone!

  7. I looked up Richard Martinez’s name on the California State Bar website and found his full name Richard Ross Martinez. Then, I cross checked his name on pipl (pretty decent site for finding info and public records). His name comes up, says he is 60 and an attorney, so all the info is there. The part where it says “related people,” a Chris name does not appear. All that is listed is Michael Anthony Martinez, Sarah R Martinez, Barbara Jean Martinez, Hard A Martinez, Maria Masangkaymartinez, Doris J Martinez. Typically with a long list like this all family member names are listed. Just thought it was odd.

      1. This is actually good for us, as Martinez sort of shows his hand. A three pronged approach was part of the psy op’s goal, and it can be part of it’s undoing. The notion that the psych system seeks to defend women from sexually-motivated violence is so the opposite of reality; almost every single woman I know who was raped during the height of the acquaintance rape epidemic during the 80’s and early 90’s was then diagnosed with the make believe ‘bipolar disorder’ (all white women that is) for reporting the attacks. So is this ‘bipolar’ something organic or is it a result of trauma, and if it’s the latter, then why weren’t they given PTSD diagnoses? Up until recently PTSD wasn’t considered a real ‘mental illness’ so the psychiatrists tried to avoid it.

        Unfortunately MSM will never allow Martinez to field any questions about why he isn’t outraged that the cops didn’t follow protocol, but the hypocrisy still comes into stark relief when Martinez starts feigning concern about the ‘mentally ill.’

  8. Until Robby Parker faux emotional press conference I didn’t believe any of the false flag conspiracy theories but now I am on board. Being a Santa Barbara resident I have to ask myself the same questions I would like to have asked Sandy Hook residents and other people in close proximity to possible false flag shootings. right now I am on the fence and I am asking people I know in the medical and law enforcement profession about their experiences.

    1. WOW – interesting and appalling – thanks for pointing this out

      Recommend everyone take a looky-loo at this, an inside look at propaganda in-process

  9. This “shooting” follows the typical false flag pattern, there was a drill scheduled around the time of the shooting:

    “Operations attended a table top exercise for the May 28 “Active Shooter Drill” at Santa Barbara City College. Multiple agencies were there, “fine tuning” the different roles, protocols, and schedules.”

    Search for “active shooter drill” in this document:

    Note that the document is dated April 29, 2014. The table top exercise probably took place in mid-April if the Operations section is in chronological order. So, they have been working on this drill for a while. Seems like they could have moved the date several days earlier since they needed a distraction from the VA scandal, … so they moved it before Memorial Day.

    Note also that the document is from the Metropolitan Transit District. Even they were involved. I guess they didn’t want busses getting in the way.

    1. Isn’t that a horrible feeling, Mark? My daughter was down singing Christmas Carols at the Portland, OR tree lighting the year they “intercepted” that kid (with the FBI) with the phone bomb.
      It’s ridiculous that we have to teach our kids to keep a sharper eye on the ‘adult officials’ than their peers – half the kids knew this “mad bomber” and said it was Totally out of character for him to be involved with anything like that…they knew right away there was something Way Off with that story.

      Considering how many federal repositories there are for tracking events, etc. maybe I’ll call my congressman and ask him to put forward a bill requiring every city to register any planned “drill” three months in advance. At least that would give us a timeframe to keep the spidey senses high. jeez.

  10. And yet, Regina, the kids don’t appear to recognize that they are being threatened. There is some emotional disconnect between their consciousness and reality which prevents a mass response. And it is not just homicide that’s involved, they are being ripped off for over a trillion dollars in loans at outrageous interests rates.

    I, and a provost I happened to e-know, convinced my daughter to go to Santa Cruz rather than Santa Barbara, while fending off the Elite university I went to. They had gotten rid of all the interesting dissidents and was relapsing into mediocrity like the rest of the Educational system.

    The whole California system was then put in the hands of the former head of Homeland Security, who became president of the system. She no doubt was put in charge of gutting the remains of perhaps the best public higher Education in the US. And the kids don’t rebel against it.

    1. Some do, some don’t – and I can certainly sympathize if their apparent apathy is nothing but frustration at not knowing what to do…I think a lot of us walk in those shoes every day? Here we are discussing yet more lies, but I certainly haven’t engaged in any public rebellion.

      Speaking of Ms. N – has she made any public statements pertaining to this latest outrage taking place on “her” turf?

      1. I saw someone make reference to “#NotOneMore hoax” today, and thought That would be a great hashtag (and t-shirt! haha) –

    2. Mark, if you want to get an idea as to why there is such an emotional and reality disconnect among young people–take a listen to the “Checkin’ it Out” podcast by Prof. Tracy featuring Sofia Smallstorm from the other day. She will eventually get to her theory of how all the electronic energy exposure and usage of these devices is affecting us all.

  11. Interesting article, thank you. Based on past experience, the hypothesis that the Santa Barbara shooting is another false flag is indeed believable. But assuming it is the reality, I’ll add, with all due respect, that it is an error to focus the blame on government entities and the mainstream media. Much of the blame goes to foreign media, including in “rogue” countries. And if the false flag’s agenda is largely to promote gun control, the blame extends to the 2nd amendment watchdogs who should but will not bark: the John Birch Society, the Libertarian Party, the Oathkeepers, the National Rifle Association can be trusted to use this false flag as another excuse to exhort their gullible followers to give them their time and money while proclaiming the self-defeating mantra that “a lone gunman abused gun rights and carried out repugnant killings in Santa Barbara but real gunmen do not abuse their gun rights and do not carry out repugnant killings.”

    If and when enough false flag observers realize that governments and media are just a decoy behind which their real sworn enemies are laughing at their shortsightedness, they may start to direct their activism against them and propel humanity beyond this stupid false flag meme. This could be the start of an era of harmony and prosperity with no historical precedent.


    1. You are right Daniel.

      The media is allowed to operate by the FCC which charges for their licenses and has levied heavy fines when the rules are broken.

      Part of the deal is that a percentage of airtime must be given to public announcements. Noticed in the middle of the night, the pleas for charity keep rolling from one sad story of despair to another.

      Seems to me back in the day – they used to declare “this has been a public service announcement.”

      They removed that qualifier, so the lines are blurred on what they are forced to say. There have been several videos produced that demonstrate all news channels repeat the same words verbatim, over and over again.

  12. Interesting to note that the alleged shooter’s alleged father (Peter, yes another Peter) has engaged “family friend” Simon Astaire, a high-end British spin doctor whose clients include “the Hollywood Establishment and the British Royal family” (Wikipedia) as a spokesperson. How quaint.

    1. Got to love the name, Astaire. Must be light on his feet. I am sure his father Edgar changed it to that. You can google the late British stockbroker Edgar Astaire to see his charitable interests. So what we are seeing here is a guy who generates publicity for movie stars, perhaps even helping to create them, and royalty. He is therefore probably not a family friend but part of the publicity machine with the agenda of influencing American public policy. I know the Brits have their knickers in a twist about how primitive we colonials still are.

      1. You may be right about their knickers being in a twist, however after a two year tour in Britain in the early 90’s I came away with the feeling the common Brit was disappointed with America because we were no longer living up to our revolutionary roots. Its too bad they saw it before we did. Even on a quick trip to Ireland in ’06 I had a chat with an intelligent young man in a pub, and his question was “when are you American’s going to do something?”. Since my awakening was still a few years off, I was not sure what he was talking about, since I was still a few years from having the cable box removed from the TV and shipped back to its rightful owners. It is to my regret that I can’t return to that conversation now. Still being in the fog, I thought he was talking about America the government, not America the people.

  13. Latest from NYTimes, with their star pitcher, Adam Nagourney, in the line up:

    He seems to throw some some pretty slippery curve balls at us.

    Does anyone care to hazard their current theory? Mine’s ranged from part true in that Elliot existed and for some part was who he was as portrayed in the videos and manifesto, and part false in how it was massaged to include the three roommates, Chris Martinez as victims when they were just added in, along with certain vignettes in the manifesto, as the crisis-managers came in to exploit the event.

    But there’s a lot that suggests that it was a total put on; in this version Elliot was simply a creation for the psy op and while he existed as a real person, his persona in the videos and manifesto were produced for the psyop. This account would have two probably CIA agents driving the car, who either faked the entire episode or who may have actually killed the two girls and maybe some of the roommate posse, although their authenticity seems more doubtful.

    One storyline would hold that Elliot was that demented and that he was shepherded, for a time, or simply monitored and then at some point gotten rid of so the incident could be totally stage managed. I suppose there could numerous variations that might include parts of any of these versions.

  14. I’m sure people have read about the meeting between the two dads:

    Since Richard Martinez’ crusade to tighten the system totally ignores that the existing system’s protocol and possibly even law was violated regarding what should have been a screening, Peter Rodger’s participation in Martinez’ misdirected campaign becomes a cause for suspicion. OTOH, Peter Rodger might feel he has no choice (assuming there’s any truth in the tale about Elliot) but since Chin Rodger allegedly called the cops to alert them, there *should* be some choice in how to proceed, as at least in the crisis prevention the parents did act responsibly.

    Since the Rodgers supposedly did call the cops they could point out that official protocol, which mandated a psych evaluation be forced upon Elliiot, was ignored or violated by the cops. Yet they’re not doing this and worse, are now joining in with Martinez, a development which supports the idea that they’re ‘in on it,’ ie, it’s a hoax from the get go.

    1. This is the official narrative cut and pasted from Wikipedia:
      “Rodger posted a video on YouTube on the night before the attack, titled Elliot Rodger’s Retribution, in which he outlined details of his upcoming attack and the motivations behind his killing spree. YouTube removed the video after the killings, saying it violated their guidelines with its threats of violence.

      On the evening of the killings, Rodger e-mailed a lengthy autobiographical manuscript to about one dozen acquaintances and family members. The document, which he titled “My Twisted World”, was made available on the Internet and became widely known as his “manifesto”. In it, he describes his childhood, family conflicts, frustration over not being able to find a girlfriend, his hatred of women, his hatred of racial minorities and interracial couples, and his plans for the killing spree.”

      How can anyone argue that any new law or any other measure, could prevent this from happening? The killer announced to the world many hours in advance what he was going to do!

      A dozen of his acquaintances can’t read? No one opened their email for several hours!? No one of his family or “friends” subscribed to his Instagram or YT!? C’mon!!?

      So, Messrs. Martinez and Rodger now thinks that just because none of Elliots contacts on the internet ever reads their emails, or that because none of his family wants to subscribe to ER’s YT channel, there now needs to be more gun control!??


        DM’s update has lots of input from the Peter Rodger’s sister and mother; both are more concerned about the welfare of the victims and show no sign of outrage about how the system might have prevented Elliot, in terms of screening him. Instead they push hard for gun control which seems an odd posture when they might be mourning for their brother’s and son’s loss. Elliot *could* have been saved but they don’t seem to have any interest in that, even though they must be in contact with Peter and considering that England and France have at least as overbearing screening processes for the ‘mentally ill’ as the US.

        Just more evidence that this was a psy/black op from the start. The entire Rodgers family seems to have no drive to find out what truly happened to Elliot or how he should have been saved.

        1. Good points, but I will remain ‘doubtful but undecided’. I see no point in saying it was a hoax. It will be used as material to further the agenda on people and gun control anyway.

          Just calling it a hoax is not preparing oneself for debating with the anti freedom advocates! This is not a big problem here, but many of the ‘trooters’ on YT have this attitude.

        1. On the upside, these tiny chips could increase the capacity of most peoples brain by a factor of 10!

      1. It reminds me of the Transhumanist Movement. Coincidently, the first gathering of this movement happened at UC (LA) in the 80’s. I can see some connections between this movement and some of these “events. Just the idea of it gives me the chills.

  15. I have been trying to find out anything about Richard Ross Martinez’s background. The State Bar of CA. lists his address as a PO Box at the UPS Store in Santa Maria. He did his undergraduate work at San Jose State and got his law degree from UC Davis. Has been practicing law in the state since 1990, which means he became a lawyer at age 37.This site only has two very poor reviews of his performance as a lawyer: This other lawyer just barely endorsed him:
    “I endorse this lawyer”.
    Endorsement from lawyer: Justin Hein , Sacramento (CA), 6 days ago. It also says his practice consists of 100% child custody cases. I wonder if he can be connected to Elliot Rodger’s therapist Dr. Charles Sophy, who in addition to treating ER, and the Real Housewives of Beverley Hills is also medical director for Los Angeles County’s “beleaguered” child welfare agency. In this article, the LA Times wonders if Dr.Sophy is not spreading himself too thin:
    This article states the
    L.A. County’s child protection system is in ‘state of emergency’ If anyone can find a connection between Richard Ross Martinez and Dr. Sophy, it could be important.

    1. How would an attorney specialize in child custody cases if they’re not a divorce lawyer? Sounds like he very well might work for the state.

  16. There’s a lot of unanswered questions about these crimes.
    For instance, how could someone so small and un-athletic stab three people in his apartment? Roger’s neighbor had this same question. He wonders how Rogers could have killed three people, since he was a “tiny guy.”
    Rogers lived in two-bedroom room apartment. He had one bedroom, and his two roommates occupied the other. The third guy was apparently visiting. Rogers had a bad relationship with his roommates (he called the cops on one of them for stealing a candle), so it seems unlikely that he lured them into his own room, one-by-one. That would mean that he confronted them in the other bedroom, or in a common room (if there was one). So how does a “tiny guy” take on three guys and kill them in a fight? To judge from his manifesto, Rogers had no interest in sports or exercise. When he was confronted at the party months ago where he broke his leg, he was beaten up without resistance. But it takes a fair amount of strength to kill a person with a knife, let alone three people at once.
    For an account of stabbing, look at the accounts in the Helter Skelter book. The victims were mostly tied up beforehand, and still resisted and tried to get away. It takes a lot of stab wounds to kill a person, and the killer gets exhausted. There is blood everywhere. And it takes a fair amount of time to do the job.
    And yet an hour before the shooting spree, Rogers was seen by a neighbor named “Jon” sitting in his car parked near his apartment (so he could use the wireless) and typing on his laptop, presumably sending out the manifesto and/or doing something with his videos.
    So… he kills three people (an extremely violent act, which would cover him with blood), and then he cleans up and gets onto the internet in his car, apparently uninjured? That’s a little hard to believe.
    Did Rogers own extremely sharp knives? Did any of the neighbors hear signs of struggle or cries of help within the apartment? Why didn’t the victims resist? When was the last time any of the three apartment victims communicate with anyone else?
    There was a photo of one or more victims being wheeled out on a gurney. Was there a truck or van to clean up all the blood?
    And there’s lots of other questions. How do you shoot accurately out the passenger window when driving? Did he pull over and then shoot? Was he ever seen at a practice range? He shoots a fair number of innocent onlookers, but does he ever come close to hitting a cop? How can someone who had a hard time completing work at a community college finish a well-written manifesto of 140 pages? He thought he was a more-or-less rational person (the fault lay with everybody else), and yet he calls the Manifesto “My Twisted World”?
    Just asking ….

    1. Great questions.The Sheriff’s office is now saying they think he allegedly stabbed the roommates on Thursday night prior to the massacre on Friday. Still no one heard anything?

      1. It could very well be the case that the Sheriff’s Office is “improvising”, to use the polite term. If it was Thursday, then the stabbings are more plausible, since there were only two persons, and Rogers could have taken them one at a time. But you also have a new set of questions. Why would the third person, their friend, come over to the apartment on Friday, if his two friends were already dead? People normally call ahead of time. If he called Friday, then he wouldn’t have gotten a reply, and he wouldn’t have come over. If he did come over by chance, wouldn’t Rogers simply not answer the door? After all, he had two dead bodies in the apartment. If the third person had come over on Thursday evening and been killed then, wouldn’t somebody have noticed that he didn’t come home at night? Did the third guy have roommates?
        Their cell phone, computer, and credit call card records should be able to tell us where they were, plus other other information, such as class attendance on Friday and where they ate. Will the public ever see these records?

        And a few more questions …
        Doctors and psychiatrists normally have patient-doctor confidentially, which is both a professional duty and an affirmative right (or defense) in a lawsuit. There is an exception to this rule when the doctor learns that the patient may cause harm to a third person, in which case (I’m not exactly sure) he is supposed to inform the proper authorities to prevent this harm. Shouldn’t the investigators in this case ask Rogers’ many previous psychiatrists whether he had ever threatened harm to anyone? Did Rogers tell them he had purchased guns and/or knives? Did they ever talk about the violent video games he played and why he played them? Rogers obviously intended to hurt people, including his own half-brother and father (I’m not sure when and where he mentioned violence in his Manifesto, I’m guessing it was sometime after his first year in Santa Barbara.) You would have thought Rogers must have told his psychiatrists something in his last two years.
        (And Rogers specifically mentions a plan to kill his little brother and father, before killing others. So what happened to that plan? Did Rogers tell his father he was coming down to visit shortly before the Santa Barbara killings?)

        I would think that the parents of the three victims would want to know what happened, and why neither the landlord or police or Rogers’ parents didn’t do something. I can see a decent case for wrongful death (on negligence – failure to warn grounds.) Although, to be honest, I wouldn’t be surprised if charities suddenly arise and make large amounts of money available to the families of the victims.

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        Keep in mind anything you are getting from local news, national news, local papers, national papers..are pretty much all the same source these days. Big Brother has begun and it’s name is Gannett.

    2. Yes you are so right SVBob! The Police did confiscate one machete and a hatchet I think? Even if ER would use these as weapons, while being busy dicing one roommate, the others would have seconds to flee and resist. All the while the victim would scream like a hog!

      Shooting while driving is so ineffective that any person that first tries it will stop, or slow down to jogging speed if they really are motivated in hitting the target. Living targets do not stand still after the first round goes off, further exacerbating the situation.

      The shooter does not seem extremely motivated: Why did he not stick to the plan and go into the sorority house? Why shoot random people through a thick glass? He picked places that where more perfect from a getting away perspective, rather than being effective in “exacting revenge”, on the very large group of people that he hated.

      He was incompetent I think! Outside his home he killed only 4 people, anyone can run over more people than that on a normal street (please don’t). No need to plan or spend money on guns!

      Although Glock and SIG have a huge market share, it is funny that these mass killers ‘always’ choses their products!? They are expensive and imported (“exotic”).

      Specific parts of the story seems to be more exotic than it needs to be.

      I do not know what classes ER took, but he must have been a talented writer for his age. Someone as depressed as him seems unlikely to have written the “manifesto”. Like you said, he could not even finish his classes!

      Sorority house massacre:


    Above is the website for Santa Barbara’s National Alliance for the Mentally Ill, NAMI. In this article, its Vice President Ann Eldridge uses terminology that clearly belies how complicit (or worse) Eldridge is in the hoax:

    “Some law enforcement and mental health experts questioned why officials didn’t review the video during the April 30 check.

    “If somebody was concerned about them enough to report them it would seem to me to be part of the checkup,” said Ann Eldridge, vice president of the local chapter of the National Alliance on Mental Illness.

    Although seeing the videos might not have changed the outcome, it would have been part of a thorough investigation, said Rick Wall, a former Los Angeles police captain who oversaw that department’s mental health team.”

