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By Patrick Murphy

Listening to James’ fantastic interview with James Perloff, I developed a thought. The topic was the bit just after the halfway mark, when he was talking about the history of television, and how the bad guys got those machines into our houses as a sort of Trojan Horse, a gift that anyone with a mind crafted in Western Civilization would look forward to receiving. Leave It To Beaver warmed our hearts; Lucy made us laugh. No one could object to the content back then. It was anything but the Devil’s Box.

But by the late 60s, when 90% of households had come to own one, and we were already addicted, a comprehensive transformation was underway. The content was now becoming systematically darker, and steadily contrary to Biblical morality. It was training us that moral “darkness” is not objectively real, only a matter of private interpretation. Perloff rightly contends that, had the Powers that gave us television started out with the content that was put into place by the 1970s, much less more recently, no one in the 50s would have bought a set. A very fine insight.

That part of the conversation had to do with how this coincided with the transformation of the recorded music industry at the very same time, and Dave McGowan’s seminal exploration of the Laurel Canyon scene—an investigation I followed very closely almost from the start, when it was a series of Web articles. (This is the first; most of the rest can no longer be read at Dave’s site—they will now direct you to the published book, which I highly recommend. The book has one downside, though: it does not include the sometimes amazing pictures the original series of articles incorporated in the narrative. But all is not lost! You can read the whole series, starting here, as it originally appeared, complete with pictures. That said, Dave added lots of new, valuable, content when he made it into a book, so I recommend reading both).

Anyway, this year being the centenary of Frank Sinatra’s birth, Mark Steyn, long-time chronicler of the history of the Great American Songbook, has dedicated his “Song of the Week” feature to the backstory of the songs most associated with Frank. (This is the first in the series. I warn you, it is addictive.)

Perhaps I should explain where I’m going with this. Having been born in 1960, I grew up in the era of rock and roll bands  and singer/songwriters, so it was probably inevitable that I would have no truck with Sinatra until later in life. Sure, I liked hearing the songs when a movie used them to nice effect, but until I started reading Steyn’s “song of the week” essays some years ago, I was barely aware of the history of songwriting, much less the business behind it. Mark’s wonderful story-telling reveals this as a fascinating, indeed thrilling, portion of modern history. The fact that I knew next to nothing of this essential building block of the world we now inhabit is quite telling, and Perloff’s remarks put it in focus.

As a little kid I never listened to the radio, and thus only learned about the Beatles when I was ten or eleven years old—after they had already broken up. The bands I developed an interest in were all representative of that time; the first record I bought was Simon and Garfunkel’s Bridge Over Troubled Water.  Elton John, Cat Stevens, The Rolling Stones, the Beatles, Led Zeppelin—you get the picture—constituted the world of popular song for me.  It was as if the songs in old movies were an abstraction, a thing no one would wish to listen to on the radio, much less collect record albums of them.  In truth, though, I never really thought about it.

Perloff’s insight, in the interview, explains that strange reality.

A friend of mine, who is somewhat older than I, is a HUGE fan of the Great American Songbook; he knows all about Cole Porter and Dorothy Fields and George Gershwin, Irving Berlin and all the rest, and when he found out that I, too, am a fan of that music, he advised me to read The House That George Built, by Wilfrid Sheed. I’m glad he did. It is a truly magical read, unfolding as it does the growth of a cultural phenomenon that began with the 20th century. It is great fun to learn about the personalities that fashioned an entirely new, deeply involving, aspect of social reality.

Unfortunately, as the 60s came in, the Forces Of Darkness were taking over that lovely thing, and refashioning it into a tool to shape the collective mind of the youth for horrible purposes.

McGowan writes about The Wrecking Crew, the gaggle of virtuoso session musicians who were the guys who actually played on the fantastic early hit records of many of the late 60s Laurel Canyon bands, when the supposed rock stars had still not really learned to play well enough to sell records. (A movie just came out about it, called, strangely enough, The Wrecking Crew—a fine documentary, and long overdue.) One explanation of the name given to that loose-knit collection of modern masters is the premonition that their existence spelled the end of the world as it had been, a world where Nelson Riddle and Billy May arranged and conducted actual orchestras to back Billy Holiday and Ella Fitzgerald and Frank Sinatra, while they sang the songs of Gershwin and Cole Porter and Johnny Mercer. Electric guitars and drum sets permanently replaced strings and brass and woodwinds—and no one would ever again conduct.)

And it was only a matter of time before even THAT world would be done away with, and all the “instruments” heard on pop recordings would often be computerized simulacra of the real thing.

The point is that however badly the likes of Sinatra might behave with the broads in his real bigger-than-life life, the music itself was reliably wholesome and fine, and decent people would not hesitate to expose their children to it—just as Lucy and Dezi’s private life bore no resemblance to the one everyone saw and admired on I Love Lucy.

The difference between the two, really, is that—if Perloff is correct—television was intended as a Trojan Horse from its very inception, whereas the recorded music business was born innocently, and had to be bent into a corrupt monstrosity over time. Recorded music started out wholesome and decent and matured into something the culture was rightly proud of, only to be taken over and ruined once it was a mature and influential cultural influence.

The minds of the youth, starting with my generation, were systematically shaped by these new, malign, influences. It has come to the point where the transition phase has long since been completed; just as with television, there is no uncontrolled music any more. It is a tool of the System, of a terrifying agenda, wielded by monsters to craft a planned future for us all, the future Orwell saw on the near horizon.


It is instructive to contemplate the difference.

The record industry started life around the same time the long brewing plot to overthrow Western Civilization took its final form (that would be 1913, the year the central bank, our so-called “Federal Reserve” was launched; the Senate was wrenched away from the States; and an income tax was imposed on the people—all that was missing was a catastrophic war that would wash away all memory of life as it had been, but World War I would soon remedy that).

That is to say, our masters were not yet prepared to intercept and shape a new form of popular entertainment even as it was emerging out of the creative genius of the American spirit. It was still a time when a roiling, intoxicating, brew could spontaneously blossom out of the joyous enthusiasm of immigrants who loved their new country and were eager to help shape its culture into something lovely. Mark Steyn makes the fascinating observation that to a great extent we have that horrible war to thank for the Great American Songbook, because until then Americans mostly got the tunes they whistled from the London stage, second hand. But as Britain gave itself over to trench warfare in France and Belgium, the plays stopped being produced. The vacuum thus created turned out to be the grand opportunity that would be filled by Jerome Kern, Irving Berlin, George Gershwin and all the rest of those impoverished new arrivals in the Lower East Side of New York.

Much the same can be said of the singers. Billy Holiday is a phenomenon that was only made possible at that moment in time, in that place. Sinatra’s career likewise could never have happened in any other time or place. Plays like Showboat became possible, and Frank Loesser was able to give the world Guys and Dolls, because we were creating singers to sing those wonderful songs.

It was necessary for the secret government to capture that wild creature and tame it, before it could be twisted into something evil to use for its own devices. The Vigilant Citizen web site, in its hundreds of articles on the subject, chronicles the sad lives of those who seek stardom in what our masters have done to the record industry. To succeed there today, you must agree to be a pawn for the forces of evil to use to systematically indoctrinate the masses. By now, to be a success in the music business, you have to play a part written for you by the machine that is using music to fashion the New World Order.

Contemplating Perloff’s remarks, it occurred to me that our masters learned a lesson as they observed the development of popular song in the first half of the 20th century in America. They have no patience with freedom, much less genuine creativity expressed by free people left to their own devices. It is complete control over slaves that they wish, and they will do what it takes to make it so.

