From J. Paul Vance, Connecticut State Police
The Connecticut State Police report on the Dec. 14, 2012, shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School will be released on Friday, December 27, 2013, at 3:00 p.m.
The report will be available only at this website: http://www.ct.gov/statepolicenewtownreport
The report runs several thousand pages and has been redacted according to law.
The report does contain some text, photos and 911 calls received by the State Police on the day of the shootings.
The release of this document is indicative that this State Police criminal investigation is concluded.
LT. J. Paul Vance
See also Associated Press, Police File on Newtown Shooting to be Released
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Literally 1000s of digital photos to go thru, but three things are completely clear from their own pictures:
1) Porta potties clearly visible in the parking lot
2) Plywood, as seen in the overhead video from 12-14-12, is clearly stacked to the right of the Sandy Hook Elementary School sign, behind the black Honda.
3) There are lot’s of CT license plates being photographed, one with the resources will surely check them all out.
The interior of the school looks completely staged, even for a crime scene. There is nothing from the interior pictures, (I looked thru a plethora of them) that say the words “Sandy Hook.”
Another interesting event to note is the presence of several moving vans, which appear almost empty from the pics. I would say that items, such as desks, chalkboards, school stuff en masse, etc. are being moved INTO the school instead of FROM the school building.
Pencils, papers already removed for the museum to come? Nowhere around.
Well for starters:
1. I only saw an NRA certificate for Nancy not Adam. NRA Instructor Chris Hansen. (I was told by a local the instructor saw Adam at the range many times but I don’t believe it and asked for a second confirmation) The range was an indoor range so it was likely 22 caliber only and it burned down and no longer exists.
2. Lanza was 6 ft 112 pounds and he wore 32R BDUs and carried a loaded Sig in his left pocket ??? I don’t think so.
3. Suicide shot – through right rear of head through upper front of head and through the hat. Picture of hat was included
Carl, there is not one drop of blood on that hat.
The point is even if there is no blood it is an impossible shot. And yes the fact that there is no blood or pieces of skull for that matter is a very astute observation on your part. A 10mm Glock is going to kick,
Sally Cox said Lanza was wearing boots so she is caught in another lie. Also there is no blood anywhere on his clothes. His underwear is cleaner than mine. That 10mm would have blown his head clean off that thing is a canon.
I suppose if the PTB can get away with building 7 they can pretty much get away with this and anything else.
Those pants would have been falling off that kid. Also I have never seen BDUs like that. Normally Propper (the name in BDUs) has range sizes like medium/regular which would be a 31-35 inch waist 29.5 to 31.5 inseam. Lanza’s is 32r???. Lanza would have needed a small/extra small size. He was 6ft 112 pounds his waist could not be more than 29 inches and likely smaller.
Carl, the pants observation is great as it leads on to believe that someone gave him those pants who didn’t realize how skinny he was. But I believe in subsequent clothing pics, I saw a belt and suspenders. I do think that the pants being so “off” is still suspicious.
Excellent point Beth. Someone asserted that his underwear was medium which further supports your point that they planted those articles of clothing without knowing what his size was. Six feet tall and 112 pounds means that he could only wear the smallest sizes available. Even if Lanza wore pants at least 3 sizes too big with suspenders he would at least have fitting underwear. No way could his waist exceed 29 inches- medium size underwear would have fallen to his ankles.
No substantive quantities of blood anywhere. The 10 mm is Glock’s most powerful gun. The top half of Lanza’s head including blood brains and skull should be in his hat. It’s quite conceivable, if not very likely, that his entire wardrobe was simply planted-presented.
When and where would he have ever bought a combat accessory vest ?
Even if Nancy Lanza had a hobby of shooting AR-15s would she have a dozen 30 round magazines?
The whole story is just insanely absurd.
It looks like in the pics that he was wearing an Under Armour type compression underwear – and in that brand, I have to size up (at least once) all of my sons. So, a medium at 112 pounds is actually about right.
Maybe Lanza was brought there…broken door jams at home (front door and adam’s bedroom door) may indicate forced entry…also looks as though car broke through auto garage door…no blood on hat and shot (execution style) from behind could mean he was killed at the home and brought to school
Carl, Adam’s NRA Certificate was on a list of items found in what appeared to be a range bag, also containing ear protection, ammo, targets and other shooting equipment.
Good observations Carl,
Someone did the math on all the ammunition and figured Adam to be toting 700 rounds in his pockets. Good thing for those suspenders!
The kid certainly was a freak of nature at 112 lbs., six feet tall, and only wore a size 8.5 shoe. At 6′ tall, he should have been wearing between 10.5 to 12 shoe size. Nancy spent the day before shopping at an outlet mall. I doubt those cheap worn out Nunn Bush shoes were hers, but the size would make more sense for her. Besides, shooter had on boots per school nurse.
After seeing the improbable angle of the suicide shot, I started to wonder if the soft voice on the police scanner which directed an officer to: “End the life of Adam,” maybe wasn’t a prank after all, but part of the drill scenario.
Is Chris Hansen gone now that the range has burned down? One year later, and so many key players are gone – retired, fired, quit, et c.
Chief Medical Examiner Wayne Carver resigns
School Superintendent Janet Robinson’s contract is not renewed
Newtown Police Chief Dennis Anderson (resigns, signs Non-disclosure and gets $175.000.)
First Responder Thomas Bean – on leave
The Posners moved to Seattle, taking Noah with them. (Veronique says that she was almost 40 and already had three children when she decided to undergo expensive and difficult fertility treatments to have the twins in 2006.)
Who else is out of there?
Wayne Carver resigned? (I only heard that he had threatened to, if the legislation sealing death certificates for juveniles was not passed, a couple years ago.)
I have an interesting tidbit to relate, again not connected to the videos. I just found an article published in the Bridgeport Telegram on Jan. 12, 1972, at p. 7, “‘Occult Explosion’ Seen by Sandy Hook Publisher.” The “Sandy Hook Publisher” is named Robert C. H. Parker, 30 years old. He publishes “The Occult Trade Journal.”
Robbie Parker’s father?
That’s strange. Of course there are a lot of “Parkers”. They were supposedly from Utah or New Mexico. What is the article about? The East Coast branch of the “Church of Satan” is located there. That’s somewhat consistent with the date.
Well, it’s about “occult products,” and he says business is booming.
I have scanned and uploaded it to an online vault. Here is the link:
Thank you for the pic!!!!
Curiously, I was doing a big search this morning, in “newspapers.com.” That is where I found that: I paid for a one-week trial subscription. I then responded to an email from fvpatterson–at least, that’s how he identified himself. (I had put my personal email address on this blog yesterday.) After I sent that, I took a shower. When I came back to my computer, I tried to search again, on several items, and now NOTHING comes up, no hits on ANYTHING.
FV Patterson, did you indeed send me that email? Just want to know if maybe it was some impostor, instead!
I’m wondering if Robbie Parker by chance took his wife’s name. He seems to be a bit of a mystery. Just watched a video of them on YouTube being interviewed 100 days after the event. When it is slowed down – reactions of husband and wife…well, they continue to be bazaar.
Will keep looking around as I do not party it up on New Years 🙂
That was me Dinophile…..thanks for the reply.
Very interesting find, dinophile!
Medical Examiner Carver Retired…link to story from May 2013:
hey dinophile do you have a link to that article? I’ve done a lot of searching on the Parkers – never came across that, all roads led to Utah.
Yes, I would love to see that, too.
I tried to do a person search for a Robert C. H. Parker, and found this, which I’m sure is just a coincidence.
Tried to find “Occult” and “The Occult” (name of this supposed trade journal) in the state business entity filings. That biz address is now the biz of LS Graphics (since like 2002). Totally different owner.
HOWEVER: (I’m still hunting)
Did find another mention of the person from 1974: Please see this link:
Dinophile, are you saying that you opened an email from fvpatterson and it messed up your computer?
dinophile (and all), please ignore my previous comment; I misunderstood what you were saying. Sorry.
The black narrator of this excellent 2 hour video compilation of evidence for hoax has me in stitches, even though mostly he’s just indignant bordering on maybe somewhat outraged.
He includes the CNN interview of the ‘classmate’ who lies transparently about her alleged memory of Adam in elementary school – why is it some of the most involved BS artists in this play are of a certain ethnicity? This is my question, not the black narrators.
Why was there no digital footprint of Adam’s when he lived through his computer? Etc. etc. The first 10 – 20 minutes of this video focus on the nonexistence of Nancy and Adam, which Is why I post it here, as I am with the posters who don’t think they were ‘real.’ It may need to be restarted at the beginning.
ETA: the discussion of Adam’s shadowy nonexistence begins at around the first 10 minute mark. Did the rumor/report that Adam had tried to buy guns sustain itself, or did it also become part of the editing wastebasket? Because the narrator brings up the point that there would have been surveillance footage of that that never surfaced.
Several things evident in the pictures:
1. Apparently in CT, not only do you call crime scene clean-up before you take your pictures, you wait until they are on scene so you can photograph them, too;
2. I’m not sure how Adam Lanza got inside the school, but I know how he didn’t;
3. In CT, crime scenes aren’t approached for photography as they are in the rest of the country, although, I was partially trained by Henry Lee, of the CT State Crime Lab, and he taught the same thing most others do;
4. Apparently, the suspect shot the floor a lot of times and the ceiling several times;
5. The crime scene photographs seem to be in no particular order, since there are daytime shots interspersed with night-time shots;
6. Adam Lanza was very light since he left no footprints outside;
7. Adam Lanza (or some ammo fairy) left a lot of extraneous and unfired rounds lying about;
8. I hope the State didn’t go broke taking 18 autopsy photos of Lanza. I normally take that many of the body before the pathologist even begins the autopsy;
9. The home search photos are no better than the school photos;
10. This space does not list have near enough room to list everything else.
Just my thoughts as a veteran police investigator
I do see one interior photo that appears to be the nurses office in which the letters ‘SHS’ are on a hat worn by a smily face charactar. I know the official reports call it SHES, but this might be close enough. Still looking for other demarkations.
I just read the letter of Commissioner Bradford, and know that to go further is pointless. The names and identifying information of all the victims and all the witnesses have been withheld!
Some police report. What a joke.
Dinophile, are you serious? This does not ring of proper protocol.
Is this an attempt to narrow the cost of the cover-up and reduce the likelihood of prosecution for falsifying evidence. Sounds like the contracts with the actors did not cover post event labor.
Yes, right, fvpatterson–it is not a real police report when witnesses and victims are not identified. It means no one can cross-examine the people who were supposedly at the scene, check out their stories, and find inconsistencies.
If the officials won’t even tell you what their story IS, or who their sources are, then how can anyone say it isn’t true?
The same holds true for the “redactions.” The videos I’ve seen so far are nothing but red herrings. Why so much time spent photographing that one classroom window on the exterior? Or in the gym? These are places where nothing happened. I haven’t yet seen the places where something supposedly DID happen. (Apparently, those are the redacted portions!) Like, in their video of the exterior of the school, why didn’t they point the camera AT THE FRONT DOOR? And why did they shoot this video AT NIGHT?
Yes, this is a cover-up–of a fiction.
Dino, that’s a good question. Just like the shotgun found in the trunk. Why would you have all day at the supposed crime scene with the “mad shooter’s” car right in front and wait until after dark to look in the trunk?
Wouldn’t you think you’d have someone “clear” the car just in case? Well, you would, if it where real.
The footage of the trunk opening must be fake or belong to something else. I have seen a vid of the same scene, without the cropping, and several people standing by have full chem/bio hazard gear on. White suits, masks… Why? Because its something else entirely.
Yes. Here’s another tidbit. It has nothing to do with the video.
If you’ve ever looked at the USGS 7-1/2″ quads of Newtown, CT, you will know that, on the 1963 printing, there is a very thick black “L” in the location of Sandy Hook Elementary. However, it is not labeled, whereas the junior high, high school, and Hawley School in Newtown ARE labeled, and are thinner black lines. This black L is missing from the 1953 map, consistent with the “school’s” having been constructed in 1955.
I just thought to ask for the surveyors’ notes, and the USGS has provided them to me today. Unfortunately, I can’t interpret them–emailed the USGS guy, but have not yet heard back (and maybe I never will). The curious thing is that it says two benchmarks were destroyed in 1955. (Also, three other benchmarks in the area were “reset” in 1942, 1963, and 1966.)
The ones destroyed in 1955 say: “23 W 1922 431” and “28 W 1922 128”. I think the “1922” refers to the original survey of this area by R.M. Wilson.
I just realized that the interstate is missing from the map in 1955 but is there in all its glory in 1963, and there is one exit right at Sandy Hook. Maybe the highway is the reason the benchmarks were destroyed, but I am now wondering whether the “school” was actually built to store equipment in connection with the highway construction. I’m also remembering that Fenn Dickinson was killed in connection with construction of a road.
I don’t know if anything more can be gained from the survey notes, but if anyone has the background to interpret them, please let me know at: firstname.lastname@example.org and I’ll email them to you. I can also give anyone who wants the directions for accessing the USGS topo maps.
On some other board they said the photos from inside the school show no signs of it being in session that day (or ever, my addition.)
It appears from careful study, the majority of the pictures (the ones that are shown) were taken between March and early April of 2013. This is evidenced by lighting conditions, vegetation state, rain in the parking lot, the way the CSI team is dressed, etc. It looks like the electricity was turned on for a few of the pictures.
John, yes, that’s important. I noticed in looking at the original photos at the outset that some appeared to be shot during different times of year. The foliage, etc., wasn’t right, also the sun angles.
Now that the state has released all the documents people have requested, you sickos who have been dwelling on this event for over a year need to get back to some type of human lifestyle. Instead it looks like you have become addicted to sick conspiracy theories!!!
“All documents” with the exception of those of particular significance to such an investigation, many of which are heavily redacted, and otherwise exempting visual images of the actual crime scene and victims, in addition to the identities of witnesses.
From the NYT 12/27/13: “Yet painfully detailed descriptions accompanied the often-redacted pages, relaying eyewitness accounts from students and school staff members, and snapshots of emergency workers dashing to locked doors, at times straining to convince terrified teachers on the other side that they were officers.”
It is notable how the document dump takes place late on a Friday afternoon over the holiday season, an especially opportune time for the item to quickly escape the news cycle and potential public scrutiny.
James said – It is notable how the document dump takes place on Friday afternoon over the holiday season.
Oh you wacky conspiracy theorists…I’m sure it was just coincidence…cough cough….
James , you want inside email access to sandy hook parents let me know at email@example.com
I have the way …
Wait, your moniker is “Remember Sandy Hook”–and your calling people sickos for “dwelling on this event”. wow
🙂 Thanks Susan, I was thinking the same thing. It is also curious to me why the sheeple get so upset when the rest of us question what we are told to believe…unless they’re paid to do it…
Ladies and gentlemen, the next post you will see from “Remember Sandy Hook” will be about his step cousin twice removed, whose sister’s next door neighbor knows someone that witnessed with their very own eyes two children fleeing SHE that morning without their coats on. So don’t try to tell him this was really a hoax!
Hey “Remember”, do you live in Sandy Hook? If so, maybe you can answer a simple question that I asked yesterday: Is Newtown and/or Sandy Hook Connecticut a REAL place? Do REAL flesh and blood people live there?
That’s about the gist of it, Mary… In all, these shills that pop up occasionally on Dr. Tracy’s site (and others) may well be part of this type of operation:
+1000 up votes, John. Thanks for digging up that link…It was good to visit it again as a refresher.
“Remember Sandy Hook ” hails from Westport CT.
Lt Vance—is that you??
Remember the Maine? That’s how I remember Sandy Hook.
That’s a little late, is it not? Did they tidy up the place first, too? (I can’t download for some reason.)
The pics download rather quickly, the videos take forever and I have not gone thru them yet.
Just watched the first video.Five minutes of showing the front window shot out,50 minutes of the words—CONTENT REDACTED.What a insult to ANYONE’S intelligence.
Video on Daily Mail – article and photos of school and of lovely gun-ridden Lanza home complete with fuzzy slippers on top of a sterile cabinet, with yet another rifle. Target practice sheets courtesy of the Newtown Police Dept. Generally, people don’t keep these as souvenirs unless the shooting is complete bullseyes with the center shot out.
and video within shows grout in the school is very old, the ceiling tiles looked scrubbed but also like tired.
Marzi, that is truly pathetic. There is a very cheap gun safe. In it is an antique Enfield. The other revolver is also prehistoric. “Exhibit 616” is a Marksman BB gun. I have on just like it. Wouldn’t blow a hole through tissue paper.
The “Zombie Room” appears completely bare except for the carefully placed “finds”. The .22 bolt action rifle on the floor is a cheapy too. It is not a semi-automatic.
The “bullet holes” in the tile are very odd. A .223 would shatter the tile. They could be made by anything, probably a ball-peen hammer. I see no evidence of any holes in the walls or furniture opposite the window at the school. I don’t know what they were trying to show with the overturned copier or printer.
The shot of the room with the carpeting and all the clipboards pilled in the doorway is odd too. The targets appear to have .22 holes in them but, of course, I can’t tell. A .223 is the same basic diameter. I don’t know what the point is.
As to the photo of the boy. I have a similar one from the late 1940’s of me at about 1 or 2 years of age holding and pointing a Luger. It was shot by the cop who lived next door and owned it.
Lophatt My guess is that Nancy Lanza may likely have been target shooting with small caliber 22 ammo as a small hobby and I highly doubt that she ever had an AR-15 and she sure as hell did not have a Saiga 12 gage shotgun. Even if she did would she have a dozen 30 round mags ? and multiple 10 and 20 round barrel mags for the shotgun ???? No way.
I ascertained that Nancy Lanza did go apparently to an indoor range in Monroe CT. The instructor on her certificate is Chris Hansen. (don’t bother googling him you will get a million hits of To Catch a Predator) They would have only allowed small caliber shooting. The range has since burned down quite awhile ago. I was also told that she and Adam were in there “many times” but I still cannot believe Adam could tolerate the noise at a range so I am going to try to confirm that.
Carl, based on what you have said here, I would say that this range was used as “Nancy’s range” because it burned down and because of the name, Chris Hansen. There is no way to investigate if this claim is true when the range is gone and the “instructor is impossible to find. I don’t think that “Nancy” was a real person.
I just looked at Nancy’s NRA certificate and it was dated February 2010. I believe the range burned down in November 2010. The instructor is a real guy. For what it’s worth.
Speaking of the NRA, Does anyone have a clue why the NRA has not spoken out about the SH charade. Maybe, I answered my own question- the NRA is continuing to reap benefits via new memberships and possibly have a truce with the puppeteers.
Article on gun range fire
Carl, I’m not saying that the range burned down prior to “Nancy” getting a certificate. I am saying that I think that tptb chose a range that has since burned down because now no one can go there and investigate to find out if Nancy really did visit and receive a certificate. It was chosen for the story because it’s now gone and that is very convenient. Just like I believe that the gun store where “Nancy” purchased weapons was chosen because the owner was already in major trouble with the law which would make it that much more difficult for said owner to speak out against the “official story”. I don’t know whether or not “Chris Hansen” is real but I might look into it later.
@fvpatterson, good point. It also made me think, who says NRA isn’t owned by the puppeteers. They can own and control whatever they want. Do the puppeteers own gun manufacturing companies? Gun purchases, at least from what I see, have risen since the event.
Zem I agree with your thinking. The fact that Nancy “bought” her AR-15 from a store 70 miles away that was convicted for not filing paperwork is quite convenient is it not ? I would lay pretty heavy odds that she never owned or fired an AR-15 in her life.
Likewise the shooting range would be quite a convenient dead end as well. For better or worse I can comment with good certainty that she did go to the range in Monroe and supposedly Adam did as well. There is no NRA cert for Adam in the picture evidence which contradicts the search warrant inventory. I personally still cannot believe that Adam could shoot a gun since he could not stand loud noises which I know for a fact. Also being at a range is nerve wracking even for experienced shooters. Anything is possible but I am going to keep digging.
I will be quite shocked if I discover Adam shot any guns, even small caliber, it will undermine a great part of my original assessment of his capability. However ,regardless, I cannot believe he ever harmed anyone and there is NO evidence to prove that he did.
In connection to firearm noise and other noises that bothered Adam, it is not beyond the realm of possibility that the anticipated noise of a firearm shot (with ear protection) didn’t bother but noise he could not control bothered him intensely. I get annoyed with certain noises – just overly sound sensitive at times (primarily when a chronic health condition flares – just dumb things get on my nerves). ANYWAY… I’ve found that ongoing noise that I can’t control / can’t easily get away from tends to annoy me but I can go to the range and shoot all day long. I can control and anticipate my own shots and for other shooters? Well, if it bothers too much, I know I can leave. Just a thought. A person like Adam might’ve hate the sound of someone banging their head against the wall but if he did it for an hour straight – not so much.
Carl, what makes you so certain that Nancy and Adam really went to that range in Monroe? What evidence exists that shows this to be true?
Zem I have a direct contact who, for obvious reasons, I will not identify. Nancy was definitely in there. I was told Adam was as well but I just cannot bring myself to believe that so I want to confirm that information and follow up.
I know the guys that did the lawn at his house could not use the weedwhacker by his room because the noise freaked him out so I just don’t see that he could function at a range.
That’s not very convincing, Carl to say that you know someone who knows something about someone. It’s not evidence. It’s rumor.
Zem for what it’s worth that’s what I am willing to provide. Could I get a sworn affidavit from the witnesses I spoke to? Yes but why would I ? Would you like me to continue to share what I discover or not?
When the news was reporting that Lanza tried to buy a gun at Dick’s sporting goods I did some digging and spoke to everyone in the sporting goods department and ascertained that Lanza was never there. (nobody saw him there) This was in January of this year. Not until the “official report” came out was that lie refuted officially.
So I really don’t know what else you can reasonable expect. Sorry.
Thanks for sharing about the bogus gun purchase attempt – I failed to hear that it had been inaccurate! Wow, just wow. Scary stuff.
Please feel free to continue sharing, Carl. I’m just noting that without any way to verify the things that you share, it’s not believable. Just like without evidence, the official story is not believable.
Beth D. I fully agree and also suffer from heightened noise sensitivity. But that which I can control affects me differently than that which I cannot. Sometimes even the same type/source of noise in one place, like work, doesn’t bug me that much but when it’s in my private space, like my home or bedroom, it can completely paralyze me.
Hi Sue! It’s always nice to hear from folks who share our issues/maladies 🙂 I’m so sorry..I totally understand – and thank you for your input!
I’ve had fibromyalgia since my early teens (I’m now muuuch older) and many of us have a low tolerance for some noises. Like you, work noise – no problem. Kids playing Xbox – no problem…even while I’m working on a computer in the same room…but my husband playing the TV too loudly (esp. commercials) bugs me 99.99% of the time. Some sounds & even certain tones in some peoples’ voices can be unpleasant or just super annoying. I hear you about noise while relaxing, etc. – I get especially aggravated with repetitive noise (like the booming bass from a neighboring apt when I lived in one decades ago – would drive me mad). While I can’t relate to the severe issues that Adam Lanza reportedly suffered through, I can relate to some of the noise issues – sounds like you can, too!. Only difference, we can try to bear it if we have to (or politely ask the noisemaker to stop) vs. going off the deep end.
Now, I’m not entirely convinced that the young Lanza lad existed. So much about this story doesn’t mesh up at all (and the released pictures and such only raised my suspicions). Maybe he does and he’s in an institution somewhere. The school? I still can’t fathom well-to-do residents of the area sending their little ones to that “pit” of a school and the Lanza house…well, a very strange place indeed. Anyway, sorry to ramble on. Thank you also for sharing your thoughts on noise sensitivities! Happy New Year!
Carl, you clearly believe that ‘Nancy’ and ‘Adam’ were real people. Do you have a theory of what actually happened, or a number of theories based on evidence you feel you know to be true?
Zem your incredulity is praiseworthy
Carl, yes, could be. I have to admit that I’m of the opinion that both Nancy and “Adam” are largely fictitious. But, I have an open mind.
I understand that in Connecticut it is difficult to own an “assault rifle”. Where I live they are as common as…..well, they’re common. I have several guns and I shoot occasionally. There are several ranges near me or I can just go to the woods.
I know more people who have guns than those who do not. I don’t get all shaky over them. The only reason around here for an NRA cert. is that most ranges won’t let you on them without one. When I got mine I could have listed my name as Genghis Khan and they would have issued it so long as I paid the fee.
One of the women who work for me is a national champion shooter. I only mention this because I have a hard time imagining what sort of people get all twisted around the axle over someone who target shoots, even if it happens to be a woman. I would much prefer the women I love in life to be able to defend themselves.
I made it a point to teach all my kids, the girls as well as the boys, how to safely handle and shoot firearms. There’s nothing virtuous in being defenseless. Now I made an exception for my autistic daughter. It is too dangerous (for her and others), and she wouldn’t enjoy it.
I have to wonder why someone who supposedly grew up on a farm and liked to shoot would move to a “tony” neighborhood surrounded by gun haters. I suppose we’re expected to “connect the dots” between shooting at a range and “mad serial killer”. If both of them were “real” and the story were “true” she would have locked everything up and forced poor “Adam” to scrounge through the garage looking for a hammer I suppose.
Carl, thanks for the link to the range fire. You mean to tell me that with all the brouhaha over fire houses there that they don’t have working hydrants on Main Street? Strange spending priorities for a place with an oversized firehouse.
Sue what criteria would you espouse to ascertain whether or not someone is real? Witness statements ? pictures? court documents? probate records? Socials Security records? Selective Service data base ?
Zem I am curious as to what your criteria is for “believable” evidence?
I appreciate the incredulity of those of us seeking truth but we are operating on anonymous blogs so ultimately we can only process our own information to our own satisfaction. It’s like trying to judge a TV picture quality by watching it on your own TV. I can tell you that the Samsung is better than the Sony and that I have looked them both over and you can watch them from your own TV or on Skype but ultimately you need to do your own test in front of the TV. All I can do for you is tell you what I found and you are welcome to consider that in your examination.
Regarding Lanza’s noise tolerance. Anything is possible but I know it is nerve wracking at a range and I am experienced with all types of firearms and high powered rifles. So I find it highly unlikely , but not impossible, Lanza could tolerate gunfire.
What is real ?
If people you trust are telling you things that you can verify then that is great research for yourself. When you share the information that you gleaned from anonymous sources on a blog where you are an anonymous person then I have absolutely no reason to believe you because none of the information is verifiable due to it all being anonymous. If it can’t be verified then why would I believe it. Because someone on the internet told me it was true? No, sorry. That is not enough.
With proper ear protection all of my sons – some of which are very noise sensitive, can tolerate their training without issue. One son has an ear so sensitive it test as above-normal (so even fire drills can “hurt”). He loves to go to the range. So, please be open minded.
Carl, Asperger’s and Autism are not the same thing. Even if they were, not all people with autism have issues with noise. Some do, some don’t.