    Besides that the article blares the word ‘welfare check’ when they know damn well it should have been a ‘screening’ or ‘psych evaluation,’ the NAMI official is now moving the hoax along in feigning ignorance that ‘the checkup’ proceeded according to policy except for the failure on the part of the cops to view the videos, when of course cops don’t perform screenings. It’s also interesting the LA police captain is described as overseeing the department’s ‘mental health team,’ which would never happen; no cop is even legally allowed to participate in screenings (in the sense of making decisions about a subject) as no committal is ever supposed to be punitive by federal law. When a criminal is convicted and found to be suffering from a ‘mental illness’ they are not ‘committed’ per se, but *sentenced.*

    Ann Eldridge is the only official from Santa Barbara NAMI to have spoken publicly about the incident and she is also the only one whose email is not listed in the website, interestingly enough.

    I will look for an article I read recently about how all the organizations that purport to lobby on behalf of the mentally ill, like NAMI, have been infiltrated and taken over by Big Pharma/Psych activists whose only agenda is to strengthen their hold over the populace.

    There really is no one challenging the despots except the skeptics.

    1. You are doing great work on this, Sue. I want to go back and look over all your postings, because you are really laying it out so very clearly.

  18. It is not just Prof. Tracy and myself and others on this board and elsewhere in the alternative media who are asking questions about the Rogers’ Isla Vista “massacre”. Even segments of the mainstream media are asking questions. See, for instance, the San Jose Mercury, reprinting and article by Michael R. Blood, from the Associated Press :
    The author states, ” It’s not clear how the slightly built Rodger was able to kill three people without attracting attention in a crowded apartment complex.”
    In a previous post I mentioned that a neighbor named “Jon” saw Rogers sitting in his car near his apartment was sitting in his car with his laptop around 8:30 and trying to hide his screen. Rogers did not send his Manifesto until until 9:17, So what was he doing on his computer at 8:30 P.M? What was he doing at that time? He was not sending out his manifesto. Was he on Youtube or a Puahnet site or other hate-site? Why was he hiding his screen? The police could easily clarify this problem by releasing an “Internet history” for Rogers on Thursday and Friday, or even just for Friday. It is very easy to do this for any internet browswer. Why don’t the Police release this? This would clarify Rogers’ frame-of-mind and intentions just prior to his alleged gun rampage, and allow the public to focus on the real cause of his attacks instead of speculating wildly, based on the generalized grievances in the Manifesto. Surely the Police must be preserving such evidence, in light of the possibility of a wrongful death lawsuit.
    By the way, who released the Manifesto to Scribd, and why? Such information would be considered “confidential” under the Sandy Hook type of investigation, yet it is released here. Why? How did that guy get it? Isn’t that a perfectly legitimate question?

    1. Wow, that really is an interesting article in terms of a total break from the status quo. Coming from the AP it seems especially odd. He brings up great points. Do you know when it was published? Maybe we should give it some comments traffic, as there aren’t any now.

  19. It seems that all these contrived shootings are designed to expose some ‘flaw’ in the legal apparatus for controlling access to guns. In this most recent example we have a person with a long history of mental health treatment who was nevertheless legally able to buy three handguns. Nothing in the current California legal code stopped him, in spite of his having been offered the choice between voluntary commitment to a mental hospital or the taking of antidepressant medication.

    The ‘problem’ that this scenario was designed to ‘solve’ then, was the problem of an apparently troubled person refusing treatment which would have denied him the right to own firearms. To see where this is going we need only look at one of the many editorials written in response to the event. Here is some advice from Mel Robbins:

    “California has tough gun laws, by U.S. standards. The Santa Barbara, California, Sheriff’s Office reports Rodger bought his semi-automatic handguns legally. Only a criminal record, treatment in a mental institution or an involuntary commitment would have prevented him from buying weapons. None applied to him. Treatment for mental illness, however, does not prevent anyone in California from buying guns. That takes us back to mental health laws…

    How could someone as delusional, dangerous and depraved as Rodger fly under the radar, avoid being put in a hospital or involuntarily committed at some point during his 14 years in therapy? Because mental health laws allow patients the right to self-determination in their treatment of mental illness. That means we have a system of laws and policies that puts mental health decisions in the hands of the mentally ill…
    It’s time we switch the balance of power back to the caregivers, the professionals and yes, to the police. We also need a lower standard than “imminent harm” for an involuntary hold in all states and a longer stay than just 72 hours.”

    They (TPTB) want to change the law nation wide so that ‘problem’ people can be involuntarily committed and/or denied the right to own firearms. It is that simple. The most recent fake shooting in Santa Barbara was specifically designed to make the case for this change.

    1. Christo, you just repeated the central lie in this drama:

      “Nothing in the current California legal code stopped him, in spite of his having been offered the choice between voluntary commitment to a mental hospital or the taking of antidepressant medication.”

      Is there any such thing as ‘voluntary’ commitment, BTW? As the law stands in California and the nation, the police had not only the option but the obligation to FORCE Elliot Rodger into a screening, either at his apartment or in an ER. When the cops order this process it is not a choice in any way. FYI, if someone decides they want a screening or some kind of ‘psych help,’ and they go into an ER for it, they have given up the choice of when they can leave. ER personnel are allowed to order either staff or police to come in and restrain them until the psych screening process has completed which can legally last up to three days; cops can and must also apprehend any escapee from this process outside of an ER and return them – by FORCE.

      The cops did not follow policy and law as it stands. You are either woefully ignorant or intentionally distorting the situation.

  20. This is what they do in Italy when you apply for a gun:

    To legally purchase firearms in Italy one must be issued with a carry license first. To obtain such a license applicants must be 18 or older, prove they can handle and use a firearm safely (usually by obtaining a certificate from a shooting range after attending a practical shooting course), declare to have a clean criminal record (verification will be made by the Police authorities) and must not be mentally ill or be a known abuser of, or addicted to, alcohol or illegal drugs. Other grounds for refusal of a carry license include being a conscientious objector or living with persons who may gain access to the firearms and abuse them (e.g. living with family members who are mentally ill, alcoholic or drug addicts).[3][4][5] Wikipedia

    Even if they institute such screenings here, they won’t show up in the check unless they’ve actually been in the system for something.

    At any rate, this discussion is futile at this point; the shooting, as all the others were, is a hoax, not just to eventually disarm us, but the main agenda is to turn us against each other. While we’re busy fighting, they’ll drop the net over us and it will be too late.

    We’d better gear up for the next one; the sooner we can expose it.

    1. jean, I don’t think there will be another one necessarily. I think the american people are starting to wake up, especially as the rate at which they stage (or just fake-report) these things has sped up. They either drive it home and make it over the hill here or not, it seems. I think they sense this and are not going to give up this drive, which is why I’m so worked up about it.

      Exposing it is critical, but not enough. If either of the two (out of three being considered) bills gets passed coming out of this, internet challenges to the NWO are going to start being repressed very quickly.

      1. ETA And I meant to conclude that because they know they have to score on this drive, they won’t let up. So it’s my view we either start doing activism or face that the war is over and they’ve won.

        I know that may sound pessimistic to some, or just frustrating to those who sort of agree, but on the up side I think if some of use got together and started to spearhead a lobbying group of some kind we could make some serious headway. This hoax isn’t even hard to prove, given that all we need to do is point out how the media is lying about the existing laws and policies governing how the cops were *supposed* to handle Elliot.

      2. Thanks for responding but I disagree; I monitor the comments in Yahoo articles about this and every time I try to point out these things are hoaxes I get my petunia kicked. These people are NOT waking up. And the Elites know it. They’ll keep on pulling these until we are so exhausted we take to the streets for total gun control.

        There are more of them then then there are of us and the main agenda of the NWO is to have us fighting among ourselves; while we’re busy, they’ll drop the net over us all.

        They won’t repress the internet anytime soon, this is not China, after all. Besides, the NWO is already here, they don’t really care what we expose. Their job is to now get ALL the sheep on their side, that way they won’t have to do anything, the sheeple will do it for them.

        1. Good points! Educating the average TV viewer on indications of Isla Vista disfinformation will usually have the same effect as waving a red flag to a bull, or throwing a live frog in a pot of boiled water with the expectation that it will quietly stay there.

          The reverse truth is that educating the public to the enormous and well-oiled deception that produces disinformation at an industrial scale needs to start with some very modest baby steps, like wondering if they remember ever seeing the videos of Building 7’s amazing self-destruction. Or like throwing the live frog in a pot of cold water before boiling it.


        2. No, just tell them the Holocaust is a hoax, and take it from there. 😉

      3. @DANIEL NOEL I totally get it. I usually start them off with “9/11 Mysteries” on Youtube. If you haven’t seen it, take a look, I’m sure you’ll recommend it, too.

        Good comment.

  21. Sue- My reading of the situation here is that there are two separate questions regarding the capability of present California law to have prevented this shooting. First, did Eliot Rodger obtain his guns legally, and second, should the police have taken them away, and/or forced Roger to undergo psychiatric evaluation when they were made aware of his youtube videos by his therapist or mother. Had he been forced to undergo evaluation and found to be a threat to himself or others, his guns would have been taken away.

    You rightly point out that ER’s threats against others were clearly evident in the youtube videos, and should have required the police to commit him involuntarily had the proper psychiatric authority looked at them. Your point that calling Rodger’s visit from the police a “welfare check” rather than a “psych evaluation” gets the authorities off the hook with a lie is well taken. This may well be part of a ruse to make it seem as if present law is inadequate, when in fact it should have prevented this shooting had protocol been followed.

    My comment above is primarily concerned with the first question, of how Rodger was able to buy guns legally when he had such a long history of mental illness. The op ed piece by CNN’s Mel Robbins quoted above suggests that Rodger ought to have been involuntarily committed even before he bought his guns, and thus would have been barred from owning them. It also suggests that the police should have had more power to commit Rodger, do checks for gun registration, etc.

    The key sentences are “Treatment for mental illness does not prevent anyone in California from buying guns.” and “..mental health laws allow patients the right of self determination in their treatment of mental illness.”These are the points of law which Robbins wants changed nationally. This suggests an agenda which this psy-op shooting seems perfectly designed to support. It is all a little too convenient.


    This story looks like the parallel of that one coming out of San Francisco about the ‘potentially dangerous’ ‘introverted’ white guy, although his might have some limited authenticity to it. Certainly it’s been massaged by the FBI and media to bolster the campaign coming out of the Elliot Rodger case to dismantle the Constitution, as both are in California and propagate the same hysteria. For some reason Ryan Chamberlain’s situation has engendered more skepticism. It also may be a way to condition people to think that their friend and neighbor and loved ones might harbor deep ‘mental illness’ criminal potential, even when the person is otherwise high-functioning and normal.

    The 12 year old alleged attempted murderesses are being charged as adults in Wisconsin, which should tip people off that it’s a fake story, as then the sympathy will be behind treating them as ‘mentally ill,’ even though 12 is beyond old enough to discern right from wrong. I think their story is being used to bolster the whole national campaign against our rights, and might be being stage-reported in Wisconsin to massage public opinion against any support for Krysta Sutterfield, the NRA activist who just lost an appeal to Wisconsin’s 7th Circuit regarding illegal search and seizure and committal.

    I assume many posters and lurkers view fantastic articles with total skepticism but am not sure newcomers are aware of how common totally fake stories are, and of the possible connections between them and more elaborate high profile ‘hoaxes’ or semi-staged incidents like the Rodger one.

    1. “I assume many posters and lurkers view fantastic articles with total skepticism but am not sure newcomers are aware of how common totally fake stories are, and of the possible connections between them and more elaborate high profile ‘hoaxes’ or semi-staged incidents like the Rodger one.”

      how true that is. Here is another fake story to analyze that I may have posted back in january. it has all the telltale signs, police know immediately who was the killer, the boyfriend was on scene but the police cleared him as a suspect, they just moved in to the area and the children had only been to school for a day, she had a job (CIA) where she could “work” from home, the police were at the residence the night before etc. I bet they run little operations like this all over the country/world.

      1. Yeah, that one does sound suspicious. Wonder if it was used to lobby for any specific legislation at some level of Utah law, which is a state that also happens to hate women. Did you think it was a totally fake one or that it was being ‘massaged’ in terms of who really killed the woman and her two daughters?

    2. This has probably been discussed ad nauseum, but who else is sick beyond description of the adjective “chilling” (as in, “Chilling 911 Call Released”)? Seriously, is it a code word or something, or do they really have that limited of a vocabulary? Same thing with the phrase “double-down” (as in, “The President Double-Downs On Executive Orders”). When I Googled that hateful phrase, I got nearly 161 MILLION hits. Even if the majority are gambling related (and I’m not sure that’s the case), that’s still WAY too much.

    3. Well here we go. Now a psychiatrist is claiming these two girls demonstrate how there can be ‘group delusion’ or ‘psychosis’ or something, as allegedly one of the girls had a ‘delusion’ while the other was more the accomplice. I knew they’d be working this angle soon. Used to be a mental illness could only be something one person had to himself:

      Any group can be now termed ‘mentally ill.’

  23. Here’s yet another article that outright lies about the law and policy that should have governed the cops’ decisions in Isla Vista:

    The central lie is pretty much standard, If anyone might be interested in getting together and writing the congresspeople or anyone else to point out how inaccurate it is to claim Ca law was followed by the cops, we could try to exchange emails. I think that might be one way to at least document that we’ve done something. Elliot Rodger as either a total or partially fake murderer may not be something we can fully prove, but we can expose that the cops and media and some congresspeople pushing for this bill ARE.

  24. There’s something very peculiar about Rodger’s video and written diatribes, it’s as though he didn’t really feel the misogynistic grievances he was expressing, but rather was using the almost cliched expressions of masculine sexual resentment as a “dog whistle” directed specifically at those already deranged male individuals pre-susceptible to the hypnotic sway of a harangue composed of such unoriginal cliches and formulas (reminiscent, in fact, of Hollywood productions), for the purposes of provoking in (male) others mirror states of violence and destructive rage, while himself remaining psychopathically aloof from the pettiness of such resentment and ulteriorly motivated by a purer (i.e. indiscriminate, totalizing) sort of sadism, the kind that, in fact, equates the murder of (oblivious) humans to the achievement of apotheosis.

  25. ‘One is left to ponder whether there would be any difference between the present propagandistic features of news if journalism were subsumed and directly operated by the state.’

    I would like to suggest that ‘we’ on the outside of power and evil should start to use the phrase State-Media Complex when referring to the contemporary tribunes of power.
    ‘Mainstream media’ is too ambiguous and ‘lame stream media’ doesn’t really trip off the tongue.

    Call it what it is. The truth works.

      1. No, ‘governmedia’ is fine Sue. It’s intellectually apposite. I just don’t think that it could really catch on the way ‘false flag’ has pushed itself from real life into common usage.

        ‘State-Media Complex’ could have legs.
        It has a satisfying rhythm.

        1. I like it, John, I’ll start using it in my articles. Good work. Those little legs will be pumping soon:)

      1. jeanbush says:
        June 4, 2014 at 6:24 pm
        ‘….. I’ll start using it in my articles.’
        I’m new here where might I read your articles?

        I like ‘complex’ as it shows that we understand the State ‘message’ is delivered via soap operas, advertising, Hollywood films and ‘approved’ music. Not just tv & radio ‘news’.

  26. Here’s the most detailed accounts I could find on reactions from the families of Veronica Weiss and Katie Cooper:

    I don’t know what to make of these families. Veronica Weiss’ father and brother seem sort of off to me somehow, in part because I come from a family that would never give any interview in such a time, or even generally.

    1. One of my theories has been that these two girls were actually killed while the others were not, at least probably not Chris Martinez. I don’t know if there’s been coverage besides changing stories about housing plans from the families of the asian guys, who I also suspect were added into the narrative. It’s hard to know, certainly there seems a lot about the girls that would have to be faked, like the sorority they were in, the vigil for Katie seen above, etc.

      1. Which ones? No one out razzies the Soto family, they simply cannot be outdone for absurdity. I really don’t have a firm conclusion about the Weisses or Coopers.

    2. Sue I’ve just watched the family of Veronica Weiss interview with Anderson and I feel like you – it would be too emotional to stand there in the sunshine and talk about a daughter / sister in such a happy way..a family member, that had just been shot and killed.? So detached…. What is going on?


        Their sorority has a gofundme type account there on ‘youcaring.’ It’s officially sponsored or hosted or what have you by the sorority. So this makes it more likely that they were real people who really were killed. Her brother looks very much like her and the photos – especially of him with her – don’t appear to have been photoshopped, although I’m hardly an expert at discerning the differences.

        So I just don’t know. I feel pretty confident Chris Martinez is fake as his father is just too transparent (the worst was when he flubbed his line) and contrived. The asian roommates are too mysterious and problematic in a number of ways to be very believable.

        But these girls…I haven’t studied the manifesto or videos in any depth, I’m still not solid on whether Elliot killed them and the rest of the storyline was added in, or whether the entire thing was staged which would have the girls either faked or killed by the people staging it.

  27. Latest hoax in Canada.

    With the way infowars keeps portraying these hoaxes as real I am really beginning to question whether Alex Jones really is trying to drive a segment of the population into physical rebellion while saying he wants political resolve. I have always defended Alex as a money grubber that won’t address the crisis actors because it sounds whacky and would affect his bottom line but I am really beginning to wonder. Reading his comments section it seems his audience is ready for a shootout. Now would be a good time to point out that these false flags are merely hoaxes to mold public perception. this canadian fiasco takes the cake.

    1. I have always been torn between Jones’ likability, and the feeling that something is just not right with infowars. I believe that when someone real actually does start shooting, all the hoaxes will be justified, and the whip will come down. The government will be able to say, “told you so, they are all nuts”. I find it hard to believe they would let the most disliked President in the nations history go to waste, without a huge shift in how we are ruled. I also believe the levels of deception run deep, so tptb could capitalize on any of a number of scenarios. How about hoaxing an insurrection. It could cause a domino effect taking on a life of its own. Next thing you know, the hoax insurrection is a real rebellion.

      1. Keen insights, there, Rich. I think TPTB may want to foment insurrection too when it suits them as an excuse to crack that ultimate whip. They’ll wait to do this though till they have a law passed that suits their agenda of pathologizing all of us as either mentally ill or domestic terrorists – or both.

        1. I agree, I see a full court press coming with mental illness trap. But how many laws do they need. NDAA 2012, 2013, patriot, military commissions act. Good grief, I think they got it covered! There is an old Billy Graham Sermon on youtube from the 50’s, and he nailed this whole mental health thing. Pretty insightful if you ask me.

      2. Rich, I appreciate your suspicions.

        Over time, our conversation here has veered into Alex Jones territory a few times, and I am always very reticent to add my voice to it because I simply don’t spend enough time in his world to have a valid opinion.

        Still, my opinion is valid enough to think about what other people say about that world: I spend enough time there to understand the conversation. So, reluctant as I am to weigh in, I’ll say this: I don’t like the people he presents as the face of his organization. Me, I like to think of how I sound. Even in heated conversation here at MHB, I am polite to the point of parody, because it is important to maintain dignity when you are arguing a very controversial position. If the topic is worth discussing, it is worth treating even the most ridiculous opponent with respect, even if only ironic respect can be conjured up.