Television, on the other hand, was under their complete control from the start. We need to remember that television was invented in the 20s, but was not introduced to the public until the 50s. It was not a spontaneous, organic, expression of a freewheeling, joyous, people. The entire industry was a product, planned from start to finish. And I think Perloff is correct when he concludes that that plan was a key element in the creation of the New World Order.

Music and visual entertainment are food for the mind; they can be expressions of it, and they can mold it.

The soul is made of three things: the mind, the will, and the emotions. Music and television are twin gateways to the mind, and they have a profound effect on the will and the emotions for good or for evil. Too bad for us that the forces of darkness have complete control over both of them, and use that control to capture our souls.

Patrick Murphy, a frequent participant in the conversation at the Memory Hole Blog, runs a small (very small) business in Indianapolis, and is the author of the books How the West Was Lost and The Stairway to Heaven, information about which can be found at


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  1. Thank you for the interesting post Patrick, but the control of darkness is not total.

    Imagine it pouring, it’s raining down on us
    Mosh pits outside the oval office
    Someone’s tryina tell us something,
    Maybe this is God just sayin’ we’re responsible
    For this monster, this coward,
    That we have empowered

    Ok I admit it is getting rarer all the time to get insightful lyrics in mainstream sources, but there is anohterway 🙂

    1. Sorry if I exaggerated overly BB. I agree that God is authority over all principalities and powers (and I, too, use the Blue Letter Bible in my research, because of its amazing convenience; I love to click on the concordance button, as you did, to see the Greek and Hebrew behind the English words).

      And yes, there are alternatives creative, uncontrolled musicians avail themselves of. One person who is deeply connected to that world is Mark Devlin:

      Of course, though, the point I was trying to make is that the overwhelming reality is one of control. Just think about what happened to Justin Bieber, who started out wholesome, and broke into the public consciousness outside of the centralized recording industry. Look at him now. (Oh! Look At Me Now, incidentally, is a terrific Sinatra song:

  2. The problem with music, is that classical music education was defunded about thirty years ago. The villain is not TV. Bands still get funded, but without students learning anything about the history of music, or learning to play orchestra instruments, their notion of music is strictly limited. Also, opera singers used to sing Broadway as part of their concerts, and were very popular doing so, and now song recitals have become dull with the same lieder over and over, paired with cacophonous unappealing new music. Young people have very few music choices now, and unless funding comes back for classical music in the schools, which is proven to develop thinking processes, they’ll be hearing more boring unsophisticated rap.

    1. Patrick brings up the great Nelson Riddle. In 1971, when I was in the sixth grade, my school district actually had an annual event called ‘Stairway to the Stars’ in which Nelson Riddle conducted all the student orchestras and chorus groups at the Santa Monica Auditorium in celebration of graduating either elementary, junior or high school. Families and friends filled the entire grand theatre and an LP album was even pressed for the event with a cover photo montage of our night with Mr. Riddle. I had an absolute BLAST and was blissfully unaware how this was near the tail-end of magnificent public education in California.

  3. Patrick-I agree with you about Dave McGowan. His book on Laurel Canyon is a real eye opener. How many of those bands we all loved were really even playing their own instruments, or writing their own music? On the other hand, the contemporary scene is not quite as dismal as you suggest. So just to cheer you up a bit, here’s a group of fresh faced young musicians from Brooklyn who aren’t just a “computerized simulacra of the real thing”. Most of them are classically trained, some with perfect pitch, and they write their own music to boot. Here they are live:

  4. Many interesting theories about how music was hijacked now exist. There are those who believe The Beatles was a product of the Tavistock Institute, as chronicled by John Coleman (author of The Committee of 300).

    Then, there’s the theory that the change from 432 Hz to 440 Hz was dictated by Nazi propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels. 432 Hz was allegedly a healing frequency.

    Then there’s the whole theory that rap is an outgrowth of Conintelpro to control the youth, with the idea of destroying rock and bringing in nihilistic melody-less gangstah rap.

    Fun stuff. More fun than listening to the radio.

    1. “Then, there’s the theory that the change from 432 Hz to 440 Hz was dictated by Nazi propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels”

      Just another pointless “theory” ( not dogging you B truth)

      Detuning a Natural “A” from 440hz to 432hz is ridiculous and its no mystery,
      it’s pure BullSh$t.

      All it does it lower the Pitch.

      If you know the Music Biz. So many records are slowed to make it thicker or sped up to clean it up.

      It makes that whole theory go out the the window.

      John Coleman and his whole MI5 wrote all the Beatles Songs gig…Please, I’ll leave it there..really

      Rap.. Conintel Pro?.

      No Just what happened. Like anything.

      Do “they” take advantage of all the music and movies since the 1900’s to Now?

      Of Course and it’s nothing new.

      If the CIA wrote all the Beatles Songs, Stones, Cat Stevens, Buffalo Springfield, Cream, Yes, Genesis, ELP ( I can go ’till the cows come home) I want to JOIN the CIA. Wow, what a creative group……Really?.

      Sometimes we need to breathe and look at our two feet.

      When is the Temple Not White?
      White is White….,
      Not White is Not White

  5. What a great article Patrick! I too was riveted to Dave McGowan’s info for 3 straight days a couple yrs. ago. I finally bought his book at Christmas for myself. I grew up a little North of Laurel Canyon and as a product of the 60’s was heavily influenced by all of it. I’m looking fwd. to checking out all the links you left. Thanks!

  6. What is great about today’s music business? Anyone can record a CD at low cost and sell directly to the public after their concerts and keep 100% of the profits. Just think where John Fogerty would be today if he could have sold his own LPs at Creedence concerts. Bands like ‘Walk off the Earth’ just kill it with their youtube performances that drive demand for their concert tickets. Want to hear some great music live for free? Look up and punch in your area code. It will give you a map of open mic events in your area. You will be surprised how good the music is. There’s usually a dozen music acts that each play 3 songs. Most of them do it for the pure joy they get from performing live to a small attentive audience. No matter where you go, there’s more talent than you expect. That’s how I travel now, a day’s drive to the next open mic night. I have played at Niagara Falls and St. Louis for no other reason than it was the end of a day’s drive and I found an open mic. No better way to unwind from being “road wired” from 12 hours of asphalt pounding. Since the PTB have made air travel such a dreaded experience, I have rediscovered the joys of cross country travel by car. You must see this performance by “Walk off the Earth”. It is guaranteed to brighten your world, 165,000,000 people can’t be wrong!

    1. I love this story. Thanks, Derek. Awesome piece of music, too!

      This is, of course, what I was referring to in my reference to Justin Bieber, in reply to Badness Bear. He became famous through self-produced YouTube videos.

      Anyone who wants to remain completely independent, and has something delightful to share with fans who are happy to purchase their work directly, must also be content to keep it small–forever. The problem is the dream of superstardom that entices those who taste this small measure of financial success. If they cross over to the dark side, and sign with a major label, the scenario I paint in the article will inevitably unfold.

      That temptation, I suspect, derives from the fact that it is exclusively the slaves to the system who get recognized on television, are “validated” on awards shows, and–these days at least–find themselves invited to perform at the White House. The wonderful artists you seek out must be capable of never becoming known to the masses the music industry holds in its grasp..

      For what it’s worth, Dave McGowan embedded this video the other day at his Weird Scened Inside the Canyon Facebook page, showing how already in the early 70s this problem was already so obvious it could be joked about in the popular culture:


    2. Good stuff man. This system is an evil octopus. Indy music comes out, and they, compared to superstars, hardly have audiences but can focus on music with no strings from the labels. Slowly, as more people like the music, the labels are infiltrated and so on. God, Come soon!
      I have given up wanting a career being a popular musician (one I wanted since being a young teenager, as so many have wanted) since I really learned about the industry. Especially because I sing about God at times, and of Tribulation, I could never be successful without changing my views/values and I’d rather live a normal life as a child of God, a member of the church and the bride of Christ, than die having compromised my faith and possibly losing my soul to this world.
      If anyone is interested, here is a sample of my original music, with the lyrics in the description. It is called “7 Day Forecast/ He is Coming” about the 7 year tribulation and antichrist, but that He is Coming (Jesus) to crush theenemy.