The “story” about the weed whacker is just that. On the other hand, it wouldn’t be hard for me to believe an autistic person who would freak out over a weed eater being perfectly fine with gunfire.
I don’t think any of this tale is true. Saying that someone is autistic or has Asperger’s doesn’t provide enough information to know how they would act.
Watched Indoor Scene Videos 4 of 5 and 5 of 5. If this was SHS, it was freshly painted in white and still a very dismal place to be. Of course the redacted was greater than not and there is filming of dark areas that may as well of been redacted. Lots of coverage of toilets, of course zooming in on the full trash bins to show they are indeed in use. There were many storage units that were fire hazards. Perhaps they do not have fire inspectors in CT, in my several decades of employment, our in house fire marshals would not of allowed these fire loads, let alone closets that had no path in or out. Not surprisingly, the video is very blurry, but in the start of 4 of 5, there are very ominous posters in the gym with horns and such, did a screen capture, but do not know how to share here. Sometimes it seems like the hoaxers are monitoring this site, there was a small Christmas tree and a reindeer on the main office window but otherwise no sign of the holiday. Recalled there was no cafeteria at SHS, but there is video of disgusting, supposedly pizza in the making, looks more like cardboard, some painted in red……
Kathy, I watched indoor scene no. 5 in it’s entirety. The boiler room is a complete joke, with garden hoses all over the place, numerous cardboard boxes piled near a functioning boiler on 12-16-12 in a winter climate, and a very ominous sign in the extremely large boiler room, more fitting for the boiler room of a 90 story mega-building. The sign at near 8 mins in says “SCHOOL CLOSED TODAY, do not leave children.” These videos are a complete FARCE and prove that SHES was a fabrication.
Forgot to mention the garden hoses clearly obstructing paths in their crumpled messes and one coming down the stairs to perhaps relieve a flood to the drain? Next view is redacted, curious the cellar has redacted views but with all the rusted shambles of equipment, perhaps it should of all been all redacted. Would be very concerned if my child was in this school system, on their apparent disregard of all safety standards. Believe the Fire Marshall should be called to inspect all the schools post-haste!
Yes and the exterior door and fire extinguisher were blocked by a giant floor polisher along with the hoses and a bunch of other junk. I would think that the fire Marshall would have a thing or two to say about that if this was a functioning school. Also, the sign on the door tells contractors to not enter through the kitchen. Contractors? Was the school under construction at the time of the “shooting”?
I watched the beginning of the video of the Lanza home. It was pitch dark yet they still went ahead and filmed the exterior of the home, the yard, etc. It was hard to see any details. I guess they just could not wait for daylight to do it?
The inside pictures, a VAST MAJORITY of them are of door knobs. Which is what they think of us!
LMAO!………..still laughing…………thanks for that.
I watched some of the first video of the school. Most of it was redacted but they did show one room that should have been a classroom but it was mostly empty, just a few desk and chairs and a little puppet show set (perhaps another slap in our face showing us that this was a set and the players were puppets?) I could see it had a bathroom attached as well as a closet. It appeared to be a classroom but it definitely was not for an active class as it was mostly empty.
from “pics from the Yogananda home”…. Under the bathroom sink….two big packages of Huggies Diapers. For whom? WTH?
Just take a look at the boiler room of “The School” in inside video no. 5, a 10 min video. This is a massive, massive, massive boiler system…most likely for a humongous skyscraper housing 10,000 plus!!!
Interior video 3 of 5 might be called the 57 minutes of the redacted photo, with video of a few photographs of nothingness, like a door. There is compelling video of the toilets again, and at 3.51, 48.31 and 49.47 evidence of water damage, including a full 5 gallon bucket.
Why the redactions in the vid of the exterior? Before the redaction he’s filming a bit of wall and path. After the redaction he’s filming a bit of wall and path. what can possibly have happened in the intervening minute that needed to be cut out?
Sandy Hook Newtown Connecticut teaches children deceit
Boston Watertown Massachusetts teaches children deceit?
Boston Watertown teaches “sit stay command” to the public in six towns; it teaches institutions like Boston University (whose Chinese grad student allegedly dies), its students (who hear the minister at Marsh Chapel talking about terror attacks during their services), its emergency room docs at top hospitals, its new senator, Elizabeth Warren, the administration at MIT, the police at MIT, etc. — to read the fictional material they have been given and to act like insiders in authority who know the facts, when they do not. People who say they witnessed the bombing from across the street or people like me who lived in a shut-down town with all businesses and schools closed for the day of the “pursuit” of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev — really know nothing about a “terror attack”, only what authorities told us to do in order to make it seem real.
I believe these authorities are afraid for their lives if they do not comply.
Sit and stay- excellent analogy Musings. Did you notice the talking heads on the political shows thereafter stating how happy people were to give up their Constitutional rights for safety? Oh it’s definitely on. So sad that so few see what’s going on.
Using “Sec_4_Primary_Scene” link available courtesy of Sandy Hook Official Report Link. I “walked” around the house and determined that the fenestration on the second story of the south east corner of the house most closely matches the interior in this video. Facing the front door this will be to your right and in the back. This is very easy to determine as much of the architecture automatically obviates, or excludes itself i.e. no windows on a wall or too many. Using a program called KLONK I was able to measure the exterior and the interior of the house and the numbers don’t match up. I determined the window size as a standard double hung window and got the measurements from Anderson Windows. You set your scale to inches and measure the width of a standard window and this becomes your “go by” or paradigm for any other measurements you make. You have to determine one line before the options are no longer “greyed out.” The distance for the two windows on the one wall are roughly correct but the corner windows are way to close together. Busted!
Video was not mentioned in my post above it should have read:
Using “Sec_4_Primary_Scene” link available courtesy of Sandy Hook Official Report Link. I “walked” around the house and determined that the fenestration on the second story of the south east corner of the house most closely matches the interior in this video (this video being: “Sandy Hook Adam Lanza’s Bedroom” by KateSlate11) which shows Adam Lanza’s bedroom. Facing the front door this will be to your right and in the back. This is very easy to determine as much of the architecture automatically obviates, or excludes itself i.e. no windows on a wall or too many. Using a program called KLONK I was able to measure the exterior and the interior of the house and the numbers don’t match up. I determined the window size as a standard double hung window and got the measurements from Anderson Windows. You set your scale to inches and measure the width of a standard window and this becomes your “go by” or paradigm for any other measurements you make. You have to determine one line before the options are no longer “greyed out.” The distance for the two windows on the one wall are roughly correct but the corner windows are way to close together. Busted!
Very impressive comparison work revealing a mismatch between the exterior and the interior of the home based on window and wall dimensions. This has confirmed my more intuitive instincts that the inside of this home is too small. The ceilings in such an executive home should be 8.5 to 9 ft, at the lowest, but the photos all look to have 8ft walls and no extra height or large rooms.
I contend that no self-respecting woman would have those tacky narrow twin mirrors in the living room, and the house should be large enough to stand an ironing board in the laundry room. Connecticut is in a part of the country where wealthy people worship old furniture – antiques, not the stuff you buy in a cardboard box at Wal-Mart and assemble – but the “Lanza’s” house is full of that stuff.
The décor is not what you would expect to find in a home occupied by an educated professional woman – one with a quarter million annual income. Everything looks like it came out of the 1984 JC Penney catalogue!
My little house, which lists in the two figure range (lol,) is much nicer! It’s a relief to see how you established empirical data to confirm this fakery. Great Job Peter O’Rourke.
Well said you two – I agree. In fact, my 14 year old son was looking over my shoulder at the house video and said the exact same thing about the room sizes. An absolute zero match for a house with that square footage. Even the foyer and steps going up made no sense for a home that size – even if it were constructed a few decades ago.
Also of note, my son and I noted that the home had a good-sized pantry and it was nearly empty! Is this why Adam only weighed 112 pounds? I don’t know – but I was surprised the photog didn’t open the fridge for us to view as the dingbat lifted up the toilet seats. The lower level toilet look like it was a house that had been winterized (no water) but perhaps was plugged. The upstairs toilet shown (just one, not in master) looked like it had more water. BUT – Based upon the pantry, I’m guessing the fridge was about empty, too, eh?
I agree that the home was very impersonal and poorly decorated. These psyop directors need to get some decent stylists on the payroll if they want people to accept their swill in the future.
The lady from Tulsa who called Vance and asked who cleaned up the blood in the school apparently asked a bunch of media outlets why weren’t any of the grieving parents holding tissues during any of the interviews. Later, she noticed a box of kleenex prominently displayed in one of the stories. Too little, too late.
Did anybody find the Ryan Lanza ID that caused the police to identify Adam as Ryan all day long?
Also the 911 call that sounded like “there’s a rumor it’s fake” appears to be a call from Sibley or another parent outside the building and the dispatcher asks “is there a room where it’s safe”.
Apparently Natalie Hammond said that she did not know who the shooter was also.
If you look through the hundreds of pictures, and get to the one’s pertaining to Nancy’s “to do list”, you will notice that on 12-19-12 she scheduled herself “to clean Ryan’s room.”
Since it is likely that Nancy, Adam, even Ryan are fake, the date would have a significance for a mother getting ready for Christmas. It is not to say that Nancy exists, but if she did, then she would be readying her son’s room for a holiday visit (mothers typically look on their children’s former rooms as the ones they’ll be put in during holidays). I think this little touch indicates the fiction writer of the family scenario may be a woman, perhaps one with grown children who return home for holidays.
P.S. With a large house like that and the money Nancy allegedly had coming in as alimony, the idea that maids did not show up regularly in their maid van is just impossible. Without a team going over a place like that regularly, it will soon look terrible, absent Nancy’s really putting her shoulder to it and cleaning it just as regularly. Therefore someone (plural probably) has to have been visiting that house on a regular basis and going inside to clean. If there is no record of that, then the story is less plausible. But in 2 dimensions, nobody notices the plot holes.
Exactly…besides, we all know that Nancy spent all her free time at the local (but nonexistent) shooting range! She would have had no time for tidying up the house. 🙂
Yes Mary, except when she was jetting off to other countries or running up to the, very swank, resort to visit with her CFR pals.
The very first thing I noticed is the first three reports I looked at, signed and approved in June of 2013, had a “report date” of 01/03/2012. No one caught that? On three forms…good work. Makes me want to trust their credibility.
That IS interesting. Back in the day (it seems like YEARS!), when I was still trying to sort all this out, I wondered how it was that they could all be reporting that “Adam” shot his mom while the “report” was still pending.
I don’t live in Connecticut but, I assume it follows somewhat normal protocols. Just like M.D.’s pronounce people dead, judges pronounce guilt.
Beyond that, I don’t remember seeing any explanation for why this “report” was necessary. With such a “slam dunk” case, what could possibly take so long? They kept describing this as “complex”. How so?
If you do a comparison to some of the other events in the past, where murders occurred, and look at how “the press” handled those, these recent ones are a total anomaly. Sophia’s “two dimensional” description is apt. No digging, no controversy, just “approved” interviews.
When I consider how easily this has happened it is alarming. Of course they said the same thing about Hitler’s Germany and Stalin’s USSR. “How could otherwise intelligent people fall for this?”. Well, it looks like we have our answer.
Thinking along the “dimension” line, and having just learned about the new “boy” group, 1 dimension, it made me look up one-dimension and wonder if that’s an even better description of the story line and characters in the hoax plots. They made a new word for it, too, uni-dimensional. I’m not sure if you’re supposed to hyphenate it or not.
I worry more about the stuff that is unreal than what is real anymore. If an event like this happened where I live, and it was easily determined to be fake, I would move immediately. On the other hand, if an event like this is clearly real and even 60 percent verifiable, I would stay put and be somewhat relieved. In real school shootings, which are rare in themselves and 99.99 percent of the time happen at a high school, and 1 percent of the time happen at middle school, there are at most 5 casualties, with 1-3 dead and no more than 5 minor injuries. These are all done 100 percent by people who are somewhat in shape, i.e. athletes, kids who actually can drive a car, kids who can actually climb stairs and walk at least a mile.
In this scenario, they literally showed a picture that resembles “Charlie Brown”, closer to truth than made up, who proceeds to shoot up an elementary school Rambo style. How anyone over the age of four could believe this story is downright frightening.
Do you think there’s a chance that those who blindly accept this as a truth and won’t even listen to anyone who says it’s a fake are already in some way mind controlled? I haven’t spent time looking into “education”, at least with respect to programming, but I have heard that methods are/have been engaged in public schools that supposedly change the normal function and way of perceiving things. And as it has been mentioned here before, the good old TEE VEE might be doing more programming than one could ever imagine.
On the side, I am curious as to the tv watching habits of everyone here.
I stopped watching tv years ago.
I watch about 7 hours of tv daily, although I am doing other stuff in my home office when it is on, such as browsing the internet, or jogging on my treadmill. I do watch MSM, mostly for entertainment as I know over 50 percent of the material is made up, I watch movies, mostly independent films on netflix, and I do watch pro sports such as baseball and football, while exercising/working out. I am a part-time accountant and work from home.
I don’t watch TV almost at all. The news is all fake, and the rest is just crap. I used to be into movies but most of what Hollywood spits out expresses hatred of whites, and by that I mean the anglo celt people. I pointed this out to a friend who isn’t from that ethnic group and he sees it in the casting all the time now.
One problem with not watching is that it becomes harder to understand the huge numbers of people who still do.
Amen to you Sue! I identify with your frame of mind. Imagine the impact if we all handed in our cable TV boxes! What is so hard about that!
Violeta, my opinion is that fear is at the root of it. We talked about “Operation Gladio”. The primary purpose of that is to instill as generalized fear. It’s an undifferentiated anxiety.
Most people have fears at one level or another. Most would rather their fears just “go away” than that they face them. This is a necessity for those who wish to control. A fearful person doesn’t think clearly.
If they are frightened enough, they see those who try to get their attention as threats. Internally they’re thinking, “if the bosses find out I’ll be in trouble”. Even if they suspect something’s wrong, they don’t want anybody to talk about it.
Those who use these events understand this very well. They want submission and they know how to get it.
Violeta, just one more thing. We know that we’ve been lied to. This sort of stands things on their head. Now we can’t believe ANYTHING they say unless there’s proof. That is just common sense. It isn’t “our fault”, like we have some sort of obligation to believe.
This is backward of what we’ve all been programmed to do. When they talk about these “characters”, like Nancy or “Adam” or any of the others, it is no longer enough to just say they exist. Documents can be forged. I need to hear from people who actually knew them that are believable.
All of these events are somewhat different. They don’t have to be “all or nothing” affairs. Some of them have actual facts interspersed with lies and are spun in support of an agenda. In this one, the whole thing appears to be fake. I don’t think its the only one like that. But, we should be aware that all hoaxes aren’t created equal and having factual information in them doesn’t make them any less of a hoax.
So, one could range from having some event actually happen and hyping it to death, to having nothing happen and totally inventing a story. Some could be something in between.
To me the first tip off is when the MSM instantly start describing things and embellishing them beyond what they could possibly know. They arrive “fully formed”. This had all of that and MORE. But, at the heart of it we are asked to just “believe” that all the characters are who they say they are and things happened just as described.
That’s an interesting perspective John. When you think about it, even if it were “real”, what would be the odds on it happening again. Like you say, how many times has it happened in the past?
While these things get a lot of air time, and may be on the increase due to psychotropic drugs and the copy cat syndrome, they still are pretty rare. There are certainly more innocent victims of cop shootings than this.
This is the way it always plays out. Something happens, then there is a demand that somebody “do something”. That’s all they need.
You should be scared Jon if you’re a white male as these hoaxes are designed to dispossess you of your most basic rights and to demonized you. White to me means European not Jewish. Black gun violence kills thousands and thousands more people but the govern media wants to vilify and disarm Europeanen and people.
I agree Lophatt, why did this report it take so long, they said it was a lone gunman at the outset, they had it all sussed.. it is alarming, how so many people just said.. ”yes”.. this is how it must have happened.. Even though things didn’t fit..absurd parents…inadequate professional statements, all these follow up reports are just fillers of Hot air..It strikes me it’s so amazing that people take it all in as the truth.. I think the state police are playing the game of the longer you leave things.. the more you forget.. It doesn’t always work!
Poppy, well, yes, there is no logic in it. Of course it sends a message. “We’ll do what we will”. I remember a time when people would get outraged if government tried to treat them like subjects. Now they readily accept anything “their” government does.
When a public official says “we’ve decided not to allow you to see public records”, where’s the outrage? Who are “they”? Who do those records belong to?
Just as an example, cops have always hated their relationship with journalists. They knew, however, that they had to answer their questions because they were PUBLIC SERVANTS. Whatever happened, it wasn’t THEIR information. In order to withhold information they had to claim that it endangered a pending case.
Each one of these operations has had a slightly different focus. It is true that they fade from view pretty quickly. I think that they want to keep this one alive for a while at least until the drill is over. It isn’t over yet. Jerking the public around is part of this drill.
In a way they are reinforcing their control over the masses while rubbing our collective noses in it.
This one of the school exterior. We see at least two black sweatshirts near the “Lanza” car. Is Adam supposed to have been wearing both of them?
The gun in the trunk of the car. What is it? And doesn’t that trunk look spotlessly clean? Vacuumed, pristine. Like a brand new car or a very carefully manicured one.
And what is the liquid that seems to be running off several of the cars?
The “crime analysis photos” of the car look like they were taken at a local tire shop, instead of a police garage, lol!
The camera spends all this time panning outside a classroom, at night, going up and down one window, when there is nothing remarkable to be seen, either inside or out–mostly just glare off the glass.
This really IS a joke.
Agree, Dinophile…it is as if some people with no clue were asked to film this crap…film + still photos.
Hilary, Just looked again at the video, one thing that stands out to me apart from the filthy tiles. in the school, was the notice saying ” MEN” for the toilets.. The teaches surly have their own toilets ..are these supposed to be for 6 yr old boys? the long corridor in the so called school, seems to me far too long to fit into the size of the School itself.. I could be worng. any one else notice this?
I noticed the “MEN” sign also, good find. In the shortest 10 min. film is the most damning evidence that the school was recently painted, post haste. You will find numerous 5 gallon red and green industrial paint buckets dispersed throughout the room adjacent to the kitchen. In the freshly painted kitchen you will find a large, unopened bag of bagels. Finally, at the end of the 10 min video in the boiler room, you will find at least 20-40 of those red/green 5 gallon paint buckets stacked at the top of the stairs.
Good point. I’ve never seen in labeled as anything other then “boys’ and “girls” at any of the elementary and middle schools I’ve been in in recent years.
Great spot!! Leads one to think that this reaaaaaallllly old school building wasn’t actually in use. Who in their right minds would keep up signs that make it okay for men (staff or visitors) to use the same restrooms as little ones?
I did not notice the “MEN” sign, and now the vid is loading so slowly I can’t watch it. Maybe we should screen cap the relevant parts? The seemingly full-size basketball court, the inappropriate bathrooms etc.
Yes Hilary, a simple review of the top undisputable inconsistencies in the “official report” would be helpful in transmitting salient information to friends, family, neighbors and countrymen.
Just in time! We were running out of things to talk about:)
The building interior just does not look like an elementary school. It looks like a community hall or an office complex of some kind.
That is spot on, Hilary. The outside photos, videos are of an abandoned school. The interior photos resemble Chalk Hill Elementary School, also per the records defunct as a school, which according to wikipedia, is used as the community hall prior to 12-14-12. That would explain the basketball court with the new net, the clean playground equipment, etc. Photos and videos were taken at two locations.
Does anyone have photos of chalk hill?
Yes John, they could have shot that anywhere. Why would they not have the lights on or do it during the day? If you were doing an “investigation” there would be a complete photo record. Any board of inquest or a jury would see all of it.
Same goes for Nancy’s house. Why not turn the lights on? There would be shots of her, her position, etc. Why would the gun be lying in the middle of the floor? Some reports said she received four rounds from “a semi-automatic” to the face. That rifle isn’t a semi-automatic and how would they know?
There is a picture of a live .22 Long Rifle cartridge. What’s the significance of that? Why not show a spent one (or four)?
The decor and the cheap safe and hand-me-down guns would indicate that Nancy was either so “tight” she squeaked or not as prosperous as advertised. The plastic bags on the windows was a “stroke of genius”. We can visualize “Mad Adam”, hunkered down over his computer (not having an internet connection), thinking dark, unfathomable thoughts.
There were no lights on at the Lanza house, because the electricity was shut off over four years ago in this abandoned house. A public utility record for 36 Yoganda street would reveal that detail. The producers of this play were too cheap to pay for the electricity to be reinstated in this prop.
Wow, I had not seen that. The electricity had been shut off for four years at 36 Yogananda?
That means the perpetrators did not have a plant in the utilities office or were unable to alter the records online. Obviously this house was not lived in.
What about water supply to the house?
The lights were on in the house in the video report. It was pitch black outside but the lights were on inside of the house, at least in the rooms that I watched.
Well that tells a story. why do the main stream media not follow up on this..it’s an obvious error on their part.
John how did you find out that the electricity was shut off over four years ago..? Ive had a quick looked but can’t find anything.. This could be a huge finding if true..
Assuming no electrical power for four years, the domestic water and any hydronic heat pipes would have been drained to prevent freezing/bursting. Of course the water main (in the house or at the street) would have been turned off.
Poppylavender, I saw the lights off in the pictures and videos. The only lights on in the house are the ones provided by the cameramen. There is light during the filming and photographs, but no lights are on that are either overhead or decorative lamps plugged in. That indicates no electricity, except what is brought in to the house by the film crew/photographers. Anyone who can do a records search can validate when the lights were turned off for 36 Yolanda Drive. The police reports indicate no internet service hooked up…. I am sure that a record search for water, internet, cable tv, electricity, natural gas would be quite revealing….
There are no flat screen tvs in the Lanza house, save for the lone computer monitor shown in the basement. Sort of like Osama Bin Laden watching himself on an old bubble screen tv that looks like it was retrieved from the dumpster of a Motel 6. The furniture looks pretty crappy, even if it were in a shack, let alone in a McMansion such as “The Lanza Home.” Lol!
Wow, that’s the first I’ve heard of that. No wonder there was so much activity at the neighbors. Wouldn’t want to get anybody injured bumping around in the dark.
John you could be right, I hope someone can search utilities see what it throws up..if police reports indicate no internet service hooked up theres a starter.. why would it not still be on if someone had been living there..The decoration of the house looked to me dated.. for some one living quite well off.. everything looked oldfashioned.
Does this baskeball court look like something used by elementary school kids? Are those hoops an appropriate height for children of this age range?
What gets me is the picture of the devil at 1:46 plain as day. This is an elementary school basketball court, used by grades 4-8.
I agree – the devil in the gym is super creepy and those basketball nets are set way to high for an elementary school. The classrooms, office, cafeteria and storage rooms are all such a disorganized mess. How could anyone work or feel comfortable in this awful place? The person taking the video is spending too much time on bathroom shots…why? Trying to show they’re in use? That someone filled up the basket w/ hand wipes (paper towels)? Just a weird use of video time in so many spots. Some angles seem to feel as though the videographer doesn’t want us to read anything (info on boxes, papers posted on the walls / bulletin boards). Just weird shots…
The sinks in the bathrooms look to high for elementary kids also. Giant urinals in the boys.
Is this really supposed to be the interior of SHES? Talk about old and outdated…it looks like a school from the 1970s. If this was a functioning school, it would have been remodeled and updated occasionally, and it sure wouldn’t look like this dump! It looks like a school that is stuck in some kind of time warp.
Why in the world would there be a picture of a devil in the gym? Can anyone explain that at all?
I couldn’t watch for very long…the video guy kept filming in circles and I got dizzy. 🙂
The interior sure does not fit the exterior. The exterior is in horrible condition, and the interior is much, much cleaner than the exterior. With that being said, the boiler room, although the pipes are covered in asbestos, it is in good condition, besides being cluttered beyond any OSHA standards. The inside is not the same place as the outside.
I always thought the condition of the asphalt in the SHES parking lot was telling for sure. A fancy neighborhood destination school would have an intact blacktop—people mention the color of the handicap parking space being wrong. The whole lot is a disaster.
Just watched the video of the school… first impression, would you like your child to attend this school..?.. Did they have regular cleaners?.. tiles throught the corridors were dirty, especially near the floor.. I know for Health and safety reasons this would not be acceptable. The toilets not suitable for 6 yr olds.. painted half way up the wall to camiflage the walls.. looked as if it had been done recently.. where were the xmas decorations?.. surely somewhere in the classrooms some mention it was xmas… and I am yet to see a chair suitable for a 6 yr old.. Ive worked in many kitchens and know that ‘Cherio’s ‘ would not be kept on an open shelved unit along with other packets of food alongside garbage bins.. totally against hygiene rules.. A freezer door left open?.. even in emergency’s it would be closed.. I would like to know who the cook was..This school looked like it was 1970’s style with all the tiles and polystyrene roof tiles.. I would not like to think this is a typical looking primary school in US.. please tell me I am right..The only thing that looked as if it had been used were the offices.. probably they were. but for something other than a School.
It is not typical for a school within a district where the majority of families are wealthy. The parents would have never tolerated the school being in that kind of condition.
Yeah, the official tale is that this was a highly sought after school. Parents came from as far as Manhattan and commuted to work just so their little darlings could attend this.
It’s further evidence that a large part of this experiment was to see how openly they could laugh at us at this point in our social conditioning.
Patrick, My observations are that the puppeteers are indeed laughing at how low the bar can be to satisfy the psyops and more importantly the lack of public challenge to the obvious deceit. Our comments are likely being monitored to see if we detect the details of their cynical content. Also, consider that the proper investigative Connecticut State Police resources may not have been available or may have refused participation in this “Investigation Report” . This would explain the amateurish content. When the “drill” escalated into mass deception, some law enforcement professionals may have decided (we can only hope) not to be coopted and corrupted. If such professionals exist please add to this discussion.
Patrick, that’s right. Does it make sense to move from Manhattan to this burg because the school is so “highly regarded”? Are there no “highly regarded” schools in New York?
Look at the place. These actors are so rich they don’t get crabs, they get lobsters. The tale doesn’t match the facts on the ground.
FV, that’s an interesting thought. That could account for the problems with the stupid radio transcripts. I ascribed that to volunteers playing roles in a drill. That’s also what I thought about the EMT’s who would just sit and wait.
During the Aurora drill the radio transmissions were “professional” and there were real cops playing. There were problems, (caused by the change of frequency and out-of-area cops not knowing they were trying to respond to a drill), but, overall, they were believable.
Virtually every protocol was violated on this. Who would bring a mobile morgue to a crime scene? My guess is because FEMA has one.
Lophatt, where can I find more on the drill aspect of Aurora?
And another thing – at Columbine they also left the victims in the school building for far longer than accetable, just like SH, or am I misinformed?
Theresa, I’ll look through my files. The “Columbine” one was a little different. They were in there a long time because the cops didn’t rush the building.
The Aurora one is much simpler than the SHE production. The Columbine one has a lot of background stuff in it. There was much more going on there than we’ll ever know. It follows the pattern, however, but the media circus was somewhat differently oriented.