        Well, Alex’s whole operation is about arguing ultra-controvercial positions, and yet he gives not a fig about appearances. Why? Does he want his whole operation to look like a lunatic asylum?

        Hire people who shave, Alex, if you’re going to put them on screen. And if you’re going to go into the full-bore bullhorn schtick, make certain there is irony evident in it. Do you WANT everyone in the world to think your operation is a wacko-fest? And those loons you send to pester press conferences–do you WANT everyone to think they’re nuts?

        Again, I am reluctant to critique his operation, because I spend little time there. But guess why I spend little time there?

        That said, I want to like and trust Alex. I just think he makes that awfully hard to do. We need an operation of the sort he claims to be. Much of the ongoing debate about him is contained in the comment from Sue, just below this one of mine: id he controlled opposition? I don’t want to believe so, but we can’t be very trusting, when we track conspiracies.

      3. Oh to add Rich, there are a couple reasons they use the ‘mental health’ angle. First is probably because there is absolutely zero transparency to it. As things stand now it’s a witch hunt and the process of committing people is totally unconstitutional. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, and that’s what the defining of ‘mental illness’ versus ‘evil’ by some hidden tribunal of overlords aka psychiatrists (psychologists cannot legally give diagnoses in case anyone knows, at least not in court, even PhD’s; the legal system only recognizes those assigned by the drugdealers) is – total tyranny. One can be totally imprisoned and drugged to the point of both temporary and permanent (or semi-permanent or both) disability, based on sheer hearsay to which the accused has zero right to challenge. It’s simply insane.

        So it’s the only way to get around the problem of the law and the basic rights to things like a trial, due process, etc.

        In that, it’s the way they kill the idea. To punish a political dissident is to often make them a martyr and their idea even more powerful; to keep the person alive but make them recant or simply give up their principles (through chemical lobotomization) is to destroy the idea, which a repressive and tyrannical government must be able to do to gain total control and keep it.

    2. To fish and Rich, my sense of Alex Jones is very superficial; I inherently distrust someone who the State-Media Complex allows a platform. He’s somewhat over-emotive so that might appeal, but also manipulate, people. He rejects the crisis actor *reality,’* hence I think the likelihood is huge that he is just controlled opposition.

      1. I do not think Alex Jones is controlled opposition. He has made it his goal to reach as many as possible, and to be successful in that, he decided acting like a clown is the easies way for him. If he did it like James Corbett he would be unheard of by the large masses.

        Every time he comes on television he acts like a nut, because it’s expected of him. This draws a crowd to Infowars as well as to the TV channel he on atm: Symbiosis achieved! Hopefully one of the sheeple visiting his site will learn something from one of the good articles he has on the site.

        This works for him, but it also makes conspiracy theorists in general look dumb. We all are burdened with defending his behavior! But at the same time he is a springboard into the conspiracy theorist world for many…

        1. The theatrics aren’t what bothers me, in fact it is one of the few things that I still enjoy about alex. The commercialization of the liberty movement I can let slide also. It is the willful misinterpretation of these current events that is really bothering me. He know what they put out are lies, he nearly admitted crisis actors when wolfputz was on his show but he presents these events as real false flags and It seems to be a provocation to the numbskulls that still hold this guy up on a pedestal. Apparently they are incapable of seeing that Alex is lying. I think the scenario that Rich described is quite possible.
          I’m not a hater of Alex, he enlightened me to a whole new level of corruption but something smells really rotten over there the last few years.
          I am sure most people have heard the Jack blood allegations many years ago after Alex sabotaged the Deborah Medina campaign but here is an interesting conversation with David Ortiz formerly of infowars. The stuff about Alex starts at 11 minutes in.

        2. You know what, you are also one of the people on this site that entertains the idea that these events are real. How much control does alex have over your perceptions? I bet if you gave yourself an honest evaluation you would conclude that he has a lot. It’s a bit scary that people are like that and he is lying to them about some pretty important stuff.

        3. Since you have already told me that “an honest evaluation” would conclude that I have been very much indoctrinated by AJ, this is going to be almost pointless to answer…*sigh* 😉

          But, no I do not think he has really. I cant stand his theatrics 99% of the time. Still I would rate him as one of the best comedians in the USA when he makes an effort. His visit to the Bilderberg conspiracy love fest last year in the UK, had some gems I will never forget! Sadly the “love fest” was all thanks to the superb work of the local police that worked the public like artists.

          Back to the question. I seldom believe a word Alex Jones utters, he is a salesman! He is very intelligent, and obviously knows a lot of facts about history and politics, but he intertwines fact and fiction in a way that makes him useless as a mentor for anyone that is serious.

          He was a springboard for me into the deeper mysteries of reality, like he has been for so many. These days I read articles on Infowars, and watch one or two of Ms McAdoo’s appearances (you all know why). Paul Joseph Watson is also worth watching/reading. That’s it!

          And really I do not think I entertain that “these events” (plural) are real to any noteworthy degree. So far on this blog, I have only been somewhat ambivalent on one such issue!

        4. well I was just speculating, not trying to speak for you, sorry if I came off that way. When I first found alex in ’05 I really couldn’t see much of his shortcomings myself, I was so frantic about the situation at hand. I played his radio show for a buddy of mine quite often and he told me how Alex was a salesman but I couldn’t see it. It wasn’t until I heard him selling gold coins from midas and saying how this was the best deal he has seen anywhere on gold yet the price was $30 more an ounce that any coin shop you could walk into that I started to see him as a less attractive personality. Some stuff with fukushima and potassium iodide soured me on him as well. It seems like if one was going to fleece people they ought to do it to the collaborators not the resistance. Anyway my concern was not with that but the seriousness of this news report from canada claiming that a Freeman shot and killed 3 rcmp officers and wounded two more, martial law in a canadian town and infowars reporting on it as if it was real. It’s just like rich hypothesized about them faking an uprising and some followers taking it as real and justified. If you believe that the government blew up 200 people in boston and countless others in these hoaxes then one might feel quite justified in initiating force against such a violent threat.
          the message boards are full over there with people like that. I’m sure many are trolls but many are serious as well.

        5. “well I was just speculating, not trying to speak for you, sorry if I came off that way. ”

          No offense taken at all!

          Alex is many things but not controlled opposition. If he is, TPTB are failing miserably!

          He alone is responsible for much of the growth of the ‘resistance movement’ in the Internet era. People do move on from meeting AJ, he is a stepping stone or a springboard for most. At least for those of us that can think and reason! (Ignore the rest of humanity)

          Another reason I think can be reason for his erratic and unreasonable behavior, is that he most likely is a ‘highly intelligent bored person’. I’ve been around Asperger people a lot, not saying AJ is in anyway autistic, but they are sometimes that way. Reality is just not enough, it bores them, they have figured it all out already (except social interaction that’s just a big yawn for them), so they start geeking out on fantasy stuff, building a world of their own. Not in a delusional way, but as a supplement, or in Jones’ case as a joke. Acting like this when you run a place like Infowars is of course irresponsible, but he is human like all of us.

          Lastly, Alex Jones is from a place where Christian talk radio is big. Just like the preachers, Jones works his audience to an extreme emotional disturbance. Some of us don’t like that, we like reason, but some do like it. It’s their drug!

        6. Given that mainstream news is more like entertainment than news, I would have to agree that AJ’s format may be more appealing to the sleeping sheep, and a good way to get their feet wet. Throwing someone into the deep end of the pool at their first swimming lesson is not always productive.
          Personally, my first exposure to Jones was a 5 part series called “The Secret Rulers of the World”, his, and the other episodes were part of my early awakening.

        7. There are a lot better sites out there then AJ, who’s a shill and fraud. Like David Icke, he lures new people in then fills them with nonsense. He’s married to a Jew and is supported by the Elites.

          I always start new people out with Youtube’s 9/11 Mysteries. It’s direct, simple and visual. If you don’t start them with 9/11 you won’t reach them with anything else.

      2. Col. Bat Guano, when I use the term ‘controlled op’ it could mean several dimensions of undermining the conveyance of truth. He might not have set out to be that per se, but may have given over to it under the duress of producers. Although that would indicate he always had it in him to sell out and was therefore never wholly authentic. I’m just clarifying that I’m not certain he was ‘formally’ designed to be controlled op, just that in some dimension that seems to be what he’s become, and what he’s been molded into, although I don’t know him much so can’t say with certainty or specificity.

      3. John Friend’s recent radio show re-played some part of Jones’ shows, and they’re pretty incriminating, imo:

        John thinks he’s beyond sketchy and I think his guest does too, although I didn’t listen to the whole thing. There just isn’t really any sound excuse for his playing into the ‘hoax lies, etc. I think he’s controlled op.

  28. I went to the David Ortiz site and the Jack Blood interview. I tend to agree that most of the sites that have a large following are run by megalomaniacs. Whether they are truly controlled or have some hidden agenda is another matter.

    Hypocrisy is more the rule than the exception. Living an authentic life consistent with one’s beliefs is apparently pretty difficult for most. If I had to guess I’d say that someone who needed adulation and was intolerant of those who disagreed with them would be more about themselves than any message they might be pushing.

    There are some fine examples of those with a reasonable “following” that are better examples of selfless truth seekers. In Jones’ case I think its a little more than just “style”.

    None of this matters, of course, if we don’t make celebrities out of them and we don’t look to others as “leaders”. We should be our own leaders based on information. I can’t name a single source that I would always agree with. I suppose there is a limit to how long I would be willing to read garbage or poor analysis before I moved on.

    He does a service in the sense that he brings in people who are just starting to try to understand what is wrong. Hopefully, as the barriers come down they will explore and find that there are better sources of information. Some will, some won’t. They won’t be worse off being misguided than they were asleep.

  29. I meet a woman through a close friend last night who knows Richard Martinez. She says she’s been working with him for years and he’s a real nice guy, she knows him because she does social work in San Lius Obispo’s mental health system and I guess he works as a lawyer trying child custody cases for the county. She felt very sorry for him and his wife, who she does not know. She said that the funereal for Christopher is scheduled for this Saturday. She was urging my friend to come back to work in the mental health field as it is expanding rapidly and there will soon be lots more funding available. Another social worker told my friend on facebook that Richard Martinez was a great advocate and “fighter for our kids” If Richard Martinez works in a field that will profit from the political agenda he is so outspoken for, isn’t there a conflict of interest, or is it just a tragic coincidence? I know, there are no coincidences and things keep getting curiouser and curiouser…

    1. I hope she goes to the funeral and reports back. It should be an open coffin one. That way she can see if someone really died. All the parents at Sandy Hook were NOT allowed to see the bodies of their kids and all coffins were closed.

      Red Flag hoax.!

        1. I live in Hollywood but proximity is not the point, they can fake anything anywhere. And will continue to do so and the sheep will continue to swallow it.

      1. Yeah, I suppose they didn’t bother in Sandy Hook because everyone involved was ‘in’ on it; this round might feature more special effects and art department.

        1. Lopphatt, what an excellent comment, very perceptive. I agree, anything pushed by HSM (Hack Stream Media) is a lie. But that’s what they’re told to do or lose their jobs. I wonder how many of them in the know, go home sick.

          As for “seeing is believing” most people see with their emotions instead of their minds, especially if it involves “innocent” people. They are so blinded by the horror and chaos they can’t see past their feelings to critically examine the incident. Then when people like us try to point out the obviously anomalies, their emotions won’t let them respond with any clear observations.

          I think the main agenda is to keep us fighting among ourselves and while we’re busy, they’ll toss the net over us. We have a gun buy back program here in Los Angeles, and for a $100 Walmart gift card, you can turn in your “illegal” weapons, no questions asked. You should see the tons of guns these fools toss to the cops without question.

          I’m a woman and don’t even know which end the bullet comes out of, haha! But if they take me down, I’ll go out with their blood under my fingernails.

          God help us all.

      2. That, my dear Ms. Bush, is precisely the point. I can tell by some responses that, even though we’ve shown the SHES event to be a total “Wag the Dog” production, there is still reticence to believing how convincing “Hollywood Magic” can be.

        For me the proper attitude should be, if the MSM is pushing it, its hooey. I’m terrible with names but there was an actor some time ago who kept going on one of the radio podcasts and explaining this. He kept saying “I’m telling you, this is my job. I’ve been doing this for YEARS, it’s all fake”. A few minutes later he’d be at it again.

        For some reason the “reality” of what is shown on TEE VEE is so imprinted on most that, even if they intellectually know its false, they still have a hard time disbelieving. I think its because in normal circumstances “seeing is believing”.

        So, as you point out, what’s NOT SEEN is important. After all, why go to all the trouble of creating a substitute visual when you could simply point and say “there it is”?

        The “mental health” field is plagued by those who feel so special that fooling people into what they perceive as “healthier attitudes” is accepted. They actually think they are doing something good.

      3. Thank you Jean. Your comments are insightful as well. Isn’t it odd that people, even here at times, discuss these “readers” as if they were “journalists” with the latitude to actually decide what to report?

        They go to Columbia and get a degree in journalism. Then they land a job (if they’re attractive enough) where they are presented with the day’s propaganda release to read.

        People still have this notion in their minds of “crack reporters” running to the pay phone to “break the story”. These guys are lazy actors. They don’t even have to move.

        The only thing to be gained from watching TEE VEE “news” is to see what meme they are pushing. They sell them like cheeseburgers. All the stations have the same information. They universally hype it or ignore it.

        Is it possible that people can’t recognize phony? As we saw in SHES, the harder you look at it the phonier it gets. It’s like looking at a movie set with a riverboat and noticing that there’s an electric bulb in the lamp. Now, if you went to a movie and you know it isn’t real and its just there for your entertainment, that’s a minor blunder. When its supposed to be “news”, and their function is supposed to be to help keep an eye on the political parasites, that’s a little more serious.

        I would expect that by now no one would watch their productions. I know I don’t.

        1. As you probly realize by now, this goes far beyond FF and hoaxes. The Elites control all media and printed public information. They control the “news” stations and papers and determine what is shown and what is kept hidden. These pathetic reporters are told what to report or lose their jobs. I often wish to talk with them privately to see what they really think.

          Here is the CNN interview with the happy McDonnell’s who just lost their “amazing Grace.” No tears of course, but plenty of happy chatter. Watch all the way to the end and look at the picture that “Grace” drew for the president and gave a copy to AC. It is, of all things, an owl. Do you understand now?? The NWO worships Moloch, which is also featured at the Bohemian Grove:

          As a god worshipped by the Phoenicians and Canaanites, Moloch had associations with a particular kind of propitiatory child sacrifice by parents. Moloch figures in the Book of Deuteronomy and in the Book of Leviticus as a form of idolatry (Leviticus 18:21: “And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Moloch”).

          They always leave clues right in our face and most of us miss them.

          Look at the big picture, my friend.

        2. I quit watching television about 5 or 6 years ago. I enjoy the occasional rerun or Jeopardy on the free local channels(like twice a year). It has gotten to the point that if I see any cable or satellite news or shows(I’m in hotels often, and the TV is on in the lobby) I am able to pick up the slightest bits of propaganda everywhere, little thought tweekers I guess you would call them. The big stuff is actually harder to see since they invest more time and money in it, but eventually you come to realize almost everything is part of the big production. It seems almost all escapist feature films are either an extended commercial, or trying to sell you some kind of politically correct crap that says you must sell your soul for the greater good. Even though we work like hell to think for ourselves, I wonder how we would come across to someone from a hundred years ago(I know we already went into the future with the sports topic), most likely as insane, but not nearly as insane as those who have bought into these lies. It is very hard to sidestep the pollution of this place we live in(Patrick calls it the New Civ, so I will save him the trouble) and I often wonder if the good path seemed as narrow for those in the past as it will seem to us.

        3. I used to think that too, but there is so much bleed over from just casual internet use, and media bombardment in everyday life, that I find I get all I need to know what they are up to.

    2. Important to get this point out to people: the psych system is a cash cow for all it’s minions, not just the psychiatrists or pharmaceutical company CEO’s. Someone on here in the last few months advised against being friends with people in the media, as the entire industry is sociopathic.

      My sense of Big Pharma, as in those who work for the pharmaceutical companies, is that they’re not so much sociopathic as totally justifying of the business because it is their livelihood, so I’ve learned to stay far away from them just for that reason. Even reasonable people in it, like chemists, etc., will not be the slightest bit when put to the test of choosing obvious truth over the lies their earnings are based on. I believe that something like more than 60% of the profits stem from psychopharmaceuticals. Think about how much money there is to be made by forcing healthy young people on cocktails of drugs they ‘need’ for their whole lives.

      Those who are part of the interpersonal web of ‘helping’ the ‘mentally ill’ are all sociopathic inherently, or at least have tendencies therein. Most are beyond drunk on power themselves, and have completely lost all sense of perspective on themselves.

      The few who are lost and stuck somewhere in the system, but who aren’t sociopaths, tend to be very bitter as they know what the rest are.

      But exposing how much grease is applied to the machine, and what fuels it, is key. Most of what pays for the personnel is our tax dollars, and insurance premiums.

      1. Sue, I wouldn’t argue with any of that. It isn’t confined to psychology either. “Science”, or any other endeavor that depends on grant money or profits for its existence is subject.

        That is the primary reason why we have money and why those who seek to control it use it. Between the awareness of people’s psychological persuasions, and the ability to manipulate them through funding, it is a handy device for control.

        Just like the entertainment industry is used to model behavior for the eaters, the psychological industry is used to dull the senses of those who might revolt. It’s a full spectrum operation.

        They encourage psychopaths to let their most twisted, unbalanced urges run amok and define “mental health” as something other than it is. There aren’t any aspects of life that aren’t touched by this universal manipulation. The only cure for it is personal awareness. For us it’s a cure, for them it’s an “illness”.

  30. Another shooting in vegas, and the perps have committed suicide. Why? They were supposedly telling everyone in their apartment complex they were looking to kill some cops. So they kill two cops, go to Wal-Mart and kill a woman, and the kill themselves. Why? If you are so intent on killing police officers, why not shoot it out until the end? You can’t kill cops when you are dead.

    I also heard there may have been a concealed carry permit holder in the building. These incidents, ever increasing are going to create a dilemma for the CCW holder. How can you successfully defend yourself(from a shooter), or exit the building without getting immediately shot to pieces by the police. Of course the shooters have been labeled white supremacists, and supposedly took the time to drape a Gadsden flag(don’t tread on me) over the slain officers. Witnesses from the apartment complex also claim they were meth heads. The police also claim the couple was new in town, and the man was a “peter pan” street performer. Wait, what?

    1. Also of note, there was an explosion heard the night before at their apartment complex, neighbors claimed the two “appeared militant”, and the first article in the Las Vegas review journal, claimed that the woman shot the man, then killed herself, then the man killed himself.?!?! While other sources say she killed him and then herself. Also, more than one person at the apartment complex claimed the two were “militant”.