      1. Joshua,Thank you,Brother,for your witness. God bless us. Choose2know is right;the Beast truly does despise us,just as he did our Savior, Jesus Christ…indeed He is coming!

  7. Patrick, I enjoyed your article as I’d read Dave McGowan’s expose several years ago and had seen the youtube videos that were once available. It was all certainly an eye opener for me and yet his allegations did not seem foolish or over the top. I was coming of age in the 60’s era and the music impacted me more than any other single thing in the culture. I was educated, well read, and I had a integral Christian background yet I was completely taken over by the promise of enlightment to be found in rebellion. I’d almost prefer to believe that I’d been manipulated by some power elite than to acknowlege that I’d fallen for some vapid cultural shift that negatively inpacted my life for many years. Sex, drugs and rock and roll was a choice that many of us made stupidly thinking that within the self destructive behavior lay some freedom, some meaning that our parents couldn’t fathom. Obviously they just weren’t cool enough. I still listen up when I hear a Jim Morrison song, Hendrix wailing, or Janis Joplin singing her pain out. d Neil Young was in a class by himself and seemed to be some mystic who had answers to all the questions. This music accompaned my life. It was the backbeat to failed relationships, getting high, and it provided me with the notion that I “got it”, that I was in on some secret. And ah the regrets still keep me awake some nights. I threw away an opportunity for a first class education. I said no to the good men and followed the bad boys to the clubs where they were doling out their imitations of my musical “gods”. I wonder how many of my generation failed to achieve what they could have because they too were seduced by this empty trap. Some may thing I’m being too harsh because after all, aren’t the 60’s the good ol’ days now? Yes the civil rights and feminism seemed to gain ground and you can bet I burned my bra and married the first draft dodger/musician I could convince myself I loved. Well, my false idols began to die of drug overdoses, of suicide and I woke up to the fact that they didn’t have any answers for me at all. I reclaimed my life and rectified as many mistakes as possible.
    Then the 80’s arrived and I saw my own adolscent children being manipulated in the same ways, just by different faces and a different beat. I saw it and I fought it but the system took them in too, into negativilty and darkness. Television made it cool to be proiscuous and the term “friends with benefits” was part of their college education. Absolutely I believe that none of this was by coincidence or mere sychronicity. The question remains as to how families may defeat this beast system that makes us weak and vunerable to their control. Churches has less impact than parents and public education is to my mind part of the system too. Perhaps it’s that we can only hope for survival and pray for a wake up call that we are controlled by a beast system that may actually despise us.

    1. Most of what you say can be said of me as well, although coming of age in the 70s I was haunted by a sense that “something happened in the 60s” that I missed out on, and I regretted it, and tried to discover what it was. I read The Electric Cool Aid Acid Test, and books by Timothy Leary, and believed the wondrous music held a musical key. I believed that the cultural revolution that was underway was indeed something to be grateful for, and to not just learn about, but learn from.

      Around 1978 I stopped watching television, so I missed out on many things that are universally shared, a common language of our culture. So I rented some of the shows, and watched every episode, so that I could know the references (it’s why I rented all of The Andy Griffith show to show my daughter, who was born in 1995–anyone who doesn’t know who Barney Fife is can’t really be said to be fully American).

      Two shows in particular, Friends and Seinfeld, are like that. As I made my way through them it struck me that these–Friends particularly–are archetypal adolescent wish fulfillment fantasies. The idea is that you can enjoy all the sensual benefits of adulthood without ever being burdened with adult responsibilities, much less make any commitment to the future, which requires sacrificing one’s personal pleasure. All these characters are absolutely dedicated to immediate gratification. They have charmed lives, in that they live in the most desirable parts of Manhattan, have plenty of money to pay for restaurants and entertainment. Above all, they have chosen a “family” comprised of people just like themselves, so they are never challenged about the worldview they hold–a worldview never seen before in history.

      I contend that those two shows represent the most evil consequences of that cultural revolution–evil disguised as a charming joie de vivre. They assume a set of assumptions that their vast audience shared, a paradigm at complete odds with the virtues of all the generations that came before. It is very important to observe that everyone loved those characters, and laughed at the situations the writers put them in, with complete sympathy. Our great-grandparents would be horrified.

      Above all, there were no negative consequences for any of their actions (well, alright, George Costanza–although it was never permanent). None of them became drunks or crackheads; they never got AIDS or VD; no unwanted pregnancies, much less abortions, for all the casual sex they were all obsessed with. They were all witty and attractive–like the Picture of Dorien Gray.

      The shows, like the music, are now much more openly despicable, of course, because the downward spiral continues. Sex And The City now looks tame by comparison with what is being put out today.

      Anyway, thanks for your thoughts, choose2know.

      1. Patrick, you did miss out. I’ve said my piece about McGownan”s theories several times. He’s a good writer and it makes interesting copy. I was there. It’s largely bunk.

        I can’t understand why otherwise sensible people so easily fall for this broad brush, one size fits all, approach to a dynamic and interesting time. He writes logically, his premises are largely wrong. They are wrong because he is speculating about something he didn’t experience himself.

        But, go ahead. Have fun. I guess we were all just drug-addled, brain dead know-nothings, easily manipulated by Satanic forces. Or, maybe not.

        1. Lophatt,
          Once again I connect to what you say.

          You said:

          “Patrick, you did miss out. I’ve said my piece about McGownan”s theories several times. He’s a good writer and it makes interesting copy. I was there. It’s largely bunk. ”

          I’ve tried to say this so many times here.( I saw a lot too/lived here)

          Did “they” take advantage of the Music scene and while we’re at the movies Biz? YES

          Of Course as they do today.

          As I said in one of my earlier rants (revised for clarity)

          “I was very lucky. I had 3 older sisters that turned me on to the sixties. I was born in ’58 and the scar on my arm proves it.
          Being the youngest, you get to learn a lot from the eldest”

          “I got to enjoy the sixties from a back seat view being so young and I’ll never trade it for anything.” And I really mean it.

          I was like 5 years old and saw the whole JFK go down. My Parents and Uncles Crying.

          I saw the Beatles debut on Ed Sullivan in ’64 at just 5 years old and “got” it.. I was a crazed music fan from like 3 years old and became a musician and songwriter to this day.

          My Dad and Mom were both great singers and loved Country Music and so did I. My Dad played steel guitar and knew some of the greats like Buck Owens.

          My whole world changed in 1964 when I saw the Beatles and I was just 5 turning 6 in October that year.

          Pat is only 2 years younger than me and he missed the “60’s like most my age and his.

          As I said, I just got Lucky. I cried as a young lad in’69 when the Beatles broke up. I know ,silly but I was only like 11 years old.

          I saw a lot and was as tuned in as much as a young boy could be.. I’ll never trade those memories for anything.
          And the ’70’s? Cat Stevens, Neil Young, Yes progressive music….Wow.

