Updated 2:35PM EST Dec. 3

Analysis from 21st Century Wire‘s Patrick Henningsen

Live Feed via Washington Post

Live Feed via RT

General Information:

Allegedly 3 dead and 20 wounded. [Updated: 14 dead, 17 wounded]

Shooting took place at around 2:00PM EST at Inland Regional Conference Center, 1300 Waterman Ave, San Bernardino

Facility allegedly serves people with developmental disabilities (but appears to be office building with various separate businesses)

Roughly 500 people employed in building

1 to 3 “active shooters” at large, possibly in black SUV

Shooting may have interrupted Christmas Party

Various Observations From Cable News Channels:

(Note that this has been a widely-covered event, with the story being carried by Bloomberg Television and FOX Business, even when at best scant information was initially available. Timing is ideal for full above-the-fold coverage across most 12/3/15 daily front pages.-JFT)

SWAT Team already geared up and in area [before shooting.”-FOX Business, 4:35PM EST

“Local San Bernardino hospitals: 4 adults in care, 3 expected.”-FOX Business, 4: 25PM EST (2.5 hours after shooting)

Doug Sander of San Bernardino Sun Times on MSNBC at around 4:20PM: “When I arrived on the scene I heard no gunshots at all.” Claims not to have talked to any witnesses, many of whom are being processed by law enforcement.

Kristin Myricks, IRC employee not at work on 12/2, tells CNN at 3:50PM EST that mass shooting drills regularly taking place on the IRC campus since 2014.

Anonymous woman tells MSNBC at 3:35PM via phone, “It happened in conference room” and people fled conference room and building.

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FOX News states around 3:40P EST “suspect with tactical gear, armed.”

Unidentified man interviewed on local affiliate KNBC states that sister is in IRC building hiding in closet with two other people.-MSNBC, 3:30PM

IRC employee Brandon Hunt tells CNN at 4:07PM that the facility has about 500 employees at work on 12/2, “give or take 30 to 40.”

CNN’s Jake Tapper states at around 4:25PM EST that a “package deemed suspicious” has been found at the scene. (Subsequent reports indicate package was blown up by “robot.”)

Police claim 14 people dead.-FOX Business, 5:05PM

“This is the new normal, whether domestic or international.” KT McFarland, Reagan administration staffer, FOX Business, 5:13PM EST

 

 

 

 

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    1. Hey…….., ya’ think? I know my methane meter is nearly pegged. That’s gotta cause heat.

      They are practicing to get those eaters locked down, sheltered in place, sit Ubu, roll over, ruff.

      Officer Friendly will lead you out with your hands in the air. No talking. You must OBEY.

      Looks like the “one in custody” is now a dead one. How conven..er, what a shame. I’m going to look for the confetti raining down in the videos like in Paris. Those French always had an artistic flair.

      East Germany had nothing on us.

  1. drills being run, no bodies shown, 1-3 vague # shooters, calm witnesses. Obama, “We have to stop the guns right now!” moment after.

    1. And of course, since the suspects have fled – about three of them – you can now run around outside the building and feel safe because there are also several cops milling around in riot gear with some big weapons (not that they are trying to keep any sort of track of the potential victims, who go through the usual aimless wandering like they do at all these events).

      By their own admission, their own scenario, it should be lock-down city in San Berdoo, but it ain’t. Maybe later after someone is carjacked and there are pictures from some convenience store that is not a 7-11 after all, and maybe a random campus cop is killed. Oh, wait, that was several days after Boston. Would they re-run it in So. Cal.?

        1. That one made it. Wonder what caused the others to vanish?

          I mentioned the Olice Pay ief Chay discussing early Ederal Fay involvement and how they liked having them around just in case.

        2. They probably have it on their master check list by now. “Go to MHB and screw with the commenters”. They know we mock them. They don’t like to be mocked.

  2. Note that there was a police training exercise taking place in the area today. Am listening to police scanner; calls from public are coming in regarding various people with dark skin; police broadcast an Arab-sounding name over the scanner as a person reported by a stander-by as acting “suspicious” as he left the building 20-30 minutes before shooting began..

    1. Please link the drill info.

      I’ve been digging around trying to find drill info.

      I was searching for FEMA or DHS.

      Let’s see here, muslim name to carry out Zionist agenda: check!

      Drill going on at same time? Check.

  3. Good-freaking-Lord. Really? And people BUY this!

    How am I going to bear the onslaught of hand-wringing and hysteria I know is coming? How will I keep from screaming when we pray for the “victims” at church?

    Sweet Moses, stick a fork in me. I’m done.

    1. #obamafatigue
      #fakeshootingsfatigue
      #globalwarmingfatigue
      #blacklivesmatterfatigue
      #LGBTfatigue
      #politicalcorrectnessfatigue
      #MSMfatigue
      and the list goes on and on…

    2. Well, SOME people buy this. Not me. My default switch is stuck on B.S.. I remember when the most you had to worry about was getting mobbed by Hari Krishnas.

      They have done so many of these that they slide into them like a skinny girl takes to her panties. Let’s see how long it takes for them to get the graphics and the tee shirts printed.

    3. Just think about it. They get points for running these and can win valuable prizes. They BO gets to do his hand wringing hypocrite routine. “They are shooting people. Not like I do when I drone them to death every day”.

      They’re chasing the fed money. They’re using the money to buy disarmament. Then they tax us to get more money. Pretty sweet.

      1. We’re all gonna need a lot of protection once we surrender our guns, and they are there to provide it – BBC had a dishy picture of a blonde pony-tailed Katniss Everdeen with the weapon slung across her back. Yes, jobs for the ones who want to guard our overlords, summary execution for those who mouth off to authority.

        1. It’s ironic, isn’t it. The teachers in Israel go to school with AK-47’s slung like that every day. Then they demand that we disarm everybody. They do this at their training for our cops.

          Then they won’t take any “refugees”. But they insist that we do. A lesser person would suspect a setup.

  4. San Bernardino is one of the the most corrupt counties in California, and is close to bankruptcy. The disability service site where the event took place is funded by the feds and the state. You can be sure that there is a lot of gun grab $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ behind this three penny opera!!!!!!