I second violeta’s post. I still think, with only superficial knowledge of it, that Aurora was real at least in that someone did murder moviegoers. How many, who did it, etc. is unclear. But as of now I think it wasn’t purely a drill/hoax.
Posters on here IMO underestimate the importance of the narrative which Alex Teves’ father seriously undermines. Alex’ girlfriend came across as very believable too, as I’ve said before, unlike all the idiots in this drama, even the ones who do a so so job.
Oops I meant Theresa’s post, so many comments under one column I can’t keep full track…
Columbine certainly also could have been prevented if one believes the official storyline, which should give pause to wonder how authentic the surrounding details and context were to begin with.
Sue and Theresa, I agree that we should be careful with these things. I’ve gotten into arguments on this before. EVERYTHING doesn’t have to be false to have a hoax, and the people who perpetrate hoaxes don’t have any compunction about killing.
Maybe what’s needed is a new terminology. In the Aurora one I’ve seen compelling evidence both ways. I certainly don’t believe that it happened as described and I do believe it was another drill. Whether anyone was killed or not is hard to determine (at least for me).
There are a LOT of problems with that story as well.
The Columbine one certainly had deaths. That doesn’t mean it wasn’t an event done for a hidden purpose. The relationships between the investigators, other students and some other shadowy figures is indeed suspicious. It all points to some older people directing the players to do this. It is also pretty apparent that some authorities were aware of this.
Aurora is very weird on many levels. The theater aspect, both inside and outside, is all screwy, but what really interests me is the apartment.
I have not read anywhere a thoughtful explanation of why it was so creatively booby trapped. We are told that there were lots of highly sophisticated explosive traps, with tripwires criss crossing each other, and that it was very hard for the bomb squad to deal with. I remember seeing a photograph of a cherry picker outside the window, which was supposedly the only way the cops could enter without getting blown up–something like that.
Now, I don’t believe Holmes did anything at all, but let’s take the official story at face value: how did the police know about all the booby traps? The suspect would have had to have told them, after he was taken into custody. Why would he do that? Isn’t that the point of setting up all those explosive traps to kill the cops if he was caught? If he goes to the trouble of turning his apartment into a rube goldberg device for making it absolutely certain that anyone entering will be turned into cherry pie–and has just gone all Rambo on a theater full of movie-goers–I find it unlikely that he’d feel suddenly feel bad about setting up the police for the same treatment, and apologize, warn them, and explaining the whole thing because he is concerned for their safety.
Maybe it’s just me, but that is really weird.
Supposedly, as the story goes, Holmes (Aurora) told the FBI how to diffuse the trap but they (the supposed professionals) got the info via questioning him without the presence of his attorney so that all has to get thrown out of court…how convenient! So…this extremely intricate military-style trap was set up by this nut job and anything connected to it has to be buried. Very convenient indeed. It sure diverted attention from the theater scene, though and for quite a while.
Patrick –here’s the link to Aurora bomb evidence info: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/17/james-holmes-bombs-apartment-aurora-police_n_4116828.html
How do we know there were booby(sp?) traps? Because they said so?
I would love to find a place where the discussion of those 2 atrocities are on the same level as here.
Patrick, I agree with you about the booby trap aspect of Aurora. He went through all that trouble only to confess to police the moment they caught him? It does not add up.
I saved quite a few bookmarks on Aurora. I’ll look for them.
Patrick, Beth is correct. The story is that Holmes told them about the booby trap. I too think it’s a diversion. There are pictures of them busting right through the front door with a pole. That’s a rather crude technique to use against a “high-tech” device.
In addition, they said he had two roommates. I don’t know what happened to them. If I had to guess, based on what little I know, I’d say there was no bomb. There would certainly have to be more than one involved.
Whoever this guy is, he looks like a patsy to me. How his eyes got from brown to hazel is another mystery. It’s pretty easy to dye your hair, not your eyes.
Releasing this a whole year after the incident, er…non-incident, is a good way to keep people in the fearful state….lest they should forget.
There’s people out there making money off the fear it engenders. There is at least one “security” agency that goes around to schools or anyone interested and makes their buildings “secure”. When they give their presentation they use videos of Sandy Hook and other school shootings to make sure that you really want their help.
Noticed a couple of things in the cluttered yet newly furnished home of Nancy Lanza (which would be filthy unless gone over by maids once a weeks). The sitting room with white chairs and loveseat has a bag next to it from Bed Bath and Beyond. It probably has the leftover pillows and throws from what they put on the pristine white furniture.
In the closet of the entry, with all the jackets and puffy vests, there are several pairs of high heels, such as what you would find in a bedroom. However if she is suffering from multiple sclerosis, she isn’t wearing something she can slip in. People with MS wear flats and other sturdy shoes.
There’s a closet with one visible store bag. That store is the same one Mrs. Tsarnaev (mother of 2 terrorists, ha-ha) shoplifted from in Boston, and which recorded the movements of the wicked Chechens. Mrs. Tsarnaev gets deported, I believe, on the say so of Lord and Taylor security. So it’s kind of a cute shout-out to them that Nancy Lanza shops there too. What a small world!
At 6:42 of the Lanza Home video, the camera clearly focuses on some junk mail addressed to:
36 Yoganda Street
Sandy Hook, CT 06482
Is the proper address “Sandy Hook, CT” or should it say “Newtown, CT”?
A very viable lead is the USPS package, addressed to Nancy, with a tracking bar. If anyone with a very large screen and good eyesight can get the numbers and actually do the tracking….it would be interesting to note the date of delivery. They certainly didn’t redact the names and phone numbers on the yellow post it note that appear on the at&t phone bill, lol!
We (family who watched) found it interesting that there was such an intent in the video to “prove” Nancy was getting mail at that address. Why? The house was registered in the owner’s name as a homestead and she supposedly lived there – so why the concern to show so much mail? But then again, they felt a need to lift toilet seats…
where can I find a ‘ link’ to see the Lanza’a home video, Ive only seen one or two pictures. Thanks
Popplavender, the scene video 36 Yogananda St. should be linked in the above article. It is the 35 min. video.
Even if addressed wrong – would likely still be delivered without issue. Happens in this area all of the time – yet senders are supposed to use the town where our post office is located.
Beth, one of the junk mailings was a valu-pack, full of coupons, etc. I have moved a three times over the past decade. Isn’t it customary to receive the valu-pack mailing for NEW residents? I remember receiving them within a month after moving to a new residence, and then the mailing stops.
Could be in some areas. We would get them for years after we moved in. But, if the Valuepack was address of “off” (not using proper postal town name), that would be interesting…as they’d be once place that would likely get it right.
I get the Valu Pak all the time, though I am a long-term resident. It’s not like Welcome Wagon, if they still have that.
We are all looking for the “smoking gun” here, even though we all know that the whole event was completely staged. As long as we keep looking, we are bound to find something of extreme significance, TPTB are good at what they do, but they are far from perfect.
John, I agree. They’ve spent a lot of time polishing the presentation of “evidence” so as to make sure very little can be seized upon to give them away. It’s a circumstantial case, isn’t it? There’s a totality of the evidence which convicts. That’s why it is so effective with a public who has already absorbed their “money shots” at various scenes, and must surrender their emotional attachment to them in order to take in a fuller picture. In a way, the perps have a good defense attorney working for them to keep the jury wondering and offering their own explanations to exonerate illegitimate power that has already taken society in a firm grip. And I don’t mean Obama, who is simply the successor to the prior administration which pulled off 9/11 and perhaps LBJ who pulled off a few other things… It’s a rich tradition of criminals.
Why Inspector Poirot, that is most impressive! I guess you could say that “Nancy” received the “ultimate deportation”.
Perhaps they ran out of daylight after working all day importing this stuff. These things have a tendency to bring out the detective in us.
I know that when someone did a video of “Veronique’s” house (after she blew town), there was a dumpster in the driveway. I wanted to leap through the screen and start “dumpster diving”.
Why does this require a report? If I’m not mistaken, they’ve started having anniversary revisits of this event?? It doesn’t need to be revisited once a year! Or have a Candle light processions or a memorials! It needs to be put to rest, and allow the Families who were involed space and time to grieve.!! Rehatching of this subject only continues to cause pain to those involved, Can anyone say with any certainty why this event occured! Since the only person who knew, also died. Then it’s all pretty much speculation and a hugh report to cover that seems meaningless! My condolences to those who loss someone in this tragedy. May you be able to find peace!!!
I hope that this replays itself every single month, under the exact same scenarios as depicted in this govt fairy tale, until Mr. and Mrs. Sheep finally wake up!
All crimes whether real or fake, require police reports. It is unfortunate they took over a year to provide a mostly redacted report with ridiculous videos of doorknobs and toilets, which confirms to those of us visiting and commenting on this site that this hoax was designed to raise money, take away our civil liberties, and stoke fear, compliance and divisiveness in our great nation. Professor Tracy allows the occasional non-believer of the massive corruption to comment, although I suspect many thousands do try. In case you missed it, the parents just held a press conference asking for privacy and announcing their new website that is soliciting donations to 33 different charities. If they really wanted privacy, they would not be jet setting across the country rehashing their sad stories in the guise of gun control. Wonder where they get all that money for travel and why are they still soliciting for donations? http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7kgfiL9SaAEAH.lXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEzM2RqMDZzBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMwRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA1ZJUDM0M18x/SIG=12062811v/EXP=1388312735/**http%3a//www.youtube.com/watch%3fv=GHFIry_00K8
Well said Kathy
Exactly. Do we have any exact figures for how many of the families have been interviewed or made any contact with the public? I think it’s only a few but can’t recall seeing precise numbers.
And the reason they did the doorknobs and toilets is to frame the “redacted portions” which never existed in the first place, because nothing happened.
This morning Google news lists an article from the Christian Science Monitor: Connecticut guns owners scramble to register their guns.
What’s the report saying on how Adam supposedly breached the building security?
I assume there’s no mention of the fit he had been rumored to have had days or weeks before the ‘shooting.’ I immediately knew there was something wrong when he was said to have not only gotten in once without permission, but twice.
Yeah, the first time he was only successful in breaching the back door with the broken glass, where the sign is posted that says, “Contractor’s, please do not go thru the kitchen.”
I’m not catching your meaning. I’d think the official version of Adam’s alleged entry would be important for them to nail down. To effect the anti-gun sentiment, they have to convince people there’s no other way to prevent such incidents. Since schools have had locked doors since I guess not long after Columbine, the obvious question was, how did Adam get in? Instead of violating the sacred Constitution, any pragmatist would simply look to how society could contain such outbursts. I’ve written before that if Adam had gone to the school days before in a rage, that would have been at the least trespassing and likely a terroristic threat. So why didn’t the cops get notified…and why didn’t they do a ‘welfare check’ on the Lanza house to seize any guns, etc., as happens in domestic violence cases.
Simple easy measures could have been taken to prevent this. It also seemed odd to me that he was able to get in once let alone twice, like I just wrote.
Maybe they’re counting on people to be so emotionally overwhelmed that they stop thinking pragmatically and rationally. Kids dying would accomplish that.
So does the report even mention exactly how they claim Adam got in the building? I think last January they were saying he shot through the windows and unlocked the door.
I am of the opinion that this was staged. lophatt misunderstood a comment I made on the thread or two before. I get that a massacre didn’t happen, and that Adam and Nancy were probably not real people. Above I just pose questions that would follow if one were to accept the official version of events. The gaping holes in the logic I expose were what led me to this site, as at first I just thought this was allowed to happen and massaged in some way after. The actions of Adam, Nancy, the school, etc. don’t add up before, just like the actions of ‘the families’ don’t add up after either.
There were initial news reports that the shooter had an argument at the school the day before and that 3 of the 4 people in the argument were shot dead and that the survivor was home that day.
Subsequently Lt Vance denied that Lanza / the shooter had an argument the day before.
My concern is that they were parsing words. Perhaps the shooter was someone other than Lanza and perhaps that person had an argument.
Sue, I understood what you meant. Didn’t mean to sound critical.
I think you’re right in that they want people to be lead to make decisions that effectively make schools prisons. The idea is that there are hoard of crazy people out there just waiting to get to your little ones.
I suppose above that is the meme that the State owns your kids. They “know better” how to care and feed them. When my kids were little they went to some schools that were older than this one but they were infinitely better kept. By the time my youngest was in high school it had turned into a prison. I really can’t recall anything transpiring in the interim that would have necessitated that.
The pictures that were fabricated, and released one year later, indicate entry on 12-14-12 was thru the right of the front door. There was no video or photographic evidence of any broken glass from the helicopters on the morning of 12-14-12. The glass was broken much later, to fit with the narrative. I seriously doubt any of the films, pictures, etc. released in the report were taken anywhere near 12-14-12, even if they indicate December 12 dates. The filming was done much, much later, to fit the narrative, as people woke up by the millions. Remember, it was a rough winter last year in the northeast, and they had to wait for suitable weather to film and categorize this story.
So the windows in the pictures were shot through? What’s to say it would be so easy to reach in and just unlock the doors even if that were true…does the report show where the lock on the door was, or address the mechanics of how he allegedly reached in and opened the lock? It’s odd that they didn’t think to shoot through the door that day, knowing people would be looking at that exact detail as it’s so important.
I don’t recall seeing any broken glass at the front door in the initial pictures. Anybody could have just walked through the door with the sign for the contractors.
In all the reading on this they said that they locked the doors after a certain time in the morning. I’m thinking that was about 9:00 A.M..
They denied that Adam Lanza had an argument at the school the day before but did the “SHOOTER” have an argument the day before? The question to ask is who if anybody had an argument the day before? Was it Chris Manfredonia? Scott Vollmer? somebody else ? That is the question to ask.
Was it Chris Rodia? Afterall, it was his car that was parked in the front of the school with doors open and two jackets thrown on the ground.
I thought it was resolved that the car belonged to Nancy Lanza and thus dispelled the whole Chris Rodia theory ?
Apparently there is a family connection between Rodia and Lanza and Rodia had ties to a major firearms dealer.
Due to lack of any additional corroborating evidence Rodia dropped off my radar.
Who is ‘they?’ Are you referencing the ‘official report?’ What makes you think there was any confrontation that took place at all at the school/building?
I think it’s pretty clear at this stage no one had an argument or a fit. Because no real shooter was ever there.
The possibility being, taken from home by force – as the broken door jams might seem to suggest – brought Lanza to school…thus maybe the nurse did see a shooter in boots.
As I recall, the Chris Rodia thing was almost as entertaining as this. Seems he had a fetish for lawn blowers. Stole a bunch of them. Then he got busted for stealing copper with his mentally handicapped cousin.
Another family member was making full autos out of AR’s and selling the the Bloods and Crips. Isn’t there anybody “normal” there?
The last I heard they claimed it wasn’t Rodia’s car and was a snafu on the radio. Who knows? I kept waiting for somebody to run the plate.
I suppose it doesn’t make much difference since everybody there apparently drives black or silver Honda Civics.
I’m reviewing the final report. It takes hours to download each part, and so far, the majority of it is a blue screen that says “Content Redacted.” One hilarious part is the three hour shot of the woods from the parking lot area (looks to have been filmed from a police cruiser’s dashboard cam.) Nothing is happening, yet they redact portions of it.
No trace of any victims, only lots of empty rooms previously occupied by thirsty folks who left identical bottles of water all over the school, as well as at the Lanza home.
The front glass is shattered, but most of the glass debris is outside.
I’m still reviewing, but it is a lesson in patience and feels like an obscene waste of time.
I think it’s made to be SO long,take SO long to download that people (like us) will ultimately just give up and move on.Even if you do invest all your time in it,you see….nothing.
Agree with Sandy on the ridiculous nature of most of the photos – just weird stuff. Plus, some of the stills are listed as taken by a person via their cellphone (states this in the file name). I’m sorry but how is a cellphone a secure way to take pictures of a supposed crime scene????
Let’s just pretend for a few minutes that this was all real. The only reason for an investigation and, ultimately, a report, would be to get a judge to declare “Adam” as the killer.
This is a lot like a coroner’s inquest. Pictures of doorknobs, toilets, windows, etc., have no evidentiary value. Outside the hype, what would take a year and a ton of useless information to convict someone in this?
So, on one hand you have people saying “oh, don’t put those poor people through all this over and over again” while you have all this wild story telling accompanied by useless information. In essence, the one they would be trying to convince is the judge.
So, what would that look like? Well, you would need to place “Adam” at the scene of the crime. You would have to show that he, and only he, is responsible for both his mother and the kids demise. That would take showing that the weapons belonged to him, that he took them there, that he shot them and, ultimately, committed murder.
Does this resemble something like that? From the outset they have been declaring him responsible. Not “the alleged shooter”, “Adam”, by name. They declared him responsible for his mother’s death and even went so far as to tell exactly how he did it.
Now, with all the huffing and puffing of officialdom over “releasing information”, etc., doesn’t that sound a little suspicious? In a real case they would be carefully releasing information and asking the media to refrain from declaring anyone guilty until the proper time.
Your logic makes sense to me lophatt! Avoiding the “alleged” in history books further diminishes doubt and future inquiry. The case is now officially closed! We salute law enforcement! How frightening. No doubt a point that the Kennedy assassination team wishes could be different as the brass plaque in Daley Plaza clearly states- “alleged”. One of many details I pondered in person several weeks ago as I meandered and inspected the location of the Kennedy assassination.
Good for you, going for a walk around Dealey Plaza. I think taking the measure of a place can always allow one to think more clearly. As smallstorm put it, the two-dimensional nature of what we are told prevents us from taking in the way it all operates in three dimensions (and more). Once someone moves into that realm, an official story can break into pieces, the way the pristine bullet would have if it had been for real.
Musings, exactly so. FV has a good grasp on how our (and other’s) actions can haunt us.
I remember driving from Lexington Park MD. to D.C. one morning and how long it took at 60+ MPH as I passed Dr. Mudd’s house. I couldn’t help but imagine myself with a broken leg on horseback. Reading about something IS “two dimensional”.
I was thinking that there were so many reports of an altercation happening at SHook the day before the shooting. Police weren’t called then? I can only imagine that this was because it either a) ended very quickly and wasn’t much of a concern or more likely b) those involved in the altercation were known by staff.
The principal’s secretary (Joanne Didonato) called in sick the day of the shooting – apparently a very rare occurrence. She was said to have had a bad cold and was quiet under the weather but still managed to get up and out and in front of cameras for an interview. OK, maybe adrenaline helped.
I think the altercation the day prior is a moot event – but these days, who knows?
There was known serious conflict going on (at least one) in the school system and Ms. Didonato was known to have gone after the superintendent via an “email to voters”, per newspaper report below. That being said, perhaps the “known persons” involved in the altercation (the day prior) were school personnel themselves – and thus police were not called. Perhaps Ms. Didonato took that “extremely rare” sick day (and perhaps picked up that “bug” due to stress) because of the nasty altercation the day prior …likely she was involved in…based upon her prior efforts in calling out the superintendent.
I have to go back to the reports but I swore I’d read somewhere that one of the office personnel was a bit late that day – showing up just before the shooting. She was “let in” because the doors had just been locked. She supposedly let in someone behind her (per her statement). I’m sorry, I have to go back and get this staff person’s name. There is no mention of who that person was – but an office staff person is quite unlikely to hold the door open for the person behind them unless that person is known to them. Curiously, that person did not sign in at the front desk which is normal protocol. Perhaps it was just a staff person who was at work already and had just run out to their car to get something. But interesting the person let in was not named. If I were a cop, I’d want every single detail.
PLEASE check out this link: http://newtown.patch.com/groups/politics-and-elections/p/rumors-abound-regarding-pay-hikes-for-education-staff
Subsequent to the big “to-doo”, the superintendent was let go (contract was not to be renewed): http://www.newstimes.com/local/article/Newtown-superintendent-s-contract-won-t-be-3682625.php
How convenient that Lanza’s former shrink is “dug up” at the same time this report comes out: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2530989/Psychiatrist-treated-Adam-Lanza-surrendered-license-just-months-Newtown-massacre-living-New-Zealand.html
That is interesting, Beth. We see this over and over again. Many of the key players in this whole thing are in trouble, one way or another. It makes it easier to understand how they could possibly have been more easily manipulated into participating.
As a side note, it was interesting to read that the superintendent (Janet Robinson) testified that arming staff was not the way to protect students and called for gun bans…yet later requested that police be present all day long at school as the students did not feel safe (going out to recess, etc.). Hmmmm, can’t have it both ways, lady.
Beth, she’s just another “Statist”. With these types the state is glorious and all powerful. She would have no problem living under THEIR guns.
Someone has put together all (or most) of the evidence material into a single vid…
Thank you! For the soul that went thru all of that to get a single video: Bless them!
It still is beyond me how Lanza supposedly shot his way into the school yet the police video clearly shows us that 1) the glass is blown out, not in and 2) the furniture next to that blown out window is undisturbed.
In this official CT State police video at 4:09.50, you can CLEARLY see the 50 plus five gallon paint buckets that were used to recently paint this school, walls and tiles. They are the red and green five gallon buckets shown at the top of the stairs, in the loft of the boiler room.
The roof was whitewashed too and very poorly in spots. They probably could not safely stand in many spots and were hoping for snow to cover up the mess. How many white roofs have you seen in your life – this is the only one for me!
Roofs in Southern climates are typically light colored to reflect the heat, and darker in Northern climates to attract the heat of the sun.
I don’t understand why everyone is so upset with the report. The only things redacted were… well, everything that had any value at all in determining what supposedly happened at this alleged school that was in session.
Near the entrance, where there are three objects like bullet casings, is a set of three panels of cement which does not match the cement of the rest of the front. It is not yet fully cured, I imagine. When would it have been replaced? Not too long before the date when the film was made perhaps. But if the cement right in front of the school had been badly cracked in that place (next to a really scruffy little border evergreen that seems to have been neglected too), perhaps due to ice build-up over years in the adjacent dirt, then they would have had to replace it shortly before the filming in order to make a convincing appearance for a school entrance that looks pretty shabby anyway. Badly broken concrete would have given the game away. What do you make of it?
I see a very freshly painted school inside, like within 72 hours of this filming. Yes, it was cleaned up quite a bit for the millions of eyes that would be on it.
John, what do you make of the story that “they” (whoever they were) all got together and moved all the stuff from there to Chalk Hill? If they did that, why are we seeing ANYTHING there?
As you say, it was obviously recently painted. They would do that just to shoot crime scene photos (I mean “normally”). Then they single out that room with the ceramic tiles and put evidence markers up where they allege are “bullet holes”. There is a very recent chip in the concrete with an evidence marker there as well.
Beth is right about the window as well, not to mention that if he supposedly shot from the outside there would be bullet holes or marks in the opposite wall and the surrounding furniture.
In one of Brandon Hunt’s videos there was a construction sign around the back with a sign for the contractors to clean their boots or something. Given that, how would entry have been “controlled”.
In my neck of the woods it is not uncommon for old disused school buildings to be utilized for other purposes. Sometimes the Public Works Department or some other agency sets up shop in them. Sometimes they even lease parts of them out for private enterprises.
At 4:03.08, you can see exactly what this school looked like before the fresh coat of paint was applied….perhaps last painted in 1979…
Ha! So the “demolition contractors” who signed confidentiality agreements first came in and prettied up the site for the photography crew, and then demolished it. (Also, that way they get paid twice.)
Dino, yeah, that’s what I mean. What would the purpose be? They clearly said that they didn’t want the kids to have to go back there after the shooting. The story was that they all got together, painted Chalk Hill School and moved “all their belongings” over there.
So, why would there be anything there? Why would they paint? They were going to demolish the building. They said they were going to “grind up the remains”.
Now, maybe I’m missing something (I don’t get out much!), but has anybody ever heard anything like that before? Does any of that make any sense?
To answer, lophatt, I don’t think it was a functioning school, but I do think there was some type of building there that needed to be demolished long ago. That may not have been the locale where the photos were shot, of course (so the contractors may have “prettied up” some OTHER site before moving back to demolish this one).
But the point would be, as to this chapter of the story: money, money, money, for everyone, all free! No strings attached! You just have to keep quiet about what you know and the role you played.
Don’t you agree?
Very interesting about Chalk Middle School being a nonfunctional school, too.
That leaves St. Rose of Lima.
Dino, yes. I at least don’t think it was a fully-functioning school. What I’m trying to say is that “the story” doesn’t make sense. I realize that it’s just a story.
The “story” was that there were over 400 kids attending school there and, after the “shooting” volunteers got together, moved everything to Chalk Hill (after painting, etc.).
So, now we’re looking at SHE. Why would they repaint it? Why is there anything there (after supposedly moving it all to Chalk Hill)? Are they saying that they took the pictures BEFORE the move? If so, when did they paint?
Like the rest of it, the “official” version doesn’t wash. So, maybe some of it was shot at Chalk Hill (I don’t know). But they are presenting it as if it were SHE.
Money would certainly have to be involved. I mean who ever heard of swearing contractors to secrecy to demolish a building? That whole episode is worth a look in itself. The place is full of asbestos. They would have had to tarp the whole thing (at least to be legal). Oh, I forgot, only us mortals are subject to law.
I am reading a quote from Principal Dawn Hochsprung where she sent a letter home to parents (“Safety first at Sandy Hook….”) where she says, :
“Please understand that with nearly 700 students and over 1,000 parents representing 500 SHS families, most parents will be asked to show identification,” Hochsprung wrote, according to the newspaper.
To which, I add, how on earth did they evacuate almost 700 kids that quickly?
Another good point cynic! , Assuming a class size of 20 elementary students with 700 students we calculate 35 class rooms. According to recent recommendations from Montgomery County MD for an elementary school of 730 the school footprint is 59,215 square feet. How do those numbers compare to observations of the SHE structure?
In this report (please see link to district report) it shows a number for November 2012 as: 458
With this case, timing is everything. The paint was literally still wet when the filming and “crime scene photos” were taken. The timeframe for this event, of painting and filming by “the officials”, most likely took place between 11-27-12 (Eric Holder’s Meeting in Hartford) and all the way up until April 2013.
If someone is nearby to Newtown it would be interesting to peek in the windows of Chaulk Hill or similar facilities to spot the fresh paint seen in the alleged SHE video. Maybe matches of exterior building features that do not seem to sync with SHE will be apparent.
It would make sense to move the activities away from the SHE during these seeming synthesized activities.
FV, actually with the “No Child Left Behind” legislation, many classrooms are limited to no more than 25 per class, and many have below 20. Staffing also requires a special ed teacher, in addition to the regular teacher, in all non-honors classes. I know this information because I was a substitute teacher from 2005-2010.
Interesting, 458 students @ SHES as of 1/30/12, in a report that was typed up on 2/01/2013?
Thanks everybody, all good observations. I too heard the conflicting numbers over the year. It was as high as 700+ and as low as 400+, that’s why I used that figure. I can’t imagine even getting that many out under the circumstances without a photographic record.