        2. I can only reconcile this situation by perceiving it as a very large misunderstanding–of what Dave is actually doing. He does VERY little speculating; he’s pretty much just assembling facts, and drawing obvious conclusions. For instance, Part I tells us who Jim Morrison’s dad was, what the Tonkin Gulf incident was, and how the Viet Nam situation lay at that moment. The music scene in Laurel Canyon was just beginning at that moment. Then, he writes this:

          An uncanny number of rock music superstars will emerge from Laurel Canyon beginning in the mid-1960s and carrying through the decade of the 1970s. The first to drop an album will be The Byrds, whose biggest star will prove to be David Crosby. The band’s debut effort, “Mr. Tambourine Man,” will be released on the Summer Solstice of 1965. It will quickly be followed by releases from
          the John Phillips-led Mamas and the Papas (If You Can Believe Your Eyes and Ears, January 1966)
          Love with Arthur Lee (Love, May 1966)
          Frank Zappa and The Mothers of Invention (Freak Out, June 1966)
          Buffalo Springfield, featuring Stephen Stills and Neil Young (Buffalo Springfield, October 1966)
          The Doors (The Doors January 1967)
          One of the earliest on the Laurel Canyon/Sunset Strip scene is Jim Morrison, the enigmatic lead singer of The Doors. Jim will quickly become one of the most iconic, controversial, critically acclaimed, and influential figures to take up residence in Laurel Canyon.

          Next, he outlines the old Frank Zappa played; the personal history and family background of John Phillips, Steven Stills, David Crosby, Jackson Brown, and a few others. Then he says this:

          All these folks gathered nearly simultaneously along the narrow, winding roads of Laurel Canyon. They came from across the country – although the Washington, DC area was noticeably over-represented – as well as from Canada and England. They came even though, at the time, there was no music industry in Los Angeles. They came even though, at the time, there was no live music scene to speak of. They came even though, in retrospect, there was no discernable reason for them to do so.

          It would, of course, make sense these days for an aspiring musician to venture out to Los Angeles. But in those days, the centers of the music universe were Nashville, Memphis and New York. It wasn’t the industry that drew the Laurel Canyon crowd, you see, but rather the Laurel Canyon crowd that transformed Los Angeles into the epicenter of the music industry. To what then do we attribute this unprecedented gathering of future musical superstars in the hills above Los Angeles? What was it that inspired them all to head out west? Perhaps Neil Young said it best when he told an interviewer that he couldn’t really say why he headed out to LA circa 1966; he and others “were just going like Lemmings.”

          This is from Part II:

          When I recently presented to a friend a truncated summary of the information contained in the first installment of this series, said friend opted to play the devil’s advocate by suggesting that there was nothing necessarily nefarious in the fact that so many of these icons of a past generation hailed from military/intelligence families. Perhaps, he suggested, they had embarked on their chosen careers as a form of rebellion against the values of their parents. And that, I suppose, might be true in a couple of cases. But what are we to conclude from the fact that such an astonishing number of these folks (along with their girlfriends, wives, managers, etc.) hail from a similar background? Are we to believe that the only kids from that era who had musical talent were the sons and daughters of Navy Admirals, chemical warfare engineers and Air Force intelligence officers? Or are they just the only ones who were signed to lucrative contracts and relentlessly promoted by their labels and the media?

          If these artists were rebelling against, rather than subtly promoting, the values of their parents, then why didn’t they ever speak out against the folks they were allegedly rebelling against? Why did Jim Morrison never denounce, or even mention, his father’s key role in escalating one of America’s bloodiest illegal wars? And why did Frank Zappa never pen a song exploring the horrors of chemical warfare (though he did pen a charming little ditty entitled “The Ritual Dance of the Child-Killer”)? And which Mamas and Papas song was it that laid waste to the values and actions of John Phillip’s parents and in-laws? And in which interview, exactly, did David Crosby and Stephen Stills disown the family values that they were raised with?

          Good questions. And note that he says nothing about the CONSUMERS of the music. In fact, I don’t think he ever does, anywhere, so to sarcastically say “we were all just drug-addled, brain dead know-nothings, easily manipulated by Satanic forces” is to misrepresent what he’s doing. I am certainly guilty of drawing the speculative conclusion that Laurel Canyon was the transition phase that leads directly to the monstrosity that is the record business today–but we can’t blame Dave for that.

          Also in Part II, Dace asks this question:

          The question that we will be tackling is a more deeply troubling one: “what if the musicians themselves (and various other leaders and founders of the ‘movement’) were every bit as much a part of the intelligence community as the people who were supposedly harassing them?” What if, in other words, the entire youth culture of the 1960s was created not as a grass-roots challenge to the status quo, but as a cynical exercise in discrediting and marginalizing the budding anti-war movement and creating a fake opposition that could be easily controlled and led astray?

          I’m glad he started asking it. I’m also glad he did not focus on the results of that “exercise,” being the good reporter that he was.

        3. I should add this. As Dave explored further, he found other elements of the history that helped ensure that the new musical paradigm would take root very big and very fast. Parts 5&6 are about Vito and his Freaks (little remembered today, but an essential ingredient in getting the movement up and running), a group of crazy dancers who attracted tourists to the brand new nightclubs that had just opened up to provide a venue for the brand new bands to play in. Vito’s band of weirdos were the only Hippies in the world at that time, but they set the pattern the whole country would soon be following. Part 7 is about the “Young Turks,” the new breed of “cool” actors who the press assured its readers could be found hanging out in the new nightclubs along with Vito’s gang.

          The new Sunset Strip nightclubs were a key element in the development of the new scene, and the press pushed hard to make the public interested in what was going on there.

          He also discovered a very disturbing pattern of deaths in the canyon–mostly suspicious and almost always, preposterously in most cases, deemed “suicide” (it turns out that this pattern goes back to the first development of the Canyon a century ago). He devotes Part 3 to some of the most prominent weird deaths.

          Part 4 is about the history of the development of the Canyon–including a top, top secret, completely self-sufficient intelligence agency movie studio, as well as the remarkable Robert A Heinlein connection.

          I don’t think he ever speculates about the spiritual dimension of the plot to shape the future, but he does notice a lot of occult activity (not to mention the production of porn and snuff films) in the canyon.

          He asks us if all this can be a coincidence. I, for one, do not think so.

    2. Choose2know,Quite simply,you told the story of my life…thank you! All I can do is continue to live life on life’s terms and take care of my spiritual condition each day.

  8. Patrick–Liked your article. Being in my 60’s and without referencing how the ‘dark forces’ of the NWO have totally hijacked popular music, this is what’s missing–artists and bands from back in the day like–Chicago,John Denver, Joni Mitchell,Judy Collins, Doobie Brothers,Temptations, Spinners, James Brown,Aretha,Dionne Warwick, Peter,Paul and Mary, Lighthouse.Sergio Mendes and Brasil ’66,Johnny Mathis, Ann Murray, Whitney and on and on and on. Music made you feel good back then. There were music variety shows that showcased these artists. Now the vids and shows are Satanic rituals with MK ultra’d celebrities.

  9. People who complain about the music industry are only seeing the corporate stuff.

    Check out the independent artists.

    Neal Morse is the most talented player and producer out there. His stuff is startling in its originality and brilliance. Imagine music with the imagination and skill of Yes but with Christian lyrics. He did a concept album about the Holy Temple and its foreshadowing of Christ. The album is called simply “?” and it’s songs are all connected so it plays as one straight hour-long piece. It’s a work of genius, and you miss that sort of thing if you only pay attention to corporate junk.

    Neal also plays with a band called Transatlantic, and while he doesn’t make that overtly Christian, it sure isn’t negative!

    For some astounding horns and fun, check out the Brian Setzer Orchestra: it’s ’50s and ’60s rock with a full big band.

    There’s actually a lot of fantastic work out there, but you have to investigate.

  10. To succeed there today, you must agree to be a pawn for the forces of evil to use to systematically indoctrinate the masses.

    This is as wrong as the vigilant citizen is fantasy. I have been personally involved in the way industry for over a decade and it can best be described as entertainment.