  5. Reuters posted updated info, which was almost immediately retracted. They quoted Lavinia Johnson, Inland Regional Center’s executive director, who stated that the shooting took place in a conference room which was rented for the day, presumably for a holiday party. The day’s tenant was the Department of Health.

    As Janet Napolitao stated before the Congressional Investigation of Fast and Furious, “We have hundreds of operations.”

    The following interview sums up everything in ten minutes.

    https://youtu.be/odR37GoXlaw

    1. When will chaos come to America? How can Obama be stopped? Is the Chief Justice blackmailed? Bribed? Are blatant increases in college tuition being used to fund terrorism emanating from the US hegemon?

  6. After confirming that “upwards of 14 people” had been killed in today’s shooting event, San Bernardino Police Chief Jarrod Burguan said in the 2:00 o’clock press conference said that it wasn’t “terrorist-related in the traditional sense,” adding that “Obviously, at minimum, we have a domestic terrorist type situation that occurred here.”

    Pressed for details by reporters, he LAUGHED and hedged, “The only thing I’m comfortable saying at this point is that the information we have is that they came prepared to do what they did as if they were on a mission.”

    1. “they came prepared to do what they did as if they were on a mission.”

      The only problem they had is they forgot to take of their ATF uniforms “before” the “Mission”.

      I would laugh too as Chief Jarrod did……

      Good News: Obama said if we all sign up for Global warming taxes and surrender to the UN all the wars and shootings will stop.

      1. Isn’t it sinister how those sneaky shooters dress up in tactical military gear just like the various responding officers? Bastards!

        1. Toni…Just heard an ‘ analyst’ on British news channel saying exactly that.. lol.. with a straight face of course.. how awful that ” murderers” copy swat team uniforms…( shakes head in despair)

          Another commentator… a newspaper editor, said he was ” fascinated” that your media could film victims on stretchers and police operations… we aren’t allowed to do that here, he said… well, that’s news to me and a telling insight into cabal control…

        2. Steven, that’s hilarious that you just heard that on tv. “Swat uniforms – not fair!”

          The editor who marveled that we film victims here doesn’t realize those scenes were just part of this particular scenario. Lots of times there’s no triage at all and I think they went out of their way to set one up this time. The coverage was unusual, for a false event.

          You have to wonder if the “triage” was enacted this time, and “victims” shown, in response to the critiques of Sandy Hook that have been lately prominent, and prominently suppressed.

        3. Toni… yep, exactly right…

          Also, I don’t think I have ever seen live helicopter coverage of an ongoing criminal or ‘terrorist’ event here either…. we only see that on imported American tv” reality” shows…

          Just saw somewhere that there is an unconfirmed police scanner report that perps were ” middle eastern” looking…..sounds like they haven’t perfected their scenario yet… its already nearly one in the morning here, so I’m gone now… I can already predict the next few hours of lamestream media anyway!

          As Recynd said … stick a fork in me, I’m done….lol

        4. This seems to be one of those multiple scenarios stories with no coherent narrative yet. I have just copied a piece from the screen on the Los Angeles Times (the largest paper of record near San Bernardino). There police are quoted as saying one of the gunman got into a dispute at an employee party at the facility (which serves mentally handicapped), left the party and returned with two other gunmen. And they got dressed up in police gear (kit)?

          I suspect they are throwing things to the wall, and wondering what will stick. Then of course, they will have their story.

        5. Yeah, there ought to be a law! You can’t tell the dark swarthy Arab types from the clean cut Xe types. They should make them wear armbands or something.

          On this one the helicopter photographers are “embedded” with the cops. They have to “clear” any footage. They said they were worried they’d be giving away positions and such. You know, military stuff.

          Maybe they decided to do this today to save BO’s face after his gaffe in Paris. He almost gave the game away with that one.

          So, to sum up, we have crazed killers loose on the streets, they are importing Muslims via UPS flights, and they want to take our guns away. Hey, makes sense to me.

  7. stopping witnesses from talking to media , stopping media helicopters from close ups – known triage protocol not used – yellow,green,red,black

    1. these events seem to only happen in states that don’t have a big concealed carry population. Guess the actors don’t want to get shot for real. In my state a crowd that large would have had 20 or more people packing heat.

  8. Here in the UK, all eyes on Parliament where our ” lawmakers” were debating bombing Syria.. ( It just passed, majority 174, ), thousands of protesters outside opposing the ‘new’ war…and latest opinion polls showing majority against airstrikes, but of course lawmakers ignore the people..
    Meanwhile, just time to mention 14 dead in San Bernardino, many injured, 3 gunmen on the loose and show us footage of ” wounded” (?) people being stretchered away.. I saw no signs of injuries or blood on any of them…

      1. Musings… absolutely you do.. lol… plus I enjoyed your comment about how you should have stayed one of our colonies, oh yeah, if only we Brits had all our old colonies back we could wrap up this New World Odor thing in five minutes, its taking way too long for our current ‘ leaders’ to complete their enslavement plan with you pesky former colonists and your guns and all slowing them down …

        1. Yes Steven, I’ve been following that. Your Cameron is such a lovable chap. Don’t stop reminding him of the pig episode.

    1. Steven,
      I thought that would never pass. It must be fraud.

      “And all the armies of the world were gathered to a place called……Syria? haha.

      1. Ric Unfortunately its true…our ” leader” Cameron, even somehow got away with saying that there are 70,000 ” moderate” rebels waiting to support us on the ground…although he was met with such incredulity that he had to at least backtrack on that a bit…. our politicians are slightly less sheep like than yours( only a little, mind ) ,

        Of course Megiddo, the biblical Armageddon, is in Israel but only a few miles from the Syrian border… maybe time to start serious prepping…

    2. I have been following that story ,Steven and have relatives who live in Manchester.
      Just another distraction to get the Brits, on the band wagon,without their approval. Oh wait !! And the perps.. have an Arabic sounding name.. even better.

      1. Ted…Yeah, exactly…

        Within a couple of hours of the UK vote in favour of military action and airstrikes on Syria, our aircraft began bombing…not ISIS directly of course, no, an oilfield… undefended infrastructure, degrading Syria’s stability and revenues for the future if it ever regains ” normality”..lots of business for western restructuring corporations then, yippee

        Oh, and I saw on Brit news channel.. 3 Arabic sounding names as the San Bernardino perps… doubling down, tripling…endlessly, remorselessly pushing us…

      1. Great catch on the Calgary Herald date; I posted a question about it in the comment section. I also screen-capped the date, for when it miraculously changes.

