Updated May 8 at 12:10AM

On May 6 former Florida State Trooper and school safety expert Wolfgang Halbig spoke before the Newtown Connecticut Board of Education, raising numerous questions on the official story of the December 14, 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre.

Halbig was followed by University of Minnesota Professor and Veterans Today associate editor Jim Fetzer, Nevada-based attorney Day Williams, who is assisting Halbig with his public information requests, Infowars.com correspondent Dan Bidondi, and several others.

[Image: Tyler Sizemore, Connecticut Post]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2E_KfcQOhc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPKlILINoXY

View full video of May 6, 2014 Newtown Board of Education Meeting here.

Listen to American Free Press Dave Gahary’s report of the day’s events:

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They came and they spoke, but their words fell flat with a respectful but thoroughly disgusted audience,” the Connecticut Post reports.

A dozen or so self-described skeptics of official accounts of the Sandy Hook school shooting appeared Tuesday night at the Board of Education meeting, each taking the allotted three minutes to address pointed questions to board members.

Wolfgang Halbig, the most prominent member of the group, raised questions about everything from the scale of police response that day to their refusal to accept his expert help in analyzing the event. He suggested that his legitimate efforts to get answers have been thwarted, and accused board members of toeing an official line …

“It’s a shame to see this circus come to town,” Newtown resident Jim Fitzpatrick responded, “and I’m offended by the people who have come, and these conspiracy theories. Newtown has conducted itself wonderfully.”

Fitzpatrick was given some applause by the audience that was swiftly silenced by board Chairwoman Debbie Leidlein.

Once public comments concluded, the group left the room and a police officer stood guard to assure an orderly exit.

According to the Post, earlier on May 6 several of Halbig’s supporters visited the Danbury offices of the United Way of Western Connecticut to request records of charitable donations collected on behalf of the Sandy Hook community in relation to the December 14 event. Chief Executive Officer Kim Morgan claims to have informed the group that all of the non-profit’s financial documents were available online.

“I would prefer not to give them a voice in the mainstream media, and to reassure the public that all of our financial documents are online and can be accessed by anyone,” Morgan said.

Source:

Hutson, Nanci G. “Newtown School Greets Sandy Hook Skeptics with Silence,” Connecticut Post, May 7, 2014.

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  1. If any of this powerful testimony is shown on MSM then I would be shocked. Thanks to all the speakers.

  2. The atmosphere seemed extremely subdued. I realize that it was a board meeting, but there didn’t seem to be much electricity in the air.

    With 20+ deaths, where were the outraged family members? Close friends? The official narrative was supported only by one gentleman, foreign born, who vaguely “knew” first responders and those who had lost loved ones.

    I suppose that with the “circus” coming to town, I would have expected some of the affected towns people to show more emotion. Some emotion. Everything about this event has seemed so scripted. Here’s a chance to go off script and nobody bites (save one gentleman with thin attachment to the event at best).

    1. Perhaps it is less of an MSM reporting event if alleged victim families were not present. It will be interesting to see how the published minutes of the meeting reflect what was actually communicated by the speakers. Those inquiring speakers were looking for facts in an event that is profoundly lacking in supporting substantive evidence. They should not have been surprised that the Selectboard did not offer the slightest acknowledgement of their very sensible statements.
      A continuing inquiry from some CT locals at these meetings would be helpful.

  3. Some good comments at the CT Post article, save for one troll:

    http://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Newtown-school-board-greets-Sandy-Hook-skeptics-5458643.php

    Why was it that most of the speakers kept the official narrative going that there were indeed 26 people killed at SH and that Adam Lanza exists? The Ben Franklin character and the bi-polar woman talking about microwaves just furthered the “crazy conspiracy theory” people meme.

    I also thought it odd that Wolfgang stated in his opening remarks that he was one of the first people in his community to donate to this tragedy (hadn’t heard him mention that before) – and that money is one of the first things to begin the healing process. Odd – in my world NOTHING would heal my loss of my 6 year old baby – least of all money. I know people feel the need to do something after a tragedy, but this wasn’t an earthquake or a tornado so it’s not the same premise. A sympathy card would be more appropriate.