We have teacher testimony of a kindergarten teacher saying she had 19 in her room and the cops lead them out and their parents picked them up. We have reports of them all going to the firehouse. We have video of a bunch of “extras” milling about in and out of doors with only one or two kids.
Do you think that parents in this circumstance would want to hang around a crime scene all day? Can you imagine telling a group of parents that their kid was dead in a pile in a school room and having them just stay behind the tape and deal with it?
Now, think back to the “renovation” of Chalk Hill School within a week of this event. It was coming up on Christmas. They didn’t want to send kids back there. Then they decided to move the school, lock, stock and barrel to Chalk Hill.
So, was the crime scene work complete? Were they in there tromping around? Who supervised this? Remember, there were cops posted 24/7 at the entrance to the road. Did they “teleport” this stuff?
How does a town of this size, with a lot of middle-aged residents of above average resources, acquire 400 or 700+ elementary aged students? Where did they come from? Where I grew up that became a problem for school districts over the years. As the neighborhoods grew older, so did the kids. They had lots of surplus elementary schools being used for other purposes.
Meanwhile, back at the “crime scene”, we have fresh paint, some office equipment, a few school items here and there. Adult sized bathrooms and some sort of construction that was ongoing at the time of the event.
I don’t know about Connecticut, but most states receive funding depending on enrollment and meticulous records are kept of both enrollment and attendance. These stats are public records. They may not provide the names and addresses, but the numbers are not subject to Privacy Act provisions.
So why is it so difficult to nail this down? By their own statements they have either over 370 or 670 kids unaccounted for. Are they at Chalk Hill, or aren’t they?
I lophatt – I’d posted a thread with a link to the number of students reported to the district as of 11/2012…I don’t see it as I scroll up – maybe it is still being moderated because I put a link to the report in the message. If my middle-aged brain recalls correctly but I think that report says there were 458 (?) total students. So, the principal goofed or a typo was not caught.
Lophatt, accounting for the children (458-20) = 438, they were most likely attending Chalk Hill School, which is the real Sandy Hook Elementary School at the time of this Drill. I doubt that any desks, books, etc. was moved from the decrepit building as shown in the drill. However, the video evidence clearly shows moving vans, perhaps transporting props into the freshly painted building, before the photography crew and film-makers went to work. I was the one who proposed many threads ago that they performed the ole switcheroo trick to make this stunt appear real.
OK John, NOW I get what you’re saying. I don’t know why that possibility didn’t dawn on me before. You’re saying that nobody went to SHE and that any students would actually have gone to Chalk Hill.
There’s a lot of sense in that. For some reason that never occurred to me. In a weird way that makes even more people complicit.
Beth, that leaves about 425 families who have yet to be interviewed.
That’s for sure– or at least interviews of families who had children in that section of the elementary school…supposedly.
Yes John I once painted over white tiles with a colour and it looked exactly like this, it might have been cleaned up but they couldn’t remove the bacteria in the grout between the tiles.. and also along the bottom of the walls in the corridoor – that was totally ingrained, an old unused place, toilets to big for juniors and ‘Men’ sign outside.. This school could not be used for young children for health and safety reasons.. The floor plan should fit this video.. something tells me it doesn’t..
Something is bothering me in the video -ok, a lot of things…but one at a time 🙂 If you look at what appears to be the media room / library at 1:30 and 31 seconds, it is a nice library for how crappy the rest of the school is. My first thought was, “Those poor kids must’ve loved to go there because their rooms from what is seen on the video are awful and many are big trash heaps.”
Now outside the window of this nice library- for a brief moment, I see a few reddish colored buildings – like auxiliary buildings. But it is not matching the floor plan of the school (see link) which shows a an interior media/library room that is supposed to look out on a courtyard and two small “book rooms”. The video doesn’t seen to match the investigators’ floor plan.
Good catch. The layout also does not match the Google maps depiction of the school, which has some rose-colored “annex” building or wing attached to it. (I am remembering this from Sandy Hook Truth postings.)
Did they release any surveillance footage of the shooter, or for that matter of anybody?
Okay, so there’s a contemporary situation which needs explaining. I googled Chalk Hill School and it looks like the “move” to it is fictional.
Chalk Hill Middle School was closed as such in 2011. It then was prepared for “Sandy Hill Elementary” children who apparently do not exist. Is there someone there now? Or is this another fake place? Maybe I haven’t read closely enough?
Is it possible that people were transferred in to the location now known as Chalk Hill (in Monroe, not Newtown, it turns out), and that if you polled them not a single one would have passed through from Sandy Hook? Is that how it worked, if it is a real school? Nobody there from the non-existent school, just a lot of phony sentiment about them?
Sorry for posting this in the middle of everything else. But sometimes we have to review basics, just like in elementary school.
By the way, take a look at the website for the Monroe, Ct. Public Schools where Chalk Hill is located. There are three elementary schools listed. None of them is Chalk Hill. monroeps.org/pages/monroeps
I feel really sorry for the good people of Monroe, Ct. The widening circle of having to play along with this is truly sinister.
Musings, this opens up another can of worms, if three elementary schools listed and none of them is Chalk Hill.. Can any one else throw a light on this..
Yeah, that’s what I remember. So, just so I understand you, you are thinking that they went to Chalk Hill (now named Sandy Hook) all along?
So Monroe should have a “Sandy Hook Elementary School” listed. Or, is it still in the Newtown District?
Chalk Hill since at least 1999-2000. Remember the evidence photo on Nancy Lanza’s desk with the program from SHES from 1999. Who leaves a pamphlet from 13 years ago prominently on their main desk? I am not sure were in the 1000s of photos, but it was also in the NY post photos also.
With regard to the Sandy Hook 1999 stepping up program pamphlet that apparently was photographed with a thank you note for volunteering at the school -the only image I saw has it sitting on an open box as if someone decided it was important to pull the stuff to show the connection…no matter how old.
That’s as much baloney as my fish wrapper landing on the doorstep this morning with a photo of the firefighter carrying the blonde bombshell out of the marathon bombing. Total disinfo crap which anyone can publish if they are working for some media company that wants them to. What I do not see is a real school website at Monroe which acknowledges their own district in which there is a school called Chalk Hill. No sir! You find it, you show me.
Exactly, Musings. You will not find a website for Chalk Hill because it does not exist. You will find a website for SHES because it does exist. They cannot lie about enrollment that vastly. The building in this Drill was clearly derelict. On 11-30-12 and on 12-13-12 the kids were going to a school called SHES, just not where depicted.
John, to be sure I have an inquiry into Bill Bittar, editor of the Patch in Monroe CT.
So amazing that the 43 year old Chalk Hill was supposedly closed in 2010 (1/2 of it was closed prior to that date) yet was made ready for its renaming and to re-house a population of transferring students in a matter of weeks. Wow, that is an amazing feat and imagine the monies spent!!!!!
Yet a story via the Monroe.patch.com says: “Prior to the tragedy in Sandy Hook, John Kimball, a developer in town, had offered to transform Chalk Hill into community center via a public/private partnership, but extensive work had to be done to upgrade the old building.”
A facilities director (Art Baker) for the district was quoted as saying: “But its big mechanical components are reaching the end of their useful life and the building could be approaching a major failure. The boilers, for example, are old and inefficient. Replacing them would save the district 4,000 to 6,000 gallons of heating oil a year. A lot of heat also escapes through the building’s outdated windows. The work needed to bring the building up to current standards would cost $15 million.”
So, wow. Interesting too how these workers had access to SHook School to take so many picsto replicate the decor in this short period. AH, WASN’T A BIG INVESTIGATION STILL GOING ON? From same story: “Workers have taken dozens of photos of the rooms at Sandy Hook and are duplicating the paint scheme, hanging up the same pictures and posters — in the same arrangement — and setting up the desks in the same way. He said if a student had crayons on her desk a certain way, they will be set up identically when he or she returns.”
Also – “As for a budget, Vavrek said Gov. Dannel P. Malloy has told him to spend what is needed.” Cell towers were even given waivers from usual regulatory requirements.
Thereafter, in 2013 CT senators are requesting federal monies $40-$50 million to rebuild Sandy Hook in its original location. Lots and lots of money involved in this sort of biz, eh?
Its states the ‘ Chalk Hill Building’ is now known as ‘Sandy Hook school.’. and has a plaque to say that…and comments below are from parents and well wishes complimenting the work done by parents and volunteers to get it ready in time for the children to start school again.. So Sandy Hook School is up and running not in Newtown but in Munroe.. Was this Chalk Hill just a building before 14 th Dec 2012 or was it a School called Chalk Hill… does any one know .
Kindly see my reply – will be below this. It was a school (Chalk) but was closed down in 2010 (1/2 was shut down prior to official “hibernation”). For a time, some local public offices used the building, too.
John, I understand the theory. I’m just saying that “ACCORDING TO THE STORY”, they moved and renamed the school. There’s a newspaper article to that effect.
So, that would mean it either now is in the Monroe District or in the Newtown District, or neither. If the answer is “neither” it is an obvious bust.
If, on the other hand, their “story” is correct, the former Chalk Hill School should have a record of an increase in enrollment approximately equal to what they said was at SHE. I think they would have to have records in order to collect funding.
If they have neither it is pretty obvious.
Can chalk hill be listed on the Newtown website despite of the building being located in Monroe? The chalk hill school is not very large as seen through google earth…
Personally I think the whole thing is a lie. All I’m getting at is it is a relatively easy lie to prove.
Chalk Hill School was in the Monroe School District. Sandy Hook was in the Newtown School District. I looked at the test scores for both schools since the 03-04 school year. (pdf files). Sandy Hook had 271 – 3rd and 4th graders take the test for the 08-09 year. I think that it would be hard to falsify all those test results for all those years. I didn’t look at the current test scores, however.
Conveniently, due to slowing enrollment, Chalk Hill closed for the ’11-12 school year, thereby making it available for the Sandy Hook students. I am a bit surprised that they allowed the kids to go to a new school district. In the town that I live in, one of the schools was flooded and closed, and the kids went to school in the old Wal-Mart building, until they could build a new school.
Published 6:11 pm, Saturday, December 11, 2010
MONROE — Monroe Schools Superintendent Colleen Palmer is proposing to close Chalk Hill Middle School for a year, a move designed to restrain the district’s budget increases.
Enrollment at the school is declining faster than expected, Palmer said. She intends to propose “hibernating” the school for a year — heating it to just above freezing and keeping the ventilation going — so the school or town could use the building in the near future.
Musings, I’d have to go back through my files (and I will), but I remember them saying that they packed the whole kit and caboodle up and moved to Chalk Hill. They may have renamed it, I don’t know.
Of course, NONE of that may have happened. But, that’s what they said. There was a newspaper piece on it where “volunteers” had repainted Chalk Hill and all of the kids possessions had been moved there to make them “feel at home”, etc..
There were pictures of moving vans. Like everything else in this it is full of holes.
Since we have come up with the likelihood that not only were no students killed at SHES, it is unlikely that any other students ever attended that place.
I’ve just reviewed the pictures of the leveled Sandy Hook Elementary and its footprint looks far too small to have housed hundreds of students.
Thus, a fictional school is not going to send its students anywhere.
The fictional move to another fictional school (a closed middle school called Chalk Hill, located in Monroe), which does not show up on a list of extant schools, is entirely consistent with the model we have developed here.
I therefore conclude that the story about Chalk Hill as receiving the surviving students of Sandy Hook is also bogus, since those students have been shown not to exist.
The “teachers” who sheltered surviving students were part of the acting troupe.
You make the point that Chalk Hill might have been renamed. I would not let it go at that. I have looked at each of the websites for those other schools. They are consistent in appearance with high class schools in an upper middle class enclave. They do not look provisional or thrown together like Chalk Hill was said to be.
See how two dimensional stories fall apart when exposed to sunlight? It’s like walking out of the multiplex and finding out that it is still daytime.
Let’s make hay while the sun shines.
Here’s a link to an article stating that they were trying to recreate Sandy Hook for the kids:
Vavrek said workers have taken dozens of photos of the rooms at Sandy Hook and are duplicating the paint scheme, hanging up the same pictures and posters — in the same arrangement — and setting up the desks in the same way. He said if a student had crayons on her desk a certain way, they will be set up identically when he or she returns.
Yes, the students went to the same location whether it was 11-30-12, 12-13-12, or 01-04-13 and it was business as usual. The sandy hook website indicates an operating school called SHES. Chalk Hill does not.
John, the editor of the Patch in Monroe, Bill Bittnar just stated in an email to me that Chaulk Hill School is located at 375 Fan Hill Road. Happy New Year!
Thanks FV, happy new year to you also. I doubt we will get the truth, some facts yes, but not the truth from anyone local in CT
Untruths are a valuable clue….if additional questions need to be posed to this local then send over the questions and I will email Bill Bittnar- Monroe Patch editor.
Yes, please ask Bill exactly how many students are currently enrolled at the School at 375 Fan Hill Rd. We know from the official spreadsheet as of 11-30-12 there were 458 students at SHES. Subtract 20 from 12-14-12, that would leave 438 students. One of the publications quoting Ms. Robinson, states that over 500 students were moved over to Chalk Hill School, aka SHES as of 01-04-13. That is a discrepancy in itself of 500-438 = 62 additional students that suddenly moved into the area??? WTH???
Hi John, I’m wondering if the additional students are those who some of those who were originally displaced when the Chalk school closed in 2010.
I would like to know why 700 students were reported at SHook by the superintendent (commenting on security)…unless it was a typo and the newsletter editor didn’t catch what was perhaps to have been “nearly 500” students.
Does the police footage of SH look like the photos at archive.org?
Thanks for the link. I was searching my files for it. I thought the whole thing sounded suspicious when I first read it. Why would you go to the trouble to “recreate” SHE? The kids would obviously know that they were going to a different school (at least according to the story).
Beth’s remarks about a “public/private venture (PPV)” are interesting. Normally, in PPV’s, the “private” party gets ownership and is responsible for any upgrades, repairs, etc.. $15M is a lot of repairs. I doubt that a school of that age is even worth that. How would the governor authorize someone to “spend what they needed”?
I mentioned the timing (as did Beth) earlier. This happened very soon after the event. These “hundreds of workers” would be tromping through a crime scene to bring items over to the new school.
To me that means (a) either there are no 400+ (500+ or 700+ [you choose]) kids or (2) John’s theory is right and they were already there and nobody went anywhere. In that case there should be records.
Musings comments are also well taken. As strange as it may sound, most school districts are jealous of their holdings. I suppose it could be arranged but it would take some doing. This leads me back to my earlier remarks that school districts get paid so much per head. If the kids were somewhere they would be worth so much “on the hoof”. If they didn’t collect it someone could ask why. If they did, and they didn’t exist, that’s fraud.
Staying on the subject of moving the S/H children over to the School Chaulk Hill, they advertised it a lot, TV, newspapers etc from the look of it…, why did no one in the area question anything, has any of the children been interviewed about their move and how they have settled in.. if so they would have to have a ‘ staged’ family to back this up..or a few ‘ staged’ families.. the ‘ original families’ that were interviewed any media followed up on them?.. its really got me thinking, as lophat says where are the records and do they add up… Newtown School district would be loosing out although I am not sure if Newtown and Munroe are classed together.
In the case of an emergency move of a school location outside of the district, I’m certain the school district engaged legal counsel to ensure they would not lose funding, etc. I can only assume this after having been involved in school business in a recent past life. The state probably bent a lot of rules but that’s what they do anyway…
A very simple test that we can have someone do is to take a ride down Fan Hill Road, and legally observe the 20 mph speed limit signs M-F at either 8-10am or 2-4pm and see if there is even school bus activity in that area. That would answer both points.
John and all, I just called and spoke with the Supt of the Monroe CT Schools- James Augustine and asked him how many kids came over last year from Sandy Hook. He said about 400. When asked how these kids were “healing from their ordeal”, he said that he really stays out of direct contact with the situation and that I should talk to their Newtown District principal- Kathy Gombos. Asked how long the SHES students are expected be on his Fan Hill Road campus, he said a year and half to two years. Where would they go then? “They would go back to a new school being built on the site of the current demolition” When asked what would happen to their current facility that would be re-vacated, he said he didn’t know and started talking about the falling enrollment projections and pending uncertainties out to 2022.
“Would Kathy give me 5 minutes for a few questions?” “Well, they try to limit the exposure….understandably…..try calling into their front office.”
So, John,, I agree with your content of your question…where is the eye witness beef that 400 students from over 10 miles away are on that campus?
Thanks fv. I don’t know what to make of that. Any idea who the fire marshall is? I would think he/she would have done an inspection prior to this move.
Is the bus service provided by the district, or contracted? Are food vendors and such contracts “public”?
Obviously one can’t just talk to the kids.
Good leads lophatt, The family owned bus company is All-Star Transportation and it serves Newtown and Monroe districts. I will call them when they are not dealing with snow for a few non-threatening questions. Google satellite of 375 Fan Hill Campus shows three schools. Chaulk Hill supposedly houses the 400 SHE students and staff plus Monroe Volunteer Emergency Medical Services and Monroe Parks and Recreation. Stay tuned.
So, we either have 400 kids who do not exist or 400 kids who never moved from 375 Fan Hill Road. I would think it would be far easier to lie about a move than to actually move.
John, your gem is highly relevant context for the article by Bill Bittar, (editor of the Monroe Patch) in his article of Jan 2, 2013- Challk Hill: The Best School Money Could Buy. Quoting –
“Within hours of the horrific shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School took the lives of 20 children and six adults, Chalk Hill’s immediate future became clear. With Newtown’s school a crime scene, Monroe offered use of its building”.
“Today, Newtown’s students will breathe new life into Chalk Hill when they hold their first classes in what will now be called Sandy Hook Elementary School”.
The article goes on to quote the enthusiasm of former personnel and paints a rosy upbeat atmosphere of rebirth for the school.
School superintendent, James Agostine.said the “stars aligned when the town still had the building available at Newtown’s time of need.”
Note- there are two web spellings to the Monroe School superintendent James Agostine and Augustine.
Bill Bittar has not returned my email after a request for a SHE “fact check”
Thanks again fv. I think this is the way to get answers.
All, a notably factoid- the seven retirement and healthcare facilities are gorgeous! Direct cut and paste from the career section of the website-
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Perhaps best known is our accredited Masonicare Health Center in Wallingford, and nearby communities, Pond Ridge and Masonicare at Ashlar Village. In Newtown, Masonicare manages Masonicare at Newtown and Lockwood Lodge retirement communities. Masonicare also provides complete hospice services and operates Masonicare Home Health & Hospice, the state’s largest visiting nurse association, with 10 offices that provide service to patients in their homes statewide. We’ve just launched Masonicare at Home, offering personal-care, homemaking and companion services to seniors in their homes.
All- a recap- regarding the quest for multiple pieces of evidence that answer the focused question- Can SHE students be proven to exist and where are they? The press and James Agostine ( Supt of the School System in Monroe, Ct). – Says “yes, about 400, talk to the SHE School Principal- Kathy Gombos” By the way- he had to look through his records to find the spelling of her last name and I am surprised he did not have a direct head count.
Can the Newtown division of the All-State Transportation Bus company help?- “you would have to talk to the James Agostine” How many buses do you use for these specific SHE routes? “ten” He was not willing to share anything regarding bus driver experiences with their passengers.
Can a certificate of occupancy be produced by the Monroe Fire Marshal for their Chalk location housing ? I am awaiting that answer. Certs are not available on line and are controlled by the towns in CT.
Other avenues in progress.
Looking for certificates of occupancy is a great idea.
Although, thinking it over, likely those sorts of records will be as unavailable (or as doctored) as all the the other records relating to this town!
You are awesome! Be careful, however. Some black vans might start showing up at your door and a few others’. Speaking of the “gubbermint” – and thinking of the NSA…anyone notice in their Internet searches on this stuff that pages tend to freeze? Could be just a hiccup in our Internet (business speed, however) but it just started happening the other day. Guess the NSA has to do what they need to do to keep up with my page searches and keystrokes 🙂
Well fv, that’s a genuine improvement. They used to refer every inquiry to “Snopes”.
So, if the students are there, that is 438 (give or take), plus their families who haven’t been interviewed. Not that it would make much difference (story wise), as the kids would only know what they’d been told.
Obviously, the parents would know where their little darlings attended school. Normally school districts are roughly five-miles in diameter (depending on density). Ten buses is plausible.
There are problems with this no matter how you look at it. We know that the footage taken is not as described. It could have been done at any time. If they had done it as advertised, right after the event, you would have seen a lot of kids.
I suppose an alternate explanation could be that school was not in session. That’s a reach though. Clearly they would have to know how many kids they had enrolled. The local newspaper seems to be compromised.
I’ll keeping mulling this over. Something is definitely wrong.
What about the two other elementary schools in Newtown? Middle Gate and Hawley?
Thanks for that thought Violeta For reference:
According to usa.com the Newtown School District k-4 inventory = 4 Schools
Sandy Hook -7 Dickerson Drive – 625 Students S/T=15.97 (but I hear ~400 the other day from a school official) These students are publicized to be at 375 Fan Hill (Chalk Hill School) in Monroe. As John says-following a school bus back to Newtown maybe the only way to know for sure.
Head O’Meadow- 94 Boggs Hill Rd- 375 students S/T= 14.35
Middle Gate- 7 Cold Springs Rd. – 495 students S/T 15.95
Hawley School- 29 Church Hill Rd – 420 students S/T=16.77
Note- Satellite image of Middle Gate shows a significant number of cars parking on the grass…worn grass. ~125 paved parking spots
Sandy Hook – ~136 parking spots (Caulk Hill-375 Fan Hill= ~210)
Hawley School- ~86 Head O’Meadow- ~67
Conclusion- (excluding Caulk Hill) Middle Gate has the highest number of parking spots per student of the four school facilities yet cars are parking on the grass.
Great observations FV! At this point, I am going to conclude that the student number is correct and has always been correct, (minus 20 of course) and that the students do in fact go to school….and have been for quite some time, with business as usual. The more that I examine this story, the derelict Sandy Hook building was used as the community free for all and Chalk Hill was teaching the kids in question since at least 1999-2000.
That would explain why the firehouse didn’t have all of the bells and whistles of an operating firehouse either….and probably stored snow plows and other community stuff.
fvpatterson, I’m just glad someone found it useful, when I can’t get more out than a brief thought, I don’t know if anyone else will get what I’m talking about.
While you’re looking at the schools on google map, if you look at the Sandy Hook Elementary of the event, look at the cars in the parking lot. Many seem to be same vehices. Maybe the staff were all copycats, but that’s not common. I don’t know if you can photoshop satellite images, but that’s what I’m thinking is how they have cars in that parking lot.
Then look at the Chalk Hill structure. Not too many schools have been built as big squares due to lack of light from windows. If it ever was a school, it was a bad school. But it looks like it may have been a gym type structure….maybe, anyway. But the most interesting thing is if you can get the extra info from google maps, which includes reviews of the school, there is one review for Chalk Hill. It says, in my own words, It’s good to see the doors back open again. What a great school, we can learn foreign language, etc. Written 11 months ago.
Those aren’t an elementary school kid’s words, especially an elementary school kid who has never most likely seen the school before.
@fv, with respect to photoshopping google map images, I went back to the google map of Chalk Hill Middle school, and at the bottom on the right of the map there is something you can click on to check editing. I clicked on it and it had editing history and something else. It also has something you can click on to undo editing. I was so tempted to click it right there and then, but I would prefer that someone else see it before I do that. The editing history in itself is interesting.
The building looks like a gymnasium, and when you consider the athletic field is adjacent to it, and the there’s a middle school right next to it with NO athletic field, it just could be so.
Violeta, I believe the supposed floor plan of the “new-old” school is on-line, if that is helpful. I was looking at it and comparing interior photos from “old” Sandy Hook.
Thanks, Beth, I didn’t realize that. I’ll see if I can find it. I shouldn’t be too hard to be able to tell if it’s the same. Although, just because the floor plans are the same it doesn’t mean that’s where the kids who were in Sandy Hook Elementary school on Dec. 14, 2012, go to school there, or that there actually were any kids in Sandy Hook Elementary school on Dec. 14, 2012.
Let me know if you can’t locate it Violeta and I’ll see if I can track it down and post the link 🙂
I didn’t find the floor plans yet, but I found this article in the Daily Mail with supposedly a picture of Chalk Hill school. If you look at Chalk Hill school on google maps, this picture of it in the Daily Mail does NOT look like it could possibly be the same thing.
Violeta, From the angular view feature of Bing maps I can see exactly where the rainy day Reuters photo (“Online Mail” 12-18-12) was taken of the Chalk Hill school. Chalk Hill appears to be a two story structure and the visual count of the ~220 parking spots would support that. The bus in the photo would be serving the Jockey Hollow Elementary School which is also on that access road.
The article states “New environment: Officials are busy moving furniture and supplies from Sandy Hook to Chalk Hill, where they will recreate the look of their old classrooms to make the transition easier for their students” …a point I had missed….moving items from a 4 day old mass casualty crime scene defies credibility.
I am ignorant of the process of Google map editing but now very curious. If older images can be tagged with newer dates or cars added to parking lots then I question the image that shows March 30, 12 Dickenson Drive SHE a thriving facility with what appears to be kids in the playground. The identity of attendant Google map makers/editors was a revelation.
Thanks, Beth, I’m still looking.
fvpatterson, I can see that you’re right. The school looked like it was too close to the street compared to the overhead on google maps, but it must just be a perspective appearance due to the camera keeping near and far in focus. Also, I thought the road the policemen are on seemed to be perpendicular to the one it intersects, but no, it’s not.
As for editing on google maps, maybe they can only google certain things such as extra information or boundaries. I don’t see any signs of being able to edit the actual picture. Of course we don’t know when the actual picture is from. I have to say I don’t know a whole lot:)
One of the links that I attached today has a news piece on the move to Chalk Hill. They have film of the inside of SHE (allegedly) and Chalk Hill. They show bookcases being moved, etc..
(1) it was a crime scene. How could that be?
(2) If they did that, where did the furniture in the report at SHE come from?
They showed people taking pictures so that they could “exactly” reproduce SHE at Chalk Hill. Now, consider that the two-story school is nothing like SHE. If this whole thing is so secret that they posted guards how did they allow “hundreds of workers” to tramp through there and move things? They took hundreds of photos.
This is no “slip of the tongue” deal. It makes sense if you follow John’s theory. That would explain any similarities between the two schools. All you really see are some people sitting around a table and a banner hung from a fence that says “Welcome Sandy Hook Students”.
Certainly, if you went by the official story, there would already be furniture at Chalk Hill. The curved bookcases, for obvious reasons, wouldn’t fit just anywhere. They were custom made for a curved wall.
So, I’m thinking that they shot most of the footage at Chalk Hill and there was little or nothing at SHE. That way, if they were busted, they could just refer to this little episode and blame it on the confusion.
Adding and summarizing via Lophatt and John,
One of the two levels of the Chalk facility would seem perfect to create the “second” Sandy Hook school. It would be Isolated from the Monroe county offices including Parks and Recreation on the other (first?) floor.