    2. And now they’re claiming neighbors have labelled them as-wait for it-conspiracy theorists.I called it the minute I heard it was reported they were shouting about a “revolution”.Get those “crazy truthers” gathered up and on medication-NOW.smh…..

  31. Well what do you guys think of the Slenderman stabbing craze?

    I’m getting to the point where I can’t even be bothered scrutinizing these alleged crimes anymore. Where the truth begins and ends in any specific one, or in the whole span of them, is just mind-boggling to try to figure out, given how many supposed incidents keep occurring.

    This Slenderman thing just seems faux though, in it’s basic premise that kids past 8 don’t know fantasy from reality. Human beings’ brains haven’t changed, and I doubt that internet addiction has caused this extreme distortion to occur. If anything, I think avid reading in a kid (something I did) would tend to cause him/her to lose themselves even more in imagination or fantasy than the internet since the net is interactive with at least some people a child’s mind cannot control or create the way it can when reading. When I’d read sometimes as a child I’d get so invested and lost in some fiction books that I’d have to sort of adjust a bit in my mood before coming back to ‘reality,’ although that never included a cognitive inability to discern that reality from the inner world some story engaged me in. Once around fourth or fifth grade I even mourned my favorite character in a science fiction book for a brief time, but it still was a mood that had no cognitive elements of confusion whatsoever. The only time I remember experiencing that was in second grade, exactly the age upon which children are known to finally purely separate fantasy/iimagination from reality.

    In short, I’m highly suspicious of these reports and think they’re furthering some agenda related to ‘mental illness.’

      1. I was pointing out that claiming these 12 year olds, et al, don’t know the difference between fantasy and imagination is ridiculous, not that children are incapable of crime. The Slenderman crimes are being called a function of ‘mental illness.’ I simply do not conflate evil and malice with ‘mental illness.’

      2. I think these internet-instigated crimes which are allegedly driven by ‘mentally ill’ kids are just stage-setting for shutting down the internet. These stories plug for mental illness as a group phenomenon (folie a deux, or trois, etc. meaning folly of two, or three – mental illness which afflicts more than one individual person). Any group that gets together and voices challenge to the New World Order will soon be deemed ‘mentally ill’ and ‘dangerous.’ even though the concept of schizophrenia or manic depression’s psychosis was that it was a disease of one person’s mind. These diseases used to be defined by the fact that their sufferers weren’t able to recognize the same concrete material reality everyone else can.

        1. I completely agree. Also note how they are trying them as adults. Too young to have sex, too young to drive, too young to drink yet they can be tried as adults.

        2. Well, they weren’t too young for attempted murder, were they?? That’s an adult crime.

        3. I don’t understand what you are saying.
          I don’t believe that two twelve year old girls plotted for two months to kill their friend either. That isn’t what girls that age do. stabbing doesn’t really take much planning anyway. Take knife – stick knife. The supposed victim looks exactly like one of the actors they were prosecuting in court as well. No blood. No evidence, just media claims as usual. Do we really need to discuss every case? If it is on the news – it’s fake.

      3. What is the message here? “They’re all insane. They’re everywhere. We have to DO something, quick”.

        Can kids kill? Sure. Does it happen a lot? No. Should kids be tried as adults? NO, they’re kids!

        While I have no doubt that the current insanity we’re living through has implications for everyone’s sanity, even kids, something in these events just doesn’t ring true.

        What is the purpose of hyping insane stories like these? Ever read a fairy tale? Some of those are pretty suggestive.

        So, now kids are a threat. They should be observed constantly by “experts”. Can’t trust the parents, after all. It’s amazing we all lived through the “Freddy Kruger” thing.

  32. File under “Active Shooter Drills Can Appear to Be REAL”…

    Active shooter drill scares Florida workers

    FORT WALTON BEACH (AP) — Florida’s Department of Health is investigating what went wrong with an office shooting drill at a Panhandle county health department.

    Most Okaloosa County Health Department employees did not realize they were part of a drill when a police officer entered their office to simulate an active shooting in early March, The Northwest Florida Daily News reported Sunday.

    “A lot of people panicked, including my wife,” said Fort Walton Beach City Manager Michael Beedie, whose spouse, Katherine, works at the Health Department.

    Beedie said his wife ran from the building in search of help when the mock shooting began.

    “She took off running, went maybe half a mile. There’s a police officer who sits at one location a lot so she ran to that area. She told him a shooter was at the Health Department,” Michael Beedie said.

    The officer told her that it was just an exercise.
    [end excerpt]

    “Code Gray” exercise under investigation by state

    A “Code Gray” active shooter exercise conducted in early March at the Okaloosa County Health Department may have gone a little too well for those who coordinated it.

    The event is presently under investigation by the Florida Department of Health and, according to Fort Walton Beach Police spokeswoman Kathy McCauley, a “lawsuit is pending” as a result of the exercise.

    On March 7, the county Health Department recruited at least one Fort Walton Beach police officer to enter its office as “an active shooter” to test the response of the staff.

    [end excerpt]

    1. Drills just like real world shooter incidents (if there are any real ones) are designed to terrorize the public as well(oh dear, what if it was real? we would all be dead, sniff, sniff!). What happens when someone pulls a concealed carry weapon out and dusts a mock shooter in a surprise drill like this? Some people take their CCW rights very seriously, and train just as hard as the police. This is going to happen.

      1. I think they were also designed to condition the people who are either performing the drill-hoaxes or who are directly around them, so that the line between reality and ‘drill’ are blurred.

      2. Me too Sue. It’s like an onion. There are multiple levels of this conditioning. When they float an implausible story, it creates a surreal atmosphere. With enough exposure, as you say, the lines between “real” and “contrived” are blurred.

        When people react emotionally to these they usually are not thinking. It is like scary background noise. They just want someone to make it go away.

        I suspect that accounts for the flakiness of some of the plots.

    1. Good one! Richard martinez is the most fake thing in the Isla Vista shooting, just can’t believe he is a genuine person.

      “Grieving process
      Every step of the process is natural and healthy. It is only when a person gets stuck in one step for a long period of time that the grieving can become unhealthy, destructive and even dangerous. Going through the grieving process is not the same for everyone, but everyone does have a common goal; acceptance of the loss and to keep moving forward. This process is different for every person but can be understood in four or more stages, depending upon the theory that is being used. In the four step model there are:

      Shock and Denial
      Shock is the initial reaction to loss. Shock is the person’s emotional protection from being too suddenly overwhelmed by the loss. The person may not yet be willing or able to believe what their mind knows to be true. This stage normally lasts two or three months.

      Intense Concern
      Intense concern often manifests by being unable to think of anything else. Even during daily tasks, thoughts of the loss keep coming to mind. Conversations with one at this stage always turn to the loss as well. This period may last from six months to a year.

      Despair and Depression
      Despair and depression is a long period of grief, the most painful and protracted stage for the griever (during which the person gradually comes to terms with the reality of the loss). The process typically involves a wide range of feelings, thoughts, and behaviors. Many behaviors may be irrational. Depression can include feelings of anger, guilt, sadness and anxiety.

      The goal of grieving is not the elimination of all the pain or the memories of the loss. In this stage, one shows a new interest in daily activities and begins to function normally day to day. The goal is to reorganize one’s life, so the loss is an important part of life rather than its center.”


    The zionists are hoping our vertigo alone will make us give in. I seriously can’t keep up with this crap. They’re saying those Las Vegas shooters were connected to the Bundys and the Tea Party. It’ll be every other day till Ryan gets his bill passed, or Thompson.

    But no one wants to do anything.

    1. Hmm…this one actually looks pretty real so far…but I’d wager at least half of these stories are actually false in some major way. Some people are noting they keep happening in liberal states…

      1. What about it looks real? They really locked down the school and bussed the kids to fred meyer. they really searched all the kids and made them leave all their belongings and made them walk out of the school with their hands in the air like they are criminals. They really showed us what they will do to our kids some day when they pull the plug except they won’t be bussed to fred meyer, it will be a fema detention camp where they will be held ransom for their parents. That much is real. The rest I am sure is fake. convenient how the shooting happened in the locker room where there are no cameras. who knows maybe they have cameras in the locker rooms now too.

    2. The Bundys have explicitly stated that Jared and Amanda Miller were among the few told to leave the standoff with BLM. Despite many hit pieces, some major media reports have actually been quite clear about this.

      1. The Vigilant Citizen published an analysis of this creepy story yesterday (, and mentions that aspect of it:

        “The Miller couple was however kicked out of the ranch soon after. While the official reason of the expulsion was Jerad’s past felonies, members of the ranch stated that the couple was “annoying” and “too radical”. Did they have suspicions that Jerad was a government agent sent to infiltrate and maybe push them to violence?

        “A few months after Jerad’s appearance on NBC News (why was HE chosen to appear in that interview?), the entire Bundy Standoff issue – which was gaining some public sympathy – is now associated with cop-killing, White Supremacists. This is how you discredit movements and turn public opinion against them.

        “News sources also linked Jerad Miller to Alex Jones and his Infowars website. It was discovered that a post entitled The Police (to kill or not to kill?) was posted by a user named jerad on May 28th 2012, where the user rants about constitutional rights and his hate for police. This lead news sources to cite Infowars and “conspiracy theorists” as a factor leading to the shooting.”

      2. patrick, do you really believe it’s that easy to actually get someone to do something like murder people and then kill themselves? I have a friend who’s tried to explain some of these incidents, like Aurora or Sandy Hook, in these terms, but I think it’s much easier to keep people from doing something than it is to *get* them to do something they wouldn’t otherwise.

        So Jerad Miller (whose incident I haven’t scrutinized as of yet) would have been much more likely to have popped off on his own, or to be semi-fictionalized by the governmedia (can’t decide whose term for that I like better…) in his spontaneous act of popping off.

        I just don’t see how he might have been planted in the Bundy, et al, scene but then was somehow induced to actually kill himself and others – unless you’re suggesting that he didn’t actually commit these murders and they’re simply staged.

      3. As with you, Sue, I have not examined that spectacle, so I have no valid opinion. I visit the Vigilant Citizen site each morning, hoping a new article has appeared, and it is in my rotation after MHB. When I read it, I remembered James’ comment, and thought it would be helpful to the rest of his readers.

        As for your concerns, I share all of them. I just wanted to pass along the story, which I found interesting.

        I DO know that SRA/DID, MKULTRA mind control is real, and there are lots of such slaves “sleeping” in the background, waiting to be activated. It is a subject I have considerable knowledge about. Whether it is the case here, I have no way of knowing. I couldn’t even say that anyone was really killed, as of yet.

        I wish I could be of more help in this matter. As is usually the case, it’s best to wait.

      4. My what a “coincidence” that they would be filmed at the Bundy’s. Of all the people there. A lesser person might suspect that someone was gathering “stock footage” for a later event.

        I can’t help but notice that one continuing failure is their compulsion to over act. Who directs these things anyway?

      5. Sue, let’s suppose that they came to this couple. He has a “checkered past”, maybe he’s in some recent trouble. He’s at least an amateur actor.

        Now they start working on him. They can fix whatever problems he may have. They offer money, etc.. They tell him that they have an assignment for them. An acting job. They are gathering information on “militia types” and need their help.

        While all this is going on they get a little physical and psychological “evaluation”. They don’t remember part of that operation.

        They send them to the Bundy’s where they are filmed. They have them make posts on social websites. In short, they are “sheep dipped”.

        Their handler tells them they are headed to Las Vegas. It’ll be a hoot. They are going to help them draw some more unsavory types out.

        At some point a “trigger” is used. They don’t remember anything after that (ever).

        Do I think someone can be made to do something they wouldn’t do otherwise? ABSOLUTELY!

        I’ve said before, what makes it “real” or “contrived’ isn’t whether anybody actually dies.

      6. One of the things to remember lophatt, is that if someone really dies, their relatives cannot necessarily be so easily coached. In Isla Vista it becomes more and more obvious that the families of both Rodger and Chen, Wang, and Hong are following a script in which characters say things that seem counter-intuitive to the situation and which are clearly designed to push a political agenda. The lobbying is the point of the whole exercise and parents of actual victims can’t be fed lines.

        In a case like the Las Vegas shooters their families aren’t being deployed to lobby, so perhaps they could have been somehow made to do something they otherwise wouldn’t. But in most of the incidents we’re ‘seeing,’ the reaction of the survivors/families is key to the goal.

    3. I’m not questioning whether or not the Oregon shooting happened at this point, but there was an eyewitness who spoke on camera to a reporter who said, unequivocally, that there was more than one shooter, and that at least one of the perpetrators appeared to be in his 20s:

      I can’t find any indication of this in the most recent narrative, can you?

      1. Pretty weird interview. He got all quiet at the end, and was staring at the ground. How do you feel? “really bad”. I can’t wait to see how they spin that two shooters account he gave.

        1. No doubt, he’s a weird kid (plenty of comments about that on the video), but he seems pretty sure about what happened. I suppose he COULD have been reading a script (I guess anything is possible), but he certainly wouldn’t have been my first choice as an actor.

      2. I keep saying that the “definition” of what is “real” or not isn’t whether anybody died. I think they use any “opportunity”, whether they create it or not. The use of actors is also optional. It depends on what the “director” wants to do.

        It is at least a two-part method. They take TEE VEE shows (for example) and plant little “ideas” in them. They are not obvious to the general public. Those ideas “imbed” in their subconscious minds. Later, where a “real” incident happens and is spun, or they contrive an extravaganza, they “harvest” those seeds.

        The more unlikely a chosen meme is to actually happen unassisted, the more necessary it is to stage one. What good is an imaginary “threat” if it never happens?

    4. I’ve referred a couple times to ‘Ryan’ when I should have been naming Representative Murphy. I’ve also mistakenly called Richard Martinez ‘Alex’ once or twice – sorry.

    1. This article from the DM has even more specifics. Apparently two of the chinese roommates/friends’ families asked Alex Martinez to read statements by them in which they ask for more gun control on behalf of their sons.

      And Barbara Walters will come out of her ‘retirement’ to interview Peter Rodger on 20/20. Doesn’t indicate that Elliot’s wife will be there, which is very interesting, imo, as she was allegedly the parent who had first discovered the videos and notified the police. It’s a bit too inconvenient for me, all the posturing and specific role-playing that’s going on. If Li Chinn (Elliot’s mother) were to appear in the interview Barbara would look ridiculous if she didn’t ask certain questions, like, why were you satisfied when the cops had Elliot call you when he should have been screened?, etc. etc.

      I’m going to take the time to read more of the manifesto so I can better comment on whether this is a psyop from the start, but will say now that the more I see of the Rodger family’s reaction the more obvious they’re complicity becomes.

    2. Probably so they could get their schedules cleared for a whirlwind tour of the talk show circuit.
      Seems “they” are taking the Amish route, and expressing forgiveness like Lophatt was talking about in a comment a while back. I would bet anything that those photos were not taken on June first. I would also bet “they” read this blog religiously.

      I was also wondering if anyone has seen any photos showing either of these guys with their sons?

      1. I’ve seen a couple of Peter and Elliot, none of Alex and Chris. ‘They’ absolutely read memoryhole and have kindly obliged my personal request for more info on the altercation at the party:

        The new and revised edition of the fight has someone – not Elliot – calling the cops so they could interview him presumably in the ER while his broken ankle was being treated. In this version Elliot did NOT want to speak to them. We’re not told who called them or why they didn’t also call his parents, whose insurance would have had to be applied to pay the bill. The article includes the three page police report but I’m sort of scared to peruse it; every update seems to feature, besides contradiction of the earlier ones, new lies that just seem more and more absurd. Other posters don’t seem to take such offense at being lied to so wantonly; I struggle to scrutinize the ‘official’ reports’ lies because to do so actually scares me somewhat. How on earth did the cops even find this alleged witness/participant, ‘Yukito Isoda?’ If Elliot were in fact so scared of the cops discovering his aggressive acts, then why would he even give them the actual address of the party? Even if he had (if he even knew it!), does anyone really think they would have bothered to find the house or the witness? Don’t small altercations happen all the time at college parties? Would the resident/host have even known who had been involved? Ten months prior would have been July or August…which seems an odd time for a college party anyway. Elliot didn’t want to speak to the cops but they went and hunted down the other participants in the fight anyway?

        Does anyone understand why I find the process of scrutinizing ‘official’ reports so uncomfortable? To do so is to have to confront that ‘they’ are pathological and nonsensical liars. To name their machinations and deceits is to risk being called ‘crazy’ and ‘dangerous.’ Please note that the Slenderman stories dovetail with the claim that Elliot’s ‘mental illness/sociopathology’ is alleged to have begun developing when he was 11, precisely the same age the two girls are who supposedly stabbed their friend to appease Slenderman.

        Mother Jones states:

        “…In his manifesto, he called attacking the women “one of the most foolish and rash things I ever did” and expressed regret that he had “almost risked everything” by doing it. “I had to concoct a fairly altered story to explain to the police, who would inevitably have to interview me,” he wrote.

        The following day, two sheriff’s deputies visited Rodger in Goleta Valley Cottage Hospital, where he was being treated for his broken ankle, and questioned him about the previous night’s altercations. According to the police report, Rodger told the officers that he had gotten into an argument with four guys and had called one of them “ugly,” after which the men pushed him off the ledge. Contrary to the account in his manifesto, Rodger claimed that he had immediately “stumbled his way into the front yard” of a nearby house, where another group of about 10 men approached him and said, “Get the fuck out of here.” He told the police these men dragged him toward the driveway, kicking and punching him. One called him “faggot.”

        When the deputies asked him why he hadn’t contacted the police, Rodger replied, “I didn’t know who to call.” The officers suspected he was holding back information. “During my contact with Rodger he appeared to not be forth coming with me,” officer M. West wrote in his report. “He appeared timid and shy and would not go into great detail about what had occurred.” The officers then spoke to one of the party goers who witnessed the first altercation, a 26-year-old man named Yukito Isoda. He told a much different story. According to the police report, he recalled that Rodger was behaving strangely before the incident and “did not appear to be socializing with people at the party.” When Rodger tried to shove two women off the ledge, Isoda said he “caught one of the females who was pushed, preventing her from falling.” He also said that a second woman “fell into a cradle position to prevent herself from falling off the ledge” and that Rodger “pushed two more people before jumping off of the 10 ft. ledge and running” away.

        Rodger was terrified that the police would search his room and find the guns he had been stockpiling and papers detailing his murderous plot.
        The sheriff’s office ultimately concluded that Rodger had instigated the fight, after which the investigation ended. According to police records, Rodger was not arrested or interrogated further. His fear that this incident would lead police to thwart his deadly attack was never realized.”

        In a case so rife with misogyny, it’s also interesting to note that every ‘witness’ or ‘survivor’ who has spoken out is a male.

      2. ‘Mentally ill’ kids being detained in police jail cells in the UK:

        I doubt this story is unrelated to the ones about Elliot, the Slenderman murderesses, or the mass movement that has been pushed in the last few years to maintain the state-supported ‘mental’ institutions both in the US and what I suspect is the UK.