    1. I agree with iseelies. Dan Biondi should talk half the speed he does, his points would be harder hitting. He talks much faster than the average person can absorb. When Dan supported the idea people actually died, it perpetuates the mythos of Sandy Hook lore. The last thing we needed was the guy donning the “colonial period dress” and the bipolar engineer talking about Shamen. All that’s needed to discredit this serious inquiry is to plant some “on the fringe of reality” types or let them come on their own… some of each is nice. Wolfgang and Jim come across with the most credibility. It’s a shame everyone will remember the whacky engineer and the period dresser. I am surprised more of the locals did not step up to the plate to refute any of the questions/facts brought forth. If any of the locals saw 600 kids evacuated, wouldn’t they say so? Not one video clip of Adam Lanza fully armed to the teeth walking to the entrance? Not one video clip of him actually inside the school? It reminds me of the Pentagon plane crash. All those surveillance cameras and no video of a plane approaching from a mile away. If a plane hit the Pentagon, there should be three different camera angles that caught it on tape and clearly show a plane. If Lanza walked up and shot his way in, where is the state of the art surveillance footage that is stored on a well hidden hard drive ? Where is the video of the 600 students running for their lives? Forget video for a moment, where is the audio of the hundred plus rounds fired off? Where is the audio of the anguished cries and screams for help? The whole thing seems to reek of intentionally blowing the cover story. Just look at the way the cars are parked around the fire house. One would have to ask, what if the Sandy Hook Fire Department got an actual call to put out a fire? How would the firetrucks get anywhere? Does it sound plausible that fireman go looking for the owners of a dozen cars before they can answer an emergency call? Perhaps they had a parking valet who could expedite the location of 12 sets of car keys. Fireman have a fire pole in their station because it’s faster than six guys walking down stairs. Seconds count and yet all those cars parking the firetrucks in? Does that make sense to anyone? One of the best pieces of evidence is Medical Examiner Wayne Carver’s press conference. Especially the question to him – ‘why did no one see 20 plus bodies hauled away?’ Wayne’s answer was just mind blowing. He started babbling on about how stealthy his meat wagons are. Yet there was an army of reporters camped out around the clock. No footage shown of Wayne’s caravan of corpses. Replay Wayne’s press conference twice and tape a piece of paper over his face. Then closely watch the reactions of the two flanking policemen – each by themselves. The cop with the mustache starts laughing. The other guy has looks of utter disbelief at what he is hearing. Is there anything remotely funny about 20 murdered children? Their reactions are noteworthy. Wacky Wayne’s answers were at times both ridiculous and utterly absurd. There’s also a camera-woman in the background who seems completely uninterested in pointing her camera anywhere near Wayne. She did not even appear to be operating the device… at the biggest story of the year. Unbelievable.

    2. “Why was it that most of the speakers kept the official narrative going that there were indeed 26 people killed at SH and that Adam Lanza exists?”

      Because they don’t want to be labeled conspiracy nuts. I agree that a couple of the people who spoke later were not clever enough to escape such a label, but I don’t think that reflects on the others.

      1. Plus, how do you know that the bipolar woman was not set up to discredit the others? Sounded that way to me. Bidondi sounded like that too. Crazy off-topic rambling. And the colonial outfit guy could also be a plant. Top it all off with a comment about “the circus” coming to town, and that’s the only thing the newspapers will print, plus descriptions of a few of the bizarre characters present. This way Halbig and Fetzer are ignored and discredited. Great strategy actually.

  4. 0Ha, Ha,Ha! This has to be SOME KIND OF JOKE!!!!

    I’m hesitant to comment with my contribution to the denigration of the last wolfgang thread but I would be a complete phony if I remained silent about this. It sure appears that wolfgang and fetzer set us up good. Not that we weren’t warned. The circus really was in town. They met up with the shaman and Cap’n Crunch who was CARRYING AN ‘EFFIGY OF GOV. MALLOY HANGING BY A ROPE and still thought it was a good idea to make us look like conspiracy theorists by bringing the motley crew to the school board meeting. Thats what you get for 20 grand HA HA! There is that old saying “if you want something done….”
    I didn’t hear any questions for the school board just some vague observations about sandy hook that really had nothing to do with the school board. Fetzer and wolf were meant to seem the most reasonable ones, the leaders of the movement, and Cap’n Crunch was meant to represent all of us. Ha Ha! Kudos to the engineers of operation wolfgang you got us good!
    Hell it would have been just as effective and less damaging (since I would be seen as a lone nut not the pinnacle of the movement) if I went to a city council here in oregon complaining about the emergency response at sandy hook and pitching for donations to sandy hook promise. “Yes, yes that’s nice sir. Now we want to hear from that Cap’n Crunch guy!”

