Unanswered Questions in the Isla Vista CA Shootings

You know what, you are also one of the people on this site that entertains the idea that these events are real. How much control does alex have over your perceptions? I bet if you gave yourself an honest evaluation you would conclude that he has a lot. It’s a bit scary that people are like that and he is lying to them about some pretty important stuff.

well I was just speculating, not trying to speak for you, sorry if I came off that way. When I first found alex in ’05 I really couldn’t see much of his shortcomings myself, I was so frantic about the situation at hand. I played his radio show for a buddy of mine quite often and he told me how Alex was a salesman but I couldn’t see it. It wasn’t until I heard him selling gold coins from midas and saying how this was the best deal he has seen anywhere on gold yet the price was $30 more an ounce that any coin shop you could walk into that I started to see him as a less attractive personality. Some stuff with fukushima and potassium iodide soured me on him as well. It seems like if one was going to fleece people they ought to do it to the collaborators not the resistance. Anyway my concern was not with that but the seriousness of this news report from canada claiming that a Freeman shot and killed 3 rcmp officers and wounded two more, martial law in a canadian town and infowars reporting on it as if it was real. It’s just like rich hypothesized about them faking an uprising and some followers taking it as real and justified. If you believe that the government blew up 200 people in boston and countless others in these hoaxes then one might feel quite justified in initiating force against such a violent threat.
the message boards are full over there with people like that. I’m sure many are trolls but many are serious as well.

Given that mainstream news is more like entertainment than news, I would have to agree that AJ’s format may be more appealing to the sleeping sheep, and a good way to get their feet wet. Throwing someone into the deep end of the pool at their first swimming lesson is not always productive.
Personally, my first exposure to Jones was a 5 part series called “The Secret Rulers of the World”, his, and the other episodes were part of my early awakening.

In the UK, young pubescent girls who are white/English are first groomed then sexually enslaved by the muslims on a scale that would shock any decent person, and outrage any person of northwestern european descent who had an ounce of pride in their people. I mention this because the assumption generally in western societies is that ‘people of color’ and especially females are the ‘Chief Victims.’ Nothing could be further than the truth; white, northwestern european females are being raped in Sweden, Norway, Denmark and the UK by black and muslim men at astonishing rates. Blondes are particularly targeted although not solely by these ‘cultural enrichers.’ One english father attempted to rescue his underage daughter from a group of muslim rapists but was accused of ‘racial harassment.’

This is no exaggeration. It’s also happened in the US, but so far I’ve only heard of it’s occurrence in the midwest where there are settlements of these muslim animals – for that is what any person who rapes a child or teen (or adult) is. It’s mostly blacks and some (far fewer) hispanic men who are perpetrators of interracial rape in the US, where blondes and redheads are also favorite targets.

I think lophatt is right about these prisons given the rumors I’ve heard and the sources reporting, but I have no concrete evidence. I’m certain that the state psychiatric hospitals will double for ‘reeducation’ centers.’ It’s whites – which in my lexicon can mean either europeans generally, northern europeans specifically, or (most often) northwestern europeans. I am germanic celtic and my sub-race is the one the NWO engineers seek to subjugate and even eradicate. We founded most of the eurosphere and the anglo founded countries dominate in that. We are their biggest enemy as we love individual freedom more than any other ethnicity/race on the planet. Once we are subjugated through soft genocide and what’s being prepared as outright enslavement and annihilation they can take over the planet.

All races stalk my people and try to invade the countries we founded. There are somalian refugees, brazilian, nigerian, etc. being brought into states like Iowa where white homeless live in tents and blacks usurp Section 8 housing. Hispanics invade the US every day and middle easterners and asians, both southern and northern, have established colonies in coastal regions, especially my state.

All of Europe is being flooded and invaded by the ‘colored’ hordes in ultimate fulfillment of the Tribe’s and their bought off race traitors quest to rule the world: Barbara Spectre explains how her people will save the lowly goy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ

The only thing that won’t survive in Europe without multiculturalism is her people’s oligarchy. Boo hoo.