  9. Oh, god, it’s turned into police pursuit with helicopter coverage, a Southland classic. They are in a stand-off.

    These are images we see every week in Southern California, I don’t know about everywhere else.

    How ridiculous is it that I feel violated that they’ve appropriated this familiar scenario for their stupid event?

    1. Yes, just got a call from my sister – coming in from work and being confronted with this (East Coast) 6 o’clock news adrenalin shot.
      Of course, she is sure I am under-reacting weirdly. I should be projecting all the motives of the gunman/men perhaps?

      No, been there, done that. The Tsarnaev brothers cured me. Big wake up call.

      Now she tells me I should be really, really worried for my niece, who goes to college in the place where the stand-off is happening (not her daughter, but another sister’s). The over-protective and retarding instincts of THAT sister will be activated so she’ll insist the kid drop out immediately and take up life as a drone of some sort – maybe join the military (yes, I know that is contradictory – I mean it’s more dangerous).

      So from my point of view, my biggest challenge is to keep my family from freaking out.

      1. Good luck with your family. It’s easy to forget how traumatizing it must be for people who take these events for real.

        You made a good point about no lockdown in San Bernardino, which there should be, by their own “protocols.”

      2. Amen ! Musing , I always have to tell my 77 year old mother ,who lives overseas that it’s all smoke & mirrors and I’m better off riding my bicycle down Pennsylvania Ave in DC ,blind folded than getting caught in another MCD. What’s more hilarious is I’m a veteran, and it’s become entertaining to see what new weekly drama ,they have for us.

        1. Even though the burden of proof should be on those announcing these stories, and our critique should blow holes in it, the fact is that most people trust authority and cannot distinguish whether it is reliable or not, even though past performance should raise serious doubts. I don’t expect to change any minds, but it is often difficult for me to listen to my family backing it up.

          I have a pretty large family, my siblings and I are only a few years apart in age, and we live on both coasts and see each other a lot. So one of my brothers, who actually was in town when the Tsarnaev brother was hiding out, ignored the “voluntary” ban on driving around and tried to take his son to a campus (which proved to be on lockdown for the day of quasi- martial law). He is not the sort of person who will voluntarily deny himself something – particularly after flying his kid all the way to Boston for what proved to be a fool’s errand. But afterwards, he told me how impressed he was by the Boston faithful (as it were) who stayed inside and “sheltered in place” during the crisis. If I become the one who always says “bollocks” to that kind of thing, I will take on the mantle of the family crazy, and there always is a goat of the moment in my family it is how we roll. I therefore just shine it on. That’s my little act, but I do not try to ratchet up the fear factor at least.

        2. The biggest problem I run into with whoever, is the issue of the media’s total complicity with the government. The mental blocks people erect vary, but more middle class sober people have rigorous skepticism towards the government even if only on a gut level. Try telling those people there’s a plot within the media, however, and they look at you funny…

    2. This stand-off doesn’t look right to me. The cops not arrayed in a fan as usual. They’re so close. Are they out of the line of fire? What about explosives? Usually there’s a dog they send in.

      I think they are just exercising their military equipment, like they’ve signed up to do. They have to keep themselves in the federal grant pool.

  10. The police chief discussed Fed involvement. Paraphrasing – he said that this might or might not involve Federal issues, so it was good to have them on hand from the beginning to know exactly what’s going on.

    Getting out in front of the issue of Feds always being Johnny on the spot.

  11. One takeaway I got from the “news” was that they said that helicopter footage would all be routed through the authorities prior to any airing and that they would stay out of the area unless they had permission. They, of course, said that they immediately complied.

    Of course they couldn’t have any stray footage out there for doubters to capture now, could they? There were what appeared to be soldiers right in the middle of it as well. Who are they and what were they doing there? Oh, I suspect a drill.

    I can’t wait to see how they spin this one. They already said that they fired 1,000 rounds. That’s a lot of ammo. So far the usual confusion over numbers, etc.. One thing’s for certain. They’ll be howling for disarmament.

  12. I refrain from watching TV when these events occur. I relented and watched less than a minute of network news just now and it told me all I -or anyone- needed to know as to who the “perps” are: gunmen dressed in camo fatigues and heavily armed. I turned off the TV and said outloud – “hey when they tell us who did it, we need to believe them.” Who dresses in camo and is heavily armed – SWAT? Um. yeah, SWAT, i.e., the ersatz gov’t forces.

    I’m sorry if anyone actually died (I won’t be tuning in to see), but for the few minutes I saw of the last event in Colorado it occurred to me that that was a real event since a.) we saw injured on stretchers being rushed to ambulances (unlike Sandy Hook) and b.) they took the perp alive.

    Let me know if the same occurs here with the latest “event.”

    It just seems to me that TPTB are stepping up their controls at break-neck speed.

    1. And the strange part is, the police were also reporting that an altercation broke out during a party, between employees, one left in a huff — and supposedly came back with two others all dressed in “dark tactical” clothing (well, they have many stories about the attire). Now they are saying the two dead are a woman and a man. This whole story is being written on the fly, just like Boston when the Tsarnaev’s were on the run (which kept crashing into contradictions and location changes, until the story finally reached plausibility).

  13. FORGET San Bernadino…what about last week…LOUISIANA!!!!.There Was Just A Giant Mass Shooting NOBODY’S Talking About…
    http://www.americasfreedomfighters.com/2015/11/30/giant-mass-shooting/#

    Even though this shooting involved young children being shot, the media has been silent and the reason for their silence is quite obvious.

    The shooting occurred in Louisiana last week, when gunmen opened fire at a park with some 300 people in it resulting in 17 people being injured-including a 10-year-old child.

    Mayor Mitch Landrieu called the shooting “domestic terrorism,” adding that one victim may never walk again, the New Orleans Advocate reports.