    It is fitting that the establishment played us like this since all these phony false flags with crisis actors are really designed more to cause a divide between those who can see and those in the matrix than they are to accomplish the other goals, gun control and filling the million man psychiatric facility they built in Alaska. All important goals but number one is to separate, then they can work on the other goals. That is why they pre-empted all of this with Dallas gold bug and his intentionally phony comparisons. I am quite certain that big names like alex jones and clyde lewis know damn well these people are actors but apparently perception is more important than truth to these people.

    my congratulations to all those who donated, you helped fund our demise. What was it that was accomplished that wolfgang couldn’t have done by himself for a small pittance of his own wealth? Oh yeah, he couldn’t have made us all look like fools. Well done!

    1. You paint a picture that I witnessed also..shame that this happened ,but I always said Halbig was reckless and I did not become one of his followers because of it..
      and we have given Newtown ammunition to fire back at us..costumed guy,info war guy,lady with glasses,,.sigh.

    2. fish – the comments on his SH Justice FB page imply he has them on the run. I simply don’t get these followers – how can you discern that SH was a hoax but you’re falling for this guy? Fake followers that’s how. Been reading some posts over there and there are a few very nasty people who will call you foul names just for asking a simple question. Same thing on the SH Hoax FB page. Moderators have no problems with it.

      I never began posting about SH looking for a leader. I woke up with this event and I get comfort (I guess you can call it that) knowing that there are still some sane people left in this world. When people ask people like me “so what are you doing” I just say – looking for the truth and educating myself by talking with like minded people. I’m not looking for a fight – and I’m definitely not looking for a leader – just want civilized, honest discussions.

      Unfortunately they keep throwing daily distractions at us to blur our focus and at the same time try and get us to be at each other’s throats.

      1. ha! well I think everyone should contribute to heal her bipolar disease. as wolf says “there is no healing without money.” or something to that effect.

    3. On the contrary, halbig and jim did a great job. Of course all you trolls who have taken over the comments section of this blog would like to paint it as a failure. So i ask for the billionth time, WHATS YOUR PLAN, AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE BESIDES BITCH AND WHINE? Im willing to wager any one of you would have crapped your pants before walking into that room and facing that panel, or even before you crossed the city limits. This did more for the legitimacy of questioning sandy hook than anything thus far. This is the most courageous thing ive ever seen done in the truth movement. So you all keep on prattling away (do you have jobs, a life? Oh wait, this probably IS YOUR JOB), and the few of us that have a pair will continue to stick our necks out for the truth.

      1. thanks larry but I read your same comment on every single version of this event on youtube and I’m still not buying it. At least I change my comments when I “troll”. except for Cap’n Crunch- I use that as much as possible.

        I watched your whole video promoting halbig and you had a couple good points but apparently in your world there is only one type of cointell program and it is ran by simpletons. I bet you think the confederacy of dunces guy that halbig was taking photos with earlier in the day (hugging cheek to cheek like they were taking a selfie) is just one of the gang too. I think you guys should all dress up in carrot outfits and chain yourselves to jack pinto’s gravestone until you get some answers from that damn school board.

      2. Thanks for that Larry and I second your positive energy. This should inspire many to have a one on one chat with your local public/private leadership to find out what reality they subscribe to and why. Adopt your own strategy folks and avoid embarrassment.
        “I want to understand if/and possibly why my children are being treated differently based on the SH Event?”

      3. Who Cares? It was a 3 minute $18,000 ( and counting) performance. Everything Halbig says is a sound byte hes been repeating for months, and nothing but embarrassment came of this, but he’s not a man who understands such things, obviously.

        1. It didn’t appear that his CT attorney was in the room – or maybe was out of camera view. He’s back on the fundraising requests again…sad he burned through so much cash w/events to date. Oh well.

      4. Care to explain the comment about my alleged employment? What the hell was that? This is why i am suggesting Tracy clean house. This is obvious trolling, provocateur intimidation tactics common to people like Tom Bittman. This blog is a brilliant, to the point, extremely artiiculate one that definitely gets under tptb’s skin and if you dont think the comments section is being monitored and manipulated you are extremely naive.