        People might not realize it but push back against the closing down of these institutions in places like New York and New Jersey has been intense, replete with fake NYC media stories about the allegedly ‘mentally ill’ going on homicidal rampages beginning last summer. I am planning a longer post about this campaign highlighting it’s tactics and goals…

        1. Not surprising so many children are losing their grip. Its hard enough to keep it together as an adult amidst the insanity. It makes me wonder if the ones having the breakdowns (not the murderers mind you) are the normal ones.

      3. There is always a danger in trying to “analyze” these things that we forget how contrived they are. Any of us could make up a story. We could take pictures and string them together to support our tale. If we had access to the MSM we could get them to plaster them worldwide, complete with accompanying narrative.

        One of the hallmarks of these operations is that the story emerges, almost instantly, full blown. Details that would take an investigative reporter weeks to uncover are known within hours. All of the details support the “call for action”.

        It is difficult, if not impossible, to know whether they select people for these because of their proclivities, or they cause their actions. It could easily work either way.

        So, in a sense, the call for more “mental health screening”, etc., could just as well be a call for more targets. The stories of people victimized in this way are virtually endless.

        At the end of the day we don’t know whether something actually happened, happened as described, happened on purpose or had anything to do with the stated cause. We can speculate, we can’t know.

        Given what we DO know, skepticism is the healthiest choice. To do otherwise would be to put our trust in those who don’t deserve it.

  34. I ‘analyze’ or deconstruct the claims made by the police and media to expose how contradictory and absurd they are. I think it’s important to ground our critiques in concretes, and then proceed from there. For any fence-sitters, I’d think the highly improbable and downright illogical aspects of the reports on the police interview of Elliot regarding the broken ankle and drunken altercation would bring some clarity. Here’s a report that actually contains a supposed image of Isoda…it asserts that Elliot called the cops to try to press charges:

    They make sure to quote the sections of the manifesto in which Elliot described his confrontation with Isoda. I still don’t get how one walks or even stumbles on a broken ankle. As for the manifesto I’m still working on it. It’s incredibly tedious and overall infuriating (if it’s fake) to read.

  35. Latest news, three roommates’ families are talkingc:

    No s**t, just in about five minutes of trying to compose this post the first link changed from one version of the article to a profoundly different one that is the first one above. Very odd.

    One interesting thing is that I think the first version of the Post’s article mentioned that Elliot had been ‘randomly assigned’ to live with the two UCSB students – except hasn’t it been clarified that Elliot went to a different college located in the city? I’m certain that it has, but they’ll just come up with a different version in the next few hours…

    The parents sound very coached to me in terms of the content of what they’re quoted saying.

    It appears the handlers are angling to claim Elliot poisoned the three guys as a means of explaining the oddity of him dominating three men. And the bodies are said to have all been in a ‘confined area,’ as a means of answering the questions about how not one fled successfully.

    ‘They’ definitely read memoryhole, as I’ve said before. I’d feel flattered but somehow I don’t think the ending will be congratulatory.

    1. This angle is especially interesting, especially in light of the fact that Elliott didn’t go to UCSB, he went to (or dropped out of, or was trying to get into…it’s pretty murky) SBCC. Why a kid like ER would move away to attend a community college in the first place is beyond me, especially a “party school” like SBCC. In CA, there are lots of community colleges to choose from. I wonder who was footing the bill? Probably dad, but has there been any mention of that?

      Your point about the cops’ arresting and jailing someone over a roommate-property dispute is right on…the narrative seems ridiculous, but however unlikely, I suppose it’s not impossible. But you’d think the cops would have bigger fish to fry, especially in a free-for-all, party environment like Isla Vista.

      1. This notion that two separate colleges ‘assigned’ these three students to live together seems far-fetched. I attended two universities located in urbanesque areas; both Student Life offices provided off campus housing listings but neither attempted to place any student in off campus housing they didn’t own. So who rented this apartment to these students? One of my universities’ medium to small city was home to a community college but never did I hear of my state university or the county college coordinating to house students. I doubt there would be much sharing of any types of facilities as they would be difficult to govern over and would pose potential liability problems. I’ve just never heard of it. I’ve never heard of a college or university that got involved at all with off campus housing facilities they don’t own. My first college owned a row of houses that weren’t technically within campus limits but the street it was on faced the campus. Beyond that, everyone who lived off campus was on their own to deal with landlords. There would break out tense fights between residents and students living in the surrounding neighborhood (college students are of course loud, obnoxious and prone to drunken rowdiness) but only when a student broke a law outside their apartment did the university step in. Once a group of guys started turning over cars on their street and the Dean’s Office was called upon to do something, but that’s not a landlord tenant issue. I don’t know how the Dean of Students would have handled an altercation between roommates that happened in an off campus apartment. I think if it were deemed ‘criminal’ they would adjudicate, but they generally had no involvement between landlords and the students or with petty disputes between roommates off campus. Sometimes they even ignored petty disputes between roommates on campus.

        So, we’re told that two wholly separate colleges got together to assign both Elliot from one and his two roommates from the other to live together.

        How is this getting past people?! Who owned the apartment? Why didn’t the two boys leave if they felt so threatened? We’re told that James Hong didn’t challenge Elliot’s pressing a charge of petty theft against him because he and David Wang didn’t want to further enrage Elliot, so we can conclude they were plenty aware he was scary. Yet then Hong’s mother or father says their boys were so ‘trusting.’

        It’s just too ridiculous to believe from so many angles. I’m also very skeptical about this wiping of Hong’s record. Expungement is a very strictly codified legal process in the US. Each state has it’s own sub- rules about it but there are federal guidelines that are considered very important, as one’s criminal record is a federal issue that bears weight on any criminal proceedings a perpetrator undergoes in any state. I’m pretty certain only a live person can have their record expunged. When it’s said that Hong’s record was wiped clean because it’s ‘the right thing to do,’ what they’re really saying is don’t ask for the record because you won’t get it.

        I may be grandiose, but I do feel as if I’ve been written into the script. We all have been here at memoryhole. The ‘truth’ of what happened is a work in progress that evolves and morphs as it’s creators stage each successive act. The three boys’ parents have now become the ‘good reporter’ in their pondering over Elliot’s feat of physical domination. They warn us not to inquire further about how Elliot managed to murder all three boys because they ‘don’t want to know.’

        I doubt that was part of their original role, but this is Improv Theater 400 here, folks.

      2. Well just as I was finishing, a new article appears. At last we have tears!

        Does the picture of the two crying mothers look staged or am I just a heartless ‘mentally ill’ ‘conspiracy’-monger?

        The article states:

        “Even during their final moments, the Hong, Wang and Chen families said they believe the sheriff’s department failed their sons. The parents said the apartment manager called 911 on the evening of May 23 after receiving a copy of the manifesto, in which Rodger said he planned to start by killing his roommates, and asked deputies to come to the complex. But the manager said no one entered the apartment until well after midnight, the parents said.

        Hoover, the sheriff’s department spokeswoman, would not say when deputies ultimately entered the apartment, saying, “There were a lot of moving parts that evening; there was a lot to consider when responding to the location.”

        When the families met privately with Brown on the Monday after the rampage, they asked about the response time. The parents said at first he said “within an hour.” When pressed, they said, he finally acknowledged that he wasn’t sure.

        During their interview with a reporter, the three families said they were confused by the life Rodger described in his manifesto: struggling with mental illness, living far away from his family, with no job and only part-time college course work to fill his time. The victims’ parents said they were particularly troubled by Rodger’s disclosure that he used money given to him by relatives to buy the murder weapons.

        “They knew he had problems. Why couldn’t they do more?” Kelly Wang said.

        “They do everything to protect the confidentiality of the person who is mentally ill,” Henry Hong said. “What about the six lives that were taken? Why is the killer’s life more important?”

        So the ‘apartment manager’ was sent a copy of the manifesto by Elliot. Who is this person? If he were ‘managing’ a university-owned apartment, he’d have some university title and would have called campus security and the Dean of Students office immediately, along with the cops. This relates to the candle incident; James and David would have involved the Dean of Students (and the cops would have deferred to them) had the apartment been owned by the university. This article describes Elliot as having attended UCSB even though previous ones specifically stated otherwise (and if no one knows this, most four year colleges/universities require special permission for undergraduates to take a part time course load). On top of those obvious discrepancies, didn’t the manifesto not mention Elliot’s plan to murder people until the end of the 140 page document? Aren’t we as citizens entitled to hear a copy of this alleged 911 call?

        This is the first I have encountered mention of this ‘apartment manager’ who ‘received an email of the manifesto’ and then ‘called 911.’ I think this is the improv part where the writers/actors on stage respond to audience (our) participation. The grieving parents do have anger towards the police, they assure us, it’s just not about the lack of ordering a screening the month before! They met with the cops but didn’t ask any questions about the protocol for ordering psych evaluations. They’re not mad at the Rodgers for producing and supporting a spoiled little sociopath, just that the system didn’t ‘allow the Rodgers to do more.’ They don’t wonder why the university (which one it was depends on the day) didn’t step in to address belligerent conduct by a student who was already on a part time schedule (which suggests for UCSB that he was considered disabled or emotionally troubled/’mentally ill’ – a status that would involve being overseen by a campus-appointed therapist).

        Anyone who buys this part of the plot – that these men were victims – after scrutinizing the details is simply in willful denial.

        But there is still nothing from the girls’ families, and the details surrounding their deaths are the least problematic so it does seem Veronica and Katie *may* have been authentic victims (although whose precisely remains unclear). One would think at least one family would demand real answers if that were so, though. Their characters may have been written along this vein to present a ‘diversity’ of reaction that was glaringly lacking in Sandy Hook. But with all the misdirected outrage and lobbying coming out of the other victims’ families it seems odd that the Weisses and the Coopers wouldn’t weigh in at some point and get to the actual truth that the law as it stands should have prevented their loved ones’ murders – if they are authentic survivors, that is.

        Or they could just be scared…

      3. Sue, good catch on the “suggested housing”. I went to both a community college and two universities in California. I have NEVER heard of an arrangement like that.

        At the community colleges most live with their parents. If they don’t, they’re on their own. The most the school would do is list vacancies in the area.

        It is curious (to me at least), why they keep putting details like these in these tales. Either the authors are from an area where things like that happen, or they think their readers are too obtuse to notice.

        The fact that you found that shows you’re highly attuned.


    John Friend really misses the mark in his article on Elliot Rodger’s use of Xanax. I personally do not think most of these shootings are caused by the prescription drugs; I think they’re either faked or massaged. In Columbine isn’t there ample evidence that the shooters outrageous provocations and previous lawbreaking were ignored by a specific cop?

    I seem to be the only person, or one of very few, who is exposing the truth. The basic laws and policies regarding screenings were violated.

    It is very telling that the roommates’ families have anger about the ‘mental health system’ but none towards the police who allegedly chose to violate protocol. It’s some of the strongest evidence that the roommates are not real. Normal parents who were angry would be suing the cops.

  37. Another problem with the parents’ version of events. In one article (I think George Chen’s) a mother claims that the incident about the candles involved Elliot stealing a measuring cup (the details change depending on the article) while the two roommates were cooking. George (?) then grabbed Elliot’s candles to hold hostage until Elliiot returned the measuring cup. Elliot called the police and a cop then handcuffed George.

    First, several allusions were made to the fact that Elliot actually went before a judge and managed to convince the court that his roommate was guilty. What happened to that version? Now we have some arrest being made by a cop in the apartment.

    If anyone’s ever rented a room before, they might know that police hate involving themselves in roommate/landlord/tenant disputes, particularly when property is at issue. They consider that ‘civil’ and will avoid applying any criminal process to disputes over material things. Even when there are allegations of physical assault between roommates, as opposed to spouses or boyfriends and girflfriends, they are loathe to involve themselves. I have seen this play out chronically.

    The chances that the cops actually came to the apartment to begin with to resolve a dispute over a measuring cup and a couple of candles are already extremely low. I’m completely comfortable saying that no cop handcuffed George Chen for petty theft because Elliot claimed George stole them. At best the cop might have encouraged Elliot to file a complaint, and then pursue the matter in small claims court. But arrest a roommate in this situation, over two candles? Most Dean of Students’ offices wouldn’t do anything major in such a situation.

    Add onto that the fact that it was Elliot’s word against the two roommates’ and this just gets more and more absurd.

    Peter Rodger will be appearing on 20/20 on 6/27 with Barbara Walters.

    1. ETA: I just re-read one article and there aren’t quotation marks around the passages describing the incident with the candles. So it’s actually not clear who is recounting the details of what happened in that instance.

      And it was James Hong who allegedly got into the standoff with Elliot over the candles. One article mentions that his record has been wiped clean because ‘it was the right thing to do:’

    2. The intent is to keep the TV viewing sofa warmers in constant suspension, never getting their feet on the ground.

      This Rodgers character must be the envy and hero of the Hannibal Lecters of the world, and Barbara Walters is being dug out from the scary dungeon to conduct an interview with the father. At least this alleged mass murderer purportedly has a father. Dad of 2012 Peter Lanza, who just celebrated another father’s day, is nowhere to be found.

      Can’t make any of this s…t up. They do it for us.

      1. Wow, this video is hit and miss it seems to me, as has been the pattern with this producer. But the revelation that Elliot is Soumaya’s son! That part seems right on by looking at them! Compare the face of Chi Lin to Elliot’s. I’ve sensed she and he don’t resemble each other too much but my brain’s never processed it. I’m not really impressed with the part about Peter Rodger but this possibility is important.

        1. Dad makes so many bizarre statements, but I had a couple of comments on a notable few:

          Dad, recalling “the good years”: “He [Elliott] would laugh so much sometimes we were afraid he would choke.” It kind of reminds me of the inappropriate recollections of the S.H. parents (“We called her “our little C.E.O.!”).

          When Elliot was seven, his parents (father?) brought in therapists to help “integrate him into society.” Really? Well, yes: “He was a very, very, very, very shy…shy boy.” Does that mean Elliott was four times shier than someone described with just one “very”? That “shyness” his father refers to couldn’t have had anything to do with the way Mom and Dad handled the divorce, or the fact that Dad remarried a narcissistic nudist barely a year later, could it?

          And what’s up with Barbara’s statement to Dad, “You are a very good looking man,” as though that’s an objective fact? Are many boys jealous of their dad’s LOOKS? Success, maybe; role in the family, maybe; a father’s power, I can see. But LOOKS? (In any case, Dad’s NOT that good looking…at all.)

          Anybody else notice when Dad was talking about Elliott’s “OCD-like traits” and threw in the tidbit that Elliott liked wearing the same clothes every day? Yet another parallel between Elliott and Adam.

          The clip’s wrap up was interesting as well: the whole, “American horror story” bit, driving home the point that ANY one, even (especially!) those appearing the most normal, might actually be harboring a homicidal alter ego. BE AFRAID, BE VERY AFRAID! Be afraid of strangers (especially in movie theaters)! Be afraid of your co-workers (who might just “go postal” on you), your neighbors (who might be keeping underaged sex slaves in the garage)…and now, your own family! There’s no telling what they might do!

          As far as Elliott’s maternity (is that the word for it?), it could go either way. He does not look particularly Asian to me, though his eyes were more almond-shaped when he was little (he was a darling child, I think). He started looking more like his step-mother as he got older. What’s her racial profile, does anyone know?

      2. Yes Anne, “Dad”, being an accomplished propagandist by trade, is undoubtedly useful to them. “Peter”, on the other hand, has limited potential for future productions.

        Trotting “Baba Wa Wa” out of retirement only points to how important they find this sales pitch to be. I wonder who gets to decide which episode of senseless violence is “important”?

        Just like with the Kardashians, people live vicariously through celebrities. If a ghetto kid gets gunned down they don’t make a celebrity out of him. When “Dad” is an operative and has “potential” as a celebrity, they go the distance with interviews, speaking engagements, etc..

        One point that we don’t discuss much here is that the Government actually announced that they would be doing propaganda productions to sell their agenda. They didn’t say what form they would take. Couple that with recent court decisions that say they can lie at will to us and you have a perfect formula for a sort of televised novel.

        From what I can determine there is nothing “illegal” about it. Disgusting yes, illegal no. Of course the charity scams are another matter.

        Frankly, at this stage anyone who believes anything they see on TEE VEE is potentially delusional. Even “real” events are spun to push an agenda. So, if the purpose of watching “news” is to find out what happened, TEE VEE is the last place to go.

    3. Sue, of course it sounds absurd, because it is. These things read like there were a group of people sitting around designing a story. “Yeah, and then he……..gets kidnapped by pirates…….and………abducted by aliens”.

      You’ll no doubt notice that all of the memes they are pushing magically appear somewhere in the tale. “Mental health”, guns, cops, the need for “authority” to keep an eye on us.

      While these extravaganzas are patently overt, the same themes are latent in other programs presented for the eater’s enjoyment. One set “plants the seed”, these are the “harvest”.

      1. This business of absurdity relates to the video, too, lophatt–and connects to what Sue said about it. What strikes me is how easy it is today to create entirely fake people. In the old days, they had to “sheep-dip” real people, to create a “legacy,” because there were genuine investigative reporters in the MSM. Today, they can jumble together anything, however absurd, with full confidence the MSM will never look into it. Sue may be correct that this guy is stretching, but it’s obvious that much of it is true. The point?: no one cares.

        Sue, of course, has really been digging into this one, and demonstrating so many impossibilities and absurdities, and I’m sure we’re all grateful for that. She’s disappointed that few others seem to really care about this one, though. I have a theory about that. The false flags are coming fast and furious now, too many to be individually traumatized by. It’s like Lucy in the chocolate factory, or Chaplin in Modern Times, when he falls behind on the assembly line, tries to grab a component that’s slipped ahead, and ends up caught in the gears of the Machine. Lucy stuffed lots of chocolates down her blouse, hoping they won’t be missed; Chaplin tried to keep up with every one of those stupid things he had to wrench-twist. Me, I’d ignore every few, and let them fire me. You can’t make me into a machine–at least until O’Brien gets hold of me.

        But this accelerated pace seems to be a part of the experiment we are all guinea pigs within. Whether it’s comedy (Lucy) or tragedy (Chaplin), THEY arbitrarily turn up the speed of events beyond what human beings are capable of handling–why? Because they are observing us.

      2. Those are good observations Patrick, as usual. I hope Sue understands that I certainly do appreciate her efforts. It isn’t that I don’t think this is “important”, there are just so many of them now, all following the basic pattern.

        I totally agree with the “sheep-dipping” comment. The couple at the Bundy Ranch fit that mold. Now they just tell us whatever “past” the characters are supposed to have and know that no one will dig.

        When you look at virtually everything that is going on around us lately, it seems obvious that they are on a race to destroy it all so that they’ll have an “excuse” to implement what they have planned.

        No one could be that incompetent unless it were on purpose. It’s a regular “Mad Hatter’s Ball”. The whole thing has the flavor of them fearing they’ll run out of time before they complete their work.