It is my own comment that I am replying to, which is in moderation as I write this, so until the comment appears it might not be clear why I’m posting this. Trust me, it fits: http://www.steynonline.com/6101/hath-not-a-jew-eyes

I hope it’s good because I most certainly disagree with the article.

Patrick, as I said, I haven’t seen your comment so I don’t know what I’m responding to. I read the article and it comes across as another “whine” about “persecution” of the Jews. I could do a month easily on this subject and that is not the purpose of the forum here.

My advice would be to read “The Controversy of Zion” by Douglas Reed as a starting point. The word “persecution” has religious significance for Jews that Christians, generally, don’t understand.

“Persecution” is “punishment” for non-observance and the purported administrators of said punishment are us “cattle” (Goyim), whether we intend to be or not. It is “inescapable”. If we were smothering them in kindness we would still be “persecuting” them.

So, my comment was directed at the article, which I did not agree with. I am not sympathetic to the argument. I am not “guilty”.

It depends on which ‘culture’ you’re referring to. France is torn between the left’s white/muslim alliance and a white/jewish one on the right led by Le Pen, whose allegiances are not clear, although more evidence points to her being pro-jewish.

The Greeks will probably become engaged in the war between EU/Ukraine and Russia; the Golden Dawn has an alliance with the russians and are solidly anti-judeo. Swedens nationalist parties seem to offer tribal-tolerant and anti-judeo; same with England and what appears to be Holland and a couple of other european countries.

Patrick it just amazes me that you can’t grasp that it’s all a chess game for TCP. Spectre is probably an inner circle elite. There seem to be powerful jews on both the right and left in various parts of Europe. Perhaps there really is an Illuminati and the jews aren’t as united after all. They weren’t in pre-WWII Europe, when Hitler probably allied with the zionist jews to try to accomplish his eviction of them from their european perches.

I don’t get why Nazis get such a bad name. Rich, if you believe in the holocaust lies you’re either incredibly naive or somehow anti-german or anti-white. Perhaps you’re TCP. As a woman I would choose to live under the nazi regime over any islamic one. I might have mentioned I have a friend whose grandmother lived in a Nazi-occupied country and found the german men to be peaceful, at least to women. A mere cursory look at the way women get treated under Sharia should indicate that there is a vast difference between the two systems, if nazism could even be said to have been one.

I don’t get why europeans – native ones, not jews – are somehow denied the right to inhabit their own homelands. Why are many french jews who fear the rise of a white/muslim alliance in France leaving for England and not Israel? My position is that, left or right, jews always exist in an alliance of sorts, except perhaps in some times of war. This is true in America, where jews on both sides of the political spectrum unite whenever anyone criticizes a jew for their imperialistic anti-white nature. All ethnicities/races are united in their anti-white stance in the US. But the ethnicity that has benefited the most from anti-white, both in Europe and here, is definitely the jews.

What’s the difference between zionist America’s increasingly repressive regime and Sharia is the more apropos question to be asking.

ETA: I meant for the above post to appear down below as a response to Patrick’s, Rich’s and lophatt’s recent comments.

I haven’t studied WWII much beyond what I was told and I should learn more, please excuse my lack of knowledge. The Nazi don’t seem like great people, and this is hard to get my mind around…Are you saying that it is OK to be Anti-semitic because Jewish people are so horrible? I’ve always understood that the Zionist’s treatment of the Palestinians is deplorable, but that average Jewish people have as much control over that as you or I have over the shadow US government. Are you saying that the holocaust was a lie to create a Jewish state? I don’t want to ignore realities if that is the case, but I don’t know if I’m up for researching another conspiracy right now. I just know that when people start labeling groups of people as this or that based on the color of their skin or their religion, I get the exact same sad feeling I get when being lied to by the people on TV.

The exchange here has moved very far afield from the Isla Vista shooting.

I haven’t meant to offend anyone or misinterpret them.

cartiermccloud, I’m under the impression most regular posters agree that the photos of ‘Adam’ are faked in some way and that he in reality didn’t exist. I don’t want to put words in people’s mouths though, and didn’t mean to do upthread.