        1. I was facetiously suggesting that you were Erik Halbig, wolf’s son, due to your blind support of his escapades.
          As other commenters have posted, I wonder why you get so emotional over this? Why do you care what I think? I post what I see about wolf & co and people can take or leave what I say. I don’t hate people or shove my view down their throats if they don’t agree. I speak what I think is truth and let the words defend themselves. If they stick, great. If not, well, I’ve been wrong before. I’ve also led a long and colorful life, having the ability to determine who is genuine and who is a liar has been a prerequisite for my continued survival/success. If you go to Halbigs facebook, every word smacks of a snake oil salesman. There is zero doubt in my mind, I’ve encountered this spirit thousands of times in my life. I really don’t even think it’s him writing those posts- I think its a team of people. Who knows. What I perceive is that the words are designed to resonate with an older crowd like my mother. Even after all the things I told her about George W she says,”well I think he’s a good man.” There is nothing I can do about it, there is propaganda designed for every personality type-an ass for every seat so to speak. We all have our blind spots – I think wolf is yours.

        2. A well-stated response, fish & r. I continue to be fascinated by those who so rabidly follow this man. Maybe it’s because it is all they have…so far (in terms of who will stand up)?

    4. Wow, that was a lame response. Again, WHATS YOUR PLAN? And no, im not a pool cleaner i have no idea what you are talking about, but it sounds like some kind of veiled exposure threat COMMON TO PAID TROLLS. This used to be a great comments section until you wet blanket layabouts ruined it. I suggest tracy cleans house.

      1. Larry, what response were you expecting to your argumentum ad hominem, and red herring comments? on every message board you attack personally anyone who can see this event for what it was. “where is your body of work?” “where is your body of work?” why not address the thoughts expressed? why assume that people aren’t activists because they don’t choose to make videos on youtube? youtube is pretty saturated with filmmakers that have abundant talent so why make half ass videos is my question? why put people down because they can think dialectically and you can’t?
        if you actually read this blog you would have noticed that it is pretty much exactly the same as it was now that the wolfgang thread has been shut down. people have differing viewpoints but are really quite civil and then you have to come in with your ignominious comments. If you didn’t like my response to that circus performance then please explain how the common person is going to respond to peter pan, tj hooker, colonel sanders, ron jeremy, tarzanna and some survivalist looking guy that won’t even take off his dirty hat at a formal meeting bringing up points that have nothing to do with the school board? they will side with the school board and view them as crazies who are badgering people in a community that has suffered so much and now has Cap’n Crunch hanging effigies of their wonderful govenor, that’s how.
        You can suggest whatever you like to Dr. Tracy but I suggest you will get more audience if you did it in a private message rather than in an offhand remark on a message board.
        As for my plan, I already told you, you, Cap’n Sanders, Colonel Crunch and the whole crew need to don carrot costumes and go exhume those graves. make sure that the crotches are cut out so the world will know that “you have a pair.”

      2. Good words, fish. I wrote earlier today about how weird I find it that the Wolfie stuff draws such intensity. Why do people like Larry care what we think about Wolf? Why is it an emotional thing? I can understand the effort to determine if the guy is a fraud or not, but the knee-jerk defense of him makes no sense to me. If he’s legit, it would be worth the effort to determine; if he’s not, and no one went to the trouble to find out, we’d all be schnooks.

      3. And I was just getting used to being an armchair critic and general naysayer. I don’t know if I’m up to the task of wearing a wet blanket.

        Well, as I always say “love me?…..rub my wolf”. Do I say that? What I need is a LEADER. I need to shed this cynicism and DO SOMETHING, (even if it’s wrong).

        I’m going to go make a plan. They don’t pay me enough to hang out and troll. Maybe I’ll form a skeptic’s union. That’s a plan. Better pay and weaker ideas.

        I’d better get going before the “house cleaning” begins. It’s thrilling to see such haughty outrage. How could I have been so uppity as to question a LEADER? Oh, the humanity.

    5. Thats classic. Just delegitimize what im saying by calling it “emotional”. Take a look at your post, you know what halbigs sons hobbies and employment are. Id say you are much more wrapped up in this than is healthy.

      1. Not really, Larry. While you were away sulking the question of Wolfie’s felonious son was quite a lively topic around here. He has the same name as the truly awful musician who, improbably, played the White House (!) like, the day after the drill (if memory serves). What a coincidence!

      2. Halbigs son was a lively topic. Wow, im so bummed i missed out on that. Far from sulking, I WAS DOING ACTUAL RESEARCH. The only reason i am entertaining your lame responses is that it is truly sad that what used to be one of the liveliest most informative forums on this subject has degenerated into circular defeatist bullshit and i am trying in my small way to pull it out of the toilet. But yes, continue with your important groundbreaking discussion of halbigs sons hobbies.

    6. This is disgraceful. We did not dictate who would speak. Most were their of their own volition. This guy seems to think we are controlling what happened there. Wolf and I did not even consult about what we would say during our brief appearance.