      3. Also alarming is the “Not All Men, But All Women” theme arising out of this event; see


        REBECCA SOLNIT: I think what’s important is to look at the broader picture. He killed six people, but three women every day in the United States are killed by domestic partners, ex-husbands, ex-boyfriends, etc. You know, this is not an isolated event, but part of an epidemic. And you can look at other things he did earlier. In his 140-page sort of manifesto autobiography, he talks about trying to push women off a ledge at a party because they weren’t paying attention to [him], throwing coffee on girls who didn’t respond the way he wanted them to. And you can see these micro-aggressions, and just as you can see Laurie Penny being given rape and death threats, that there is a huge, broad network that we need to look at, and not just this guy, but the fact that, as the hashtag says at #YesAllWomen, yes, all women face these kinds of things, not just the women who died and were shot in Isla Vista and the male—you know, the men who got caught in the crossfire. So, you know, I think that we need to broaden the focus from this one guy, who’s no longer alive, and his misery and rage, and to look at the broad picture of how well he fits into a culture of entitlement, how well he fits into a culture of rage, how well he fits into a culture that considers women tools and playthings and property. And then we need to start addressing that.

        So, yeah, I feel like we really shook things up this weekend and that we won the battle of the story. There’s half a million #YesAllWomen tweets. An addressing of the—you know, annoyance of “not all men” as this constant refrain, that changes the subject to the needs of male bystanders, got addressed. And a lot of very powerful women—Laurie Penny, Jennifer Pozner, Amanda Hess and so many more of the great feminist voices of our time—were there immediately to frame this story as a broad story, as a big story, as a story that’s central to our culture, as a story that impacts all women, not just the women who were directly attacked in Isla Vista.

        AMY GOODMAN: Rebecca, explain “yes all women,” those words, that phrase.

        REBECCA SOLNIT: There’s this incredibly annoying phrase, “not all men,” that comes up all the time. You know, you say three women a day are murdered by male partners, and so often some guy will say, “Not all men.” An angry feminist said to me yesterday, you know, “What do they want? A cookie for not raping, beating and murdering?” And, you know, we know it’s not all men, but we need to talk about the fact that it is all women. And that’s what “yes all women” said, is, “Yeah, we know not all men are rapists and murderers, are not abusers and misogynists, but all women are impacted by the men who are.” And that’s where the focus needs to be, because it has such a huge impact.

  38. I was unable to watch or tape the Peter Rodger interview that aired last night with Barbara Walters. Does anyone know how to get a copy? Rodger is getting pretty bad reviews, which is interesting. People sense he’s sleazy and ‘looking to control the narrative’ although so far I don’t see questions about just how sleazy he might be.

    1. Hmm…after watching all these, especially the last link to parts of the video which feature some childhood photos of Elliot, I have to reconsider how little he might resemble Li Chin. It’s hard to know really. Peter’s lines’ just seem so scripted even with more acting professionalism than we’re used to. Does anyone think Barbara is ‘in on it?’

    2. Sue, yes, I’m not “vouching” for the video but I too find the picture of the alleged “Mom” pretty convincing. The whole thing is just too “slick”.

  39. Here’s Peter’s website, which is interestingly mostly just a place for the paid shills to type out supposed self-told stories of people whose ‘illnesses’ somehow ‘fooled’ screeners… Notice there’s no email contact to ask this idiot exactly why he’s not angry the cops didn’t call for a screening.

    We may never know the full specs on this, but it’s inauthenticity is irrefutable in my view. There’s some comic relief when Barbara calls Peter goodlooking in the video cartiermccloud links to. He’s homely if anything. Or maybe just such a creep.

    1. Sue, if you’ll click on the yellow highlighted “comment” you can say what ever you wish. I’m going to leave a comment of my own. It will be interesting to see if he lets it stand. I’m not going to mention this hoax he’s involved in but my own “dizzyness & depression” over ff, hoaxes and that I’m having “trouble” telling the difference between fantasy and reality. Hahaha! I’ll keep you all posted.

      Thanks for finding that link.

    2. Here is Peter’s personal letter on his Helpwebsite:

      It has been one month and three days since my son, Elliot, did the unthinkable. There has not been one conscious second that I haven’t been thinking about the pain and suffering he caused for so many. The ripple affect of his actions has spread to countless thousands. I mourn for the loss of the young women and young men whose lives he ended. I feel for the victims and their families more than for the loss of my own son.

      I do mourn for the lonely boy Elliot was, who disappeared because of a monster of an illness in him that none of us knew was so severe. I wish I could turn the clock back. There are so many “If only’s.”

      I tried my best to do my duty as a father, but obviously my best was not enough. My duty now is to do as much as I can to try and stop this from happening again. Too many lives are being lost. Law enforcement professionals, teachers and health workers on the frontlines of the mental health crisis bear too much of a burden. And, countless families struggle in silence with the consequences of mental illness each day.

      We have to try and stop this. It will be a long journey involving the personal choices of individuals and families, public discussions, mental health reforms, a change in the culture – you name it. My sincere hope is that I can help by telling my story.

      None of us understood what was in Elliot’s head – he hid it from not only his family, but also from mental health professionals and law enforcement. Looking back now through a tragic hindsight, I have begun to understand that there are traits, markers if you will, that family members can look out for in loved ones.

      It’s important to note that the vast majority of mentally ill people are not violent. I am only speaking from my perspective and in the hope that families may be informed, vigilant and more able to take action. I am painfully and honestly trying to both reflect and learn more about what markers matter most. I am sharing my story and my initial reflections in an effort to save others from the kind of pain and suffering that Elliot caused.

      I hope you find the resources on this site useful. It is just a start and by no means comprehensive. I am just doing what I can under the circumstances with the help of family and friends. We have also created a way for you to share your story here if you so choose. My simple message is, if in doubt about a family member, please ask for help.


      Peter Rodger

      In it’s scripted intensity, he only regrets not doing more of his “duty” as a father. No compassion, no love and certainly no interaction with his son, if Elliot really was. You will notice he mentions Mental Health Reforms. This is the key to all the hoaxes. Once they redefine “mental health” we are all going to be set up and put away. That’s how they’ll silence us.

      In watching BaBa’s interview with Peter, I noticed the total lack of upset and emotion from him. Just reading a script. Now they are discussing the “markers” of mental illness which must be “watched out for.”

      As they continue to narrow the field of “acceptable” behavior, monitoring our facial expressions in airports while feeling us up, our range of personal freedom will continue to narrow until they have us completely.

      Well, they won’t have me; they can take me down but I’ll go out with their blood under my fingernails.

      1. It reminds me of that 70’s or 80’s horror movie The Fog. We know it’s there, we just can’t see it. Only a select group of ‘seers’ can detect it and ‘treat’ it. ‘Markers?!’ I love how they just throw this malarkey out there. What are the ‘markers?’ If no one can see it how can we know ‘it’s’ there?

    1. Now we hear of a “life coach”? Where’s this person been? Was he/she mentioned in the (totally fake) manifesto? We got Charles Sophy’s name, where’s the life coach’s?

      1. Here’s a short one that highlights my whole point about the welfare check BS:

        It says:

        “Peter Rodger “does not blame the police,” but he wants laws changed to require police to check and see if an individual owns guns before doing a welfare check on them. He feels regret that police did not know to seize Elliot when they did an April 30 welfare check on him at his mother’s request.
        Said Peter: “If they do a gun check, they would know that Elliot had bought three automatic weapons. They would have the right to seize him for 24 hours, and his whole scheme would have been over and thwarted.”

        Like Peter doesn’t know that the cops had full right to seize him and stick him in the ER for a screening (or even force Elliot into one at his apartment) for up to 72 hours.

        I’ve just never seen anything like this before. This is a hoax we can prove beyond any reasonable doubt, yet no one wants to help me do it. The law already allowed and even called for the cops to have Elliot screened. We can prove this, and that the media and Rodger are lying.

        This is just as important and at this stage possibly more so than Sandy Hook and Patrick’s right; I can’t understand why everyone fails to appreciate both how pivotal this Sandy Hook Part II is and how easy it would be to prove it’s faked – and how imperative. As we type lawmakers are pushing as hard as they can with either of the bills that will end our Bill of Rights forever:

        Both Murphy and Thompson’s bills dovetail with CISPA to essentially effect total tyranny, which installs itself through bureaucratic means far more often than many realize:


        I think it’s Thompson’s that wants to integrate monitoring the internet for ‘mental illness’ and seizing guns and what is then easily humans. But it might be Barber’s; this article isn’t the best I’ve seen but people should be researching this themselves anyway (I can’t find some of the better explanations for what the three bills entail right now).

      2. Wow again! That’s what we need, “mandatory police checks”. I hope they look for knives, hatchets, machetes, and……., rocks. Can’t be too careful.

        Why do I get the feeling this is really about keeping their victims helpless? When they kick in your door, shoot your dog, flip a grenade into your kid’s crib, their greatest fear is that the programming fails.

        Maybe they should have moved to Newtown? There was no shortage of New Age “masters” there. I suppose, in the absence of a “life coach” a director will have to do.

    1. Ha, ha, that’s priceless. Plays dead, looks for cell phone, runs to wheelchair. Wonder where he got the cap. Must’ve nicked it from one of the other corpses.

  40. Well, the picture of him certainly DOES look Photoshopped to me. I suppose I’d say that I think this is another hoax. I don’t know if anyone actually died. It is certainly contrived.

    We live in a nation of roughly 300 million people. Are there insane people living here? Sure. Are any of them dangerous? A few of them are. Is it an “acceptable risk”? I think so.

    This event is not about “Elliot”. They could just as easily have called him “Fred”. There are an enormous number of “deviant” personalities and those with “unhealthy” obsessions, virgin or not.

    These side discussions conducted on the internet and in the “comments” section of newspapers and the like, are very effective at “selling” a character. People either “hate” them, feel sorry for them or empathize with them.

    What this event is about (and others like it), is to ratchet up the fear level and gain support for having “the authorities” fix it for us. This usually involves further losses of liberty and creates an ideal scenario for those with an agenda to advance it.

    The thinking (if you want to call it that) goes something like: “If the cops had more authority……”, or “if we had more mental screening, more drugs, etc., this would never have happened”. What it appeals to are frightened people who think they should live in an absolutely safe world.

    The corollary to this are those who get angry when “doubters” refuse to believe the contrived stories. They operate on the principle that if everyone just kept their heads down and obeyed, the masters won’t look at them and things will be safe.

    The facts are that we are all much more likely to be shot by a cop than any “terrorist” or “lone-nut virgin”. There isn’t a cure for the unofficial shooter. Never has been.

    We can go around begging our “leaders” to take away what little remains of our freedom and put us all in lockdown (time out?), or accept that the world can be a scary place and, very occasionally, something happens. Why anyone would actually think that you can pass a law or that the political parasites have answers to all of life’s problems is mystifying.

    So, my thoughts are that her work on “Elliot” is as meaningful as Obongo’s autobiography. It’s as convincing as “The Life of Adam”. In fact, the entire set of made up circumstances surrounding the character is as likely as the tale of our current tool’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, and the families miraculous rise from humble furniture salesman who schools his daughter at an elite French school in Beirut and is personal a personal friend of Frank Marshal Davis.

    Patrick, quite correctly pointed to “sheep-dipping” of cutouts in the past. Most of the time they made some effort to make those stories at least superficially believable. If there is any purpose to the current methodology it must be to test the state of gullibility of the masses.

    It’s one thing to have to suffer being fed a diet of bovine excrement. It’s quite another to voluntarily overdose on methane. I think a study on the inner life of Cinderella would be more worthwhile than psychoanalyzing this character.

    1. 8:02 AM: ABC This Week: Breaking News: Protecting The Homeland: New Threat To The US Homeland – Fighters Creating New Bombs. ISIS militants have Western passports and can enter the US at any time.

      Now that the sheeple are fighting among themselves over gun control, which is the main aim of all these fake shootings, they are now injecting new “outside” fears to keep us off our feet. As they monitor our exposures of their FF and hoaxes, they are realizing that more and more are catching on to them. They are gearing up for a big one here. This is what we have to watch out for.

      Your thoughtful and intense comment is well worth studying in depth, my dear lophatt. As all the others you’ve made. You’re right, it’s Hegelian Dialectics: problem, reaction solution. THEIR solution.
      The Hegelian Dialectic

      The Anti-Human Principle

      U.S. Pavlovian Conditioning

      Revolutionaries in government have created economic chaos, shortages in food and fuel, confiscatory taxation, a crisis in education, the threat of war, and other diversions to condition Americans for the “New World Order.”

      The technique is as old as politics itself. It is the Hegelian Dialectic of bringing about change in a three-step process: Thesis, Antithesis and Synthesis.

      The first step (thesis) is to create a problem. The second step (antithesis) is to generate opposition to the problem (fear, panic and hysteria). The third step (synthesis) is to offer the solution to the problem created by step one: A change which would have been impossible to impose upon the people without the proper psychological conditioning achieved in stages one and two.

      Applying the Hegelian Dialectic, and irresistible financial influence, concealed change agents seek to dismantle social and political structures by which free men govern themselves — ancient landmarks erected at great cost in blood and treasure.

      Their objective is to emasculate sovereign states, merge nations under universal government, centralize economic powers, and control the world’s people and resources.

      This site is important to study as most people can’t see the big picture, they’re too busy defending our “right to bear arms.” Which doesn’t exist, btw. But that’s another article.

      As for Cinderella, I firmly believe that if she had logically thought out her position, as she sat among the ashes, instead of resenting her sisters, who were only taking advantage of their mother’s new marriage, she could have offered her cleaning services to the Prince’s household and met him there. We all know the rich love their maids, ala Arnold:P At the very least, he would have bought her a new pair of shoes.

    2. I agree, and she wouldn’t have had to ride in that pumpkin!

      ISIS (Isis?) “terrorists” with U.S. passports entering the U.S. at will (like the Southern illegals?), GOOD GRIEF!

    3. This border thing, lophatt, seems to tie in to this idea of the sped-up schedule of these fake events we’ve chatted about the last couple days (

      The goal seems to be to crash the system on every level, as fast as possible. Traumatize us collectively, and make entirely artificial, although in reality genuinely overwhelming, problems the “facts” that require of us a new way of cultural life.

      I always read Victor Davis Hanson, even though I disagree with him on a lot of stuff (he’s a neocon), because what he’s correct about is so valuable. He’s been writing recently about how on every front, across the world as well as at home, the old order is breaking down–because America is abandoning its post WWII role. Well, it IS all breaking down, but it is not for the reasons he would like us to think it is.

      Another great, with whom I also often disagree (he thinks the so-called Civil War was noble and good, ugh), but always read, is David Goldman, AKA Spengler, who titled an article soon after the start of the current regime perfectly: When the Cat’s Away, the Mice Slaughter Each Other. In it, he was watching America step aside, before most people noticed it was happening. He wrote lots of similar pieces, so he predicted what we are witnessing today in Syria and Iraq, and especially Egypt, in spades (oops! Flag to Mark! Another “proof” that James Tracy encourages RACISM!!!!!!!!!).

      So we have an engineered invasion, what Hanson called a “new Children’s Crusade,” in a recent article–and has used as a neologism since. At the same time, we see stories–I’m talking about just the last few days–about overloaded boats crossing the Mediterranean with people who know equally well that they will not be removed to their home countries. Whether this is an unusually large new invasion of unfortunates, or just a meme, is not important: it is all fodder for the public mind. Still, Europe HAS been overrun, and those countries ARE DOING NOTHING TO STOP IT, so even if the recent stories and pictures are hype, the underlying reality is true. The hype, in that case, is designed simply to get everyone on the same page: the West is not going to survive.

      I read one of these articles just this morning, only it was about England. I think it was the Daily Mail (People Magazine for smart people? Or just people who are too dumb to know they only think they’re smarter than People Magazine readers?); the “refugees” were crossing the Channel in a dinghy. Everyone knows, once you arrive in the “North” you are home free.


      Because we are in a new civilization. The West no longer exists. Obama’s bosses have decreed that we’ll be getting used to that fact sooner, now. We’ve had a good decade or so to keep pretending that the civilization we grew up in was still extant, but all that pretense is quickly being taken away from us, as we breathe. Faster and faster. 1984, here we come.

        1. Fish, I think it’s OK if you repeat “I’m SO ashamed” several times after committing the unpardonable sin of naming the obvious. In Patrick’s case, he has to apologize less since the Irish have been treated like “the ‘N’ word” of Europe for centuries. He’s paid his dues. Oh, I’m sorry.

    4. Believe the flooding of illegals at the border is very real, the deplorable conditions they are under is a huge crisis. Imagine their dismay when they are shipped to the northern states with the harsh winters.

      The silence in the main stream media is a clear indication, they are trying to sneak this one past us. There was a lawsuit the feds brought against a school district in CT for not providing adequate education to the non English speaking students, that was dropped not that long ago.

      Here we have our ‘leaders’ warning school districts they will educate all children and never ask about citizenship sent out in May. What could possibly go wrong?

      1. I clicked on the link you provided, Kathy, and was struck by the fact that every single one of those UAMs (“unassisted alien minors”, if I got it right) pictured is male. I wonder if that was by accident or design? It got me thinking, though: I wonder what the male/female UAM ratio is…does anyone know? I guess I’ve sort of assumed that it was near 50/50, but I’ve no reason to based that upon.

        Never mind the legal and economic implications and the moral/philosophical objections to this tsunami of immigrants (of which there are many), but how are we supposed to deal socially–on a practical level–with all of these un-assimilated, unsupervised, impoverished, adolescent males? What country on earth needs MORE of those? (Maybe that’s the point…trying to “spread the wealth”, Marx-style. Gives a whole new meaning to “wealth redistribution”, doesn’t it?). But they can’t keep ’em in FEMA camps forever. Where are they going to go? Even if they can get these kids into school, what are they going to do for work when they graduate or (more likely) drop out?

        With poverty comes crime; I’ve heard that there are private prisons being built around the country. Is someone looking to increase future profits, maybe? Or maybe TPTB are engineering a large-scale “white flight” to boost new housing production…from the same economic think-tank that brought us “Cash for Clunkers”.

        Please, someone, tell me I’m just being cynical…I REALLY don’t want to be right about this.

        1. “UAM’s”, nothing like objectifying people! “I have a white, adult, female….”.

          My guess is that they will be reunited with parents (if they have them). If they were predominantly female, I would think it was a wonderful scam for them to traffic in children for their clients and owners.

          Of course, some of their owners prefer boys. It is interesting that the UK had a spell of this as well a couple of years ago. Whether they were refugees or overflow from orphanages many of them wound up in the sex trade.

          It is beyond doubt that the kids didn’t walk through Mexico. They were delivered. That means that not only did someone arrange for safe passage, but someone put them on the trains to begin with.

          The Chief Tool is now asking for $4B (I believe), to fund their care and feeding. I’m having a difficult time understanding how even the MSM is spinning this one. Where are these hoards coming from? Why? How did they get here? Pretty simple questions.

          How are they making these decisions? Under what authority? It gets more outrageous by the day.

        2. In the UK, young pubescent girls who are white/English are first groomed then sexually enslaved by the muslims on a scale that would shock any decent person, and outrage any person of northwestern european descent who had an ounce of pride in their people. I mention this because the assumption generally in western societies is that ‘people of color’ and especially females are the ‘Chief Victims.’ Nothing could be further than the truth; white, northwestern european females are being raped in Sweden, Norway, Denmark and the UK by black and muslim men at astonishing rates. Blondes are particularly targeted although not solely by these ‘cultural enrichers.’ One english father attempted to rescue his underage daughter from a group of muslim rapists but was accused of ‘racial harassment.’