    Humans are naturally curious and have an innate desire to find their purpose in life. If jayz makes more money by flashing Illuminati signs, don’t you think he would do it? This is new incarnation of the same satanic innuendos of the 70’s and 80’s.

  11. Jamming In The Key of O

    If some of the regulars here got together to play music, I doubt they would last long if they tried to mix members with a Big-Brand-One-God religious affiliation with those who have no such. Music usually gets around to the interest of the soul and the intense emotion that accompanies it’s welfare.

    It’s happened before, where some members of a nascent or extant band, consistently conjure the Big G. The sins of omission and commission are overlooked because the sin of edict makes nonsense out of them. The sins of Hub 9.11 would sink further into the memory hole as the Big G would, beside premature activation of forgiveness and a single way out, make guilty babies. What other interpretation can one make from, “all alike have sinned and come short of the Glory of God”. The two systems that deal with either consequential wrongdoing, or, sin by proclamation, do not mix except like oil and water that separate without constant agitation or emulsifiers.

    From the Hub, the spoke Sandy Hook would still be firmly lodged in the cheek of the mass that still reside in the human frame, and feel the terror of uncomputable loss in what can now be revealed as a farce that exemplified the myth of pure evil. If only they knew, and could see through the false authority they dare not stray from for fear of the loss of their very identity. To reach them requires a psy-op of our own. A psychologically crafted “dissemination” if you will Mr. Favor.

    Does anyone want to know why our critical observations into the psyopticon haven’t gone viral? There is too much respect for belief and not enough for where human scaled trust belongs. The trinity of the Big G, consisting of it’s three monotheistic abstract versions, Islamic, Judaic, and Christian, is a guarantee of inter-alienation and internecine warfare.

    Please respect my religion. It rejects the presumption that a ple-thora of gods and goddesses is inferior to a personified Singularity. How will they throw off the unholy concept that cruelly destroys all efforts toward community in harmony as civilization.

    How will they throw off the fear that torments their dreams as it enforces an abject desperation that would do anything to escape it; that hides behind a facade of piety and Stockholm Syndromed identification; that is a slave to the holders and wielders of “eternal damnation”. The only one in my religion that should be absolutely and permanently destroyed, is, the false and evil myth of eternal damnation.

    1. “Please respect my religion. It rejects the presumption that a ple-thora of gods and goddesses is inferior to a personified Singularity. How will they throw off the unholy concept that cruelly destroys all efforts toward community in harmony as civilization.”

      Man, I thought I was NUTS….Maybe Thorazine isn’t a bad drug after all….

    2. The only thing you,left out in your rant was the Pleiadians are sucking our grey matter out of our brains to sustain the molecule continuum of the time space conundrum that diffuses our reality of whats real and an illusion.

      But other than that I can see you probably are a Graduate of Harvard (Universal Church) or Stanford (Skull and Bones 322 ). Same Sh&t.

    3. HaHa, I can’t let it go.

      This dude is either a paid troll or completely INSANE.

      Here we go…

      “How will they throw off the fear that torments their dreams as it enforces an abject desperation that would do anything to escape ”


      I thought I was insane…

      Dig this one..

      “Does anyone want to know why our critical observations into the psyopticon haven’t gone viral? ”


      “How will they throw off the fear that torments their dreams as it enforces an abject desperation that would do anything to escape it; that hides behind a facade of piety and Stockholm Syndromed identification”

      Your killing me Dude…..

      Man, you are way out there but I think you mean well for whats its worth.

      I’m sorry but WTF?

      1. Congratulations, Ric, on being the only one to read that complete comment. Now go wash your brain in soap and water.

        It appears “In living Color’s” Oswald Bates has struck again.

        I forgot last time, so I will thank Choose2know for leaving it all out there with her soulful comment.

  12. I don’t watch TV. Threw out my TV set more than 20 years ago. Wonder if the computer replaced the TV, more or less? Spend most my time on the computer.

  13. Anderson Cooper… just part of the machine that engineers consent with synthetic tragedy like Sandy Hook and the Boston Marathon Bombing. No need to cover news when it can be simulated instead.

  14. My father-in-law, who was a band and choral conductor, wrote a book in the late ’70s about the effect of the darkness of modern pop music on “Christian” songwriting and performing. It didn’t have a big run, but he got (and still gets) letters from all over the word from people who were excited and glad he wrote it. He’s now revising it–at age 87! I’m forwarding your excellent article to him.

  15. […] What Happened to the Music? : “By the late 1960s, 90% of households had come to own a TV, and they were already addicted, a comprehensive transformation was underway. The content was now becoming systematically darker, and steadily contrary to Biblical morality. It was training us that moral “darkness” is not objectively real, only a matter of private interpretation. Perloff rightly contends that, had the Powers that gave us television started out with the content that was put into place by the 1970s, much less more recently, no one in the 50s would have bought a set. A very fine insight.” […]

  16. Holy Moley, Patrick, I just finished the Dave McGowan piece part one on Laurel Canyon and I feel like I stumbled into a Tolkien fantasy of grotesque cartoon characters pulled from a brillant, though off-center,
    creator’s imaginaion. Wish that were the truth of it.
    Apparently, you didn’t miss much from eschewing the 60s melodrama. It was a carefully contrived fictive development from its inception.

    Not as surprised as I am disappointed. Something about the music that did stick in one’s memory, if nothing else jelled. I said it was more hype than real and more style than substance; seemed to sense that intuitively.

    Thanks for the information; quite an education. I just have two words for the music devotees among us: Big Bands. Now that was MUSIC!!! Can go back to the crooners–Crosby and his era then followed by Sinatra and the men and women who sang with the Dorsey bands or Guy Lombardo, etc., throughout the fourties. Elvis ushered in the end to those wonderful musical gatherings with dancing–when couples held one another and we all knew the words of the songs, mostly about love’s trials and errors. Loved the groups that dominated the fifties, as well–The Lettermen. The Four Lads and many other coral ensembles.

    I miss those times and regret what passes for music now.
    Have you seen the latest “Hanna Montana” regression into tongue-wagging Miley Cyrus’ soft porn act at a recent music awards show? Disgraceful…Her father said the industry was now in control of her career; no one had any more say in the matter.

    1. I love everything you say here, Marilyn.

      The VC has written about Miley all along the way. His site is searchable. Very tragic.

      Many of his articles chronicle the mind control factory which is Disney; they present fresh new very young, innocent, girls to the vast child audience. Our kids watch those wholesome televised “friends” grow up, and feel affinity with them. Then, they morph into “bad” girls, and often become truly tragic, out of control public spectacles. Britney Spears, for instance. One can only wonder where Miley will end up.

      This is mind control not just of the kids Disney owns the careers of; it is a moulding of the minds of the target audience. Good girls are SUPPOSED to go bad: it’s the natural arc of life. Lesson well learned, if we observe the culture around us.

      1. There’s an article out on the ether that delineates and describes the satanist images and practices of Lady Gaga. It was amazing to see the symbolism take shape and truly describe the mind control that went into creation of this gargoyle called Lady Gaga. For a ton of money, Gaga gets to vilify herself and create the monster that she really is. Amazing story, most likely sourceable on the Net and well worth the effort. Very well worth the effort.
        Life has become Eyes Wide Shut to a T. Nothing real, nothing pure and nothing worth hanging onto. When does the crash come?

  17. A lot of money spent and time wasted going to see some great band here or there over the years. The here today and gone tomorrow pattern of the music industry is proof that something is going on. They use people up and throw them away like any other pimp. Great music with bad lyrics was the seduction. Probably why I became a fan of great instrumentalists like Joe Satriani and Eric Johnson, better yet some La Villa Strangiato by Rush(instrumental) These days I would rather sit by the fire and listen to some live James McMurtry or Bob Marley.