      It is very easy for those in the cheap seats to kabbitz from their PCs and make no constructive effort to promote the cause of truth and justice about Sandy Hook. We are doing out best to expose the fraud, while others simply want to undermine us.

      1. You wrote: “Wolf and I did not even consult about what we would say during our brief appearance.”

        So, it was a seriously uncoordinated, a bit misguided and expensive effort, as suspected.

        I was not there. I have only done my own research and collaborated with others. I should not judge your/their efforts – but my observation is that it was a sad first attempt to scale “over the wall”. Sorry, just calling it as I see it.

  5. Thanks for posting the 2 videos. Pretty effective overture should there be additional action. I will stay tuned. The main point made was by Kevin in RI: “We’re here for a reason, and this is not going away.”

  6. Just watched the video with the Newtown connecticut board of Education..just wondering what happens next.. do they answer these questions in another meeting or what?.. nothing was answered.. Also a lot of the speakers were acknowledging that people had been killed… that is not proven. I think Mary and Fitzpatrick at the end were put there to sponge over things..In my opinion, One very strange meeting.

    1. Poppy, It was all public comment. The Board will not respond and does not have to respond.

      1. Quite so. As we said, REPEATEDLY. Beth, Fish, Isee, all see it the way that I do. It makes my head hurt. To ride on Fish’ point, I have to assume that a reasonably adult (although its a reach) man and a former university professor would be able to see a few basic problems prior to marching in there and doing their “theater of the absurd” act.

        Therefore, Fish is right. At least one of these people knows how ridiculous this is. If they don’t, they need adult supervision.

        As we said, REPEATEDLY, why would you go to the school board? Even if they had information about this they wouldn’t share it with you and they have no obligation to do anything. It’s like filing a police brutality case with the zoning committee.

        So, what are we to say? Since he never represented me I suppose it doesn’t matter. On the other hand, if they wanted to present a goofy image they accomplished their mission.

        This “created reality” thing is taking off. “They’ve got ’em on the run”, eh? Sure, right after the dish ran away with the spoon. I hope all those contributors feel that they got their money’s worth. For a few dollars more he’ll bring juggling dwarves and little horses with pointy hats.

      2. Well, lophatt, one thing the whole Wolf phenomenon accomplished was the creation of a visible, semi-organized “truth movement” that anyone can point to and take sides about–which is exactly what happened with 911, although there were a few of them there, not just one. Because it’s so obviously stupid, I feel certain that it is “astroturf,” fake grass roots created to be controlled opposition.

        A completely decentralized, effective, international pool of researchers (which is what MHB has been), is very dangerous from the point of view of the pageant-masters.

        Witness the incredibly strange activity here whenever Wolf is the topic of a thread. As I’ve said before, the whole Wolf story bores me, and I was surprised by the intense interest it always draws, but I read it all anyway, and found the dynamic instructive. The “true believers” (who are probably part of the play) and the dedicated diggers-into-whether-Wolf-is-a-fraud go back and forth, and lots of trolls show up to complicate matters. This makes it a “real” “movement.”

        My point is that almost everyone will never become aware of the real study that has gone on here, but plenty of the mildly curious–what’s the fuss all about?–will quickly discover the Wolf “movement” and think that’s all there is. It’s designed to draw potentially serious skeptics away from the center of the puzzle. If it bores me, I’ll bet it bores lots of conspiracy-interested people who have not yet looked into Sandy Hook, and they will walk away from the whole subject.

        I think the vastness of 911 skepticism taught our masters something. They know how to diffuse the opposition by creating semi-plausible, pretty much visible, pseudo-opposition groups. The MSM can be relied upon to give them as much visibility as necessary, should the danger arise that the whole hoax starts to come apart, and either destroy the straw man or keep it alive to render the real investigation ineffective as long as necessary. Damage control is baked into the cake.

      3. Thanks Beth, never heard of public comment, don’t think we have that in UK.. So its showing that the public can have their say at a meeting , ” free speech” but the board will not respond.. do they take notes? I presume they discuss it afterwards.. or else what is the point of it all.. Lophatt has some good comments on that.

        1. Poppy, it is like any other form of petitioning the government in the USA. At the end of the meeting the hosts(government) say “thank you all for being here, and for your input. Its people like you who make this great country what it is. Its people like you who hold your elected representatives accountable that steer the policies of the future. Keep up the good work! This meeting is hereby adjourned, and we will now go do whatever the hell we want”.
          Then, in the name of change, we go to the polls a year or two later and vote in their Spouses, children, nieces, nephews, or cousins.