The Aurora shooter is baffling. Was it a black op that involved murders committed by government agents with Holmes then serving as the patsy? I only feel pretty certain some people were killed but I don’t know how many or who the culprit was. I’ve said before that Alex Teves’ father and girlfriend cause me to think some people were shot in that theater given Alex’ father’s comments challenging that Holmes was ‘mentally ill.’ Alex’ girlfriend also struck me as extremely believable, unlike the surviving family members of Elliot or of Victoria Soto.

I hope I’m not going back into the too contentious area of race/ethnicity, but there is a man named John DeNugent who is in the rather bizarre milieu of pro-white or what’s called ‘White Nationalism’ by many, who claims to have been part of the MkUltra mind control program. I’d previously doubted the veracity of that meme (that there were MkUltra programs) because it just seems so farfetched a possibility But the evidence does seem, in DeNugent’s case, to support that he may have been part of such a program.

I tend to just give up thinking about Holmes past the point of concluding that some people were killed in the theater. There are too many variables and I don’t know enough about brainwashing or black ops to speculate further. I’m comfortable talking about the psychology of the various characters in the Rodger case (with the exception of Veronica and Katie) because to me because he’s alleged to have actually have had psychological motives. Holmes was ascribed none but wanting to pretend to be Batman. We’re told he was materially delusional but was simultaneously capable of wiring an intricate bomb system in his apartment.

It seems most likely Holmes didn’t do it given the stats on schizophrenics and violence and considering how profound his delusions supposedly were. But men may be more prone to behave the way he or his persona did, especially at that young of an age, so this might be an exception to the norm for a schizophrenic as one possible theory. The media then could have added on elements like the supposed wired apartment and the psychiatrist who didn’t find Holmes’ alleged letter in time.

Happy Fourth to you too Sue, and everyone else as well. As “Tiny Tim” says “God bless us, everyone”.

I should know better than to try to discuss a subject in a forum that is not conducive to that level of detail. All it does is provide fodder for people to seize on and misunderstand.

I neither invent what I see (and say), nor do I necessarily “like” what I see. I just report what it means to me. I’ve written before on my idea of “countries” being almost obsolete. That is not by accident.

In a similar vein, these “events” we’re seeing, real or otherwise, are related. Whether the mechanisms used are media, or “religion” or “race”, these elements of human behavior are being manipulated for a goal. They are not representative of what would normally occur in nature, unassisted.

People have been manipulated since the beginning of time. What is “new” about it is the scale and the technology. What I’m trying to get at is that these things are never “either/or” propositions. They are more complex than that.

Most of these hoaxes basically work by over simplifying events and controlling the resulting discussion. To say that the use of stereotypes makes all stereotypes invalid is simply not true. The certain hope of those doing the manipulating is that we will be forced by political correctness to deny the existence of behaviors that must be addressed.

Said another way, “Holmes” is no different than “Shylock”. It is a CHARACTER designed to evoke reactions. In this analogy, “Holmes” is not only permissible to speculate about, it is desirable. Whereas, “Shylock” is taboo.

Both are examples of an “authority” attempting to define what we are allowed to consider and using a figure as a focal point for the manipulation of emotional reactions.

All of this is designed to destroy what we have collectively built up and replace it with a system designed by those who wish to control us. That requires that cohesion is broken. Whether that involves pitting “gun-lovers” against “gun-grabbers”, or Muslims against Christians, or “short people” against “tall people”, the target isn’t the point. None of these “groups” is initiating these actions on their own.

When people define themselves as members of a group, for whatever reason, the group has characteristics. People recognize these and, as such, it can be useful for story telling when you are engaged in a psyop. The “lone-nut shooter” has become a “group” in itself. It is tied to “mental health” and as such, is useful for those pushing an agenda.

In my humble opinion, everything is interconnected. That is why I can’t discuss one phenomenon and ignore another just because it makes people uncomfortable. Life is often uncomfortable and things don’t change just because we would prefer that they were otherwise.