All likely created and used as classrooms many months before Dec 14, 2102.
So what about the school management logic to intentionally create SHE Chalk Hill to mirror the look of SHE Dickinson Drive. Why would you visually stimulate rememberances and reimprint students with reminders of trauma? Clearly the intent was to promote a shell game.
Hi Fvpatterson: Agreed – what kind of psychoanalyst/shrink/trauma specialist would approve of / suggest re-creating the scene of the supposed crime for the children to sit in every darn day? This is nuts! On top of the fact that all of these people were supposedly let into the crime scene to take photos, etc. Right! For those who believe this bunk, let us help you try to remove the hook from your mouth.
Adding to John and lophatt- The two story Chalk Hill facility is an ideal location for this deception. While the Monroe County offices including Parks and Recreation is isolated to one level the SHE show continues on the next.
The publically announced decision by the school officials to recreate the Dickinson Dr classroom look into the Chalk Hill facility is quite insane. Why would visual traumatic event reminders, images and reimprinting be carried over to fresh classrooms. This appears to be more evidence that the mentality of psychopaths is actively at work.
Regarding the fresh painting evidence in the video. Does this argue that SHE Dickinson was made to resemble Chalk Hill.
I believe Chalk Hill and students were likely in place many months before December 14, 2012
Thanks, Lophatt. I have always believed that it is far easier to lie about a move than to actually go through with one. Can you imagine the overhead of dozens of moving trailers, crews of 100s to make the move, paint (before or after the move?, lol) and keep everyone quiet? It would cost a small fortune to move all of the contents and paint so quickly, while avoiding any contamination at the “crime” scene.
There was painting being done, and some moving in, but all of that occurred at the location of “the main prop.” The police video, if you can call it that, shows evidence of over 50 five gallon paint containers at SHES. It was prettied up for demolition. You can even see the imported Mexican workers @ $10.00/hr. in the YT video of the student who heard “a popping sound and thought it was the janitor”.
Wow! Wild! What a tangled web! That ties it all up, lophatt. And John, good theorizing. So there were kids going to Chalk Hill all along, is that what you’re saying? And none going to Sandy Hook. And when they were pretending to fix up Chalk Hill they were actually working on SHE? And that would mean that the number of people playing along with the whole deal is greatly multiplied, if I’m taking this the right way.
Do you know when they supposedly moved in to Chalk Hill?
Hi Violetta, I believe that they “moved” back in to Chalk Hill (SHES) on 1-3-13, right on time after the “Christmas Break.” If the worker’s are to be interviewed, an impartial Spanish translator is a must.
I know this might be completely minor, but I find it odd that the gaming consoles in “adam’s” room found in the Lanza house photos seem to be completely dated. From what I can tell they look like Nintendo 64, Game cube or something of the sort; a game cartridge is used as well. This is rare. If a kid still has these types of devices it’s predominantly for nostalgia purposes and one would also have the more updated consoles along with the dated ones. Typically those who are more affluent tend to have the most updated video game devices i.e. Xbox or PlayStation gaming consoles. I don’t see any of these in the room. It was just something that stood out to me.
I will ask my son to evaluate those pictures. He’s totally up to date on the nostalgia factor in gaming since it’s his childhood stuff I am not allowed to throw away (he no longer lives at home).
If indeed there are no up to date devices, then this is consistent with the cheap staging of the home with recent (thus cheap) furniture. You could include thrift store purchases or throwaways to round out the contents, and stay within some low budget.
One of my sons noted the same…and the lack of any real game collection and any real console. Maybe with his OCD, he played the same thing over and over and over, however.
In other words, you’re saying the props fit the story about Lanza’s being stuck. But what really were they saying about how he gamed? Might they have mentioned games which the equipment could not support? I thought he was supposed to have smashed up something too, like a monitor or something. Of course we are probably supposed to think it was “redacted” when in reality there is nothing behind that blue curtain of redaction.
But what’s behind the curtain in the sitting room, huh? The real owner’s possessions perhaps? Things which might give the game away?
What I meant to convey was any real gamer would want those shooter games played on the most current console w/the better graphics and we’re not seeing it. He smashed the hard drive on the computer – that’s what you had read…but why would he do that unless he wanted to protect someone? He was going to die – he to have known that…unless he had searches on the hard drive about where he was planning to run to…but more likely the powers that be damaged the hard drive.
It’s still a fiction you know. Don’t write it for them if there are holes, is my view. But thanks. Perhaps you may believe it really did happen. I can understand that. They went to a big production and it’s hard to imagine how it could all be fake. But that’s how I see it. And it’s not because I shut my mind all at once. It’s because of where I feel the facts have led. Each of us must come to our own conclusions.
Agree Musings 🙂 I guess I take the tact of “Let’s say it happened the way they are saying…” and then poke holes in it. It is terrific to have this blog to trade ideas with others and it has been awesome to see the holes that other people have found – very, very interesting!
I think this is the bottom line predicament we all have. This fiction, or performance with holes, fabrications, pages upon pages of inconsistencies and absurdities has been released by the CT State Troopers as the factual analysis and authority. Who is there to investigate them or confront them with the fact that this ‘official’ story is a sham, or shoddy workmanship at best? The governor? He’s a right- hand man crony to the president, appointed to the Council of Governors advisors to the president on matters of homeland security, integration of state and federal military activities… The depth of what we’re seeing here and the lack of anyone keeping anyone accountable to truth, even in ‘official’ documentation is staggering. This ‘report’ has been distributed internationally and is being accepted as ‘official’. I would fire anyone immediately who proposed this report under my jurisdiction. Its absurd. We can be busy picking through the details, but the center of focus should be the authorities that are promoting this and supporting it!
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I share your sentiments exactly Karen. Connecticut has proven restriction and registration of firearms and ammo legislation can be passed despite protest. Boston proved that a city can be locked down with antics and WTC proved that our entire way of life and freedoms can be turned on a dime. To name a few. Think big picture and beat your drum folks. It is frightening to hear the silence.
I would bet the Farm that NONE of the evidence films or pictures were taken on 12-14-12, but several months afterwards to garner public perception and to “put the puzzle together.”
John, that makes sense. I’m not a cop or a crime scene investigator, but it seems strange to me that the video a Yogananda would be done by one guy at night after “the detectives had been there and left the lights on”, as stated.
Of course we don’t know what’s in the redacted pieces. I wouldn’t think they’d leave a body there and just leave. Would they leave evidence (the rifle) lying in the middle of the floor?
There were several computer cabinets there like somebody rebuilt computers. The drapes in one of the sitting rooms appeared shredded at the bottom and didn’t fit the windows. I was getting dizzy watching it. Wouldn’t you do that “systematically” and identify what you were filming? How would any of that be useful?
Lophatt, I was with Military Intelligence (the special ops unit of one of the five military branches) a few decades ago. The Savage .22 rifle, if a real crime scene, would have been tagged, photographed, bagged, and removed to a secure location rather quickly, and certainly would not be left in place for a film crew to record perhaps 12 hours after initial discovery.
Thank you John Luv! Excellent comment.
That’s what I thought John. I’ve been involved with Military intelligence in a former life and they weren’t that sloppy. Chain of evidence still means something (unless you’re in Connecticut I suppose).
Adam Lanza’s psychiatrist abandoned practice, expatriated to New Zealand in 2012.
That link just came up “item not found”!
Here is a link to the story http://www.newstimes.com/local/article/Lanza-s-psychiatrist-lost-license-to-practice-5099143.php
Dr. Tracy’s link doesn’t come up, but I read NayRock’s. I’d be really interested in what people have to say…I think hospitals have to save records for seven years in my state, so it’s interesting a psychiatrist only has to save theirs for five. It’s basically all what you would expect – some psychiatrist who vanished essentially. He surrendered his credentials.
Does anyone know how nigh impossible that is to have happen? Since psychiatry is one big sham to begin with and involves zero ‘medicine’ or ‘science,’ I’d think it pretty hard to get one’s license to practice ‘medicine’ taken away. All a psychiatrist would have to do is call the client crazy, etc. Since there’s no empirical science to base their silly projections on, it’s vary rare that they even cross each other, except maybe when rich lawyers pay them to.
So that part and then his subsequent disappearance in New Zealand is predictable. What’s odd is that there’s mention in the comments of an aeronautic somebody having baby sat him, and some hairdresser in Sandy Hook chimes in who cut his and Nancy’s hair.
I don’t know what to make of them. But what’s also expected is that the article ends with this lesson that Adam stopped taking his Celexa or some drug because he thought it impeded his arm’s motion, and Nancy indulged him and couldn’t be ‘reasoned with.’
Of course, everyone has to take their ‘medication’ in Sandy Hoax, and, never ever trust anyone who is remote or inaccessible to the group. I would have expected they’d have put more focus on the medication piece, but that would only direct more attention to the phantom psychiatrist.
But that endless mantra is always there in every article on SH; live through the group, all loners are potential homicidal monsters. The psych system really grooves on that basic presumption – that loners are somehow mentally ill as they can’t be controlled the way conformists can be. A side note: in German cinema, loners became the stock hero after WWII, where the conventional archetype of the ‘group-thinking’ hero became so stigmatized (for mostly fictitious reasons IMO). In Australian film the reluctant hero has always dominated the culture’s psyche; australian men were drafted and used by the brits to fight wars which only benefited England, and as a result the collective consciousness strongly favors only the reluctant heroes, who don’t get sacrificed as fools, ie Mel Gibson’s movies, etc.
All the parents crow about how happy their lost kids were at Sandy Hook and how it’s such consolation that their last moments were in such a loving happy place.
Gag me. I’m a loner by nature who also sustains and enjoys fulfilling friendships and relationships, and it’s outraging that throughout this whole fairy tale there’s that evil lurking – and uncontrolled – standout to the group think that we must all agree needed to be medicated and brought to kneel before the god of the NWO. This is a main tenet of psychiatry, this romanticization of ‘the community’ and total pathologization of any who dare to do their own thing, especially in the form of emotionally independent individuals.
Since rugged individualism made America, it’s not surprise that those who seek to destroy it are bent on breaking any spirit of true individualism.
The re-programming is coming along nicely now that “truther” is a slur.
Sue – Enjoyed your post. We had a discussion around our house this afternoon about how SH and similar events could be staged over and over and when piled on top of each other over time to train the sheeple to accept what they are told, etc. If we look around us – most people are “asleep” and accept what they are told. They’ve been trained to accept what the government tells them, what the news tells them – and scarily – too many accept that the government will do things that are deemed to be best for them. How many sheeple are outraged at the IRS scandals? None, Obama will take care of that and he’s investigating it (cough), Benghazi? Where is the outrage? The government MADE UP a story that the terrorist were pissed about some crass video and stood by that — and yet has anyone had their feet held to the fire? Punished? No.
Because the general sheeple public is all being trained to a-c-c-e-p-t all that happens. Eventually we will have a general public that will be completely controllable when it’s time to declare martial law or whatever is in the plan…(except for us…we will not accept…they’re probably resort to executions, re-education camps and drugs for us).
Sue you are totally right, true individualism is being classed as ‘ something wrong’… its like a ‘ collective thing”… if you are not ” one of the crowd”.. you are nothing.. its cleverly done, making ‘ the community’ your family…You are right all loners are not potential homicidal monsters.. but society wants you to think that.. I’ve worked with people within the Autism spectrum, caring people who wouldn’t hurt anyone with intent.. it’s the crowds in the community we have to be aware of..ha!.
Can you imagine loosing a child while they were attending school.. the majority of us would be braying the door down, ringing the Education authorities, and sueing them.. The Anger would be so powerful.. We saw nothing like that.. it was a ‘dream stage’.. Yes and the ‘crowing parents talking about how happy they were knowing they were in the care of the teachers,in a happy and loving place.. ”… Of course they mucked up on the security front didn’t they..No parent mentioned that.!
Individuals make the world.. why is society bent of destroying this..
Very well articulated Poppylavender. The lone and troubled perpetrator sacred theme seems to be very historically familiar and popular. One venturing to think beyond that box is so predictably labeled “conspiracy nut” that it makes me shutter.
PoppyLavender: The answer is (as far as I can see): CONTROL.
The story is a little too “pat”. Why would he lose his diploma? The mental health issue is also “large” in this. Prescribed medication but “Nancy” refused to have him take it. They are kind to “Peter” but hard on “Nancy”.
Well, it is what it is. Given her income (allegedly), she would not have to use this psychiatrist. If you use a psychiatrist (as opposed to a psychologist), you can be certain that drugs will be involved.
He would most certainly have received a medical evaluation and I doubt very much that those records would have been “destroyed” after five years. Archived, maybe, destroyed, I don’t think so.
Here’s a cap from the investigation vid of the school. Bit puzzled why there’s what looks like a hospital privacy curtain. But then I’m not clear what this room is supposed to be.
Nurse’s office? Just a guess. It was interesting to me how often in the police video the photog would show what room he was entering (sign outside) but sometimes not. Not terribly professional.
It sure does have that look. The seats on the wall work too. I remember we were also looking at the different rooms in which Boston bombing amputees were posing. Could this be some kind of clinic where they filled in a lot of school-like stuff?
The furnishings throughout seem wrong, almost random. The rooms just don’t look like an active school was suddenly evacuated in the middle of an ordinary day. The “classrooms” all seem to have the same random junk we see in the “offices” and the other areas. There’s even what looks like a pair of crutches against the wall in what might be the same room that has the hospital curtain.
And the redacted portions look random or a deliberate “f**k you”. There’ one where they are filming inside what looks like a kitchen store cupboard. Section redacted. Then more of what looks like the same store cupboard. Are we supposed to believe there was a body or something on one of the shelves?
Another thing that bothers me is the bullet holes. Are they supposed to have gone through people before hitting the walls or are they supposed to be misses? Either way there’s a problem. If they are misses then it dramatically increases the number of shots Lanza would have had to fire in the few minutes available. if they are supposed to have gone through people first, then where is the blood and tissue splatter?
I second your remarks Hilary. We are appreciating why the content doesn’t hold logic. It is a patchwork quilt of corrupted energies. When we attempt to comprehend the “Final Report”, the message is clear- “give up the search for truth as secrecy, deception and deceit are now the New Order”. No need to pay attention to the activities behind the curtain.. Pay no attention to historical protocols of releasing victim names and following forensic SOP’s. Pledge your Trust in Connecticut and the Federal Government.
So consider the profound negotiating power that the Power Corrupt have as these successful events get added to their CV. A simple request for cooperation and capitulation within the hallways of Power is leveraged by the promise of panic, mayhem, fear and economic destruction.
Has anyone tried to open up property info on the Lanza’s street lately? I cannot pull up that data this far – or for anyone on that street so far (via county property look-up). Most counties have a sketch of the building in the records – so was trying to peak at the lay-out. I know there was a blog thread on a lot of the records being “updated” with weird sale dates…supposedly some data transfer. I just can’t pull up Lanza as homeowner (and have no luck w/street info).
Friends say, “why?” Why would the powers that be go to all this trouble, to fabricate a story? My first answer control – usually gun control and the fact that a school massacre worked in the British Isles to eliminate private ownership. Then, I see the money trail that leads to the governor. Seems a lot was signed in June 2013, not only many of the reports through the CT State Troopers, but also this executive order by Governor Malloy:
It assures, basically, that the federal government has control of the State’s emergency management and as a result, federal funds may be secured by the state.
Karen, that’s interesting. “His Excellency”? In essence he abnegated his responsibilities to the feds. Do they have a legislature in Connecticut? Since it happened on June 12th it doesn’t appear that there was an “emergency” that required that.
Makes ya’ wonder why we wasted all that money on the Colonial Army doesn’t it?
Just saw a site where someone else had recently noted the Lanza house info seems to have disappeared from property record info…maybe not just me, then 🙂
Unsure if anyone had seen this but Nancy Lanza’s estate paperwork had not been filed as of August 2013. The will was from ’94 before the Lanzas divorced, supposedly. Why the heck didn’t she fix her will? A “normal” divorced mom with some education would know to set up provisions (i.e., a trust) for the ill son, if he existed. The ex is named as executor with brother and brother-in-law as backups. The brother and brother-in-law declined to be executor. Per case search, here it is a year later and it’s still hanging out there. Not that this is unusual, perhaps since there was a will prior to the divorce but interesting to me nonetheless. Likely husband at the time was heir but after divorce with provisions to take care of Adam…but now likely just surviving son is heir – can’t be that difficult. But, I’m just a layperson.
OK check this out: Peter Lanza signs off to this “Stark” an attorney to be the administrator of Nancy’s will after a judge appoints him as fiduciary – One of the first things it is said was done was Peter signed off on a request to have Stark remove all of Adam’s belongings INCLUDING journals, art, etc. to give to the FBI so they can create a profile of this supposed shooter. Question: Would not those items have been taken by police when they raided the Lanza home and searched it? Note, it doesn’t say it gives the state police permission to transfer that evidence to the FBI… Makes no sense to me – Why is this evidence in the home still? Why wasn’t all of it laid out in the videos? Ah, redacted, perhaps. But why wasn’t it scooped up in bags and taken away to headquarters? You mean it was left there for someone to break in to the house and take as a crazy souvenir? Any police investigators to weigh in?
Story link on law site: http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/trusts_estates_prof/2013/04/nancy-lanzas-will-leaves-estate-to-her-sons.html
Court search – shows sitting there 1/2013: http://www.ctprobate.gov/Pages/Case-Lookup.aspx
You know, Nancy supposedly received $200k per year for Adam’s care. He lived at home supposedly and had no outside assistance, supposedly. It is reported that Nancy supposedly did not give him the medications that were prescribed to him but even if she did this much -and I’m sure it was covered by good insurance (in light of her supposed financial situation)….then why, pray tell is the supposed liquid assets in Nancy’s accounts only $60k? More trips than previously disclosed? She sure didn’t spend it on furnishings, clothes and stuff for Adam’s room…
You would think that someone would want to sue that estate for wrongful death, or at least pain and suffering???
You’d think someone (at least one) would sue the estate – if supposedly Nancy Lanza literally helped ensure a killer was trained andgave him access to guns…and who in the heck gets a car for their insane son who she tried to institutionalize even though he never went out of the house?
That is a great point Beth! Thanks for that.
Well, I appreciate the points of views on this blog – especially those of you who are doing such a great job with the finer details! Thanks for engaging in the discussion!
Beth, that was one of the earlier “points”. No lawsuits = no deaths. Count the number of “charities” and try to imagine that someone wouldn’t file a lawsuit.
Of course, if they did, they’d have to prove death and negligence and that could be very messy. I can say from personal experience that people are not shy about filing suits.
Someone tried to file a lawsuit on another level- for trauma to their child, I believe. Irving Pinsky was the lawyer name. But for it to be allowed to reach court, it has to be approved by the ‘Claims Commissioner’, who is J. Paul Vance Jr. It was retracted weeks after being filed, due to “new evidence” he received. I also found a lot of slamming by the Connecticut lawyers toward the guy. Good luck to anyone filing any lawsuits.
Interesting. Yeah, new evidence my a**. They let him know he couldn’t sue the school, the state, etc. That and there were a bazillion death threats, etc. Thanks for passing that along- it was interesting to read about (Vance, huh? Wow…most interesting). Now, wonder why he didn’t want to sue the Lanza estate on behalf of the client, considering the mother’s supposed negligent actions. Hmmm…that’s a head-scratcher.
Then perhaps we can harass the participants beyond belief and have complete immunity 🙂
Beth, yes, I meant “either” the district or the Lanza estate. The company I work for gets sued all the time, even if we have no involvement at all. It costs lots of money to defend against them but you can’t stop them.
It isn’t hard to get a lawyer from “outside”. As someone else said earlier, there are more lawyers than germs (but I repeat myself). Consider (speaking from the standpoint of the “story”) that there are either 400+ (or 700+) kids with families. Do you think that they would not receive a call from some enterprising young legal beagle?
“It won’t cost you a thing, we’ll handle everything”. It’s just another example of how “other worldly” this thing is.
Hi Lophatt, It is telling how the one to step up and file suit (later withdrawn) was inundated with death threats, etc. – the plaintiff (unknown at this time) probably had to move from the town as they were likely ostracized (I know how these small town locals work…can be nasty business going against the grain). But, you’d think the Lanza estate would be a viable target (not like the school) but obviously the pockets weren’t as deep. It looks like despite a 200k ++ alimony income each year there was not much left in liquid assets to show for it (but…then again, maybe it is invested). Lord knows she didn’t apply the money to appropriate care, if one were to believe the reports. But I digress…we’re trying to make sense of something that just doesn’t from 1,000 angles. 🙂
Who really believes there was some actual lawsuit being threatened? There was no act to sue against, so I’m thinking this was a form of disinformation.
Sue, good point. I agree with you.
Beth, why would the FBI have jurisdiction in a murder investigation? Do you think that’s related to Malloy’s deal with the feds? They are usually building “profiles” on suspects, not the ones they find dead on the floor.
The local or state cops could easily retrieve anything they wanted with a subpoena or a warrant.
That is a good question about leaving the house empty. They had armed guards on the road leading to the school for some time and, remember the story about assigning cops to “victims” to keep away the curious? Wouldn’t you think that Nancy’s house would fall into the category of being “at risk” for souvenir hunters?
The answer, of course, is that they would have come in, tagged whatever evidence they wanted and carried it away.
Hi Lophatt! Good question on the FBI considering it wasn’t until 1/14/13 that the President signed the Investigative Assistance for Violent Crimes Act of 2012 into law. The act permits the attorney general, upon the request of an appropriate state or local law enforcement officer, to provide assistance in the investigation of 1) violent acts and shootings occurring in a “place of public use” and 2) mass killings—defined as three or more killings in a single incident—and attempted mass killings. Under the act, federal officials assisting the investigation of these incidents are presumed to be acting within the scope of their employment.
In May 2013 the news noted (read article) that discussed how state legislators and the governor’s office had drawn criticism over their secret drafting of a bill that would block the public disclosure of some information from the Newtown investigation that normally would be available to the public under the state’s Freedom of Information law. That’s disconcerting. Ah, the authorities don’t ever release grisly photos anyway…maybe it’s the 9-1-1 / police radio recordings they wanted to keep from the public. BUT THIS same article noted….
The FBI was controlling the evidence per this note in the article: “Maj. William Podgorski, who oversees the Western District Crime Squad, the unit involved in the investigation, said part of the delay is redacting FBI reports.” So, your federal government had taken on the first-hand role of controlling what would be written and disclosed in this case. Amazing!
Lots of people had to wrap their heads around our gov’s Fast and Furious events that lead to deaths…similar event (maybe gone wrong) at SHook?
Beth, thanks for the insights. That’s an interesting legal question. I realize the degree of collusion in this. I was just thinking about it from a “jurisdictional” point of view. After all, when you strip away the hype, it is still a murder case.
This is similar to when they “kidnapped” JFK’s body from Dallas. If they ever had any intent to “try” this case it would have to be in a Connecticut court. It may be a “place of public use” but it is a STATE place of public use.
Just incredibly suspicious. Plus, it is called the “State’s” report…BUT THE FBI was in charged of redacting it? B.S. – they wrote it, too, no doubt.
Can you imagine? The FBI was in charge of writing it? How deep is that? You probably wouldn’t even want to crack the case of whether Chalk Hill is being used by Sandy Hook Elementary kids. They would have to…….
Yes, it boggles the mind. I’m going to bounce this off a friend of mine who’s specialty is jurisdictional law. He has some stories going back to the 1940’s that make my hair stand on end. Anyway, between this and the Governor essentially ceding control to the feds, we may all have to wait for the ruling from “The Duma”.
Beth, that’s interesting too. What happened to “Ryan”. As her son he would become the next in line per the rules of inheritance. Are we to believe that “Mr. Stark” is not representing “Ryan”?
I think Stark has to be an impartial fiduciary as he was court-appointed. I don’t know that there has been any other family claim on anything but no one would know that, I guess because nothing has really been filed.
It will be interesting to see if anyone follows this.
At one point they had “Ryan” listed as the “owner” of the house. I would think he’d have an interest in this. I must be losing my mind. Here I am trying to ascertain the legal implications of fictional characters.
Dino and Beth, his 1974 symposium in Florida says that he believes in teaching children around ten in his system. The photo you posted from 1972 says business is brisk among Satanists. It’s quite a “distinction” to have the East Coast Branch of the Church of Satan in your town.
This looks like the burgeoning of what will become the “Baha’i/Up With People” cult. The whole thing has the stench of another Aleister Crowley “working”.
It’s all probably a coincidence. Our man “Robbie” had a rather interesting background. His wife had that “drugged” look at times. I remember that he had a background in something totally unrelated to medicine.
Hi Lophatt, the comment about 10 years old being so open to listening, etc. really creeped me out as well. I think our young Robbie Parker and his wife moved to the CT area from Utah but I think he also worked out of AZ….was/is a physician’s assistant. Didn’t seem smart enough but he could be smart like a fox. Terrible actor, however. Happy New Year!
He just responded, as you can see, Violeta–so thank goodness it was not the email!
Whoa–I must have missed something. What 1974 symposium in Florida? And what comment about 10 years old being open to listening? Are we talking about this same guy, Robert C.H. Parker?
dinophile, where did your original message go? I didn’t look at the link yet. Strange.
You know what? I could not find it either!
I also have been unable to find a comment I posted yesterday about the school on the USGS topo map–and I’ve seen no comments on it. So something has happened to these posts!
Here is the link to that 1972 article again, though:
That’s really strange! Is there a way to ask Prof. Tracey?
Maybe “Robert C.H. Parker” is channeling your posts? Beth, yeah I remember reading that he had worked previously as a P.A. but he also had some sort of “charity fund raising” gig as well. There was a “Linked In” or some other service, post on him with a list of his bonafides.
Happy New Year to you all as well.
Ive also not been able to find a comment that was emailed to me, Sue I think… anyway I clicked on to the link ‘ Sandy Hook school’ 375 Fan Hill Road and noticed Barbara Halstead is the cleark Sally Cox the Nurse Kevin Anzelloti head custodian and Joane Didoneto Secretary.. Janet Vollmer kindergarden teacher.. but what about the others, have they moved on..I can’t see the name of the teacher shot in the foot, who appeared on TV at some sports match, fully recovered in a short time.. Natalie Hammond..is not on the list., the blond teacher – in the original School event.. she was interviewed on tv.. saying she read stories to the children while the shooting was going on.. has she not got a job at the new school? Reading between the lines my opinion is this school has always been ‘ Sandy Hook School.’.. and the School we saw promoted in the chaos was a Staged event. the participants thinking ( or brainwashed) into thinking it was a good oportunity to help get money into the district to help promote protection for the children in the future, ban guns, and get the mental health situation more on the map.. That’s what it feels like to me. Sorry any typo errors I am having difficulty posting..or checking what I have said.
Poppy, what about Mr. Thorne “Head Custodian Extraordinaire”? There were a host of others. After all 438 kids takes a lot of teachers.