      4. Patrick, me too! It seems that no matter what there are always those looking for a “leader” and ready to “join”. Rather than think their own thoughts they would rather defend or attack others thoughts.

        That was an absolutely brilliant assessment on the “911 Movie”. That’s precisely what happened. Now they’re all holed up in camps ready to attack each other. They must defend their leader’s ideas.

        As usual, excellent job. You keep my faith alive that there are at least some out there who get it.

    2. Another fake meeting in this fake town.

      Can just imagine if my child was there, no answers, no alarms, no emergency care, no evacuations, just thousands of pages of redactions that they hoped no one would view and a lot of bathroom videos, that mysteriously also needed redactions.

      What’s next? Hopefully we are more aware and are able to vote out the thieves. The parents are not outraged, as they are paid players and probably there were no deaths on this day…..

      1. This was a very real meeting and impossibly planned to satisfy the expectations of many. This event should be a catalyst for many to have these types of meetings in your own town. Do you absolutely know that that SH TeeVee is not steering your school and government tax spending? Do you know if your elected officials are navigating according to the SH TeeVee compass bearings that are being written into history? Plan your own meeting, ask questions and find out for yourselves everyone.

      2. Kathy, so you noticed the Sandy Hook school “crime ” scene videographers obsession with toilets as well? I watched every minute of all of the video and I am more familiar with Sandy Hook toilets than I am with my own. The videos are for the most part worthless, however one thing was prominently absent from the police dashcam video of that day; nowhere in any of them do you see ANY children or staff being evacuated, nor do you see the alleged female state trooper (anyone ever discover her name?) leading the line of children in the parking lot in the iconic Shannon Hicks photo (which actually is TWO different photos of two different groups of children).

      3. She did, Joe, as did many around here, back when the footage was (semi) released. Completely inappropriate for tots, for one thing–obviously facilities for adults. And the conditions! Wherever the filming took place, it was no grammar school, and it was not someplace rich yuppies would send their kids to.

      4. Yeah Joe, they had all the drill footage and had to do SOMETHING with it. I really think the resistance to releasing all that crap was that it would take effort to gather such a volume of meaningless garbage.

        There was no evidence of any evacuation. Remember, their tale is that there were over 400 kids there, plus staff.

        As to the yuppie angle, maybe this is training so their offspring gets a sense of how the eaters will live after their done with them. That building wouldn’t pass a health and fire inspection in the ghetto.

  7. Bad judgement to put oneself in this extremely difficult situation. Presenting a pov in a short concise way takes a lot of skill. Failure will make you look like an idiot.

    The only one who seemed to have any reason for being there was Halbig. But he seems a bit confused – why is he playing by their rules accepting their narrative!? (I’m very suspicious about Mr Halbig)

    Then we have the others. Just plain bad judgment to think they can make any positive impact by talking to the board. They will NEVER accept a different narrative as long as they hold their positions.

    These people needs to learn to pick their fights better!

    1. Colonel, I feel compelled to say that in my work I often find myself in large meetings among people who are opposed to my position. You cannot survive that for long without some skill. There are basic “techniques” for dealing with this.

      Only a fool, or a total amateur would “debate” something in a room full of oppositional characters. Usually, the trick is to not get ambushed. If you do you need techniques to get out of the situation. The first technique is not to knowingly place yourself in that situation in the first place.

      I don’t have much sympathy for these guys. I think Fish is on to something. At least two of them (and I suspect more), are used to speaking in public. Whether they do it well or not, they should not be tongue-tied with fear if they’ve spend many years in front of people.

      As you said, what conceivable “impact” could there be? What was the point? If you’re going to do something like this you had better have a plan. If you wanted publicity you would do far better to come off as dignified and unassailable, as opposed to maniacal and possibly insane.

      Somehow I think the real purpose here is deeper than just donations. For most performances like this they charge admission. I suspect this production will be closing the same day it opened.

  8. Given that Halbig had only three minutes to make his presentation, I thought that he made a reasonable case. He is right to focus on the breeches of protocol and who was in charge of the scene; that there was no reason not to send all the victims to the trauma center, and that in fact, it was illegal under CT state law not to send any children under 18. However, he needs to come right out and say that this was a monstrous fraud which traumatized an entire nation, and that this is why he is there at the school board meeting. That would truly be “taking it to their house”.