    Who was they guy who claimed to have been in the music industry and disappeared? Was it John Todd? He actually claimed they used to perform satanic rituals over original tapes to attach evil spirits to the music. I’m not sure if all that was really necessary. We usually burn ourselves without much help.

    I applaud the author for showing his kid the old Andy Griffith show. A valiant effort indeed. No one should be deprived of Barney Fife, Floyd, Goober, or Otis.

  18. Hey Pat,
    I just want to tell you something. I was very lucky. I had 3 older sisters that turned me on to the sixties. I was born in ’58 and the scare on my arm proves it.

    Being the youngest, you get to learn a lot more than being the eldest that is most likely the Responsible one and feels that”s its their mandated role through pressure to be responsible.

    I understand to all of you Elders bros and sis’s..

    Anyways, my daughter is kicking me off the computer (she’s 27 (old Bag) don’t live here but you know if you have off spring..haha

    Anyways, I got to enjoy the sixties from a back seat view being so young and I’ll never trade it for anything.

    The Day the Music Died….

  19. UPDATE: Marilyn’s comment inspired me to skim through the Dave McGowan articles again, and I noticed that the link I provided, inexplicably, stopped adding the new entries before it was all over. I have found another archive of those articles (all of them):

    I have reviewed this collection and discovered that it includes lots more pictures (very helpful), and even a smattering of videos and radio interviews Dave’s original set never had.

    It’s interesting to revisit these articles, re-experiencing what it was like as Dave was gradually posting his discoveries. It’s a lot more intimate than the book he eventually turned it into, more personal–as one would expect. As I said in my article, I recommend both, but reviewing these articles it is clear that lots of really great stuff (beyond the pictures) did not make it into the book. So anyone who wants to know this material, and started with the archive I linked to in the article, should revisit what they have already read–if only to see the extra pictures, videos, and radio interviews.

  20. Saludos to all. This is a bellwether article, Patrick, amid a community of minds that finally feels like home. I can identify with so many eloquent commenters and the text of the article.

    As a 1956 vintage I did just what choose2know describes. Same playbill. Really we were generation sex, forget generation x. A generation was formed out of what happened to women (rather, what did not happen to women – motherhood) for perhaps the first time ever. A total anomaly as previous generations seem primarily profiled by events among men (e.g. overseas wars). The birth control/abortion epoch promised us something “better” than domestic contentment. We weren’t the movers and shakers of feminism but heiresses to specious Rockefeller-sponsored “liberty.” We emerged as adults to drift on the drunken tides of psy-ops commercialism – true believers in every species of covert CIA-sponsored rebellion. They were vapid times. Role models? Fixation with hair-dos as evidenced by Charlie’s Angels? There was no plan, no one at the helm, and we drank the worthless cup to the tune of “you’ve come a long way, baby…” I hear you who mention all the regrets.

    Our generation was spawned in the perverse chalice of self-worship known as “stream of consciousness.” This affection for chaos has winnowed away at form in all the arts over the past century. We were urged to forget music history and especially to throw harmonic theory out the window. Anyone remember Chopin, for example? How ignorant does it get? A professional songwriter once cautioned me that before recording my guitar transcriptions of Chopin’s mazurkas I should find out if there might be a market for the music. This about a composer whose oeuvre embodies the apogee of western modality. Whose music probably sold millions of pianos and financed every species of music related profession (not to mention music performance) right down to ushers’ jobs at music halls? As well as the forgotten tradition of families playing music for themselves at home? Or how about Rachmaninoff whose music laces through early Hollywood scripts? The early Beatles’ tunes are informed of these kinds of musical modalities. Yet once the group separated they manifested collective amnesia. None of the individual “songwriters” ever betrayed scant cognition of the culmination of western harmonic theory again. Leading me to conclude that the laddies’ songs were composed by others than themselves.

    I identify so strongly with so many voices here I can hardly figure out where to go. Not to mention the refreshing Christian whiff of true spiritual freedom prevailing on Dr. Tracy’s website. First I’ll see if it’s possible to get a comment to stick. I crave sapient company. Kudos to all especially the author of this excellent essay.

    1. As for you, horsegirl, I have no idea how to respond. Let me say that I have re-read your comment a few times, and am deeply grateful for your sentiments. I thank you.

      Allow me to say that I agree completely with your impression of this place. It is, in fact, the only web site I comment at. It is uniquely valuable. While the frequent participants in the conversation here gradually change over time, the things they generally have in common, no matter who they are, is intelligence, insight, and an ability to write well. I have called it a sort of graduate seminar course in analysis of the pathologies of the environment we currently inhabit. We may not be able to stop the madness, but we can at least gain an accurate understanding of it.

      Keep coming back.

      1. The voluntary exodus of many of the strong Veterans Today writers including Fetzer, Tatum, Henderson, and Webb has moved over to Veterans Truth Radio and early indications appear to corroborate that this group of people will be worthy for consideration as a trustworthy home port. I’ve listened in and made some comments and things are looking up. I’ve measured and considered the massive brouhaha at VT and realize that massive turbulence in the form of mendacity has hit that website. If things can happen there related to the creation of a false front by impostors, one must take it to heart and retrace one’s steps. Yes, we can all be fooled, let’s not forget that. I invite you to go over to VTR and familiarize yourself with the personalities and content of the site. There’s some excellent literary horsepower over there and since I also concur with the quality inherent in MHB, my observation may well be valid. Do avail yourselves of this site and give it a go. Subject matter may be different but this new group came from the rapidly putrefying caldera over at VT.

  21. Patrick,Thank you so much for the informative and well researched article…I’m still reading all the links…most notably the ones from Dave’s book. I look forward to another!

    1. You’re welcome. I try not to interact every time someone is so kind, to not have this all about me, but I wonder if that makes me inadvertently rude. I’m gratified, of course, that my efforts make people happy. Thanks for saying so.

      1. There are passages in the Quran and Hadith supporting odious violence, martyrdom and other vileness. There are passages in the O.T. that support death for homosexuality (Leviticus), and Genocide (Joshua at the gates of Jericho commanded to destroy every living thing). The O.T. concept that the Jews, as chosen people, should rule over all nations, is xenophobic and megalomaniacal. The Talmudic and other rabbinical teachings, as you concede, lead to darkness. Yet, we embrace O.T. scripture because we view it as part of an evolving religion. As in the Bible, I believe that the Quran embraces love, mercy, justice and other salutary principles. By judging it too harshly, and only seeking out the negative in it, we only fuel the basest instincts of the worst amongst its adherents. It is the newest of the Abrahamic religions, and its followers are scrutinized and judged the harshest. You have a keen intellect. Give it a read with an eye toward the good embraced in the scripture (mercy, justice,,kindness, etc.), and you will find its doctrine contains much good. It is available online, and only as long as a short novel:

        1. “we embrace O.T. scripture because we view it as part of an evolving religion”

          Well, count me out of that “we” thing, Peace. An eternal being does not “evolve.” His Law is perfect–in fact He told us so, when He was born: the Law is perfect and will not pass away, ever.

          You seem troubled by the death penalty for sexual sin, and by extension other capital crimes (in these conversations the unruly child usually comes up). I am not so troubled. It does not take too many executions to stop the spread of unwholesome practices, for one thing. Sexual immorality, when it becomes normative in a society, will destroy it. God’s Law decrees that certain behaviors can only be adjudicated in His courtroom. We need to take that very seriously. We need to look at what He considers a capital crime, and believe He considers it so for a reason.

          Moving on, there is no command to commit genocide in the Bible. If you wish to understand why, click on my name, and ask me in my own place. I do not feel authorized to stretch the bounds of Dr. Tracy’s site to include such conversation.