          This is no exaggeration. It’s also happened in the US, but so far I’ve only heard of it’s occurrence in the midwest where there are settlements of these muslim animals – for that is what any person who rapes a child or teen (or adult) is. It’s mostly blacks and some (far fewer) hispanic men who are perpetrators of interracial rape in the US, where blondes and redheads are also favorite targets.

          I think lophatt is right about these prisons given the rumors I’ve heard and the sources reporting, but I have no concrete evidence. I’m certain that the state psychiatric hospitals will double for ‘reeducation’ centers.’ It’s whites – which in my lexicon can mean either europeans generally, northern europeans specifically, or (most often) northwestern europeans. I am germanic celtic and my sub-race is the one the NWO engineers seek to subjugate and even eradicate. We founded most of the eurosphere and the anglo founded countries dominate in that. We are their biggest enemy as we love individual freedom more than any other ethnicity/race on the planet. Once we are subjugated through soft genocide and what’s being prepared as outright enslavement and annihilation they can take over the planet.

          All races stalk my people and try to invade the countries we founded. There are somalian refugees, brazilian, nigerian, etc. being brought into states like Iowa where white homeless live in tents and blacks usurp Section 8 housing. Hispanics invade the US every day and middle easterners and asians, both southern and northern, have established colonies in coastal regions, especially my state.

          All of Europe is being flooded and invaded by the ‘colored’ hordes in ultimate fulfillment of the Tribe’s and their bought off race traitors quest to rule the world: Barbara Spectre explains how her people will save the lowly goy:

          The only thing that won’t survive in Europe without multiculturalism is her people’s oligarchy. Boo hoo.

        3. Well, as far as this video goes, this is at best a sad example of an insane person who is simply deluded in the most extreme way. How any Jew could say such a thing is astounding. Antisemitism is probably worse in Sweden than in any other country (although in Europe it is a race that every country could easily win), but it’s not the native Swedes that are driving the Jews out; it’s the immigrant Moslems, who are outwardly, openly, violent against Jews. Jews must hide their Jewishness in public, because these immigrant aliens will attack them.

          This woman is either completely deluded, or an agent of deception. What deception it is, I can’t imagine, though. No one in their right mind could believe what she says, if they know what’s going on. Soon, there will be no Jews left in Europe: they are all fleeing the increasingly open persecution. How any fool from America can posit that Jews are going to be the key to reconciliation is beyond strange.

          There has never been open, vitriolic antisemitism in Europe like this before. Hitler’s Germany was small, in comparison. It’s not just the alien Moslems. The whole culture agrees with those people.

        4. Good one Patrick. It amazes me that the American public is being duped into thinking Immigration reform is about Mexicans. After all, wouldn’t reform applying to only one nationality be… unfair? My question is; what is the difference between a Nazi and someone promoting Sharia? It is unfortunate that these two groups don’t form some kind of enmity toward each other.

        5. This is very unusual. I am rarely up this late, and certainly not at the computer when I am. Lophatt: what can you possibly disagree with about Mark’s remarks? It’s just a sequence of objective, factual observations. Reality. You are above all a realist. Are these items listed not true? Are they lies?

        6. Patrick, as I said, I haven’t seen your comment so I don’t know what I’m responding to. I read the article and it comes across as another “whine” about “persecution” of the Jews. I could do a month easily on this subject and that is not the purpose of the forum here.

          My advice would be to read “The Controversy of Zion” by Douglas Reed as a starting point. The word “persecution” has religious significance for Jews that Christians, generally, don’t understand.

          “Persecution” is “punishment” for non-observance and the purported administrators of said punishment are us “cattle” (Goyim), whether we intend to be or not. It is “inescapable”. If we were smothering them in kindness we would still be “persecuting” them.

          So, my comment was directed at the article, which I did not agree with. I am not sympathetic to the argument. I am not “guilty”.

        7. I understood that you were talking about the article, lophatt. It consists of a list of violent attacks, a pattern in real life that is happening, and driving a systematic emigration of a people who have been contributing to European culture for thousands of years, perpetrated by immigrants whose alien religion has as a core plank that they hate them.

          If this is not “persecution” in the conventional sense I have no idea how such an idea can be rationalized. Mohammed told his followers to hate, and that Allah will be satisfied until all are dead. It’s right there in the writings they revere.

          The article-link was to show the point in my original post (now long since out of moderation) that the woman in the video Sue linked to is clearly insane, if she thinks idealists can make the Mohammedans who have taken over Malmo play nice. The items Mark lists are not imagined. Which is why Europe will soon be Judenfrei.

        8. It depends on which ‘culture’ you’re referring to. France is torn between the left’s white/muslim alliance and a white/jewish one on the right led by Le Pen, whose allegiances are not clear, although more evidence points to her being pro-jewish.

          The Greeks will probably become engaged in the war between EU/Ukraine and Russia; the Golden Dawn has an alliance with the russians and are solidly anti-judeo. Swedens nationalist parties seem to offer tribal-tolerant and anti-judeo; same with England and what appears to be Holland and a couple of other european countries.

          Patrick it just amazes me that you can’t grasp that it’s all a chess game for TCP. Spectre is probably an inner circle elite. There seem to be powerful jews on both the right and left in various parts of Europe. Perhaps there really is an Illuminati and the jews aren’t as united after all. They weren’t in pre-WWII Europe, when Hitler probably allied with the zionist jews to try to accomplish his eviction of them from their european perches.

          I don’t get why Nazis get such a bad name. Rich, if you believe in the holocaust lies you’re either incredibly naive or somehow anti-german or anti-white. Perhaps you’re TCP. As a woman I would choose to live under the nazi regime over any islamic one. I might have mentioned I have a friend whose grandmother lived in a Nazi-occupied country and found the german men to be peaceful, at least to women. A mere cursory look at the way women get treated under Sharia should indicate that there is a vast difference between the two systems, if nazism could even be said to have been one.

          I don’t get why europeans – native ones, not jews – are somehow denied the right to inhabit their own homelands. Why are many french jews who fear the rise of a white/muslim alliance in France leaving for England and not Israel? My position is that, left or right, jews always exist in an alliance of sorts, except perhaps in some times of war. This is true in America, where jews on both sides of the political spectrum unite whenever anyone criticizes a jew for their imperialistic anti-white nature. All ethnicities/races are united in their anti-white stance in the US. But the ethnicity that has benefited the most from anti-white, both in Europe and here, is definitely the jews.

          What’s the difference between zionist America’s increasingly repressive regime and Sharia is the more apropos question to be asking.

        9. Well, Sue, I could address most of your points, which I believe are almost all inaccurate, but I will do so with only one, to demonstrate. You say:

          “I don’t get why europeans – native ones, not jews – are somehow denied the right to inhabit their own homelands. Why are many french jews who fear the rise of a white/muslim alliance in France leaving for England and not Israel?”

          This is actually two points. First, there are very few “native” Europeans. European history is one of constant invasion and ethnic blending. The Celts were not natives to their lands, even; the Irish belief in leprechauns is a racial memory of the people they displaced, for example, and they are about as ancient as any people. The Lapps are perhaps older.

          But there is no way to know if an Irish person is 100% Celtic. How much of his or her blood came from Viking rapists? The black Irish (black hair, is why we’re called that), they say, are the result of the sailors who made it to shore when the Spanish Armada was sunk. And the Spaniards themselves are full of Moorish blood.

          That is to say, all European ethnicities are blends of various invaders’ blood. Except the Jews, who were the largest minority in the Roman empire. There were more Jews outside Judea at the time of Christ than within it. They were thus in Europe long before the Huns overran the place. Does this mean they have more right to claim the land that is today called France than the blend of ethnicities that became the “French”? By your logic, yes.

          Secondly, I have no idea where you get the idea that France’s Jews are not fleeing to Israel. That is, in fact, where they are fleeing to. England? Where did you get that idea?

          If you want to see Jews in Europe, you had better hurry, because soon they will all have left, driven out of lands they have called home, and enriched by their presence, for thousands of years. Driven out by mindless hate. And, ironically, the one place they have to escape to is being “delegitimized” and boycotted by the very European countries that are making life for their native Jews a living Hell. Weird. And what’s weirder is that Europe is welcoming culturally empty throngs (Moslems), who will never consider themselves part of the culture they are entering, even as it drives out the cultural riches the Jews provided all these centuries. That is, there will be no Moslem Einstein or Heifetz to replace them when they leave. It will be a cultural wasteland–indeed, that process is well under way.

        10. ETA: I meant for the above post to appear down below as a response to Patrick’s, Rich’s and lophatt’s recent comments.

        11. My comment says awaiting moderation so I am not sure if it is visible. Fish says ass rape in his comment and goes straight to print. I don’t get it.

        12. I haven’t studied WWII much beyond what I was told and I should learn more, please excuse my lack of knowledge. The Nazi don’t seem like great people, and this is hard to get my mind around…Are you saying that it is OK to be Anti-semitic because Jewish people are so horrible? I’ve always understood that the Zionist’s treatment of the Palestinians is deplorable, but that average Jewish people have as much control over that as you or I have over the shadow US government. Are you saying that the holocaust was a lie to create a Jewish state? I don’t want to ignore realities if that is the case, but I don’t know if I’m up for researching another conspiracy right now. I just know that when people start labeling groups of people as this or that based on the color of their skin or their religion, I get the exact same sad feeling I get when being lied to by the people on TV.

        13. I don’t mean to stress you out, Calimom. I do think the holocaust was a lie designed by the world powers to get a jewish state established in Israel. The evidence seems pretty irrefutable that there were no gas chambers and that a Hollywood director was sent over to Europe to direct the production team that included an italian actor pretending to be one of the jews who had been supposedly assigned to carry bodies into the crematoria.

          In my pretty vast experience the jews are more racist, xenophobic and exploitative than europeans are on average. Some are nice people but their creed is just corrupt in my view. They’re the most categorically anti-white group I’ve encountered.

        14. Haha! Indeed it has. Let me bring something back to the original discussion:

          In looking at all the posted photos of “Adam Lanza” it seems to me that they are composite fakes Photoshopped into various staged sittings. It seems impossible to believe ANY guy can look like that. I don’t even think Adam was ever a real person but a composite suspect to bring “closure” to the shooting by identifying and suiciding him out.

          No trial, no attorneys, no court appearances. Very convenient, yes? I have also come across the remark that the Aurora Batman shooter was actually meant to have been taken down but they slipped up and he was captured. If he did it at all.

        15. I haven’t meant to offend anyone or misinterpret them.

          cartiermccloud, I’m under the impression most regular posters agree that the photos of ‘Adam’ are faked in some way and that he in reality didn’t exist. I don’t want to put words in people’s mouths though, and didn’t mean to do upthread.

          The Aurora shooter is baffling. Was it a black op that involved murders committed by government agents with Holmes then serving as the patsy? I only feel pretty certain some people were killed but I don’t know how many or who the culprit was. I’ve said before that Alex Teves’ father and girlfriend cause me to think some people were shot in that theater given Alex’ father’s comments challenging that Holmes was ‘mentally ill.’ Alex’ girlfriend also struck me as extremely believable, unlike the surviving family members of Elliot or of Victoria Soto.

          I hope I’m not going back into the too contentious area of race/ethnicity, but there is a man named John DeNugent who is in the rather bizarre milieu of pro-white or what’s called ‘White Nationalism’ by many, who claims to have been part of the MkUltra mind control program. I’d previously doubted the veracity of that meme (that there were MkUltra programs) because it just seems so farfetched a possibility But the evidence does seem, in DeNugent’s case, to support that he may have been part of such a program.

          I tend to just give up thinking about Holmes past the point of concluding that some people were killed in the theater. There are too many variables and I don’t know enough about brainwashing or black ops to speculate further. I’m comfortable talking about the psychology of the various characters in the Rodger case (with the exception of Veronica and Katie) because to me because he’s alleged to have actually have had psychological motives. Holmes was ascribed none but wanting to pretend to be Batman. We’re told he was materially delusional but was simultaneously capable of wiring an intricate bomb system in his apartment.

          It seems most likely Holmes didn’t do it given the stats on schizophrenics and violence and considering how profound his delusions supposedly were. But men may be more prone to behave the way he or his persona did, especially at that young of an age, so this might be an exception to the norm for a schizophrenic as one possible theory. The media then could have added on elements like the supposed wired apartment and the psychiatrist who didn’t find Holmes’ alleged letter in time.

        16. It’s a late night so once again forgive my faulty proofreading in the above comment.

          Have a Happy Fourth of July!

        17. Happy Fourth to you too Sue, and everyone else as well. As “Tiny Tim” says “God bless us, everyone”.

          I should know better than to try to discuss a subject in a forum that is not conducive to that level of detail. All it does is provide fodder for people to seize on and misunderstand.

          I neither invent what I see (and say), nor do I necessarily “like” what I see. I just report what it means to me. I’ve written before on my idea of “countries” being almost obsolete. That is not by accident.

          In a similar vein, these “events” we’re seeing, real or otherwise, are related. Whether the mechanisms used are media, or “religion” or “race”, these elements of human behavior are being manipulated for a goal. They are not representative of what would normally occur in nature, unassisted.

          People have been manipulated since the beginning of time. What is “new” about it is the scale and the technology. What I’m trying to get at is that these things are never “either/or” propositions. They are more complex than that.

          Most of these hoaxes basically work by over simplifying events and controlling the resulting discussion. To say that the use of stereotypes makes all stereotypes invalid is simply not true. The certain hope of those doing the manipulating is that we will be forced by political correctness to deny the existence of behaviors that must be addressed.

          Said another way, “Holmes” is no different than “Shylock”. It is a CHARACTER designed to evoke reactions. In this analogy, “Holmes” is not only permissible to speculate about, it is desirable. Whereas, “Shylock” is taboo.

          Both are examples of an “authority” attempting to define what we are allowed to consider and using a figure as a focal point for the manipulation of emotional reactions.

          All of this is designed to destroy what we have collectively built up and replace it with a system designed by those who wish to control us. That requires that cohesion is broken. Whether that involves pitting “gun-lovers” against “gun-grabbers”, or Muslims against Christians, or “short people” against “tall people”, the target isn’t the point. None of these “groups” is initiating these actions on their own.

          When people define themselves as members of a group, for whatever reason, the group has characteristics. People recognize these and, as such, it can be useful for story telling when you are engaged in a psyop. The “lone-nut shooter” has become a “group” in itself. It is tied to “mental health” and as such, is useful for those pushing an agenda.

          In my humble opinion, everything is interconnected. That is why I can’t discuss one phenomenon and ignore another just because it makes people uncomfortable. Life is often uncomfortable and things don’t change just because we would prefer that they were otherwise.

          In looking at the “shootings”, remember that “story telling” and “characters” are what the narrative is about. In the case of “Holmes”, I doubt that there is a “Holmes” (at least in the real sense). He (it) is a character. It isn’t based on the living, breathing “Holmes”, it is based on the script.

        18. Who do you think the guy sitting in the courtroom was, lophatt? Are you suggesting that there were murders committed in the theater but that they weren’t done by Holmes?

        19. Sue, I’m saying that he is a patsy. He is a guy named “Holmes”, the CHARACTER of “Holmes” is all we’re seeing.

          It is clear that he walked into the theater. He wasn’t dressed like “Robocop”. He opened the emergency exit and let someone in. They found another mask outside (besides the one in the car with him). He was out for the count.

          There’s much more. As to the guy in court, I simply don’t know. There are pictures of what they purport to be him with dark eyes. There are pictures of him with blue eyes. All we “know” is that there are pictures.

          I have no idea who the guy in the court room is.

        20. Not unlike the indictment of Dzhokar Tsarnaev who classmates tried to see in the federal courtroom, classmates from Cambridge Rindge and Latin, a public high school with a lot of faculty brats (I think Affleck and Damon met there): the kids said their actual friend had no accent (he wouldn’t, since he came to the US long before puberty changes you so that you can never effectively adopt another language and speak it like a native). The real Dzhokar spoke like an American kid living in Cambridge/Boston. The fake talked like what the average Muslimophobe brainwashed American would expect him to talk like.

          It reminds me of a family story of the false Anastasia – she said she didn’t know how to speak Russian. Of course later DNA proved her to be hoax. People in my family knew the Botkins who were caught up in the case, and I later met Marina Botkin, who believed her father rather than the evidence. Perhaps it is growing up with my grandfather’s utter scorn for this hoax, with probably greed at its core, that has made me scornful of other ones. I wish the real Dzhokar’s classmates had the intestinal fortitude to persist in denying that man being prosecuted ever went to school with them.

        21. Musings, that’s very interesting. I didn’t know about the accent. This part of the extravaganza has to do with their plans to encircle Russia. They are trying to establish this “Chechen” problem and capitalize on it.

          It seems like everyone with an agenda got to play in the Boston fiasco. One only has to look at the NYT’s treatment of the Crimean putsch to get a flavor for how this is done.

          It’s a classic “show trial”, pure and simple.

        22. “I hope I’m not going back into the too contentious area of race/ethnicity, but there is a man named John DeNugent who is in the rather bizarre milieu of pro-white or what’s called ‘White Nationalism’ by many, who claims to have been part of the MkUltra mind control program. I’d previously doubted the veracity of that meme (that there were MkUltra programs) because it just seems so farfetched a possibility But the evidence does seem, in DeNugent’s case, to support that he may have been part of such a program.”

          I’m not sure why it took the testimony of a “white nationalist” for MK Ultra to move from a meme to a possibility in your mind as it’s existence is part of the congressional record. If you would like to explore much of what has come to light about operations bluebird, artichoke, MK Ultra, MK Naomi etc., I highly suggest reading “A Terrible Mistake,” by Hank Albarelli jr. published 40 minutes from me by Trine Day. It is a great overview of many of the players and their actions during the cold war years and will introduce you to characters whose names will come up again and again when researching the history of the last half century.
          Albarelli was a white house lawyer during the carter administration and the book reads as such, he fails to make some connections where there are some but as far as facts goes the book is excellent!

          The book is a large undertaking but here is an excellent interview that will give you somethings to ponder as you read “a terrible mistake.”

        23. Fish, that was very interesting. You made quite a list of these programs. I think its helpful to remember that they didn’t go to all that trouble for naught. We may very well be seeing some of the fruits of that labor.

        24. Mccloud, It is indeed “convenient”. Remember, the story is what these are about, not the “characters”. The characters are only as useful as they are at pushing the meme.

          What makes them “real” or not isn’t whether anyone died. As Sue mentioned about the MK Ultra program, someone can be controlled to kill someone. That is not a “naturally occurring event”.

          In fact, that was the point of the thing. Without manipulation, it wasn’t possible to get someone to do that on demand.

          All I have read on the Aurora event leads me to believe that “Holmes” was heavily drugged. I don’t think he fired a shot. If he did, he wouldn’t remember. His brain may be permanently gone.