    The problem here, of course, is that the news media can ignore his words and focus on anything they choose, like the guy in the colonial costume, who, according to the Conn. Post, hung an effigy of Gov. Malloy earlier in the day. This Guy, one Melbourne Sann, is the same guy who was covered by a different paper in an article about an anti gun control rally held in NY state by Donald Trump. There Sann hung an effigy of Gov. Cuomo, and got similar coverage. Predictably, the whole event gets portrayed as a circus.

    1. In a New England public meeting, you never know who will stand and speak after you. I think both Halbig and Fetzer did just fine given the limitations of the situation. It’s clear the man in the colonial uniform (who cannot seem to say he was in the US Army) is there to press anti-gun control, even while claiming quite naively that this thing was a psyop. He’s a circus performer, but his performance though it will surely be highlighted by any news which leaks out (and I think that is all local at the moment) cannot be confused with that of the two men who immediately preceded him.

      If each person who doubted Sandy Hook would stand and speak at such a meeting, in whatever form of language they would employ to describe it, a revolution would be necessary. They are counting on us to be civil and absent. So I have to hand it to those old lions for roaring out for us.

    2. Yes, indeed the media report exactly what they want. That is the very problem – going there exposes your vulnerabilities more than anything else! Pick the venue carefully when you are the underdog!

      This stone walling technique is typical in “gaslighting”, that I was writing about few moths ago. Sociopaths will not answer your questions, debating them would be to acknowledge that there could be another way to see things, and that they are equals (to some extent). Their ultimate goal is to have you as a subservient slave. Leaving you w o answers is a way to make you feel unworthy, doubtful etc. But I doubt this works well on subjects that can not be isolated. Still, it it is a natural reaction from a sociopath in this situation.

      Going back to Newtown w o a very thorough and rehearsed plan would be a MASSIVE mistake. Who can come with and what each can say, must be rehearsed and studied by expertise.

  9. While we are on the subject of Sandy Hook, I would like to point to another piece of evidence here which I think should get more play. Its pretty much of a smoking gun, except that that’s exactly what it isn’t.

    Here is an article on a school shooting drill found at Police State USA:

    http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/missouri-school-shooting-drills/

    Notice that when someone shoots off a few rounds from an AR-15 inside a school building, it immediately sets off the fire alarm. What do you suppose would happen if someone shot off 150 rounds, as Adam Lanza was said to have done? How could the alarm not have sounded? Did it? Let’s see what Barbara Sibly has to say:

    http://katiecouric.com/features/one-familys-story-of-survival/

    She specifically says that she heard silence. No alarm. What about Janet Vollmer? Here is her interview with AC:

    http://www.allthingsandersoncooper.com/2012/12/anderson-cooper-360-special-edition.html

    She heard gunshots but no one told her it was a drill, so she “sheltered in place”. No mention of a fire alarm. In fact, as dinophile pointed out in an earlier comment, the Sandy Hook Volunteer Fire and Rescue Co. website lists no calls for 12/14/2012. There is only one call in Dec. on the 29. So how did Adam Lanza fire off 150 rounds without setting off the smoke detector? The answer is that he didn’t. The smoking gun is a gun that made no smoke!

    1. Not only that, you would imagine that in any one of these school shootings, even without relying on a smoke alarm to do the work, a human hand would naturally smash against a fire alarm just to summon help and to evacuate the building. Isn’t that how someone in panic would react to gunshots, no matter what they were told by the authorities what they should or should not do? Another anomaly. You’d have heard them and 600 kids would race out of the building (even if TPTB might have told you to “shelter in place” — what malarkey! as though they would know better what to do with a killer about!) – when you are in survival mode, you must trust your own instincts, not the cookbook handed you by the authorities!

      So no fire alarm — not shooting. In any comparable situation. People are not robots (yet).

      1. That’s true Musings. Knowing its a hoax, but going with the story, would anybody just let somebody stand there shooting kids? Pop, pop, pop, and not try to do anything about it?

        How about throwing a fire extinguisher at him or spraying him in the face? This was one of the truly surreal aspects of this. Just lock yourself in, keep your head down, and let him blast away?

        Look at that principle a while back who tackled the kid who was stabbing kids. THAT’S the proper response. No, the training here is, be a compliant victim and leave everything to the “authorities”. You may lose your life but you will rest secure in the knowledge that you knew your place and stayed in it.

    2. Christo – Very, VERY interesting. Thanks for sharing this. The only plausible reason that I could think of (other than the obvious phony event) is that S.H. Elementary was so far gone past code violations…who even knows if their smoke detectors worked properly? But, then again…it likely wasn’t an operational school….