    Police Chief Michael Harrison said the shooting appears to be gang-related.
    The San Bernardino shooting is fake — everything is perfectly scripted with no victim pain, no bloody bandages, no immediate triage. Just everyone posing in comfort positions for the TV cameras and ‘victims’ bandaged, but in no pain, and being taken away after being helped (for the TV cameras) and rolled away on gurneys (for the TV cameras). I even saw a small girl with an arm sling just walking around.

    There is nothing real about this active shooter scene, even the purpose of it makes no sense. This is a gun control show.

    1. Exactly! We don’t hear about the Louisiana shooting because it was legitimate and didn’t fit the agenda. Did you see the graphic they put out which showed each wounded victim and where on their bodies they were shot? So many people shot, so few killed. Just the opposite of SH. It’s all about San Bernadino now because this one’s the show they’re putting on for us.

    2. Yeah Grace, I read about that too. What’s up. Could this be a REAL one? Maybe they’re scrambling to write a script so they can get credit for a DHS exercise for it.

    1. Maybe the people who actually worked inside the building, the “witnesses” as they’re calling them, were quickly shuttled onto buses and removed from the site so that they wouldn’t realize that the people lying around pretending to be hurt outside didn’t actually work there. Just a thought.

  14. Tracy just posted this 21stCenturyWire article on scoopfeed about San
    Bernardino, with an interview with Patrick Henningsen, whose analysis is incisive even though the event had just begun.

    http://scoopfeed.net/2015/12/02/daily-shooter-san-bernardino-sees-largest-ever-multi-agency-staging-area-set-up-in-less-than-90-minutes/

    One thing that caught my eye is this comment that was left there:

    “Not like she needs the traffic, but Pamela Gellar website already throwing out the possible name of “Farooq Saeed” off of police scanners and retweets.”

    It’s interesting in that a commenter here, Allyson, said this about 2:00:

    Allyson says:
    December 2, 2015 at 5:12 PM
    “Note that there was a police training exercise taking place in the area today. Am listening to police scanner; calls from public are coming in regarding various people with dark skin; police broadcast an Arab-sounding name over the scanner as a person reported by a stander-by as acting “suspicious” as he left the building 20-30 minutes before shooting began..”

    1. Nice little mind games.. Sue, they’re ramping it up, children ,mentally disabled ,black church patrons, movie attendees … Who’s next ? Retirement homes, playgrounds and the list goes on.

  15. Cooper Anderson interviewed a “witness” about 25 minutes ago who sounded as if she (actually it sounded like a male but he introduced her as “Marie”) had tried to memorize a quick script. Had to break off and come back to correct her answer on some of her answers.

  16. ISIS/ISIL does San Bernardino.

    I had the opportunity today to watch live TV, or what appeared to be live, from ABC 7 in Los Angeles. Their helicopter showed an awful lot of the same scenes with people just milling around. No one was panicking. I also listened to KFI radio with one of their reporters on the scene. He said the reason the feds showed up so rapidly was because of an exercise they were doing nearby. Do we need to know any more?

    Residents were told to lock their doors and stay inside. Schools far away were in lock down. Driving home tonight, KFI radio reported that one of the dead shooters had a middle eastern name and that this was probably a terror attack. I also noticed that Sandy Hook was mentioned several times both on TV and radio here today. This San Bernardino production also featured some mighty fancy military style gear.

    From Boston to San Bernardino with stops in between, we now have a full fledged police state in these former united states.

    1. There are actually people who follow these “events” almost as fervently as they follow the soaps.

      People take the bait and they believe the fear motif put before them. Fear is the one constant that leads to susceptibility to these outright lies and perpetrations of the most boorish kind.

      One of these days Obama will get on national TV and describe the horrors of mass murders……before they happen. It won’t make any difference to American airheads. They want to believe the lies, it’s too much work to seek the truth.

  17. Thank you Dr. Tracy for bringing some erudition to these events. “Above-the-fold” was an eye-catching bit of diction. Indeed, the media response gives us just about all the answers to the question, “What message are we to have received?”

    My initial impression upon hearing of this shooting was that the Operation Gladio which is active in the United States had taken another deadly step forward today (assuming, as it is not always prudent to do, that people actually died).

    In general, there seems to be a ratcheting-up of this “strategy of tension” (again referring to Operation Gladio) within recent months.

    If I had to bet, I’d say the main goal of the psy-op in effect is gun control. Looking at a “red state/blue state” map on Wikipedia (gauged by presidential candidate victories over past four elections) we can notice a few things. The most obvious fraud (Sandy Hook) was in blue state Connecticut. [And we know the governor of that state received a special “heads up” from the Dept. of “Justice” prior to the shooting. I believe he met specifically with Holder regarding gun control prior to Sandy Hook.]

    In any case, we see the recent community college shooting in rural Oregon (blue state) and then today’s shooting in California (blue state).

    Even the shooting in Colorado Springs (a real one-two punch by Ameri-Gladio) was in a “purple state”. This would be, to borrow Jade Helm’s terminology, an undecided territory. Jade Helm had southwest states which were “leaning” towards “friend” or (alternately) “foe”.

    We should also include the Boston Marathon “bombing” in blue state Massachusetts. Though it didn’t feature guns prominently as the Orwellian MacGuffin, it did involve martial law, curfew, and house-by-house search. Whether that false flag was a part of the Ameri-Gladio for gun control is debatable.

    It seems these false flag mass casualty events are harder to pull off in the more-heavily-armed red states (which, yes, gives some credence to the Donald and the Alex Jones regarding gun-free zones as invited soft targets).

    The most suspicious thing about this recent series of shootings (other than their location in liberal-friendly states) is their timing.

    In particular, when figuring in the suspicious Paris attacks (old-school Gladio), the Colorado and California attacks seem to be an almost algorithmically-derived set of locations. For a “strategy of tension” to work in the U.S., everyone from every state (and every walk of life) would have to feel terrified. Or, everyone from liberal states which support increased gun control would have to be sufficiently outraged to affect a policy change.

    Obama seems to have gotten slightly more savvy following his rush to pontificate (post-Umpqua). Yet there he is. Every time. Churning out the rhetoric.

    One commentator (former law enforcement from San Bernardino) made a Freudian slip of sorts when asked for his thoughts as part of Fox News’s coverage. First description of the events: “interesting”. Second description (as almost an afterthought): “tragic”. Yes, something interesting (or odd) is afoot.