Lots of questions about the custodian and he has never been interviewed in the media. Too bad we can’t see his interview with the police…like, if that, you know, ever even happened.
Kaitlin Roig, the closet storytime teacher, has since married and is giving lectures on school safety to teachers at conferences. She was in my neck of the woods a couple of weeks ago. She is pretty cute…I bet she got her acting skills from doing a few porno shoots….anything is possible with Sandy Hoax Elementary School.
JohnLuv, Eh – no comment on suspected history of this gal. But, this is bazaar…check out this link – 2011 Newsletter from the church she and her mother (Kathy) belong/belonged to in Danbury. Kathy is hosting a book club meeting. The book listed? “House Rules” by Jodi Picoult.
Our peers here will love this: THE STORY IS ABOUT A BOY WITH ASPERGER’S SYNDROME LIVING IN TOWNSHEND, VT WHO IS ACCUSED OF MURDER (of his tutor).
According to the story line…the book’s character 18 yrs. old…lives with his mother and brother. The kid moved the body and changed the crime scene (has an interest in forensics) but the brother caused the tutor’s death…was an accident.
Now…is this totally a bazaar coincidence or what?
Beth, that is INDEED an interesting find. The book club reference. Could that have been the starting point for the original plot? You know, with a few “refinements” it sounds pretty similar. Almost TOO similar.
What do you make the odds of that at? If she is the “involved” type she could very well have helped with the drill planning. Somebody has to write these scripts.
Lopatt – I know, I about fell out of my chair about that book club reading. In my head – the stupid flick Basic Instinct came into my head…people were getting killed in the same way described in the author’s book.
This is just too insane.
Hi – please see prior post – I’d provided a link to a symposium with that other Mr. Parker (1974) – it was a “story” about an event being hosted in FL. If you can’t locate it, please reply to this post and I’ll locate it again…I’m on a different computer today.
Or…let me think – I think I Google “Robert Parker and astrology” and found the 1974 news page.
I didn’t locate that specific information, by googling, but do see articles a “Robert Parker” wrote about astrology.
So, you guys had found this Robert Parker before, it appears, or at least found his writings. But did you realize he had this business in Sandy Hook?
2014 Greetings Dinophile, recapping the previously referenced 1972 Bridgeport Telegram citation. Occult Explosion’ seen by Sandy Hook publisher-, Robert CH Parker, age 30, psychic, occult entrepreneur and Publisher of “The Occult Trade Journal” (Danbury, CT) was quoted in the
“The nation is going through great sociological changes resulting in a loss of identity for people”. “Americans are turning to a deeper functioning of the human spirit that the government and the church seem to have failed”
This Robert CH Parker is now aged 71.
Yes, I know, and that is why I have conjectured he may be the father of the actor Robbie Parker.
Which leads to a hypothesis that the Sandy Hook shindig may have been in the works for a very long time.
Maybe another relative, Robert C.H.’s obit (posted a minute ago) shows no wife, children.
Involved in Elizabeth Smart investigation? Really? Wow…
Oh geez, looks like he might now be residing in my former stomping grounds. Anyway, interesting but it would be bazaar if he was related to Robbie Parker.
Robert C.H. Parker passed on to the next plane 12/21/2007. I wonder if he predicted that…
OK, the previous posts…can’t find them. May be stuck in moderation with other comments? Weird. I put it on my favorite places on my desktop…
Lakewood Ledger (Sarasota newspaper) from 1974…note Parker’s trade magazine for the occult is mentioned in the story:
I’m thinking anyway that this particular occult follower Robert Parker is moot unless someone finds he’s a relative of the infamous Robbie Parker. But looking into this – it is interesting how the occult seems a little too “big” in that locale (going back a ways, too).
Probably not a relative “in the flesh”, just in spirit. His little chat mentioned “God not having the ‘right’ to take away his destiny”, or something like that. Some might consider that a rather “arrogant” statement. I wonder of God knows this?
🙂 Wow. He certainly found out about that in connection with his sudden death. Sounds lie a colorful character.
Strange: these follow-ups to the bit about Robert C.H. Parker I am seeing now for the first time!
The obit does not say he had no children, but that he was survived by this named cousin Judy Robertson in Palm Springs, and “other relatives.” Maybe he was estranged from the other relatives. I find it rather weird that these relatives were not named. Maybe they had an interest in keeping their their names out of print! (Obituaries are usually drafted by family members, aren’t they?)
True! Good observation. I was taken aback at the coldness of the “other relatives” and assumed (perhaps incorrectly) that they were just shirt tail relatives. He was older, so maybe not many that he knew well. OR…maybe the relatives said, “Uh, keep my name out of this physic quacker’s obit, please”.
Somehow the help from C.H. Parker isn’t all that surprising. Lots of Parkers in Utah, lots of Mormons in Utah. My guess is they wanted a “psychic”. That whole thing was another one that entered the “Twilight Zone”.
I hope I’m not being redundant – I don’t have the time to read all the comments. But boy! Sofie Smallstorm sure was right about all of Sandy Hook being up for sale! (and she mentioned that in the fireside chat interview that was uploaded Aug 5, 2013)
All of Sandy Hook is UP FOR SALE!
And for whoever believed that Sandy Hook is a small town just like those across America? Check out the houses….LUXURY PURE…
Tammie, thanks. Nice interview with Sophia and great real estate stuff.
I think Sophia’s very close to the truth on this. Any disagreements I might have are minor. All the rest is the “gift that keeps on giving”.
I love the report that the fire hydrants on Main Street don’t work. Multi-million dollar firehouse and no working hydrants? Of course, on the other hand, if you want the firing range to burn down maybe you don’t want working hydrants. I wonder what their insurance brokers say about that one.
Interesting about the “fire sale” on houses as well. If some of that is the long-term residents fed up with the “newcomers”, maybe they should sit still for a while.
I like what Sophia said about “Newtown Tough”. If they’re so “resilient” why are they leaving?
I think the 7 7 bombing may provide a framework for the False Flag plan and execution. There was a well done documentary that I had seen and I think this is it.
A terror response drill is planned. Three innocent Arabs are requested by the planners to play the role of terrorists. The planners then detonate real bombs and accuse the Arabs as the evil terrorists and kill them. Some real injuries and deaths result and some planned actors and injured are inserted for adequate video and news propaganda.
Hegelian dialectic and Occams razor.
So the idea that the crisis is all real or all fake may be unrealistic and contradictory but when the evidence is considered in totality the big picture comes into view.
The Sandy Hook parents full time job now is acting as professional victims to push gun control.
Or perhaps like Robbie Parker…raise money for…themselves? Their community is Ogden raised $9k for the family in just a few weeks after the event. A beautiful gesture from good souls, surely. But…
1) The Emilie Parker memorial fund he set up practically right away…Who does that? I’d be a basket case for…ever. I see someone else said they set it up to help with “immediate needs”.
2) The Art Connection named after his daughter – site says it was formed to help kids w/art. Don’t see a way on the site to request a grant from their non-profit foundation here…but maybe they just aren’t at that point yet. Also, site thanks donors for supporting the Parkers…not “the program”…but “the Parkers”. Struck me as odd.
3) Mrs. Parker is “founder” of Safe and Sound, a Sandy Hook Initiative, too. Interesting…then there’s the hiring of a publicist. Maybe I’m being to “judgy”. But, wondering how much of their donations thus far they’ve given to schools/kid programs. So, is this some anti-gun thing?
http://safeandsoundschools.org/events/ (with SHook parent Michele Gay)
4) Then there is theparkefiveblog shortly after the event. Maybe in overwhelming grief I might set up a blog to help get it out. I don’t know. Maybe but not likely. I noticed in a recent blog entry there is a claim that several fund raising groups they thought they could trust used their daughter’s image to raise funds for their own benefit. Never heard that claim before and hope it isn’t true (Pozners had someone pretending to be a relative raising funds – was arrested). Is it the supposed friend who set up the fundraising page like the day of the event? Also, as they were set to move, the mother tells of taking pictures of the daughter’s room, then packing it up and painting over the flowers in the room. I don’t know but I couldn’t do it and further would’ve cut the drywall out, if possible to take them with me. But,everyone deals with grief in their own ways. Wonder there Robbie’s new job is…and who he’s working for.
Somewhere in this giant mess they said that each “victim” received $250K as well. Maybe the “wounded” got $125K, who knows.
Wow…that’s a lot of $.
I agree with you Carl..Ive seen this video and it tells it straight.. and Sandy Hook senario is very similar…active drills going on the same time.. trying to change the nations minds..through terror drills.. the common link with these to events are the video camera’s not working or not is use, lots of similarities, to numerous to mention. Thankyou for showing this.
Tammie – thank you that was a good interview. “Enjoy your life as you will be dead a very long time” Sophia Longstorm, hope I quoted that correctly. When you drill down to the SH home sales, many are foreclosures, or homes repossessed by banks that are attempting to sell them. The tax records reveal a big spike in assessed values in 2008, which is curious as that was the year of the housing crash. And in 2011, assessed values were drastically reduced, but property taxes still went up, that would be enough to force me to get out of town!
I’m curious if there is a yearbook that has both Ryan and Adam Lanza listed as 2 different people. I’ve seen many comments about Adam Lanza’s picture not appearing in the yearbook, but how about Ryan? Are there any yearbooks that have pictures of Ryan Lanza?
Brian, also the photos in the Lanza’s home looked to me like the same boy but at different ages.. it would be interesting if any one has found any yearbooks with both Ryan and Adam in. This should have been a reporters job.. Maybe they couldn’t find any.
I mentioned it before but it’s bothering me so I’ll say it again – the alleged bullet marks in the school. I have questions.
How do they fit with the official narrative?
Are they supposed to be misses or are the bullets alleged to have passed through flesh before impacting the walls?
If they are misses then doesn’t that increase the already impossible number of shots Lanza is supposed to have fired?
if they are supposed to have passed through flesh first then why is there no blood or tissue in the marks? There would just have to be if the bullet had previously gone through a person.
The bullet holes are definitely .224 rounds, the little .22lr version, fired one at a time, but I am convinced that they were not fired on 12-14-12. They are part of the props. The bullet holes look rather weak to me to be from a .223 round.
There are bullet holes and chips, and some have powder burns, indicating that they were fired from a distance of less than 2 feet. These are not random shots, but placed shots. Also, a .223 round will penetrate concrete block.
Very little blood props were used in this drill, unlike the Boston Bombing Hoax, which used too much blood.
The authorities are not as smart as we make them out to be.
Yes, it’s almost as if they took note of the comments about the absence of blood and then over-compensated at Boston – which is again very psychopathic. Because they have no comprehension of how other people think or of what seems plausible, psychopaths have to learn to perform proper responses by trial and error and observing the reactions of people around them. They’d say “ok, they seem to need to see blood, so throw a lot of red stuff around, maybe this will shut them all up.”
John, I have no idea how you came to these conclusions regarding the bullet holes or caliber of bullet. In fact an 224 AR has a higher powder capacity casing and will have higher velocities than a .223. I suppose a 22lr could have been used; .223 may or may not penetrate a concrete block determined by incident angle or if it was impeded in some way prior to impact. Also, it seems it was determined in the report a 5.56 NATO round was used,although police consistently spoke of a .223. I may be splitting hairs but it is important to understand the differences albeit small with respects to these two rounds: the 5.56 NATO needs to be discharged in a rifle with a MILITARY SPEC chamber due to the higher pressures and slightly longer “leade” (distance from mouth of case to where the bullet meets the inside of the barrel) of case. Most if not ALL AR sporting rifles sold today in the U.S. have a MIL SPEC chamber to accommodate the 5.56…the bushmaster supposedly used in the crime certainly could handle the 5.56 NATO, but for safety reasons a 5.56 NATO should not be used in a rifle that can only accommodate a .223.
My interest concerning bullet hole lies in the greed Honda Civic in the parking lot. The hole in the passenger side car door appears too large to be 5.56mm/.223 in. diameter round. It also seems highly improbable the damage to the vehicle was from shots fired from inside the school.
I was hoping for a forensic analysis of the vehicle but it is curiously missing…
MBrown, yes I noticed nothing about the analysis of the Honda Civic, wasn’t it supposed to be the teachers car.. sent back to her Father with bullet holes?.. if I remember rightly it looked as if the shots came from inside the car out.. and there was rust around the bullet hole.. looked like a car placed there just to look as though it had caught a shot.. do they not think that people would notice that..we have got a few good brain cells left… more than I can say for the people who fall for this story..
Hi Poppylavender…I’m inclined to think the same, too. But ballistics are funny…weird stuff happens to metal and such when met w/bullets. It looked like a newer car but perhaps it had rust (I have an old vehicle that has interior rust but the door is barely rippled on the outside). But, the fact that parking lot vehicles had these strange bullet holes and the cops seem oblivious to any shooting involving exterior bullets flying around makes a person wonder, huh?
Hello MBrown – interesting observations! Thanks for your post.
I’ve not been through all of the reports yet – but it would be weird that they didn’t include ballistic data for those parking lot vehicles when they did reports on the weapons themselves (supposedly). Likely redacted – eh? Can’t have it known that the po-po was shooting up vehicles. I had a bad cold while trying to get thru the ballistics info…so have to go back over it. Noted some missing dna on the weapons and his car, if I recall, however.
I saw that Adam had his own credit card – obviously Mrs. Lanza was paying the bills. You’d think she would question his purchasing mass amount of ammo…”Uh son, why did you buy 1000 rounds last month?”
Ammo has been expensive and hard to find, of course – so what’s up with that?
Reports say Adam had a pretty good supply more ammo on him (supposedly) – that must’ve weighed him down, eh? Guess that’s why ammo was scattered around the home and the outside and inside of the school, eh? Like someone went around and hand-scattered it – pretty weird. Amazing the little skinny whipper-snapper could do what he did in like 5 mins considering he looked anemic and anorexic.
ANYWAY – there was “supposedly” 1600 or 1700 rounds in the home. I saw some in the pictures but not that amount. I expected to see stacks of it. Why didn’t they photograph all of it? That’s pretty relevant. Geez, he/Nancy must’ve shopped for ammo before it became hard to get…or did a big ammo holder (FEMA) plant it there? I’d love to see the credit card receipts for that – unless Nancy was shopping (or sent Adam) for ammo with loads of cash.
The mind boggles…
Observation concerning item(s) found in the house:
Exhibit #612- One (1) holiday card containing a Bank of America check #462 made out to Adam Lanza for the purchase of a C183 (Firearm), authored by Nancy Lanza.
First, a C183 firearm does not exist so we must assume it is a typo which meant CZ83 (handgun); Second, Adam Lanza (DOB April 22 1992) at the time of his death, supposedly on December 14 2012, was 20 years 7 months and 22 days old.
Query: Why would his mother author a check for the purchase of a firearm over 4 months in advance of him being able to legally purchase/possess a handgun in Conn?
Good point MB- I assume that you are referencing is a photocopy of a cancelled check? BOA may destroy the hardcopy cancelled check very early in the clearing process…my guess is as soon as the images are recorded. I haven’t seen one of my actual BOA checks in years.
MBrown, I understand the ballistics The holes in the car are 9mm. The holes in the school were done with a .22lr. A .22lr will leave a chip in concrete block if it hits a joint or thick part, and will punch a hole through the hollow part. A .22lr is not as nearly as loud as a NATO round, or .223 for that matter. If those rounds went off, even for props, hearing protection would be a must, and the whole neighborhood would have been alerted, no matter the date or time. To make .22lr prop holes, well, that is rather safe and easy to do 😉
It’s amazing that there are no broken car windows in the parking lot with all of that “errant” shooting, lol!
That’s what I think too John. In terms of diameter you wouldn’t be able to tell the difference. The holes in the car are too big for .223 or 5.56. My guess is that it had nothing to do with the teacher. They probably got it from the impound lot (shot up or otherwise) and put it there. When the outside activity script got discarded it was no longer of any use.
Interesting thought Lophatt, regarding the impound origin of the car with emergent bullet holes. That triggers the thought- did the cars in the SHES parking lot that morning belong to all the people seen milling around the fire house and filing in and out of the fire house?
The cars can be checked by the vin#s on the report if someone has access to carfax.
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To M Brown RE:Exhibit #612- One (1) holiday card containing a Bank of America check #462 made out to Adam Lanza for the purchase of a C183 (Firearm), authored by Nancy Lanza.
First, a C183 firearm does not exist so we must assume it is a typo which meant CZ83 (handgun); Second, Adam Lanza (DOB April 22 1992) at the time of his death, supposedly on December 14 2012, was 20 years 7 months and 22 days old.
Query: Why would his mother author a check for the purchase of a firearm over 4 months in advance of him being able to legally purchase/possess a handgun in Conn?
In answer to your question, I don’t think there was a typo, but instead an assumption. The C183 is a very nice digital Kodak camera. The items collected and listed in the search warrant were mostly an assortment of innocent items, but listed as incriminating evidence. Knives were collected from the kitchen drawers!
A camera! How about that! Excellent, Sandy!!!!
The whole SHES set is just a prop. The Lanza home is also a prop.
I am beginning to wonder if the Sandy Hook Fire Department is also a prop?
Clearly the Fire House, if it really was one, was not used as one that day. If it was actually a Fire House–and it does not look to me like one–it’s a good thing there were no fires that day, because the House has a troupe of actors filing in and out of it in an endless circle.
I wonder: did we see any Firemen in the videos of the place? It was their House, after all.
There were lots of actors who played firemen in the film, seen on countless YT videos, some from as far away as Michigan. There are even interviews with neighbors, which have since been scrubbed from YT, who state that the drive was blocked with unmarked police cars, literally hundreds of them, as early as 8:00 am the day of the event. It sure makes it tough for the school buses to deliver 400 plus students at 9:05 am to make the starting time of 9:30 in this fairytale school, lol!
I’m curious as to wether that footage was really of the day of the alleged shooting, or if it was filmed earlier during one of their countless drills.
My understanding it is an ALL VOLUNTEER fire department. So, volunteers don’t “man/woman”the building 24/7.
Beth, in the beginning (sounds Biblical doesn’t it?), we were going on about “THE FIREHOUSE”. In my life I have never seen so much attention focussed around a firehouse. Where I live we have a paid fire department. I’ve lived where we had volunteers. It wasn’t manned full time.
They received new trucks, the place is big enough for at least a couple of firehouses. There’s some sort of “disaster center” as well. Talk about your “dooms day preppers”.
Here’s a link to budget info: http://newtown.patch.com/groups/politics-and-elections/p/first-selectman-s-budget-proposes-1-9-increase
I think what we saw was a federal “scene” set up for, ah, you know, that ah, “exercise” that was scheduled for that day. 🙂
“$1.2M” for a “volunteer” fire dept.? They’ve got new trucks. The building looks new (in fact, unused).
Not bad, huh? That’s a lot of fire “stuff”. With that kind of $$, wonder why they don’t have a few on-staff firefighters…lots of spendy real estate around there.
Yes, I think it is phony. Maybe it is just a vehicle for getting the federal funds (in other words, it is a bank account).
Here’s one of the “firefighters,” Katherine Will, who I believe is the daughter of Maureen Will, the director of “emergency communications” for Newtown:
Does this look like a firefighter? (In fact, she has a real estate license, as I found last spring.)
The website in fact shows that the Sandy Hook Volunteer Fire & Rescue Company had no calls on Dec. 14, 2012.
Dinophile, not even a call “for a shooting at SHES”. No calls, period.
My oldest is a volunteer f.f and if the building was being used as a safe-zone there should’ve been a call out to the volunteer first responders to get to the building to help. Very, very odd that there were no calls. Possibly another channel? Sorry, around here police and fire work on different ones here…but someone likely checked. Hmmm, if true, indicates it could’ve been set up in advance…
She looks kind of chunky. I hope no grown man ever has to be carried out of a collapsing building by this chick.
Welcome to Connecticut Patrick that is how we grow them out here.
Dino, yes, absolutely. That’s been all over it all the way through. Big, heaping bags of federal money. All that’s required is a little “cooperation”.
John, An inquiry is pending with Bill Bittar, editor of the Monroe Patch if we could discuss “fact checking ” regarding SHES (Newtown School district) students transfer to the Monroe School District Chaulk Hill facility at 375 Fan Hill Rd. The specific building according to a Parks and Recreation secretary I just talked to was inactive for “3-4″ years” until the alleged SHES students came over. Several other leads are in progress to triangulate the truth.
Regarding the discussion of
She looks no more like a firefighter than Adam Lanza looks like Rambo. They could have substituted a picture of Casper the Friendly Ghost in place of Adam Lanza, and most of America would be too indifferent to know the difference.
Thanks for the link, Beth. (I hate this, all of us being stuck in the far right column of a long series of comments and replies, so I’m breaking out of it, and suspect this will appear on the “newer comments” page.)
I love this:
“Lt. Thomas Wilkes said that explosives found in the apartment were so sophisticated and difficult to diffuse that the police actually considered letting the whole building burn down as a safer alternative to trying to diffuse the bombs, The Denver Post reports.
“We knew that building would go. The idea was, ‘can we defend the other buildings?'” Wilkes told the court.”
America is so stupid, it makes me want to cry. Is there no actual reporting in this country any more? What doe it take to work for the press these days? This is ridiculous. Wouldn’t Jimmy Olson, from Superman, cub reporter, have had enough innate talent to wonder if something doesn’t add up here?
“so sophisticated and difficult to diffuse.” How did they ascertain that? They had to go in through the window, using a cherry picker lift (how long did it take to procure/rent that, I wonder).
Wasn’t the guy supposedly all drugged out? Even if he gave them detailed instructions, was he able to be understood? Why would they believe him? Didn’t they want to know how he got the expertise to do a $200 million dollar-quality-hollywood-blockbuster style rigging job? Weren’t they curious why he’d create this masterpiece, and then no let it do what he built it for? If we are to trust this article, neither the police nor the press had any interest at all in these obvious questions.
I think I need to throw up.
Hi Patrick – the great thing is that we can get an email if someone responds to our posts so I received your note shortly after it went through the moderation. I agree – no one questions this stuff. How convenient for the powers that be that must laugh at the sheeple. Yet people like you, I and those here are likely in a bit of danger (IRS audit or ?) because of actively questioning…hear that NSA? We know you’re listening 🙂 I about laughed aloud when I read the “evidence” had to be thrown out — do they really think that so many of us are so stupid? Well ,wait a sec…they don’t care because no one will or can do anything about this (I hope I’m wrong) – we are trapped within an evil system it seems.
I think, and have hope, that there are more people that question this stuff than we are led to believe. The problem, I think is as you stated, “we are trapped within an evil system.” When the corrupt power is so widespread, it’s hard to get the broader voice like the media to do anything because they are so manipulated by the money and power. I had seen the article you mentioned about the school shooting in Scotland achieving the gun control years ago, and also read a story about an advisor to the Administration detailing what to do to get gun control passed. I was stunned that it actually made it into the media. It was a Yahoo news piece. I bookmarked it, but this was before I realized how quickly ‘news’ could be changed or disappear. It disappeared. We need to latch on to the old fashioned way of relaying information and keep talking and spreading the word so that people are informed. I have to believe that there are more of us who value truth and traditional American values. And btw, I have also had problems with my computer since these discussions – as someone else mentioned- and know someone who is now facing IRS problems out of the blue.
We really need to protect our LIBRARIES and don’t let them destroy actual books. The danger is in thinking we can digitize everything and keep it online. As we’ve seen, information is very easily altered–and controlled–when it is made available electronically.
In the meantime, here is more creepy information about the Sandy Hook “community” which I have discovered going through old issues of the Bridgeport Telegram.
We know about Fenn Dickinson, the former First Selectman of Newtown (that is what they call the town’s “chief executive”), who died in an accident having to do with construction of a road on May 17, 1955. The details about how this happened, including where it was, are never set forth. A park and a road are named for him in Sandy Hook.
Another First Selectman, Timothy B. Treadwell, died in a fire at his home on Zoar Rd. at 9:30 in the morning (issue of 2-21-72, p. 1). His wife and kids escaped. No information about what caused the fire. A town park is dedicated to him, too. (A commenter on “Sandy Hook Truth” a few months ago pointed out this is the name of the guy killed by a grizzly bear in Alaska a few years ago. Strange.)
The bodies of two boys were found suffocated in an earth pile near Sandy Hook Elementary School (wherever that is or was) (Nov. 18, 1974, p. 1). Their names were not provided.
I totally agree. We don’t need book burning any more, few are using the printed media to discover history. It’s dangerous to trust only online sources, but it’s so convenient, and we have a whole generation that’s not adept at library/printed media research. However, at our advantage is the breadth of sources available. With enough searching, there are still pieces of information that we can find quickly online. I see that there was an executive order from Governor Malloy for the school to be moved temporarily to Chalk Hill. http://www.governor.ct.gov/malloy/lib/malloy/eo_29_sandy_hook_elementary_school.pdf
But in doing a search of the Monroe CT schools, a supposed updated site about Chalk Hill still lists it as a 6th grade facility and says nothing about SH moving there. So much strangeness. The district got $90,000 for the updates they did.
Pat Llodra better watch out, eh?
You know – you two reminded me that there were some crazy murders in the Newtown area…this is just one of ’em (“The Woodchipper Murderer”).
Agreed Karen. Similar operations (to UK situation in 1996) occurred in NZ and Australia, according to what’s out there. Check out archive.org and see if you can input your saved news page and get a print for yourself. Hopefully you can find it. Yep, no controlled media is going to step up and question much of anything in the State’s…uh, FBI’s report (we know who probably wrote it…and the FBI definitely controlled and redacted it).
We are in big trouble here in the U.S. – the “gubbermint” can get away with just about everything and they’re proving it over and over…no repercussions. The sheeple will do as they are told and eventually people like us will either comply or ?
Last April I left a comment after an article on Yahoo about Sandy Hook. I wrote, “I don’t think anyone is buying it anymore.” The next day I had a notification of hundreds of thumbs up, and only nine thumbs down. Within a couple of hours after that, my comment disappeared.
I believe that this event will be nothing less than a watershed event in American perception and politics. People aren’t buying it.
I agree – I think 95% of people think the story stinks.
I happened across this article – which you may have read: How a 1996 school shooting in the UK brought about their anti-gun laws. I’d never read this – sorry it’s a CNN story….
Yes, I’ve read quite a bit about this. It’s become the model for gun confiscation.
Not only is this fake evidence of a non-scene, there is no sandy hook school. This website has a lot of deadlinks to non existing sites, regarding the non existent school. http://newtown.sandyhook.schooldesk.net/AboutUs/Scrapbook20122013/tabid/18959/Default. Wish we were major contributors to this fraud and could sue on the grounds we were scammed. But of course we were smarter than that, but wait there is still time can we make a contribution and sue on the basis of being defrauded?
The holiday season is over…what would you like to bet (sarcasm) that not a single news source will question a thing in the report? Nope, they thus far have only regurgitated some of the content. I will fall out of my chair if any real investigative reporter(s) jump(s) on the contents. Sorry to state the obvious.