          Finally, you say “the Quran embraces love, mercy, justice and other salutary principles.” This is not true. Allah is a god who cannot love humans, who are so much lower than ants are to us that it insults him to even consider such a thing. He is, in Mohammed’s description, completely beyond humanity. He does not love us. He also spends most of his time in a fiery Hell, roasting his enemies over physical fire, and to enjoy the pleasure of torturing them he miraculously regrows their skin after it has burned away–forever, and ever and ever. Nothing “noble” about a god like that.

          Islam is not an “Abrahamic” religion. In fact, it’s not a religion at all. It is an all-encompassing ideological worldview, like nazism and communism. It is toxic. Which is why drawing a cartoon can inspire murderous hatred in its most fervent followers.

          Salman Rushdie wrote a book called The Satanic Verses. The reference is Mohammed’s recognition that it was a demon that was dictating the Koran to him, and that certain sections were so obviously demonic that they must be removed from the text. The religious dictator of Iran, who knew full well this Koranic history, nevertheless put a contract out on the lefty intellectual, who has availed himself of Her Majesty’s intelligence agencies’ duty to protect him from the hit squads for a large part of his life. Khomeini did not deny that Rushdie was telling the truth that Mo’ was demon possessed–he just didn’t want infidels finding out about it.

          “Noble” Koran? Ha!

  22. Patrick and I engaged in a conversation on another thread in which he invited me to read his rather well crafted article here. In our dialogue, Patrick revealed that he, inter alia, saw Cortez as a liberator who hastened an end to human sacrifice and cannibalism. He, as well as other commenters, on this site, have supported Pam Gellar in her First Amendment expression, and have, more generally, expressed an opinion that a civilized West should prevail against the Moslem hordes, their sharia law, terrorism, etc.
    When reviewing the history of the “civilized West”, I ask Patrick whether or not he owns the West’s atrocities as well? Over a hundred million Africans lost their lives in the Western slave trade (estimates vary between 60 million to over 150 million deaths). The two largest wars, costing well over 100 million lives, started in the West. The British killed countless thousands in “administrative massacres” in India and elsewhere in their Empire. Millions died in wars around the World, on four of the earth’s five continents (Australia mainly subjecting its natives to cultural Genocide). The native American tribes numbered as high as 18 million when the Pilgrims landed on Plymouth Rock. Currently, the two million or so native Americans that are left can count themselves as “full-blooded”, with tribal rights, with as little as 3/16th’s native American blood. Colonialism has cost the lives of millions in each generation of the 19th and 20th Century. A greater percentage of civilians are dying in Western led conflicts in the 21st Century than in previous centuries. With, perhaps, as many as half a billion lives on its hands, can the West preach against any other culture’s barbarity without massive hypocrisy Patrick?

    1. I know that Mel Gibson’s Apocalypto (2006) puts out the thesis that it was a great day (spoiler alert) when the Spanish showed up in Central America . I loved the film, but Mel Gibson isn’t always the most subtle thinker. “The Spanish” like any group of military and bureaucrats and clergy were not a monolith, but neither were “The Native Americans”. I do not believe that all is for the best in this best of possible worlds. There were wise Jesuits (you know, the kind that got burned in some autos da fe, and whose successors later were slaughtered by paramilitaries on order of the CIA for being too nice to the natives) who collected the histories of Aztecs and Mayan people and created codices which might have helped us to understand these people better, and foster understanding between people of good will. But somehow these codices were too hot to handle because they interfered with the agenda of subjugation. Now we have a bare few of them, more’s the pity.

      Yes, I enjoyed Apocalypto as a film, but not as a statement about progress. I would say that “The Bridge of San Luis Rey” (2004) is also good – also about another priest/detective putting up with the horrors of the Spanish Inquisition, imported into Peru. By the author of “Our Town.” Starring Gabriel Byrne, DeNiro, Kathy Bates and Harvey Keitel. Was the Spanish Inquisition superior to the Incas? How would we ever know?

    2. Well, PeaceFrog, it seems we have a problem of moral equivalency to discuss.

      Let us start by acknowledging that the human race is a damn mess. Always has been.

      When Cortez arrived in Mexico, he ordered his ships destroyed. His men had to conquer the place, or die. He also decreed that only pious, believing Christians would colonize the New World. Ah, one can dream.

      Those who followed him came to America to get rich. They raped and pillaged in the ugliest ways imaginable. But they DID end human sacrifice and cannibalism. I think that’s a good thing. The rest of it, not so much.

      I believe you are relatively new around here, so you have not, most likely, suffered through my tiresome tirades denouncing the tyrant Lincoln, and wheat his monstrous generals did to the Plains Indians in the aftermath of his evil war to end America. I have repeatedly argued in these pages that the ratification of the Constitution was the worst thing to happen, that we should have stuck with the Articles of Confederation, that today North America should properly be comprised of dozens of little countries, many of which would be Indian, some the province of black African former slaves. Oh, well.

      You ask me if I wish to “own” the evil done by my ancestors. I suppose so, I guess, considering that there is no place in history any better.

      I’ve been watching a terrific television show: Showtime’s The Borgias (You can watch the whole thing on Netflix streaming). Boy, was the West a nasty place in the Renaisance. I’d hate to live there. But what are we going to do?

      You list nasty things the West did. It was a truncated list; I could add more. I don’t live with blinders on.

      But I will tell you this: Mohammed’s political ideology (it’s not a religion) is an unmitigated evil. The religion of the Bible might not be well evidenced in the history of the Jews and the Christians, but that’s not the fault of the Bible’s message. The evils of Mohammed’s hoards, in the past as well as today, are directly traced to the Koran and the Hadith.

      That is a difference of genuine value. We might not get it right on this side of the divide, but when Mohammed’s followers get it right–that is, follow his precepts faithfully–it is an ugly world that results. When we, Bible believers, get it right, the world is a much better place.

      Peace, Frog. (And you, too, musings.)

      1. You make some good points. I’m glad that you don’t pretend to have a politically neutral viewpoint- nobody does. Let me just make a few observations about the Judeo-Christian background that we seemingly share.

        “There’s never been a kingdom given to so much bloodshed as that of Christ.”-Montesquieu

        This quote is very, very difficult to debate on the historical facts. It’s as true for the early 18th century as it is for today.

        Secondly, you mention the Talmud and other Jewish texts in your comments. Many orthodox Jews adhere to these texts and consider them more authoritative in practice than O.T. scripture. These are the same Jews who want Israel to be a religious state akin to a Jewish Caliphate. Some quotes from these books are harshly anti-Gentile and generally xenophobic: “even the best amongst them [the goyim] should be destroyed”, etc. Anti-Semites have a field day with some of this material by taking it out of context and insisting that the Jews are monolithic. The same mistake is to take the millions of Muslim Americans and apply the same broad reductionist argument- this amounts to naked slander. You say that Mohamed was a slave trader. Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines according to the book of Kings. Slavery is approved of in the Old Testament, and, condoned in the New.

        I think the idea I’m getting at is best stated in the proverb on he who casts the first stone…

        1. “This quote is very, very difficult to debate on the historical facts. It’s as true for the early 18th century as it is for today.”

          Clearly, you need to read more history. Montezuma’s Mexico is a great place to start, but Mao Tze Tung and Pol Pot would do nicely as well. Still, it’s the Moslems who will always win that prize.

          As I said when referencing the Borgias, I fully acknowledge the depravity of Fallen man, and particularly those who have used the mask of Christ to accomplish devilish ends. But ask yourself this: why do such men use Christ as a shield? Answer: because He’s unimpeachable.

          Moslems themselves acknowledge this–because Mohammed said so in his vile little book. Jesus, even for Mohammed, was sinless.