In looking at the “shootings”, remember that “story telling” and “characters” are what the narrative is about. In the case of “Holmes”, I doubt that there is a “Holmes” (at least in the real sense). He (it) is a character. It isn’t based on the living, breathing “Holmes”, it is based on the script.

Sue, I’m saying that he is a patsy. He is a guy named “Holmes”, the CHARACTER of “Holmes” is all we’re seeing.

It is clear that he walked into the theater. He wasn’t dressed like “Robocop”. He opened the emergency exit and let someone in. They found another mask outside (besides the one in the car with him). He was out for the count.

There’s much more. As to the guy in court, I simply don’t know. There are pictures of what they purport to be him with dark eyes. There are pictures of him with blue eyes. All we “know” is that there are pictures.

I have no idea who the guy in the court room is.

Fish, that was very interesting. You made quite a list of these programs. I think its helpful to remember that they didn’t go to all that trouble for naught. We may very well be seeing some of the fruits of that labor.

There are hoaxes and there are things some people wish were hoaxes. I’m sorry but what part about attacking innocent countries don’t you understand? Someone who would do that (they called it “Blitzkrieg”) is capable of anything. It is that similarity to our own government which drew me here – after “Shock und Awe” – because if you would do that, then nothing is beyond you.

This topic may have gotten far afield, but indeed we are talking about the difference between something for which there is no credible evidence of the official story (Boston Marathon Bombing and many obvious fake shootings) and something where are family turns up missing most of its deported members (the families are real – I know some intimately). If Pol Pot could do it (and I am sure you aren’t calling him and his activities a hoax) then why not some European who ran amok all over his own continent, virtually insuring a lockdown for half of it for fifty years? When you look at those events as warfare, there’s nothing hoax-y about it at all. It was done as part of his plan, his war-making. These hoax things today are also part of a series of plans aimed at controlling a population felt to be threatening to the powers than be. We are today’s Jews under Hitler, as matter of fact. We are considered the internal enemy because we keep ourselves apart from the propaganda.

But you do yourself no favors by denying evidence wherever it leads, and my evidence is very direct. It happened. The holocaust happened. Reality is.

I rarely “go there,” and James has already pointed out that we’re way off topic, but this last by Sue simply has to be countered.

“There is no more forensic evidence to support that it happened than there is to prove Sandy Hook happened.” This is a ridiculous statement. Too bad your friend is a nincompoop, because he could have easily proven you wrong, as I am about to do: the proof is in the tens of thousands of villages across a continent, all of which had thriving communities before the war, and not a single member surviving after. Countless thousands of family members who either survived the camps, or had escaped to foreign countries, went back, only to find not a single family member or friend of the family remaining. All gone.

This is “forensic evidence” of the highest quality. The people, in their millions, simply vanished? Explain their disappearance, Sue. Explain it to their families. If they were not murdered, each and every person, in the tiniest villages in the remotest corners of every country the Germans occupied, were they each and every one abducted by aliens? And why just that ethnicity? (All right; plenty of Gypsies, too.)

Too bad your friend does not have the presence of mind to explain it to you this way, soberly. Perhaps you could pass this comment on to him, and ask him if it is the argument he would have mounted, were he to have thought of it.

This is not “a faith experience,” Sue. It is family members who traveled to their ancestral homes after a horrific war, only to find every single relation missing, never to be found again. Millions of people, most of whom had lived in those hamlets for hundreds of years, and would not in a million years consider leaving their native lands. You say “I don’t think it’s something easily discussed with anyone too directly invested in it.” Oh, but it is, Sue. These survivors are eager to discuss it. I myself have had those discussions. They can name all the missing relatives, and express inconsolable sadness at their disappearance from their lives.

What they find hard to endure is people like you, who tell them that they are liars, that their relatives are still alive and well, in that inaccessible village in Belorussia, or Romania, or Hungary. That, they find it hard to discuss. And I for one can’t blame them.

Sorry, James, but some nasty business can’t be left alone, undisputed, however off-topic.