    My guess is that many of these events (including Paris…hell, even the Aurora movie shooting) are being done by U.S. government employees who bring the patsies to the scene and leave them for dead as the “neutralized” shooters. [Paris was likely a much more cooperative affair…perhaps some British agents, some French agents, etc.: NATO–the originators of Gladio.]

    Continuing, these American domestic events would then normally involve highly-trained special operatives who would do the actual shooting. The patsies, lured to the scene in a variety of ways (including possibly with hands tied and in the custody of the real shooter), would then be found dead by unaware local law enforcement (having actually been killed by the active shooter…likely at the scene [to at least ease a suspicious coroner’s mind somewhat].

    The obvious suspect for running Ameri-Gladio would be the CIA, but I wouldn’t dismiss the possibility of the FBI (remember 1993 WTC…an FBI LIHOP), ATF, DHS, or even FEMA.

    It’s bad news. Somebody needs to step up and blow the whistle. The ends DO NOT justify the means.

    –Paul

    1. I think the goal sought is still disarming the public and even repealing the 2nd amendment. We are being mocked in the British/ Commonwealth presses.

      But you have to get people to act against their own best interests, and by using a gunman with a Middle East name, one whose motives may have been traceable to his religion (let’s say, for the sake of argument, he objected to alcoholic beverages at the Christmas party), then you can argue that it is unsafe in the present moment to have guns which can be used by such people. Since they cannot reasonably be sorted out, better to take away as many guns as possible.

      We know how Prohibition failed – it made people more drunk than ever.

      1. The profile of these purported recent shooters (stark-raving-mad bloodthirsty Muslim “terrrists” [to borrow the W.-era fake-Texas-drawl] is, in my opinion, a curveball to distract the typical, bigoted Fix News viewer from realizing that this event was part-and-parcel with the ongoing Ameri-Gladio which really kicked into high gear with the Sandy Hook pageant. In other words, bigotry blinds the right wing viewer from realizing that this “Muslim terror event” was actually a continuation of the false flags which have as their overriding goal gun control (and, if possible, gun confiscation). I support the Second Amendment and don’t think the populace should be manipulated into accepting a false reality by way of these cynical sacrifices of American citizens to the bullets of black ops professionals. It should, however, be noted that Sandy Hook appears to have been an event at which no one died. I am not certain if that, but the official story is laughable (just as with 9/11). I can’t tell you exactly who are pulling off these wicked acts of trickery, but it’s almost always now NOT the ones taking the rap.

        –Paul

    1. OMG – so obviously a dummy. Which they had to take out of their supply wagon.

      Why does the public not see it? Because before the shot, they have been primed into a state of “suspension of disbelief” such as one experiences watching a play or tv drama, by a few earlier scenes, such as the woman police officer intoning her lines. It obviously does not take long to fall into the state of credulity. We could study tv dramas or even commercials to get the beats on the timing of how long it takes. If somehow this scene should be unconvincing, then it could be removed once the effect has taken by means of the echo chamber of other commentary.

      I have to say that my favorite hoax was the balloon boy, with all sorts of people weighing in along the way to make it seem real. Very much like the Martian invasion by Orson Welles. It just keeps working.

    1. When you say this, you are accepting their narrative and giving a curious reason for it – mobbing or workplace bullying. In order to bring in that theory you must accept their black box of the shooting – for which there is no evidence, no more than Sandy Hook. You are trying to supply motives for a shooter, to mitigate the damages but to admit the crime. I just cannot join you in this theorizing about motive, when I am not convinced anything genuinely happened but yet another fake-o drill.

      What – the shooter leaves the party and comes back in what the Brits reported as riot gear? That at some point he pulled a fire alarm to make everyone come out? Multiple scenarios, I would say. As the Brits say – “Horses for courses” – you play to the particular audience and get feed-back on what appalls them.

      1. I am only saying that workplace harassment/mobbing is common, and a distinct and studied response to it is the office shooting. The work of Dr. Kenneth Westhues and Dr. Janice Harper are very revealing on this link. I believe that Sandy Hook was the most slam dunk case for a drill that was sold to the public as “reality-based” by the government with their accomplices in the media-for obvious reasons Notice that in the comment above I say that this “sounds like” a mobbing related shooting. Take a look at the case law on workplace harassment, and the works by academics linking mobbing to shootings. It is as plausible as the drill scenario. I think that the most recent KSK piece on false flags is nuanced enough to make it evident that we must examine these events carefully before firmly committing to a theory of the event.

      2. I’m glad to see the New York Times is examining the workplace harassment angle with “unnamed law enforcement officials” (probably scared of what would happen to law enforcement, for their inaction, if the truth about mobbing related mass shootings ever got any real attention):

        “Investigators believe there were three gunmen and one of them had worked at the facility and recently had a dispute with fellow employees, according to law enforcement officials.”

        http://www.nytimes.com/live/san-bernardino-shooting/a-disgruntled-employee/

      3. The Brit news media are saying the shooters’ home had a huge amount of explosives and weapons and they are leaning towards calling it a terrorist act, rather than disgruntled employee or deranged person(s) etc.
        Whether anyone actually got shot or not, it seems that over here they are trying to label this incident as terrorism… one news anchor just called it a ” watershed moment” for America, implying its a Paris style attack…..

        1. The only problem is Obama can’t call his “people” Islamic Terrorists.

          Oh, the sweet sound of the morning prayer…..Obama 2010.

          PS: They still can’t get the story straight. 2 or 3 guys, Shooter was sitting there at party. left as (Holmes did) and returned as Swatman!! or a disgruntled ex-employee…..

        2. Steven, this one reeks. It has Hebdo all over it. It doesn’t even make sense by THEIR logic.

          Young married couple with children decide to ditch their baby and go on a suicide mission to kill their coworkers who apparently like them.

          Anybody at this site could write a more plausible script. Even if none of it is true their story is terrible.

        3. As I stated in an earlier post on an other leg.

          I think there is internal infighting. “Do we move now with our stool Obama” or wait? The Lemmings are waking up!