          In the case of “Adam”, all we have are statements and a picture. They could have made him anything they wished. He could have been a “militia type” or a “Muslim”. They were going for the “mental health” angle so they picked “Asberger’s”.

          Of course it always comes back to the drills. In order to have your set in place and total control of the message, you have to have boots on the ground.

          As interesting as I find these discussions, we always have to tap dance when it comes to “cui bono”. The act of doing that annoys me. It is essential to identify the causes of this behavior.

          Just like analyzing an event requires “stepping back” and bringing a larger milieu into focus, understanding the causes for these events requires pulling in extrinsic information. These events are but one element of a much larger script that involves the world at large, not just the United States.

          Given the sheer volume of these events lately, it is obvious that they are not some fluke of nature. To what extent they are invented and controlled depends on the event. Nothing gets past the “editors” without their approval.

        25. In their Talmud, they consider all other races to be goyim or cattle. The basis of their belief is that they are “God’s Chosen People” and the rest of us are dumb animals unfit to rule ourselves so they will do it for us.

          If there is a god, which I doubt at this point, he doesn’t “choose” one of his creations over the other. I would say, at the very least, he’s waiting for us to choose HIM!

        26. There are hoaxes and there are things some people wish were hoaxes. I’m sorry but what part about attacking innocent countries don’t you understand? Someone who would do that (they called it “Blitzkrieg”) is capable of anything. It is that similarity to our own government which drew me here – after “Shock und Awe” – because if you would do that, then nothing is beyond you.

          This topic may have gotten far afield, but indeed we are talking about the difference between something for which there is no credible evidence of the official story (Boston Marathon Bombing and many obvious fake shootings) and something where are family turns up missing most of its deported members (the families are real – I know some intimately). If Pol Pot could do it (and I am sure you aren’t calling him and his activities a hoax) then why not some European who ran amok all over his own continent, virtually insuring a lockdown for half of it for fifty years? When you look at those events as warfare, there’s nothing hoax-y about it at all. It was done as part of his plan, his war-making. These hoax things today are also part of a series of plans aimed at controlling a population felt to be threatening to the powers than be. We are today’s Jews under Hitler, as matter of fact. We are considered the internal enemy because we keep ourselves apart from the propaganda.

          But you do yourself no favors by denying evidence wherever it leads, and my evidence is very direct. It happened. The holocaust happened. Reality is.

        27. There is no more forensic evidence to support that it happened than there is to prove Sandy Hook happened. All we have is oral testimony from people, which is also all that’s offered to us to prove Sandy Hook. Plus, there is evidence to prove the biggest hoax of all time (some people think christianity may be that, but that’s a faith experience by it’s own definition) was staged.

          I just tried to discuss this very recently with the one friend I have who is jewish. He’s normally a brilliant and keenly skeptical thinker, and he scoffs at the typical supremacist tropes about jews, like the one that claims jews have higher IQ’s. In both his and my experience there is no truth to that, yet we both agree that arrogance and some self delusion permeates his people’s attitudes on that issue.

          But trying to discuss the holocaust with him just resulted in this impassable entente. He couldn’t really proffer any evidence and when I could that went against, he just went into denial mode. He resorted to the ‘world leaders said it happened so it must have’ stance.

          It’s odd that a guy who is so incredibly sober about problems in the jewish culture still becomes so hyper defensive that he didn’t even want to engage in a calm debate, claiming there was no need because his evidence was ‘unassailable.’ But all that amounted to was ‘Eisenhower said so.’

          This topic became such a faith experience for so many people that I don’t think it’s something easily discussed with anyone too directly invested in it. I suppose for many jews it would require confronting that some of their leaders may have profoundly deceived them and manipulated so many of their flock.

          So I backed off from pursuing the topic with my one jewish friend even when he sent me pics of Eisenhower at the camps the next day. I guess I should do the same on this thread.

          I experienced horrific abuse at the hands of the jesuits at a prestigious university they ran. It traumatized me profoundly, but since i didn’t really believe in Christianity or in backwards, cowardly misogynist priests when I was pushed into going there, I sort of never felt such a crisis of faith in them specifically, although I did lose ‘faith’ in basic goodness of people for awhile, and in what is part of my ‘tribe,’ as it were, the irish. Maybe if I’d given a fly about catholicism itself it would have felt different, although if I had actually believed in its sexist values I might not have clashed so violently with the culture it fostered (there were various elements of culture that compounded the sickness of the catholics and jesuits).

          Anyway, I again don’t intend offense and am just pointing out that I’m a skeptic about everything, including my own family’s religion’s lies and BS.

        28. I rarely “go there,” and James has already pointed out that we’re way off topic, but this last by Sue simply has to be countered.

          “There is no more forensic evidence to support that it happened than there is to prove Sandy Hook happened.” This is a ridiculous statement. Too bad your friend is a nincompoop, because he could have easily proven you wrong, as I am about to do: the proof is in the tens of thousands of villages across a continent, all of which had thriving communities before the war, and not a single member surviving after. Countless thousands of family members who either survived the camps, or had escaped to foreign countries, went back, only to find not a single family member or friend of the family remaining. All gone.

          This is “forensic evidence” of the highest quality. The people, in their millions, simply vanished? Explain their disappearance, Sue. Explain it to their families. If they were not murdered, each and every person, in the tiniest villages in the remotest corners of every country the Germans occupied, were they each and every one abducted by aliens? And why just that ethnicity? (All right; plenty of Gypsies, too.)

          Too bad your friend does not have the presence of mind to explain it to you this way, soberly. Perhaps you could pass this comment on to him, and ask him if it is the argument he would have mounted, were he to have thought of it.

          This is not “a faith experience,” Sue. It is family members who traveled to their ancestral homes after a horrific war, only to find every single relation missing, never to be found again. Millions of people, most of whom had lived in those hamlets for hundreds of years, and would not in a million years consider leaving their native lands. You say “I don’t think it’s something easily discussed with anyone too directly invested in it.” Oh, but it is, Sue. These survivors are eager to discuss it. I myself have had those discussions. They can name all the missing relatives, and express inconsolable sadness at their disappearance from their lives.

          What they find hard to endure is people like you, who tell them that they are liars, that their relatives are still alive and well, in that inaccessible village in Belorussia, or Romania, or Hungary. That, they find it hard to discuss. And I for one can’t blame them.

          Sorry, James, but some nasty business can’t be left alone, undisputed, however off-topic.

        29. Patrick one doesn’t prosecute a murder, much less a mass one, without a body. Why are the standards of proof changed for your Chosen?

          And as for native irish, I can assure you there is very very little mediterranean admixture in me. The celts and germanic tribes most definitely were native to the northwest of Europe (and for the celts other parts of it).

          No one is saying *you* have to live without your Chosen, just that you do not have the right to force them or anyone else into our homelands. No one is going to abduct you into them. Why you need to deny us the right to live in peace is beyond me.

        30. “one doesn’t prosecute a murder, much less a mass one, without a body.”

          This is a ridiculous statement. It would mean that anyway could get away with murder, so long as you get rid of the body, perhaps by dissolving it in acid. But people are convicted of murder all the time without a body being found.

          Tens of thousands of villages in every corner of Europe had thriving Jewish communities for hundreds of years–some ever since the days of ancient Rome. Wherever the Germans marched, these communities ceased to exist. After the war, relatives traveled to these communities, in their thousands, to find their family members, each and every one, missing. The only two things all those thousands of ancient communities, spread across thousands of miles and many extremely remote, had in common, were that they ceased to exist over the course of a very few years, and those years happened to be the ones when Germany had taken over those places.

          Any investigator trying to find out what suddenly happened to all those millions of people in such non-contiguous locations would have essentially one clue to follow up on: the astonishing “coincidence” that Germany just happened to have invaded ALL those places at exactly the same time!

          The investigator would then look at the places the Germans had NOT taken over, looking for ancient enclaves of Jews, and SHAZAM! They were still there after the war! They had not vanished! Is that weird, or what?

          Next, the investigator would examine what was going on in Germany at the time, and he would discover that virtually everyone had a book called Mein Kampf on his shelf, and that the laws had recently been changed to make it illegal to be of Jewish ethnicity. Oh, and he’d discover Kristallnacht. And an environment of pervasive propaganda that encouraged wide-spread Jew-hatred. And finally, a vast network of camps specially built to house kidnapped people.

          This is called “circumstantial evidence,” and all put together it is so compelling that any researcher who concluded “nothing to see here” would be laughed out of court.

          The holocaust is the disappearance of the Jews, wherever Germany marched. They are not there; the Jews vanished, a singular event so astonishing that it had to be given a name. It was given a name for the same reason the Norman Invasion has a name: it happened. The Jews were there, then they weren’t. William the Conquerer was not in England, then he was. To say the holocaust did not happen is exactly the same as saying that William did not conquer England. It makes you sound like a nut.

          On that other thing, Sue, no Irish person has any idea how much Viking blood courses through their veins; the invasions were repeated, and rape was part of the deal.

          And if you think the germanic tribes are “native” to Europe you are an ignoramus. The invasions that brought them there are well known to everyone. They are relative newcomers, and as I mentioned in a different comment, the Jews were already present in the lands the germanic tribes flooded into when the invaders got there: Jews were the largest minority in the Roman empire, and more Jews lived outside Judea than inside it.

        31. Interesting story about your Jewish friend. I think you did right to back off. And you are right that they, the Jews, have been deceived by their own. Or rather, I would say they have been deceived by Zionists. Saddest story in the world!

          I am atm reading a new little book by Allison Weir, called ‘Against our better Judgment’. It is a very good book describing the creation of Israel. I suggest you give it to him!

          Allison would make an interesting guest for Dr Tracy’s show!

        32. Sue, I can relate to all that. I am a Catholic (by choice, not nurture). Like a lot of things it is a big subject. I have Jewish “acquaintances”, I don’t say “friends” because friends are people you can discuss anything with.

          I did not grow up Catholic. I was exposed to it, however. From the outside I encountered some of what you describe. The Church doesn’t claim perfection, either in the laity or the clergy. In fact, no religion has “sinless” people. Anyone making such a claim is delusional.

          My personal opinion is that if a subject evokes an automatic visceral reaction to the point of hysteria, it is a handy device to cover things that some would rather not discuss. In other words, it is a great device to avoid any meaningful discussion.

        33. Sorry Sue, but holocausts have been a part of human history for thousands of years. Hutus and Tutsis, Pol pot, Mao, Stalin, Native Americans, Japans tear through Asia. One thing for sure is no race seems to be above it given the right leadership and impetus. Myself a Christian(I digress from any previous statement of not belonging to a group, that was stupid) I even believe the Israelites cleared out Canaan from time to time, leaving no one left alive.

          On another subject: Lophatt, what about the body board (not sure of the word, but paramedics use them like a stretcher or litter) found under Holmes car, and the broken window. Talk about red flags.

        34. Yes Rich, there are many more “inconsistencies”. I didn’t attempt to list them all. I must be having a “senior moment”. I’m having a hard time understanding why anyone would think that I think Aurora was the “real deal”. I don’t.

          I spent a lot of time on this one. I listened to all the radio traffic. I viewed videos made by employees at the theater. Those were VERY instructive.

          As usual, they were having a drill. That’s why there was mass confusion on the frequencies when other agencies tried to help. It had all the normal props that the others have had.

          The list of unlikely events is almost as long as the SHES list. As to the “body board”, I’ve read that it was used to break the window as he was out cold and unresponsive.

          I can actually see how this one was put together more clearly than I can some of the elements in SHES. Don’t get me wrong, it was a hoax, I just have trouble at times getting my mind around the logistics. There is a built in “time warp” and the degree of control over the players is amazing.

        35. Calimom: I get a very bad feeling by sweeping judgments as well, regardless who’s doing it. I don’t want it done to me, and I refuse to participate in doing it to others.

          That said, the whole “divide and conquer” tactic is incredibly successful. As long as we’re fighting each other based on skin color, religion, or political leanings, we’re not focused on the real threat.

          Fish: I hadn’t been aware of Mr. Immortal Technique before now, but he will remain on my radar. His speech is yet more evidence that the Left/Right paradigm is utter and complete B.S., and I can never get enough of that 😉

        36. Sue,
          You are often put out by people who presume to put words in your mouth, so do not put words in mine. I made ABSOLUTELEY no reference to the holocaust or my belief or disbelief in it. The article in reference was referring to this ADL Foxman who is still hung up on neo-nazis as an anti semitic plague. The article is saying that the Nazis are not the problem anymore(as they were castrated a long time ago), but the Muslims who are killing jews are the problem. Foxman being an NWO, Zionist, illuminati, politically correct dimwit, or what ever you want to call him, refuses to acknowledge this and harps on skinheads instead.

          Anti-White? Anti-German? Please. Don’t make my half Irish-half German, blue eyed derriere laugh. Apparently you have never read any of my exchanges with Mark the communist a year ago.

          My comment about the Nazi state and Sharia was in regard to them both being systems of control and murder(yes, I know America is going the same way, I am here aren’t I?). I would not presume to argue the sexual proclivities of the two races, or the warm and fuzzy nature of the Nazis who most certainly spent most of their time laying their coats over mud puddles for the women of occupied Europe.

          Anti-White? HA! I have far too many animal heads and internal combustion devices to live up to that moniker. The word is libertarian. That means I am on my side. I did my tour and realized the err of my ways. Tainted by a flawed two party system, and poisoned by my college education maybe, but a member of no group.

        37. Nice catch, Fish. Don’t think many folks here can handle the many layers of truth that the gifted speaker shares. Hope everyone gives it an honest viewing, followed by an honest look in the mirror.

    5. I posted this on another topic but it ties right in to Patricks piece:

      Just as Patrick said about visiting sites that he doesn’t necessarily agree with, this is how I came across this. Some of the information is useful.

      As near as I can determine these children at the border are there because they were taken by train from Honduras and El Salvador by prior arrangements between the U.S. and Mexico. As long as they don’t leave the train they are allowed to transit.

      Now, think about that. This has been “arranged”. They are taking them to those FEMA centers that we read about years ago (pre-planning?), and distributing them to military bases around the country. My guess is that they will be reunited with their families who will be allowed to stay.

      They are contracting for child care, escorts, and even immigration legal services. Meanwhile, we have homeless vets (and others) roaming the streets. We have sick people without care. We don’t have enough realistic jobs. And here we are, exacerbating the problems.

      On top of that, our “Great Orator” is provoking Russia hoping to either get WWIII started or revive the “Cold War”. There is no way that any of this is either accidental or just due to incompetence. And through all this, where’s Congress (ha!)?

      Patrick, I do indeed think we’re seeing a race to the bottom. They want to totally wreck everything we have so that they can impose their agenda. This may even be the start of the “pandemic” they so much want to depopulate the world. How many yacht washers and golf caddies do they need?

      The reason the attached article provokes interest is that this has been part of a previous plan to do the same. Frankly, I don’t think they’re that stupid. Evil yes, stupid no (at least in general).

  41. Sue, I worry about all the children flooding across our borders from Central America. I know that many of them must be fleeing violent drug cartels, in countries the US destabilized. I’ve seen the mural at the Denver Airport that seem to for-tell the genocide of Africans and Germanic-Celtic whites. I pray that the human race would never again sink to genocide. But if you read the history of the world, it is war after war endlessly. The potential for good and evil is the same in all races. Perhaps we are coming up on the next Native American genocide paying off our karmic debt on this red land. Again I pray that is not the case. I think humans out number psychopaths by a huge margin and therein lies my hope. We just hear about the psychopaths more because they get better press. Thanks for keeping up on the Isla Vista story, in my opinion the heart of the lie lives in the Rodger and Ross-Martinez stories.

    1. I tend to agree with you about the potential for good and evil, although I don’t feel as if I know for certain or if there would be any way to know. But I’m certain that a particular ethnosupremacy masquerading as a religion is pure evil even if all of it’s individual adherents or inheritors aren’t. The video is artful and I used to think the races could live in peace but if you look at societies like Sweden (pre-globalism), for example, the homogeneity of their country as one ethnicity made for one of the happiest societies. I’ve lived a life of ethnic/racial conflict coming from the ghettos NJ, where it wasn’t northwestern europeans versus blacks (or hispanics) but instead my people versus jews and italians who were largely mafia and also converso (conversos are italians and maybe spanish jews who converted to catholicism at some point in history). The tribalism was intense and my experience, which is quite vast, is that the tribal instinct in humanity is simply not one that can be overcome by culture. Blacks will always want people around them who look like them, and share their culture. Italians feel the same, as do my people. We humans are inherently narcissistic. I went through a phase where I was considering having a child and felt guilty for feeling so adamant that it had to be mine biologically (I was dealing with fertility issues). I wanted a child that was some expression of *me.* A friend who is a counselor said to me, ‘Don’t worry. It’s natural.’ Adopting a child for the right reasons is a beautiful thing. But the instinct to nurture a child that is part of us biologically – that looks like us – is inherent. When we try to mix races we’re almost playing global fertility doctors, which isn’t a good thing. Most genocides are precisely because of racial/tribal conflicts. Consider the fertility doctors. Studies show that children of sperm donor mothers fare far worse than those of ‘normal’ parents. From what I’ve seen this holds true when it comes to single mothers, who for the most part probably can’t get along with men very well so they act out their issues on their kids.

      Point being it’s not a natural way to mix gametes and forcing races to mix in some globalist petrie dish isn’t natural either.

      1. I’m mixed. Most of the friends my kids play with in the neighborhood are 2nd generation Mexican-American. The night the Isla Vista event happened I had been in my son’s classroom that day, and seen this beautiful group of kids of all races singing my son, happy birthday. I felt so hopeful and then that night another shooting close to home. I don’t know where this will go, but I know but it seems that TPTB actively acerbate differences like people’s race and encourage division, and I don’t want anything they are trying to sell me. The subject of whether or not to have children is huge, and I could go on and on about it. I love my children, and am glad I had them even at a late age (Like the Sandy Hook parents! lol), but I am extremely worried about where this world is headed. This world needs desperately the kind of nurturing safe love a mother provides, whether it’s an adopted child or your own. I feel the same pain when my neighbor’s children fall down while playing as I do when my own cry out. It’s a mother’s love and you have it in you whether you have children of your own, adopt, rescue abused animals, or spend time exposing the lies of psychopaths for the benefit of all children. I always enjoy reading your thoughtful honest posts, thank you.

  42. Odd that I’d just been writing earlier today about the demonization of white men and now this:

    Murphy’s law calls for pretty much complete control to be given to family members of the ‘mentally ill,’ as family can generally be counted on to go along with The State. People pick their friends, for one thing, so they have at least some control over who they associate with. Family isn’t voluntary, though, and can often be influenced more easily. They sometimes have monetary gains to make by disenfranchising other family members.

    I don’t know right off the bat whether this seems real or not but it’s a bit too coincidental.

    1. Note that the shooters name is Ron Lee Haskell. Not Ron L Haskell, or Ronald L Haskell, or just Ron Haskell. Whatever name is the most red-necky is always promoted by the MSM. How did someone shot in the head, in “very critical condition” make a 911 call? Will the defendant be found guilty at his trial or very guilty?

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