I just reviewed many of the unredacted photos of the Lanza home which were included in the final investigation report. The house photos left me with the impression that a man, or group of men set it up to look like a functioning home for a family. For instance:
The kitchen is odd.
The cupboards hold a single matched set of cheap stoneware.
A scored cutting board is pictured in a drawer. It’s identical twin, even down to the scoring is pictured in the sink.
The few pots and pans in the cupboards are shiny and look like they just came out of a box. They aren’t classy anodized cookware either. The dishes in the sink are clean. The flooring under the sink looks construction-new.
The glassware is composed of matching Libby glasses. No mismatched odds and ends.
Almost everything in the fridge is either water or another type of beverage, and there do not appear to be any leftovers or prepared meals. The fridge interior is like new. The pantry is almost empty.
Although there were two cereal bowls in Adam’s game room, there was no trace of cereal or milk in the kitchen.
The coffee pot is unplugged.
She only owns five purses? Fancy shopping bags, dozens of shoes everywhere, and liquor are featured, as if to paint her as an irresponsible party-girl shopaholic, yet the house is filled with ghetto furniture from the 80’s, tacky housewares, and cheap posters downstairs in the main rooms instead of artwork. Stacks of new looking card board boxes store items all over the house.
Adam’s Nintendo Game system is older than he is, yet it has been cleaned and is dust free. It has a controllers on the floor next to it as if he used it frequently, but it does not appear to be plugged in. The DDR mat is not connected to anything.
In his bathroom are three packages of diapers. Nancy was not a grandmother. Also, there are three empty tubes of toothpaste set in a row like soldiers under the bathroom sink.
His Tech Club ID features one of the proven ‘shooped’ photos of our mysterious accused gunman, yet in the Tech Club group photo, no one is wearing Tech Club ID’s. ( I don’t know of any high school clubs that issue photo ID’s.)
Two of the framed photos are included in different rooms of the house.
Her phone was downstairs, as was her purse. Women usually keep them in the bedroom at night.
The deathbed and surrounding area are clean with the exception of a red stained towel on the bed, and one thin trickle on the wall. (Maybe someone didn’t want a lot of damage.)
The thermostat was set at 63 degrees, yet the actual ambient temperature was 70 degrees. This seems much too warm for mid-December in CT.
Still looking at the report…
My educated guess is that 36 Yogananda Street is a FORECLOSED home. I have seen several like it in my area before I recently purchased one, for literally pennies on the dollar.
What I find most odd is the broken garage door. It is not damaged from forced entry, exit, or lifting as it has no dents, yet the lowest half is hanging on one hinge from the middle section of the door. The door is attached to an auto garage door opener. The police would never force entry from a garage anyways, yet the fire-door going into the kitchen looks to be jimmied.
Hi John! I’m thinking (just a non-educated guess) that every entry was breached when the police went to the Lanza home. Not knowing what was inside they likely did the “SWAT” sort of technique to enter (every unit breached at the same time) in case someone was inside.
Would that include the garage door? I would think not due to the trouble it would take to mess w/a big double door (and noise)- so agree with you. But you never know when the testosterone gets pumping in these police folks.
Could there have been a concern an occupant would go screaming out of the garage when the cops came? Sure. But, you’d think both garage doors would’ve just been blocked. Maybe one of the cops got over-eager and smacked into one of the doors when it was being blocked w/a police vehicle.
Alternatively, perhaps the door was in a state of disrepair earlier and it finally fell apart when Adam went out w/the car the last time.
As someone has since noted – Even my teens made note that Mrs. Lanza’s phone left downstairs was super suspicious ..if she was so security-concerned she’s have it with her even if she had a land line. Did Adam take her phone from her to go through it to delete messages and left it downstairs? Was he looking for other messages concerning the “school” she was planning to put him in out of state?
Was there a Christmas tree? or perhaps pictures of Christmas cards? Amazing that the holiday was less than two weeks away.
Based on Sandy’s keen observation of a thermostat set on 63 with an ambient temperature of 70 in New England, this had to be filmed prior to 11-15-12 or after 4-1-13….based on weather records alone….
According to “reports” Adam, who seemed to run the show at the Lanza house, “Did not permit his mother to put up a Christmas tree. “
Who doesn’t have a digital thermostat these days? That one is pretty old school.
As per prior reports, “Adam didn’t allow her to put up a Christmas tree”.
Hmmm…I’m a parent to many but none that have mental challenges…but it seems this woman (mom) was an enabler from the beginning or she just gave up. Maybe Christmas wasn’t important to her either…and that’s okay.
In other household matters, however, it seems that this real or fictional character just let the real or fictional Adam run the show as she didn’t seem to want to be the parent… to an extreme == Guns, a car…really? If they weren’t Air-Soft guns, was she insane?? + He never left the house but she got him a car – did he drive the car while medicated? She allowed him to get a driver’s license (maybe had one?) and if so, did they lie on the application about his severe mental illness? Otherwise, did a physician sign off on his ability to drive? Wow! Generally those meds will make a person even less capable of driving (unsure when he “went off his meds”).
Appreciated is your time, documentation and keen observations.
Yes I noticed all those things mentioned above.. and one other thing I noticed there was no toilet roll in the upstairs toilet, just a small thing but usually if a house is used you have these things at the ready. There was one in the en-suite of nancy’s bathroom.. but no luxury at all in the house, it looked like a run down small oldfashioned house with no real evidence that people lived there.. Plenty Junk in the cupboards, it looked as if the house hadn’t been maintained over the years, and what was that noise in the basement? I thought at first a generator.. then I suppose it was some kind of boiler.. very noisy.. Where did Adam sleep? I have boys and my house looks nothing like this, it didn’t look like a home, Anyone with boys in the family would know what I mean…!
It looked like an episode of Hoarders to me, perhaps they got the scripts wrong, lol!
How do we know that this was filmed/photographed at 36 Yogananda St., Sandy Hook, CT, and not 123 Main Street, Quantico, VA???
🙂 We sure don’t. That’s why I was looking for the house record via the property records search as many jurisdictions have sketch outlines of how the building was laid out. Can’t access anything – even on that street – for some reason.
I know they’ve lived there for a while (since ’96 or ’98) but the house doesn’t look too old…but the entry way is so small and the stair case going to the upper level was way off. Bad building design or different house?
Foyers are typically MUCH larger in a house of that size, and the staircase is not just a mere 3-4 feet from the ugly front door, but set back at least 15-20 feet in even the cheapest of McMansions. The government narrative is just full of errors, almost as many as Obamacare.
Beth I looked up properties for sale in Yoganda St – Zillow homes came up, no 36. it said not for sale.. ( so why was it on ) it was built 1998, 2.19 acres.. last sold July 1998 for $405.900. S/family 3,162 sq ft. 4 beds 3 baths.. rent est $2,915 mo. ( presume monthly) Did this look like a High End house built in 1995. Its Photo looks like a huge mansion – nothing like the video they have shown shown with small living areas and a small entrance with stairs almost immediatly inside..it just doesn’t fit as you say. I read way back that she had workmen in the house doing the floorboards re polishing them in the entrance and hall and she was very particular, did any one else read this? I think it was the emails she was sending to her so called friend.. I shall have to watch the video it again to see if there is polished floors throught.
Hi PV! Yeah, saw the zillow stuff – they just list info from county records as comparisons – that’s what the “nonlisting” info is. You should be able to find the same on your home or others.
The county person in the property dept had supposedly responded to the houses that looked “free” on their property info site and explained the records were just re-done which was bazaar as it looks more like a records corruption since they left it that way. Maybe they are in process of updating records and that’s why I can’t access a single house on the Lanza’s street or certain others. Curious, however.
Yep, I am in total agreement with you and our peers here – that so much doesn’t add up in the video.
We’re still laughing about lifting the toilet seats in the video and no towels around. Obviously Adam was OCD and it looks like paper towels were used for hands but where is the laundry in this house? No towels hanging in the shower? If Adam truly changed clothes “20 times a day” then she either did the laundry and put it away prior to her demise or there should be a stack o’ laundry piled up for at least Adam. But, who knows…maybe she did laundry every day, all day.
A few people have mentioned diapers in storage yet no grandchildren exist (that we know of…from Ryan). Who would let Mrs. Lanza babysit a small one with a mentally ill person in the house — and it was stated that no one ever really went into their house. What possible use would one have for children’s diapers. Adam was skinny but would still wear an adult diaper, if he required one.
Maybe this house was being rented and was furnished by someone else? MORE LIKELY, the supposed Lanza house on video just is not their house – at least in much of the video, eh?
Yes I agree, Beth D, you get the feeling it was a rented home, I looked at the video again the entrance was tiled with a rug or mat before the stairs started, not wood, as I thought was mentioned in the emails to her friend. The kitchen was all wood flooring so maybe it was that.. even so there is nothing in this house that says is was a home. maybe he was looking for dumps in the toilet…haha…I looked at a house in Dickinson drive about the same price and 4 bed etc., The kitchen and living rooms looked more spacious – the hallway and stairs wider, I know all the houses will not be the same but from the outside this house in Yolanda Street looks much larger than the video.. Its dark outside so you can’t see the surroundings.
Hi PV! Thanks for your note! You got me thinking about the developer of the Lanza home or homes on that street – they look like the same developer anyway. If I could see the county info on the place, we could see who the Lanza family purchased the house from (as it was brand new, I believe). It would be interesting to see if the builder designed homes with similar styles (truly crappy entry ways and stairways).
Interesting street name…Yogananda is a famous Indian Yogi (I’m not into yoga so this was news to me). He apparently was into self-relationship and “world brotherhood colonies”—people living in the same place as their home, job, and church in one place. Lots of the yogi-based centers in that region of the country. So, maybe the developer/builder was a follower. That’s usually how these streets get their names, as you may know.
You’ll love this: Paramahansa Yogananda is crediting with once saying, “Anger gives birth to jealousy, hatred, spite, revengefulness, destructive instinct, wild ideas, brain paralysis, and temporary insanity – any of which may lead to terrible crimes.” (see link but I read elsewhere as well): http://www.yogananda-srf.org/HowtoLive/Overcoming_Anger.aspx#.UsdcffRDvNk
Anywhoo…this street is apparently also known as Bennett’s Farm subdivision. I found a neighbor’s listing for 33 Yogananda (link below) -Lanza’s are “36” – anyway, this place sold…six months before the shooting. But, it sure looks like the it is a similar developer. This house has more sq ft, and a decade newer, however.
Similar house just past the Lanza place – now this is the entryway (see pic) that I would expect. http://www.berkshirehathawayhs.com/homes-for-sale/CT/Newtown/6482/4-Cider-Mill-Rd-88867121
Boy, some of these houses are like the “Stepford” of the housing industry. Sorry, just a style I guess: Here’s one in the same subdivision looks to be of similar age and size – NOTE larger stairs: http://c21branfordct.com/properties/458852-98542390-5-clapboard-ridge-rd-newtown-ct-06470
Well, now you know about the Yogi of Yogananda…boy, his quote there is sure haunting.
I am surprised that “The Lanza House” is still standing. There are adequate funds in the budget to make sure that it gets razed in 2014, and sooner rather than later.
The powers that be wouldn’t want the house listing to appear so different from the house as it supposedly appears in video…if that’s not the case – then they surely wouldn’t wan a new owner to find something they should have found 🙂 Only a pretty odd duck would want a house where a murder was supposedly committed anyway – so I could see the heir razing it and selling the land. That sort of permit would get expedited, I would think – in the spirit of “community service” (make it go away).
I wonder what’s holding up that estate. Obviously it took time to see if the three named executors would serve (all declined) but it has been quite a while. It looks like the ex was determined as “null” since the will wasn’t updated (supposedly) after the divorce and the estate would go to the surviving son. Wonder what complications might be…maybe the printer in charge of Obama’s death certificate can’t get the Lanza death certificates right (so sorry, couldn’t resist).
Maybe it was found she hadn’t filed taxes since her divorce or something weird like that (giving them a benefit of the doubt here). Mrs. Lanza’s fiduciary (named by the court) had received a prompting from the court to get moving on filing the accounting (part of the first steps) but it didn’t look like much had happened all of these months later. Found a law firm’s timing guide for CT (probate etc) : http://www.rc.com/documents/Enews/Planning%20Pointers%20-%20Estate%20Settlement%20Process%207-04.pdf
Maybe the accountant is still busily going thru the tax reporting documents, receipts, etc. Guess all of that alimony was spent quite nicely on trips. Reportedly, Nancy Lanza traveled extensively, the following list is JUST for 2012:
+ The Swank New Hampshire hotel stay not long before the murder, too
This travel reminds me: Have you seen the “reports” that Nancy Lanza was a CIA spook? I cracked up laughing and then stopped and thought – geez, Fast & Furious, Benhgazi started w/a video (yeah, right) – and maybe anything is possible in the “Matrix”. Yep, maybe she and Adam (if he existed) are on a beach in Figi. May she is “put down”. Her ex is silenced or faces LIBOR investigation or what have you… and John Luv – we have a beautiful work of fiction here….let’s write it (we can co-author). But, then again, so much just doesn’t add up and nothing surprises me anymore w/the government.
Beth, just a couple of small points (since I can’t resist).
The laundry room appeared to have a TINY washer and dryer, much like the ones sold for small apartments.
Because of there being no frame of reference in the video (I was getting dizzy!), or any logical order, I was having a hard time keeping track of what was represented as “Ryan’s” room and “Adam’s”.
The damage to the garage door is indeed strange. One whole lower panel is broken on one side.
Someone would still be responsible for paying the property taxes.
Other than that, Nancy may be playing pinocle with Babs Olsen.
Hi LopHatt…good one! Yes, I found myself leaning with the camera at times 🙂 Good spot on the laundry — imagine doing as much laundry as she supposedly did (Adam changing 20x /day) on those babies…and downstairs?? She had MS, for crying out loud!! Who does that? Aren’t people with MS scared of falling? Everyone I know who has it is (and no, I’m not elderly w/elderly friends) – but I have fibro and sons. Why wouldn’t she have had the laundry updated AND moved upstairs? She had the money! Trips overseas! C’mon…that’s just odd.
In all seriousness, concerning the contents of the Lanza Home, if I had to place a value on an inheritance tax form, I would confidently fill in a figure of $5000 for the entire inventory of the home….this includes books, electronics, furnishings, appliances, tools and clothes….essentially everything. I know that this number is overstated, but that is the number I would put on the form….I would use the video inventory graciously supplied by the state to back up my numbers….and if it were ever audited, it would hold up in any court of law in this land.
JohnLuv – I can see that ($5k) figure unless there was jewelry in a safe…the contents are Goodwill inventory.
Beth, just out of curiosity, any idea how many other “Yogananda St.s” there are? Or for that matter, streets named after “famous Yogi’s”?
That seems an odd choice for a subdivision.
You got me – could be a few here and there and overseas. I actually saw a blog where someone asked “Why is there a street named….” – a few years before the Lanza event. Someone responded that they knew someone who lived on the street and they’d try to find out – but there is no follow-up reply.
Just bazaar some of this stuff. Doesn’t it sometimes feel like the universe or something else is trying to tell us something?
Most excellent observations!
Good research Beth. According to the narrative, Ryan John Lanza would indeed be the heir apparent. No one has interviewed, spotted, photographed or read an article on any surviving Lanzas. To date, no one can prove that they even exist. The one posing as Adam Lanza’s aunt in one of the YT videos looked like a crack whore with missing teeth. The budget for this entire Government production was very high, but unfortunately the funds started drying up and spending was cut by those horrible Republicans, lol!
I am sure not one single entity portrayed in the Sandy Hook Elementary School Massacre is, or has ever been a real person, including the entire Lanza family. I feel the same way about the Aurora shooting and do not believe a word of any Libor scandal connection.
I sincerely doubt that James Holmes is rotting in a Federal prison anywhere. There are only two options for him, he is either (a) deceased or (b) just another CIA employee on the payroll.
Here is the only “relative” of “Adam Lanza” ever interviewed….
It is all very interesting indeed. It all comes down to “Why” and that is difficult to answer. Big family conversation about this here and we decided that the real “why” behind these events, if staged, as I’m the only one overly fascinated with this stuff here. I shared that I think that it isn’t always a single event – but the continued successes at pulling the wool over the sheeples eyes – that’s the goal. I think already we have an astounding percentage of the population that is so asleep that martial law could happen on Monday and they’d be fine with that…since they’ve been trained to think the gubbermint knows best. Frightening.
Just as an aside on “Holmes”. How many guys do you know who’s eyes change from brown to hazel?
Also Beth, as always we can follow the money. Apparently CT is not hungry for their fair share of “The Lanza estate, which is not uncommon when (a) there is little money or (b) there is no estate because there is no death/existence of the individual. I have been in accounting for a long time and believe me, the government wants its money, even from poor estates.
Well John, they probably had a screwup down in the script department and they gave her the earlier version. Someone ought to speak to them in “Casting” though. She looks like somebody who would be more at home in a single-wide in Missouri than a relative of “P.J. the tycoon”.
True John. You have a good mind for this – you’re accounting and I’m in the “rules and regs” business 🙂 Great teamwork around here!
Listening to the video of ‘ The Aunt’ again, she sure got things mixed up.. or did she? what did she mean by ‘ Peter was gone!.’ PJ…as she called him… has anybody seen him since the episode?.. we only have a reporters tale of speaking to him on his drive the day it happened and apparently he then fled with his wife.. to where we do not know..!
Poppy – Supposedly Peter had met w/some of the victims’ parents. He had moved into his second wife’s house way back then (he’d had an apt way back when) and I see they put that house up for sale in late summer ’13. Probably still on the market – who would want to deal with drive-bys and possible vandalism from folks who think the former owner was still there.
Isn’t it interesting that his employer (GE) pulled all lending to gun firms in 2013? Those little financing pulling things just whizzed me and the hubbie off…was that part of GE’s deal to get zero tax, too?
Some employees apparently very close to Mr. Lanza were indicted in the LIBOR scandal. Looks like he had a few reasons to lay low, eh? Maybe. Was that another reason for him to play in a ruse?
A few people have questioned an on-line photo album of Mr.Lanza’s that apparently posted pics (I’d see a few)…none of Adam which raised some red flags. Weird. Maybe Adam didn’t meet Peter’s “perfect” family big executive image, but I don’t like to say things like that when I don’t know the person. Oops, I just did. Sorry. All speculation, of course. I just can’t imagine posting an album on-line, excluding a child – knowing that child was computer-saavy and would likely see it. That’s just cruel. Maybe Adam refused to be photographed (although there apparently are photos of him).
The guy has refused all interviews. I find that interesting. A big exec should understand “public relations”. Aside from meeting w/some or all of the parents during his long hiatus from his job…riddle me this?
While it is difficult to say how you and I would actually conduct ourselves given a horrific situation…How many of us here in this forum…if in the same scenario…would not want to grant a single well-controlled interview to acknowledge the event and how sorry we are for the pain our supposed son caused and perhaps even anything that our parenting (or lack thereof) would’ve contributed to the act? It especially is odd since the sister-in-law was interviewed and she complained how the family’s kids are taunted and all of the Lanza’s are eyeballed (in a less than friendly manner) when they pull out a debit/credit card to pay for things and people see the name. The continued silence just amplifies that atmosphere, does it not?
Beth, one thing that I can assure you of…all of these names used in these stories never go with the face/picture that we are shown. I know this, I used to work for the government.
Beth, I hadn’t thought about the Libor angle. That has some promise. Holder’s DoJ is holding the cards on that. “Peter” is supposedly an executive in their tax division. So you have DoJ and IRS.
I wasn’t aware of the lending policy change. Then there’s the “child support” angle, although I don’t understand any of that alleged ruling. He’s too old and she has obviously worked (according to the story).
It’s important to keep in mind that it is a story. I would have to assume that any element in such a story would be there for a reason, even if only for confusion.
I have to say, however, after having looked at stuff like this for several years, some of their stories are not very convincing. In fact, sometimes they read like they were written by a “profiler”.
Poppy, in the context of the “aunts” conversation, I think she meant that “PJ” was dead. Remember the early accounts had “Ryan” shooting his dad? That didn’t grow wings so they wrote it out. I think she was playing off the original script.
Many people that I talk to believe that we are fully engulfed in “1984.” I tell them all, “Nah, 1984 was thirty years ago, we are now in Logan’s Run!”
🙂 Well, I’m glad you are surrounded with folks who are awake!
As lophatt said the washer/dryer looked old and small and I would question how she would keep going down there, if she had MS like they said.. They have dug their hole now..saying she had this but her home was not equipped for a disabled person, or anyone with a mobility problem, nothing adds up, if she was off to Hotels all over the world.. does this sound like a person with MS? when you follow their story that she had money, did the beds look like they had good bed covers or did they look slept in.. one in room in the basement it looked like a bed was covered in boxes, it was very dark.. No light? didn’t looked used.. more of a dumping ground. If you were wearing good PJ’s, you would want your sheets to be 600 thread count..!
Another “big news” Connecticut “crazy” with no apparent motive attempts to supposedly ram her car into the White House? You know, at the time, I didn’t even realize she was from CT. I see that’s a mere 50 mins from Newtown, CT.
Is there something in the water there or is this an interesting cowinkydink? More like another “fake out”.
Miriam Carey, dental hygienist from Stamford, Connecticut in October 2013 who has a toddler in the car just decides to try to ram the White House and go nuts? Amazingly she didn’t have a gun as we’d all expected to hear…yet the police pump her with bullets to get rid of the evidence. She had a lockbox with documents – including a check to cashed ($1800)and a lease for a NY apartment. Really? A was she moving? Did someone set her up w/a new life (new apartment) and promise her something? No one knows what supposedly set her off and it quietly disappeared.
Whatever it was (and someone had a video of two adults in the car that was driving around in circles) – the event occurred during the federal government shut-down and if memory serves, it was an unusual event where capital city police were called on to protect the White House, not the usual federal ones. So it looked like a demo that DC police were capable of protection, so “Don’t try anything!” That’s my interpretation of this circular firing squad.
Yep, Ms. Carey is from Governor Malloy’s hometown. 2013 was a big year for the Governor as he seemed to be connected to a number of active shooter situations. If you recall, her attempt to breech concrete barricades surrounding the White House, with an infant in the car, occurred about the same time a robotic Congressional stenographer took center stage to rant about Freemasons.
Ms Smallstorm has suggested a mental health agenda in Washington, and I think these events were staged to fuel public support.
The Miriam Carey Capitol shooting incident was another staged event… the unedited version of the video illustrates that the cameraman was set up precisely in line to have a precise view of the car pulling up to the barricades. The staging begins with the woman (holding a sign) walking toward the camera. Watch carefully. It’s clear the cameraman or director of the video cues her to turn around… notice how she “overacts” to feign surprise as she turns quickly. It’s so fake, it’s laughable:
I remember yelling at the TV when all of the cops had surrounded the car: “Shoot out the tires you idiots”. I’d never seen such incompetence they were obviously told to stand-down OR they are absolutely paralyzed.
I wonder if Miriam Carey is really dead? We never did see a body. They could have used a stunt driver….I doubt that a dental hygienist would have the skills to evade the police for a while in a “chase scene.”
Hi John – I’d read that she said Obama was somehow controlling her. Geez, he can hardly control himself…Anyway, these weird statements from those in the news (for insane reasons) makes a person want to spend a late cold night reading about these mind-control conspiracies…but I’ve got a novel I’m working on. I’ve read some of that before and as I’ve said before, “Nothing would surprise me.” 🙂
As always, if this were real, there would be a pending lawsuit in the 7 figure range…
True, John Luv!!!!
I remember hearing the DC Dental hygienist story blaring over the infinite airport TV’s during a gate change hike …..saying to myself – “what a sickening fabrication” and now hearing you talk about it Beth it makes me believe that the cops were written into the script.
Oddly, the last name of my dental hygienist at the time was the same as in the dramatic fabrication- Carey….which made me listen more intently.
Wow – bet that got your attention (Is that my dental hygienist? Did she finally go off after the 5th kid came in for a cleaning after eating a pack of Oreos?).
Even our young sons watching it on TV were like, “What the heck is up with those cops?” They were so close to the car in the infamous scene they could’ve reached down and blew her tires. What a crock.
Beth, I read the entire Carey story and the link where she may have Obama’s baby in tow. I immediately dismissed that theory since Obama would be far more attracted to “the babysitter” Ryan Kraft than Ms. Carey.
True that…I’ve read some interesting stuff on Bathhouse Barry…ever look at those folks who have died that are/were known to him? Including a few gay young men from his “church” – who met their demise execution style. Wonder if anyone has a stained dress/pants w/some DNA in their closet.
I have been exactly at the scene of this drama several times. The bollards shown are “ornamental” bollards. The “real” bollards are out in the street surrounding the White House in all directions. The cops have switches in their cars and can raise and lower the. They’re huge. It would stop a tank.
So, if there was really a “chase” round and round all they’d have to do is throw the switch. End of chase.
Yes, indeed. Very insightful. Thank you, Sandy – great input.
Beth, I can add another “Connecticut Crazy” item. Our Dear Leader’s Social Security Card is the one issued to a former resident of the looney bin there. I can’t remember the name right now but he died years ago and Obongo took it over. The story is that he never lived in Connecticut.
The man who originally held the card was born in Russia, lived most of his life there and was committed in his 80’s, having had the cheese slide off his cracker.
For a little place, it gets its share of weirdness.
Connecticut must be huge with all of the recent lunatic activity of its citizens.
Don’t forget what happened in CT on November 4th. Central Connecticut College was locked down for three hours while a SWAT team responded to an armed man on campus wearing camo gear and carrying a sword. The reaction from the public was consistent – to demand more gun control and mental health laws.
Here is a cut and paste of a typical comment:
“Hopefully the House will pass another resolution to repeal ACA in response to this since they won’t pass anything to try and stop the weekly shootings in this country. No one will do anything about that because the sheep on the right live in fear and would rather have bodies in the streets than actual background checks that can prevent lunatics from being heavily armed.”
Sandy, I’m all for it, Samurai Sword control, its about time!
I think its safe to say that, for whatever reason, Connecticut has been chosen as some sort of model and center. In the item I posted above, re Obongo’s SSN, I meant that the guy he took the number from lived in the Newtown area for many years, according to the story I read.
There were psychological experiments connected to the CIA’s mind control program carried out at “Fairfield Hills” (I think that’s the name), for many years. That would be an interesting line of inquiry in itself as to how he came by it.
The D.C. thing was clearly staged. I am familiar (from all my visits) with the site. There are hydraulic bollards in the street where the “chase” occurred that would stop a tank. All the cop cars have switches to activate these.
We are being fed a steady diet of garbage. To me it seems obvious. They stage an event, then they trot out the Newtown Cheerleaders to model the expected behavior. These guys are running their agenda. The only question is whether we’ll cooperate.
Well said on the CT connection.
Excellent post, Sandy! Yes, I do remember this now!
Yes, I remember that now (Obummer’s ssn# issue) Sounds like we could write a book on the weird stuff in and from just CT!