          As I said. they will either move fast and hard in the next year or sit back and enjoy all the damage they have accomplished in the last 7 years…

        4. I have to wonder if part of the urgency might be that, besides that for this second term for Obama there is also the clock ticking on Generation X coming into a political majority, as it were. They’re about to start taking over senior positions in the workplace, etc. And they aren’t buying a lot of The Party Line the way the Boomers did. Final change has to happen soon…

        5. lophatt… yeah, I agree, the narrative is all over the place..

          The latest take on Brit TV news channels ( for those who are interested in my updates on the ” view from here” ) is… they are still going with ” terrorists”, but explaining away the ”target location” as a sudden change of plan… bringing forward, perhaps, a mission planned for later, maybe because of something that provoked them at the private party… it is, of course, all still totally illogical and ridiculous…

          clearly, we need to wait for the usual ‘manifesto’ to show up, no?

        6. This guy buys the whole narrative, but most interesting is the comment that mentions that the FBI’s search failed to retrieve shredded documents and a computer. Plus, no fingerprint dust can be seen; what kind of jank (jenk?) search is that? What, the FBI sticks their heads into the apartment, take a quick peek, and declare, “Our work here is done.”?

          Also, fwiw, the wife’s (?) drivers license was valid between 2004-2009…I thought she was Saudi, and that they’d recently met on the Internet, been married just 6 months, and had a new child(?)? Wherever she’s from, she had a CA drivers license for a decade.

          It’s getting better and better.

  18. Victor Valley News alert public to an active shooter drill on 11/27, scheduled for the 30th. The alert directed at the Victor Valley College in San Bernardina. Kind of a coincidence.

  19. From Sputnik news:
    “US Doctors Urge to Lift Ban on Gun Violence Study Hours Before CA Shooting”

    “A US-based group of doctors and medical students presented Congress a petition signed by 2,000 physicians requesting the removal of a 1996 ban on gun violence research funding by the US government a few hours prior to Wednesday’s San Bernardino mass shooting.”

    http://sptnkne.ws/akKn

    Coincidence? Not really. The group of doctors is the Doctors for America advocacy group, which started life as “Doctors for Obama” and helped push through the Affordable Care Act.

    Obama rewarded Vivek Murthy, the president of Doctors for America, with the nomination for Surgeon General, which was opposed by the NRA due to his vocal opposition to gun violence as a “threat to public health.”

    In his confirmation hearing, Murthy assured Senators that he would not use the office of Surgeon General as a bully pulpit for gun control.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctors_for_America
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivek_Murthy

    1. Another good find, Toni. This doctors group looks like it was formed in 2009 to plug for Obamacare and here, Murphy’s bill: http://www.drsforamerica.org/about It’s so ironic that they want to fund ‘research into gun violence’ as doctors who, again, will proffer no scientific evidence to support their findings and prescriptions for society. I often wonder how it is that the average doctor convinces him or herself that psychiatry is in any way a legitimate ‘specialty.’ It’s a reflection on how utterly classist and profiteering ‘medicine’ is. The legal system is the same way. Any decent lawyer could easily expose the absurd scam that is psychiatry, but the upper middle class simply cannot bear to have its power indicted – and that’s all psychiatry is at the end of the day. It exists solely to justify the upper and upper middle class’ perch over all the proles.

      Also of note, yesterday New Jersey Second Amendment Society held a press conference decrying the state’s denial of personal firearm rights to the citizens, especially as they pertain to certain more vulnerable groups, like women: http://www.njtvonline.org/news/video/second-amendment-society-claims-police-departments-delaying-and-denying-handgun-permits/ Last March a NJ woman was stabbed to death while awaiting her permit to conceal carry, by her abusive ex whom she feared would try to kill her. The organization’s video begins with an expose of a real life cop admitting he denied a petite woman her right to get a permit because the gun could be easily wrestled from her.

      Perhaps my earlier comment from today, about the featuring of a woman shooter, was right on ‘target.’

  20. The level of BS that these Psyops operate within is just laughable. 14 dead, 147 wounded??? in a facility of 500 employees?

    No Motive for the shooter … AGAIN! Start the countdown for a bogus Manifesto to be DISCOVERED!

    Drills going on the same week? Wow what an unbelievably unlucky coincidence for the shooter.

    This is a distraction from the COP21 fraudsters and the debauchery PSYOP that was the Paris terror attacks.

    I heard someone recently say that we’re in an “Age of Deception.” I very much agree.

    The bollocks coming out of the Telescreen is so blatantly manufactured that it is possible to hypothesize the veracity of an event with some reasonable accuracy over a cup of coffee.

    For me this is simply a refreshing reminder of this:

    We all have a common enemy – it ain’t the 1% it is the elite ruling class.

    1. It’s not 147, but 17 wounded. That’s the type of faulty journalism you get from “scoop feed”. And you complain about the MSM! That site is a grade above plant life

    1. I just couldn’t ignore this comment Sue, under the linked article..The PTB failed Sesame St. #101 where the Count teaches how to count.

      CALIFORNIAMARTY 32 minutes ago
      0 ?

      3 ?

      Two terrorists shot dead!
      This is ideology of Islam!
      A mother abandoning her child!
      He visited Saudi Arabia earlier this year but the child is six months old and there is a nine month gestational period
      putting the date of conception a year and three months ago!

      Who’s child is this?

      She abandon the child to go to a certain death in a shootout hardly a loving mother!

      It is reported that some of the coworkers he killed they killed even gave them a baby shower!
      Obama will call it work place violence
      and attack the gun lobby again!

      More

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    1. Of course … all these shooting events seem to have a drill going on nearby. This strongly suggests that federal grant money was received to conduct/practice militarization, and a “live” shooting just happens to occur nearby … JUSTIFYING the need for further militarization! Every town/city/agency wants a piece of the action, wants to get the grant money … All these “events” point to the likelihood that incorporated towns everywhere have been getting grant money to install the police state.

      1. I wonder if anyone can even project where that kind of thing goes. It all seems logical enough at first. Does anybody know in this country what it feels like to live in a police state. Well, I guess a lot of black people do.