          What this sets up is an interesting contrast. Evil men claim to follow Christ to accomplish evil ends (of course, many more holy people follow Christ and accomplish holiness). On the other hand, Mohammed, who is obviously one of the most evil men ever to live–it’s all spelled out in the Koran and Hadith–compels his followers to perpetrate unspeakable, nightmarish evil–but many of them refuse, and do just the opposite, making instead happy situations, kindness and love.

          Who is the better one to attempt to obey? Which faithful followers should be admired and emulated? If you obey Christ, you do good. If you obey Mohammed, you do evil. If you pretend to follow Christ but do evil, you betray Him. If you pretend to obey Mohammed, but do good, well, you get the picture.

          As for Judaism in the post-AD 70 era, it is a very unpleasant business. To the degree any particular Jew has adhered to the Bible and not the rabbinical literature, they have been pretty much fine and decent and admirable. To the degree that the focus in their worship is the Babylonian Talmud, the Kabbala, and all the rest, it descends into the dark evil that Shabtai Tzvi represents. It creates people who happily craft the Transfer Agreement, and the Ringworm Children. Today, it goes by the name Labor Zionism.

          So, as you say, ” Anti-Semites have a field day with some of this material by taking it out of context and insisting that the Jews are monolithic.” And since it is such a large topic, and since everyone thinks they know all about it even though they don’t, and since MHB was not created to explore that world, I avoid putting my toe in those waters here. That’s why I usually abstain from commenting when the conversation leads there.

          Now comes the part where we part company:

          “The same mistake is to take the millions of Muslim Americans and apply the same broad reductionist argument- this amounts to naked slander. You say that Mohamed was a slave trader. Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines according to the book of Kings. Slavery is approved of in the Old Testament, and, condoned in the New.”

          It is by no means “naked slander” to accurately characterize Islam, any more than it is to do the same with regards to Masonry. If the majority of members in a group are ignorant of the true nature of the organization they are a part of, and believe intentional lies the leadership feeds them, we do them no favors by coddling them in their ignorance. The task is to extract them from that evil.

          Slavery has been normative throughout human history. That practiced in the Old Testament was the most benign form of it ever known. Paul, when he repeatedly called himself a “bondservant of Christ,” was referring to an Old testament option, when a slave’s period of servitude had come to its conclusion, chose to stay; he would pierce his earlobe to the doorjamb with an awl, and wear a ring in that ear for all to see: he pledged to be a part of that house for the rest of his life.

          On the other hand, Moslem slavery (which still is practiced today) is the very worst, most cruel, history records.

          The two simply can’t be compared.

          And while it is assumed in the New Testament that slavery is a normal feature of life (as indeed it was at the time), it quickly ceased to exist after Rome was no more. This is because the internal logic of Christianity informs its practitioners that all men are created equal in the eyes of God.


        2. Hello PeaceFrog,
          I’m not trying to start an argument, but rather am interested in this thread and would like to comment on a few things, and replying under you would seem to put me in the right order.

          As for Solomon, I would not necessarily say that his excesses were met with God’s approval. The OT does give God’s law, but it also is a chronicle of who did what, and what fate God bestowed upon them for their behavior. Did Solomon find the face of God in his excess? I would also submit that a slave was given the choice of freedom, or to stay with his master after his term of servitude was up. The slavery we live under today is loved by millions, and is life long. I would bet under the system of slavery which we live in now, most would choose to remain a part of the system if given the choice to follow their own path, lest they starve. Today we have two kinds of people. Those who earn a living and pay a large tribute to the government for a little slice of freedom, and those who get their living from the government and have no freedom except to feed their immorality.

          Did God order Solomon to bed a thousand babes? Was it part of the law?No. Does Jesus tell his followers to spread the word? Yes. Does he tell them to use a sword to do it? No. Does Mohammed? Perhaps government has abandoned the precepts of Christianity because the NT does not give them the mandate to murder. It would seem that any government today would love to have the blessing of the religion they practice, to hack and murder their way into domination. That takes us to islam, the perfect marriage of government and [supposedly] religion.

  23. (Sorry for the late comment, the Interzone is a big place & I haven’t been here in months.)

    Control of Mass Media Entertainment is of course, essential for The Powers That Be to shape the way people think. Entertainment allows for a more ‘hidden’ kind of manipulation, as it tends to run under the rational mind & go straight to the emotional.

    As I was born in 1970, most of this war was ‘Won & Done’, by the time I achieved sentience, I did however, get to ride the leading edge of the next great entertainment creation- Video Games.

    Lest anyone dismiss that, keep in mind the Video Game Industry is already well over a $90 Billion industry. It has long ceased to be something unathletic Nerds just did in their parent’s basement.

    Interestingly, for a number of decades the industry grew up in a very Wild West kind of environment, much like the Internet did itself. Some have noticed, as I did, that VG’s seemed to have next to no overt control by TPTB, it was as if they didn’t deem it a useful tool, hardly worth their time.

    This actually allowed VG Culture to grow up engendering a very independent mindset. Contrary to what some may think, the games actually *encouraged* active thinking & the discipline to meet challenges & overcome them.

    When TPTB finally did deign to take notice of this bastard offshoot of computers & television & attempted to take overt control, it erupted into the much-larger-than-expected confrontation of Gamergate.

    As I was heavily involved in the pro-gamer side of the issue shortly after it began, I got to see firsthand many of the processes of social control be used that I had only read about in prior takeovers of culture. For Video Games, a process heavily based on the Frankfurt School of thought was used, spearheaded by a fierce Third-Wave feminism attack.

    Sadly, I felt forced to drop out of the fight, due to information I was given by a prominent executive in the games industry that I had befriended. He had been very much the ‘Elder Statesman’ of our movement, using his scholarly law background & love of geek culture to make cutting rejoinders to the emotional rhetoric of those attacking us.

    At first he stayed in the background, giving us advice & counsel, but as the battle wore on for months (far past what the opposition expected), he took a more prominent role, preparing interviews with those in the industry, providing evidence that there was a strong attempt to introduce Groupthink & shame anyone who didn’t play along.

    His more open attacks proved so effective that he was immediately forced out of play by those above him, for various reasons he felt forced to bow out. It was after he told me that his bosses threatened his career if he continued & a half-dozen reporters told him this game was rigged, that I also decided to quit the fight. My Wife’s career is in the entertainment industry as well & since I’m disabled, she’s our sole means of income.

    I consciously haven’t paid much attention to where Gamergate has gone since then, but from what a few friends still involved have told me, the war seems to be all but done. As TPTB have done many times in the past, they co-opted the pro-gamer side & now control both sides of the argument. I expect in a few years we’ll start to see the games created by their forced implementation of Postmodern Relativism & Political Correctness.

    Oh, yes, and for the few who managed to get to this point & are asking themselves, “Aside from the Money, who cares? This is only Video Games we’re talking about!” I would offer my own experience of nearly 40 years playing Video Games extensively, that this medium has the potential to be one of the, if not THE, most powerful tools of manipulation yet created. (In the wrong hands, which the industry now, sadly, is.)

    Video Games can contain many of the aspects of prior forms of entertainment. From Books, to Music, to Film & more, all can be combined in a gestalt that when used skillfully, can create a whole much greater than the sum of its parts. This is further greatly magnified by the most critical element that none of the other mediums have to any great extent- Active Participation.

    The process of being ‘Part of the Art’, shaping the narrative, determining to lesser or greater degrees the outcome of what’s occurring, involves the participant to a tremendous degree. It creates an emotional investment that again, when the game is good, is hard to match in any other medium.

    Obviously then, the ability to manipulate the player is correspondingly greater & was why I spent 16+ hour-days for months trying to battle against this takeover.

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