Here’s a link. I have a better one but I’m having trouble finding it.
Hi Lophatt, Thanks for sharing this link. I took a peak at it but will go through it all the way tomorrow. Unreal.
I have to chuckle about a comment I made late last week here – something to the effect of “What is it about the State of CT? Is there something in the water there??”…realizing later than my Dad’s father and mother ended up in CT after the came to the U.S. in the early 1900s. Now I’m curious about where they lived (came separately…met and married in CT). I hope it isn’t anywhere near creepy Newtown 🙂
Thankfully, I have no ties to Chicago 🙂
Here’s the other one. The connection to SHES is that the story for this and his upbringing is every bit as bizarre.
From a MHB Reader:
Comment: I was intrigued by the striking similarities of the Sandy Hook kids at the superbowl.
I recalled a 60 minutes clip whereby some people are “super recognizers”
I wonder perhaps if Dr Tracy might be able to get an honest opinion from Dr Kanwisher at MIT?
see references below:
Jennifer Jarrett on 60 minutes :
Here is the person we can contact if she can research without undue influence due to circumstances
Internet dating when you’re a super-recognizer
or this MIT researcher possibly ?
That’s quite an ability. I know that I don’t possess it. I notice that her page doesn’t work (at least for me).
Everyone see’s Obama “Executive Actions” today? WTF is that – a non-executive order? I haven’t read the AP release yet:
I am sure this means that a Health Insurance Card in good standing will be a requirement for all firearm and ammo purchases. Also, a yearly mental health screening is coming very soon to a city near you…failure to comply will result in your loss of 2nd A rights…..Where is Carl/Callahan to chime in on this development???
As with ObummerCare, I will not comply 🙂
Let me just say that, because of my work, I have to deal with federal law quite a bit. In forty + years of doing that I have never seen anyone abuse the system like this guy. He confuses everybody with it because it is so unorthodox.
He issues “Executive Orders” and “clarifications” without going through the public review process routinely. Apparently Congress (ha!) refuses to do its job and call him on it.
For all intents and purposes we have a “king”.
Lophatt, that’s the absolute truth! Dictator Obummer seems to do as he wishes – it is a travesty.
JohnLuv had mentioned a video of Adam Lanza’s aunt – went looking but this popped up. Wow – babysitter, “Never turn your back on him (Adam) for a second, not even to go to the bathroom”. WTF? What sitter doesn’t ask questions about something like that?
Note – this “sitter” also started an Internet fundraiser – $50k by the time it went to the news? Really? Wow, there was some seriously big money donated. I’d love to see an accounting of all of it…
Here is missing video – so sorry for the double post:
JohnLuv had mentioned a video link
of Adam Lanza’s aunt – went looking but this popped up. Wow – babysitter, “Never turn your back on him (Adam) for a second, not even to go to the bathroom”. WTF? What sitter doesn’t ask questions about something like that?
Note – this “sitter” also started an Internet fundraiser – $50k by the time it went to the news? Really? Wow, there was some seriously big money donated. I’d love to see an accounting of all of it…
Who the heck hires a gay man to babysit their boys??? When I linked on the youtube video, a gay dating site was linked with it, wth???
JohnLuv – Could be a stray gay ad since there was a comment on the video about him being gay. He’s apparently an aerospace engineer. Wait, LinkedIn pic…guy arm around him. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Plus, it says he went to Univ of MI (as a Spartan by proxy, I threw up a little in my mouth). Did you see he went on to raise like $150k? Geez – JohnLuv, I wanna see the accounting for these funds – did it all go towards gun control? Trips for the gun control Sandy Hook folks to go around speaking about this topic? I would love to know.
How many teens (many of whom watch horror flicks) would blinding nod their head (“OK, ok, ok”) as Mrs. Lanza warns him not to turn his back on him for a second…not even to go to the bathroom. He said he didn’t ask questions. Excuse me – not even, “Ah, ma’am, will he hurt me?” Really? So, he’s the book smart; street dumb guy that is stereotyped in the slasher movies, I guess. Now, what kind of mother leaves her medicated kid with a teenage sitter (babysit had said in another report he didn’t even think Adam could talk – was doped up). I’m sorry, but maybe I’m overly protective (I couldn’t leave my dog with a sitter). But then again, I’m not playing into the narrative too much.
I would have trusted Gene Rosen more to babysit my ten year old than this guy, lol!
Oh, geez – Rosen..no way. He gave me the shivers.
Beth, lets hope none of it is real. If he was little when “macho man” babysat, why did he say he threw tantrums “like a little kid”? How could she go traveling if he was that disturbed?
If he knew them “ten years ago” weren’t she and Peter still married? I have an autistic daughter who is now 40 and lives with us. We can’t just go and leave her alone.
My guess is you’re right about getting a “gay” ad in there somewhere. Maybe he’s Baha’i as well, who knows.
Hi there – Hmmm, good questions. I’m so sorry about your daughter.
Babysitterman was interviewed in 2012, estimates it was 10 years ago…(this guy is supposedly an aerosp. engineer…my bro is an engineer and would’ve given a date – how their brain works, like “I babysat him in 2002”.) The Lanza’s divorced in 2009- and surely he had moved out at least months prior: SO YOU ARE CORRECT!
Good catch that the babysitter seems to somehow give the impression that it was just the mother. Where was Dad at the time? Working – staying off-site? Maybe that was how that relationship worked – Dad worked 24/7 and Mom stayed home.
Interesting that the Lanzas have an unstable child (“don’t turn your back on him for a second”) who is medicated – and you leave him with a teenage boy? Who does this??
Beth, well it’s one way or another. Either the story is totally made up, or based on some form of reality. One of the problems is that the story itself has conflicts. One version has her as a “stay at home Mom”, another as working at some sort of financial brokerage. While doing this she is, allegedly, jetting off all over the country and to Europe, and occasionally going to a VERY elite resort where many CFR’ers hang out.
That is an interesting comment about engineers. In my work I am surrounded by them. I’m the polar opposite. I go from large to small, everything is interconnected. They get stuck on details and it drives me mad. Some of them can’t connect the dots or see the consequences. I’m always telling them “I can explain it to you, I can’t understand it for you”. They keep saying; “wait, just answer yes or no”.
Anyway, you’re right. They would tell you PRECISELY what day it was. Something like that would be VERY “important” (for some reason). I’ve learned to just keep as quiet as I can. It hurts to try and explain something.
I agree lophatt, Engineers that I know, talk precisely, their knowledge of measurement scale of time etc tends to make me close my mind off to what they are saying.. as I can’t calculate everything – I wonder why they don’t think about what is happening in the world today, it seems to go over their heads, yet to me an Engineer is the profesion that should have a voice in this global conspiricy, ( for want of a better name) … for what I have read about Nancy, if its true, she had the money to get help for her son, she had time … one story said she worked for the CIA, another story said she was a stay at home Mum.. but if she was jetting off to differnt countries I would say that was part of her work.. not a holiday.. Did she have a son a home.?. would you leave an Autistic son home alone.. ? I am seriously thinking the family or part of the family were made up. Hence the bungle of the narritive from the Aunt..
Lophatt, you’re so funny and so right on about those engineers. Everyone has a gift…that’s what I tell myself 🙂 God love ’em, we need engineers, too.
OK, I have “financial compliance” geek background: I’m trying to figure this out today: Nancy Lanza apparently “didn’t have to work” but was described by her sister-in-law (Marsha Lanza) as being in finance – last working out of (likely her house) a Morgan-Stanley branch office in Hartford. Supposedly she hadn’t “worked in some time” yet the broker/dealer kept her license active – and in fact STILL has it active. #1, it is prohibited to “park” a license and #2 – M.Stanley is a FINRA member (self-regulatory entity) and they are required to terminate her registration within 30 days or face a fine for every 30 days it is left active. Why is it still active? That’s quite an “oversight” as the entity was just billed for her 2014 renewal fees, if that’s the case.
So, prior to her “sabbatical” (or whatever it was) I wonder where she had all the time to solicit prospective clients for assets and to manage them? Remember, she was homeschooling, too on top of everything else she was involved in.
Wonder if, as we sometimes see in the biz, the ex-husband was filtering the investment business to her because he was prohibited from engaging in it w/individual clients…and she was “sharing” the fees. That’s illegal and could get a person barred (on the brokerage side but a CPA – if Lanza was – could lose his designation as a result. I’ve seen these little schemes few times. Not impossible in light of the “reportedly” friendly relationship. Plus, it would help fund their stiff alimony arrangement, too. Maybe the jig was up or she threatened the ex.. and he used Adam….I don’t know.. could be a wrong track. If one of her clients spoke up – that would help clear the air perhaps.
Anyway…Off topic – Another direction:
Why did Nancy die if not by Adam’s hand? It has been substantiated that Mr. Lanza had nothing to do w/LIBOR..he’s a tax guy…so he could have info on nasty tax business for the no-tax paying employer (GE) that he’s shared with her (?) unlikely — but could there be anything else? I’ve alluded to the $3m in alimony the guy was bound to for the next several years (think: who has a motive).
GE Financial pulled financing from gun companies after the Sandy Hook shooting – so did some other companies. Hmmm, planned in connection with this “event”?
Why so much “bad blood”?
I’d read that Peter Lanza’s sister-in-law mentioned in an interview earlier in 2013 that she had tried to contact Nancy Lanza’s brother (the retired police officer) but he refused to have contact. It was in an article where she discussed the impact of the event on their family.
Question: Well, why would the brother refuse contact from her unless there was a very bad feeling about the ex-husband or the Lanza side of the family? Did the brother blame them for something?
Question: What caused the breakdown between Adam and his dad in 2010? Did he blame his dad for the divorce (finalized in 2009 – so Dad probably was out of the house in 2008 or early 2009)? Did Peter argue with Mom about bowing to Adam’s whims and not giving him medication?
Big Question: Why did Nancy leave Adam to go to an ultra luxury resort while he was having a crisis? Was she more than irresponsible?
Build up to the supposed 3-month bedroom exile: Lanza in recent years was a big Dance Revolution player at a local fun spot (nearly every weekend) and described as not totally withdrawn – having a sort of dry wit, was smiley, laughing. Huh? Interesting for a withdrawn fellow. But, then out of the blue he advised a friend who he often talked to at the fun spot — (he had a friend?! That’s huge!) that he shouldn’t expect to see him anymore. This is supposedly from the police report. Anyway – he then supposedly went into his “exile” – where he went into his room for the next 3 months per his mother. What brought that on, I wonder? Maybe just the illness.
Nancy leaves Adam:
So, I’m supposed to believe that Nancy is telling people that Adam isn’t coming out of his room…communicating with her only by email – and SHE DECIDES THIS IS A GOOD TIME to (her final trip out of town) to go away for a few days as an experiment as to how Adam would do? Are your kidding me?
Before Nancy left for that final trip she’d told a friend that it had gotten off to a rough start w/ Adam supposedly bumping his head and their “dealing with a lot of blood,” Did he throw a tantrum and bang his head? Did she still think it was a good idea to leave him at this point? Did she hit him? If the relationship was so good (based on what EVERYONE ELSE says), why did he kill her? (if he did).
This story sounds like a woman running away from the “crazed” son to meet a man or something – Who leaves when this is going on? And since I brought it up, did Nancy Lanza do all of this traveling in 2012 alone? Or…is there a shadow guy (or lady) I haven’t read about?
Nothing adds up. Absolutely nothing. It’s a cold night – maybe will read some of the fiction, I mean police reports…wonder if her travel was ever discussed. Not likely.
Thanks for getting thru this…I had brain diarrhea.
Interesting stuff there. Are you able to see if there has been any activity using the Nancy Lanza license?
That it has not been terminated, and that Morgan Stanley can be fined for this, looks like really strong evidence that “Nancy Lanza” is a fiction.
As for GE Financial pulling its financing from gun companies: this is also interesting, because it supports the hypothesis that this “shooting incident” was connected to yet another stock play. Put options by insiders, in other words, who have knowledge that a stock is going to go down (such as the stocks of gun companies which now will go under) and bet against it. There is evidence of this kind of finagling in many recent disasters, including 9/11 (American and United Airlines stocks), the Gulf oil explosion (Goldman Sachs sold 40% of its BP stock at a high price two weeks before it happened), Katrina (certain bettors routinely place put options against insurers when there is word a big hurricane is coming to town), etc.
As for the rest of it: I believe these Lanza characters–Peter, Adam, and Nancy–are all fictitious. If a Ryan Lanza exists, he is probably someone else just playing that role.
No, you get view activity of a licensee. It just looks like Nancy’s license was parked.
So, something has been driving me buggy – and I’m just starting to get thru the million pdf files associated with the police or FBI (who I think was really in charge) fiction (I mean “report”) – here it is:
Nancy Lanza was traveling all over the place in 2012…big list of places – even overseas (London, etc.). So, did she go alone? Did she have a travel companion? Who is he/she/they? I can’t believe her travel picked up so much and no one has discussed this. Who took care of Adam? All we hear about is the stupid hotel stay in NH (4 hrs away) as the experiment for him to stay alone. So, where’s the person/people who stayed with him while Nancy was in London?
Now, if there was a travel companion…male or female – was there a romantic relationship? Was this person a suspect? Apparently not. But, maybe a romantic partner was the reason Adam’s demeanor supposedly changed and he holed up in his room…and IF (big if) he shot Nancy – 4 shots to the face is pretty personal (more so than a shot to the back).
So, I have this feeling I’ll be looking for this and will find nothing in those reports.
What physical evidence is there, in the police reports, supporting the existence of either Nancy or Adam?
I don’t think pictures of toilets or doorknobs cuts it.
I’m reading the on-site report of Nancy’s body right now. Interestingly onsite: No fingerprints were taken (box to check says “no”). Geez, she was fingerprinted for her securities license…how about to verify identity of her body? Maybe it’ll be on the autopsy report. Also -death declared by an EMT?! Flips out my family member in that biz (in another state). So were the kids/teacher victims, if you recall.
Now – see my earlier note about Nancy having a boyfriend or girlfriend / travel companion? She went to bed in Victoria’s Secret jammies and undies + white socks. Maybe nothing…but VS? Really?
I’m married…we joke that when we go to bed, we look like we are going hunting (no sexy gear or nice jammies around here). If not bundled up, it’s boxers (me too) or yoga-type pants.
Maybe Nancy just dressed in VS to feel nice…and that’s ok. It just raised an eyebrow for a minute or two.
Oops…typo…should be “You can’t view activity of a licensee”…it’s just sitting there “parked” and active. Sorry, I have a bad cold …brain is starting to tire 🙂
Great detective work Dinophile! I may be able to add to your evidence train this coming week regarding the Lanza roots in their supposed early hometown roots in New Hampshire.
FV – Per my late-night note, I got the middle initial for Nancy Lanza from her autopsy report and it is “J” for “Jean”. Mysteriously, there appears to be a Nancy “E” Lanza with a broker license. Can’t find that she advertises or ? So bazaar.
Beth, wow, you did some homework!
As always, we are assuming that some of this is real. So, let’s think about this.
-If you found her license, somebody by that name must have held (still holds) it.
-If that’s a violation, that’s vary telling. Of course I can’t speak for them but, I know when we pay for licenses or other fees we check to see if the employee is still with us and still needs it.
-I’m not sure about the “home schooling”. He was 22 (allegedly).
-I’m not sure how “child support” or “alimony” would play there. That usually expires at 18, although I’ve seen some benefits extended for developmentally challenged to age 22.
-The “filtering” idea has wings. They said that Peter had a “spokesman” (their words, not mine). He had power of attorney for him. Since then he’s dropped off the planet.
-I would think that a senior executive in their tax division would know about any skeletons.
-Money is often a player in murder cases. Peter, apparently, has a new love and they live together. I don’t know if they’re married. That’s a lot of money. Wouldn’t you think that angle would be in their report?
-Companies seldom “pull” investments out of “ethical” considerations. If they did, there would be compensation from an other direction.
-It’s hard to say about family feuds. Maybe the brother thinks they’re both people he doesn’t want to associate with, like the Hochsprung brother-in-law murder. Maybe he’s mad about the divorce.
-If we went with the murder theory the dad could be working the son.
-I read a piece months ago about Nancy being involved with a high school teacher and him losing his job. There are photos of her with a Middle Eastern looking man and they had his name. I don’t remember it. It was a Middle Eastern name though.
-Maybe she has a boyfriend and “Adam” is upset. It would indeed be odd to leave someone like “Adam” alone, especially if he’s having a rough time. I cannot imagine that at any time without someone to fill in.
-It does indeed sound like a rendezvous. However, who would have something going like that for 3 months and not call a shrink? If she was afraid of him she could have called the cops.
All of this presupposes that these are real people and that at least some of it happened as described. I would expect a report to address motive. Even if they made it up it ought to be there.
It isn’t normal that Peter and Ryan would just disappear. Look at how they hound people in other murder cases. Even if “Adam” was totally strange you can’t just “drop out” like that.
Hi Lophatt, Interesting info! Thanks! I was sitting around last night nursing a bad cold and read thru some of the police reports. I was curious about Nancy’s traveling companion – if any. In the witness reports, one can read that her stay at the NH hotel before the event is accompanied by receipts.
She checked in alone. Dinner receipt (1) looked like she had someone eating w/her $107 bill, a few entrees and 3 glasses of wine. She charged it to her room. A married guy would be “down with that” – no traces for him, right? Two witness reports were of men who had contact w/her BUT one seemed like a boyfriend to me – and if I recall he was worried being discovered…forget what he said but I thought “married…”. Maybe he just wanted privacy, like we all would.
Could you imagine if there was a married boyfriend…she was wearing her Victoria’s Secret in bed (nothing racing by the sound of it), Adam is tired of listening to them – blows her away the next morning and maybe, just maybe, boyfriend works at the school or has children there so goes there next. Maybe planned for a while (hence “Amish Grace” book and other stuff Adam was looking at. WILD IDEA, I know, but otherwise, the only motive for a madman would be that he didn’t want to move from his home (as Nancy planned) and he flipped out.
In the evidence report – there are bills for 3 phone lines. Adam could’ve had a phone but didn’t call anyone? Maybe as a backup to call traveling Mom if the landline went down (if they had a working landline). That leaves Nancy with two phone lines…They found a phone downstairs and a phone in her bedroom (the Blackberry, I believe). I’m wondering why a non-working mother had two cell phone lines. Very interesting. Blackberries are considered more “secure” and are the communication device of choice for many law firms. I can see why conspiracy theorists think the woman was involved in something else (even read CIA theories…wow). Very odd.
I agree with dinophile when she said, “What physical evidence is there, in the police reports, supporting the existence of either Nancy or Adam?
I don’t think pictures of toilets or doorknobs cuts it.”
Has anyone found any evidence at all that they did exist?
Violetta, In thinking about your comment about evidence of existence – aside from the autopsy report and the credit card receipts from the hotel…what might be hard physical evidence that can’t be created? I’m trying to think what that might be. I need some more caffeine…
In answer to Violetta’s question if there is any ”’real” evidence at all of the existence of Nancy and Adam Lanza, the answer is a resounding “No!” I will go two steps further and state that the same applies to Peter and Ryan. I will go 26 steps further and say that the same applies to the “victims.”
For the 28 “victims” there is not one shred of real evidence of their existence, which can be validated with a birth and/or death certificate. I will even go further and state the same for the absent actors, Peter and Ryan.
I doubt that anyone interviewed was real, by that I mean that their true identities could never be authenticated.
The only authentication that we have of “real” people is, Lt. Vance, Governor Daniel Malloy et al.
Beth, again assuming (and it’s a BIG assumption) that these characters are “real”, change is a big deal to the autistic. They like things just like they are. It is hard enough to filter out the overload under normal conditions. Change almost always sparks reactions. Of course, I don’t know much about “Asperger’s”, as I’ve said.
We don’t know the cause of the divorce. Was Peter seeing someone else? Was Nancy?
The resort she went to is for “heavy hitters’. Business moguls and the like. Rockerfellers and Rothschilds and such. Was she meeting, or shopping?
Do individual financial transactions get charged against a license?
If “Adam” was disabled, even if they received no assistance, her medical insurance would insist that he register with Social Security as they would be primary. Once you do that your life is not your own. They would receive visits, guaranteed.
The story on the school teacher was interesting. I didn’t save it. I believe he either taught at St. Rose or the local high school. Supposedly he ran the Tech. Club. Ryan and Adam were said to have won a major award for an animated video. I could find no record of this and I searched under the names given.
The story was that he was seeing Nancy. I don’t know if this was before or after the separation. She was said to have become vocal in some dispute he was having with the school and, ultimately, he was fired. So, obviously, that would mean that he would know both kids.
So, I don’t know what more to say. I rather think its all bunk, but there may be some element of reality in there. I cannot imagine leaving someone who is supposed to be that affected home alone. I wouldn’t do it. It would be irresponsible.
Lophatt: This must be your man –as discussed in this forum (see link, please):
Beth, that’s the guy!!! The piece I read said they were “dating”. It said he had helped with Adam and Ryan and that they both won some national award.
It didn’t say what the nature of his problem with the school was. It is interesting that all three are in financial work, so to speak.
Now that we have our report narrative it is easy to see that they can “blend” the federal stuff with the state stuff and withhold anything they choose. If somebody complains, they can just “kick it upstairs” to Holder’s office. Pretty slick.
So we have the guy who said “we need to brainwash students about gun control” in charge of an “investigation” and publicity. Apparently the “media” clears all things through the feds now. It is the Ministry of Propaganda.
Why a guy with financial and IT background is the “security” guy is weird. The whole place is a little “incestuous”. They can’t seem to stop releasing ridiculous information. In today’s Pinocchio release they had dribbled shotgun shells and the cops “locking a shotgun up for safekeeping in the perp’s trunk”. Whaaaa? That would sound pretty dumb if somebody said it. When you write down stuff like that it makes you look stupid, or dishonest.
It’s sort of like a huge nest of cockroaches, isn’t it?
Yeah, we need a little “Pyrethrum” to get ’em moving. This guy may be worth a look. This is like a “reverse mystery novel”. You start at the end and work backward.
Spot on! We do have to work backwards…and I wish I knew a fed “mole”.
Lophatt, with respect to this being like a reverse mystery novel, if you start at the end, which is the Sandy Hook School shooting, you are starting with a non-event. We can be fairly sure of that because we have no bodies, just a lot of actors. So if we go backward from there……where are we going? Is it possible for a nonreality to be based on realities? I don’t know how we would know which parts of the story are real, if any.
Hi Violeta, I think we start in two places…One route goes from a mass shooting and works itself back; the next goes from a stated event and works itself back. Things might start to fall into place on one side or the other. We need a lot of time to read the police reports for the supposed “real side”, however. I’ve spent at least 5 hours reading these. So much to cover.
I find it helps to brainstorm with others who are open to these discussions (many people won’t go there…luckily I have people who will entertain these chats).
I was thinking this evening…Maybe Adam didn’t destroy his hard-drive..maybe those helping him act our some sick fantasy did it and ensured they got him to that school for the “drill”…and that drill went live. Maybe no one died that day except when the drill was over…Adam took the fall. I keep wanting to say, “Maybe innocents did die” but those parent interviews and the general feeling that the scene is way off…makes it difficult to believe. Then again, “they” let people die in Benghazi..and lied about it. maybe they’d do it on U.S. soil, too.
So much of this case bugs me – but as a parent…I know that no law enforcement would’ve kept me from my child or child’s body – they would’ve had to arrest me / shoot me. No EMT could call my child dead without my seeing him for myself. That’s called “closure” – right? Can you imagine this scenario playing out w/your loved one? It’s insane.
Yes, Beth. a reality shock should be taking place with all parents who have believed in the popular story line… why the absence of the basic human response: “I demand you to produce the body of my child!”
Was contemplating the famous painting of Peter Paul Rubens yesterday…. “Massacre of the innocents” Some scholars say the body count of the children in one version of the story was twenty. This medieval liturgical story is told along with other classic bible stories in the N-Town Plays. “The letter N is placed for the nomen of the town, which was to be filled up as occasion required, by the person making the proclamation.”
— John Payne Collier, History of English Dramatic Poetry, 2:156
I think where it takes you is to a shattered brain.
How could EMTs, or anyone, declare someone dead without an ID card? Six year olds do not carry ID cards or get issued school IDs, at least in my neck of the woods. The only ones issued ID cards are grades 5 and above where I live, and it has been this way for about 20 yrs.
JohnLuv, in our prior experience w/public school in our former stomping grounds, little ones were issued school id’s. They just used the school photos taken in the few weeks of each new school year. We were in a rural area but I think it was a state-wide policy back there. In current state, I’m sure all students likely get one around here.
John and all , Newtown school personal school identification tags appear to start for middle school. I further find it impossible to believe that Wayne Carver performed the autopsies in such a short length of time, that he didn’t need a second opinion from parents and/or DNA and he concluded a long rifle was weapon. Was his opinion next to God. Is there evidence he did not perform his job according to protocol.
Of vital importance to the credibility of all contributors- I have paper records of Adam Lanza being born in Exeter, NH on 4-22-92 to Peter John Lanza and Nancy Jean Champion. Source- Kingston Town Report of 1992. From the Vital Records of Kingston, NH- Nancy Jean Champion born 9-6-1960 Salem,MA…and older and younger brother are; Donald R. JR. and James M.
I looked at the 1978 High School Yearbook for Nancy- 2 photos that resemble the recent popular press issue. Her nickname was ‘Beanie’
So channel your energies appropriately.
Hi FV – Got a birth record for Ryan? Surely, but just curious.
Not that things can’t be fabricated, but I do think the Lanzas existed.
This is kind of amusing: If you’re inclined, check out the video of Ryan Lanza in this link. Supposedly Peter (dad) is here – looks like when Ryan was released by the police. OK, I see Peter (or is look-alike) but who is that lady in the driver’s seat? Surely not Peter’s new lady…could that be Nancy? No, can’t be – who would be so bold do show up w/your glasses on and messy hair when you’re supposed to be dead? Someone else, I’m sure but it does amuse for a minute.
Beth, how would you be able to tell what is the “real” side of any of the reports that have come out. When you base your maybe’s on reports filled with holes and inconsistencies, it seems impossible to come up with “facts” or “truth”. Can you even say that anything that supposedly happened on Dec 14th really did happen. You say that maybe someone got Adam to the drill! Maybe if you just start with that and try to prove that you might have something to work on in reverse.
Actually, brainstorming on inconsistencies, fiction, and outright lies seems to be playing into their hand, which I think is why it bothers me so much. It just adds fuel to their fire.
You said, “So much of this case bugs me – but as a parent…I know that no law enforcement would’ve kept me from my child or child’s body – they would’ve had to arrest me / shoot me. No EMT could call my child dead without my seeing him for myself. That’s called “closure” – right? Can you imagine this scenario playing out w/your loved one? It’s insane.”
Yes, of course, it is insane, but the thing is, this is fiction with a bunch of actors. It doesn’t make sense to keep writing the fiction because of those feelings.