        From my limited experience with it in Hungary, as visitor (not a tourist, but somebody visiting family) I can tell you some. Neighbors did not trust each other and avoided personal interactions. Even if you lived in a suburb, it might as well be a housing project. You kept your head down. If the city dug up your sidewalk and left exposed pipes for years, you didn’t organize to complain, you just wished they’d get on with it. There was no market anyway for your house. When you had guests they had to check in at the police station and surrender their passports until ready to leave. The lack of initiative was drummed into your school age children. Why? because your society had been ground down between two millstones: fascism and communism. You made excuses for your leaders and portrayed them to outsiders as doing as well as they could.
        This was how the average person behaved. There were a few rebels, subtly getting ready for rejoining a more natural society where someone shopped at your store because you dusted the cans in the window instead of letting everything get faded and dirty.

        How would a police state play out here? I would imagine that as with Boston the human canine would first be taught the sit-stay command, then be taught not to play or hunt with the other canines, but simply to focus on Master for all rewards. There might be lavish doggie treats, the bread and circuses. Freedom would become a rumor, a debunk-able history fiction. I’m sure the way this is done is a well-understood process.

        The thing is, what do we have that they are so intent upon stealing? I’d say it is the power of private initiative, of individual will. While that sounds grandiose, in a way it is already happening because whatever you were doing yesterday, whatever course you were embarked upon, they held you up and “made you look”. You are not supposed to ignore them, but they are supposed to ignore you.

        1. There is so much to respond to here Musings. Thanks for the description of an extant police state which provided a succinct realism to the probable outcome of any people who choose shaking in their shoes instead of taking hold of the reigns of rage. I’ve seen the terrifying results when long repressed rage was suddenly released and control was lost. So I’m not talking about that, but rather that rage is appropriate when warranted, but capable of tragedy when not in the hands of wise mastery. I’m weary of the fear that skinhead law enforcement induces and know relief mostly when I’m in touch with how angry I am. Now I suppose they will want to drag me across the park by my hair again.

          Everyone must grow up until they see that growth alone isn’t enough. A lot of bad press has been aimed against the climbers. There’s the corporate ladder climbers; the social status climbers; economic class; the equation of unbridled ambition; and climbers of the “winner take all” game in the “ultimately you lose” casino. But not enough is said in honor of those climbing out of this imp infested memory hole.

          And before I get to the also salient analogy of millstones grinding and the false political spectrum, I thought I’d have a moment of mental illness. There is a certain species of snake that weave webs like a spider. I call them sniders. They shoot webbing with sophistry laden dead-eye aim in discreet vectors. A thousand cuts, no; a thousand web vectors; and only Edward Scissorhands can see them and cut them. And when I say imps, I mean web vector sniders. And when I say Scissorhands, I mean that open instinctual part of ourselves sensitive enough to feel the tiny grasp of a single vector. Moment over.

          “The lack of initiative was drummed into your school age children”. Yes, but lets be sure to include the mercury implants in our teeth; the fluoride in the water and the eventual aluminum in the air; all the elements that converge to make the body and mind so tired that sleeping all the time seems the best solution. That initiative lost is what we needed to climb out of the memory hole and remember; WE ARE UNDER ATTACK!

          The Masquerade State can only replicate the outward forms of the republic of liberty. One of it’s most destructive weapons is the false political spectrum, and those conventions in lieu of principle; identical opposites; fascism and communism. The metaphor of millstones grinding stands along with the vise that’s operated by an efficiently leveraged screwing shaft that force the jaws to close.

  21. It’s another new technique, the “texting proof” of a real shooting. ‘Hey pops, someone is blasting us to smithereens.’ The response: ‘No problem, honey, I’ll come down, right away, and get you. Just stay low to the ground, like a mole, or maybe make a burrow for yourself – or hide in the bushes. Make yourself inconspicuous.’

    No one can find any of this believable. Is this meant to be a joke? It’s the worst, most sophomoric hoax conceivable.

    https://cbsla.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/img_1031.jpg

        1. I can agree with that, but posting nonfactual stuff like the fake text only gives fuel to those who are on the fence of what they believe. The people need to wake up and it is not going to happen if we blow things out of proportion. I just cannot believe people who do not believe the “official” versions of 911, Sandy Hook, Boston Bombing, etc. can still be watching the same old scripted news and getting hyped up about it. Please help to “set” these people on a path to truth.

      1. I can’t help but notice that the MSM has several versions of the “who” going simultaneously. He is supposed to be Pakistani in origin but a natural born U.S. citizen.

        She is, allegedly Pakistani. He was “very religious” or not, depending. He was quiet and well adjusted, or a “loner” depending.

        There were four, three or two, depending. They were wearing body armor, or “military-style clothing”, depending.

        They purchased the rifles legally and other guns were borrowed, or not, depending.

        How is it that in real cases it can take weeks, or longer, to identify the perpetrator? In these they know the name of the doctor who extracted their tonsils.

        The posited scenario makes little sense. He got mad at a Christmas party. They ran home and came back, guns blazing? Oh, and they whipped up some pipe bombs for extra measure.

        Why did the SUV have Utah plates? The list goes on and on.

        1. The whole narrative is very bizarre. The response by the police almost too fast, the comments and interviews canned, the insinuation that he was on the no fly list but traveled to Saudi Arabia AND was engaging with terrorists overseas – reportedly the most watched communications – but escaped notice while accumulating weapons and massive amounts of ammunition without a single red flag? Never mind the medical center strangely refusing patients yesterday, and the scripted witnesses and just now on CNN the non grieving kids of one of the victims on tv!!!!

        2. That’s a good question, and I certainly don’t know the answer. I even just heard about it being posted here (was it you?). The comments on the article show that many people aren’t buying this nonsense.

        3. Recynd, from the comments I’d say people are wising up. I’m hopeful that after the end of the year they’ll slow down. That’s when this year’s funding is no longer available and they have a whole year ahead of them to “dial for dollars”.

          Just think about it. For the ones where they actually kill people they are killing the citizens to get their money. Maybe we need a whole new layer of “police” to keep an eye on these parasites.

        4. Allyson, yeah, I always watch the earliest “rushes” of these things. They were all over the map. There were talks of him going to Afghanistan and his father having to go to get him back, etc..

          All that seems to have subsided. I notice how people respond to “news”. They get “impressions” not details. Then they sit around and trade ignorance. “I heard he knew Osama Bin Laden”. That sort of thing.

          That’s what they’re after. It’s their target audience. Part of the “Conspiracy Nut” meme is to equate study and logic with insanity. We are being taught to simply accept whatever they say.

        5. Multiple comments about how the press can’t keep the facts straight. They’re doing this on purpose. But why? Confusion is certainly part of it. I wonder it it’s to give multiple options as to where one can direct their anger…? Another theory… they are fishing to see which ‘story-line’ the public will buy? If they push it too far the public will call the BS? I would assume just as TV shows have test audiences to judge reactions, so does the news. They know how the public is reacting to their narrative, and I would assume they know almost immediately today.

        6. If they call me I’ll tell them I like the little girl with the sometimes missing finger. “Oh, I get confused. There are so many!”.

        7. Well Kevin, if they ask me I’ll tell them that the lesson I learned was not to invite a Muslim to the company Christmas party.

        8. Why did the SUV have Utah plates? Funny you should ask. Guess who founded San Bernardino, in spite of its Spanish name? Mormon pioneers, trying to hook up the port of Los Angeles with Salt Lake, and to supply food to Utah. Nearby is also Loma Linda University, which was a pioneer in vegetarianism. So what you have are some idealists perhaps who think that politicians can respond to the public health crisis represented by guns. I can knit together a scenario with the best of them. But I really do see this as a way of laying the ground work for a sort of Prohibition movement – where the demon rum is guns. I am afraid that the picture is somewhat distorted – much of the gun violence is a combination of suicides (whites) and urban warfare (poor people who fight for drug turf). If you just try and take away guns, the other problems will still be there. Oh, and we never hear about disarming cops- who are only getting more military-like. So much for idealists – who have forgotten what the road to hell is paved with.

        1. The amount of conjecture is laughable. Whenever something like this occurs, the characters on this site run to the mountain top to scream “fake”. Every single one.

          What disturbs you is not some goofy mindset that the president is going to confiscate your guns, although you may believe that nonsense. No, what is disturbing to you is that the libertarian world where everyone can do as they wish…including arming themselves with automatic weapons is threatened. Posts comparing our country to a police state is evidence of a defense mechanism against threats to your twisted world view. Tangentially, you’ve never experienced a police state if you think we are a great example of one

          Just know that every time you post an ill founded nonsensical entry, you aren’t doing something to prove to others; you’re merely attempting to prove something to yourself

        2. It appears that you are more focused on non-conformist opinions than you are upon the underlying evidence. It disturbs you to see that some people want to penetrate an illusion or possible illusion and to challenge the power to use that propaganda to bring about policy change.

          If you saw even one piece of evidence amiss, you might have to address it – the possibility that you are being told a lie or two. It is so much easier in your book to go after the low-hanging fruit of someone else’s doubts against an overwhelming majority which believes. The credulous believers and their whippers-in like yourself do not like a lack of total consensus – well, perhaps that is unfair to those who still accept the official story on the honest basis that they have fallen for a trick. You are not so innocent. You want to attack dissent, and do so by broadly stating something which is not true about what has been written at this site: that we all deny every event in just the same way. You are stating something which is false, but you need to do that to make your point.

          In the end you are not just mentally lazy, you are malicious.

  22. What are y’all thinking, all this News to me is your trying to Ban Guns from Legal Gun Holders, I’m Trully Ashamed and Sad This Event Took Place, and My Thoughts and Apologies Go Out To The Families Of Injured and Lost Ones, Bad People can go to Any Major City and buy Military Made Weapons Under The Table… Look at other countries and our Government Selling and Giving Military Made Weapons, and Surplus Hey We Get It – Big Money in War – Don’t Take Away Our Right To Bare Arms…
    – It’s So Depressing, Y’all Let So Gosh Darn Many illegal People In Our Country and I’m Ashamed Big Corporate America Taking Away Our Rights So Corporate America Can Get Richer and Controlling. We Can’t Even Find A News Station’s Now Days That’s Unscripted…
    – Shame On Y’all (Elected Officials) and Especially Corporate America. Heck You Can’t Even Run For President In America Today Unless You Have Millions In The Bank Or Sponsored By Corporate America…
    – Shame On Us America –

    1. When they do drills and stage these in photogenic locations, send 1,000 Stasi to cash in on the DHS money, they are called “terrorist events”.

      When they happen in the ghetto, three fat cops show up, beat a few people, reluctantly take a report and they are called “crimes”.

      So now “married with dark complexion” is a new category? This is to get you looking askance at the fat guy at work with the cat hair sweater. You know, the one with the spittle hanging from the corner of his mouth. Better keep an eye on him.

  23. It’s not complicated …

    Re: The alleged shooting at the San Bernadino disabled folk centre.

    A simple lesson in simple deconstruction :

    Think.

    Which demographic would target disabled folk ?

    Think.

    There’s only one answer.

    Natural Selection …

    Thus, the event is rooted in Alfred Russel Wallace …

    Much like the Pekka-Eric Auvinen “Natural Selection” shooting at the Jokela School in Tuusula, Finland on 7 November 2007 …

    and the Raumanmeri school shooting

    and Eric Borel, Cuers, France

    and Timothy McVeigh / OKC

    and

    Columbine

    Sandy Hook

    W. R. Myers High School shooting

    Santana High School shooting

    Pacific Lutheran University shooting

    et al …

    Eugenics.

    Nazis.

    Simples.

    You lot…

    Yes you …

    Out there…

    … thinking you might be contributing …

    You need to up your game …

    Time is short.

    MG

  24. damn, why didn’t the FBI stop the STUFF that was comin’ at us, like they did last July 4th ?!?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5maujJhnvo

    You’d think that at this school/medical/whatever venue where the spooks & grunts have been doing ~monthly active shooter drills for the preceding several months, and indeed on the very day of this ‘event’, that it would be a ‘hard target’ for the ter’sts!!

    But instead, the ter’sts rebuffed any such notion, and hit this venue anyways!?!

    What’s next?! Are the ter’sts gonna hit the J Edgar Hoover FBI Headquarters?!

    I’m purdy sure the FBI could foil that malfeasance before it could take place!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6LGZtjpdJg

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