      1. Beth, true, all true. And here we are again, looking for “proof”. I still find it interesting, but I have enough anecdotal evidence already. Everywhere you turn in this there’s more. That’s the idea. You must “believe”, in spite of all evidence to the contrary and any acquired common sense.

        If they tell you a purple kangaroo did this, you’d better believe it. The “media” are “authorities”. You obviously were not a victim of Common Core. If the disturbingly strange A. Cooper tells you something, who are you to argue?

        Our intrepid travelers should have donned “Wizard of Oz” costumes to compliment our “Colonial”. The oddest thing about it is that they were no more strange than the original cast. Maybe they were trying to “out Sandy Hook ’em”.

        1. yes, they were donning sandy hook camouflage. it is important to blend in when you tell the world two months in advance what you are planning to do.

      2. Beth, just a thought…one would think that, at the very least, a yearly safety code inspection was required. For goodness sake, the firehouse was a stones throw from the school (I say was because the school is no longer with us). For hard wired smoke and fire alarms to not be operating properly would without question be gross malfeasance (not much shocks me anymore, but this would).

        1. that would have been a great simple direct question to ask the board, one that actually asks for an answer rather than a “times up.”

      3. Patrick, yes, imagine going with six (or sixteen) and each one taking one question (hopefully germane to the school board). You wouldn’t get an answer but the “pregnant silence” would be theirs.

        What would you do if you had to deliver the history of the world in three minutes? Answer: You wouldn’t!

        Even as publicity you can’t put too much out there. Nobody will sort through it. That rambling, “train of consciousness” talk by the Alex Jones aficionado was painful.

        I could visualize the FBI agents behind the two-way mirror filming away.

  10. It is curious as to why any of the SHH truthers would even think the school board was the appropriate place to begin their search for truth. A crime of gigantic proportions and cover up orchestrated by “operatives” way higher up on the food chain than the school board continues to this day. The PTB who arranged and continue to manage this psyop are still in control. That the Newtown school board even put these guys on the agenda says “managed” scenario. In addition some of the “truthers” are part of the deception. Then you have costume man, an admitted bi polar person not on topic, a supposed local citizen of Irish descent who looks and speaks with a middle eastern accent and a “clapper’ thrown in for good measure– only the clown is missing. Although a “school” was involved and the school board for sure was in on it, why would the school board now address what is essentially a crime–especially one of this magnitude. A meeting with the Town or County board, the Police Chief, attorney general or state legislator maybe–but I don’t see that happening. This entire situation is weird.

    The criminals that orchestrated this and all the other public shock events are not worried about the people who are becoming “hip” to it. Their job after the main event is to continue the charade by any means possible to make sure the rest of the Pajama people stay asleep. There are more of them than us.

    1. Please lead the next public confrontation Danabelle!. All parties to this theatrical fraud need to be confronted in imaginative ways. There should be no end to opportunities to challenge the SHE “made for TV heist of truth”. Public and private challenges to need to be happening prolifically.

    2. “It is curious as to why any of the SHH truthers would even think the school board was the appropriate place to begin their search for truth”

      great points. since he was at a school board meeting why not ask pointed questions that actually related to THE SCHOOL BOARD? basically everything that was said were observations that related to the police response. there was no response to any of this because nothing was ever said to respond to, just some clowns blathering about stuff unrelated to the school board. what a joke.

      1. Well Fish, that IS a poser. Maybe this disconnect is inherent to edumacators. When I see a fire I call the swimming pool repairman. Why not? It’s the IDEA that counts.

        Dannabelle has it right. I can’t say that I’m surprised by this. Of course he did exceed even my expectations. It would have been more entertaining to have had a “face off” with the original cast. I could see Gene leaping onto W.H. like a rat on a Cheeto.

        1. WordPress needs a laugh button add-on. It doesn’t make for good comments if one acknowledges every funny post but you’ve been killing me lately. Gene like a rat on a cheeto! HA!

    3. You are one hundred percent correct. They don’t have to explain a thing and they will not. Nothing will happen. You simply have a fundamental choice. Be a “believer” or not. They will continue their script in any event. Remember, these events are brought to us by those with the “authority” to do something about them. I’d say that the players haven’t a worry in the world.

    4. “It is curious as to why any of the SHH truthers would even think the school board was the appropriate place to begin their search for truth”

      I explained my theory about how the whole Wolf phenomenon looks like the creation of a controlled opposition–in a reply to lophatt a few comments ago. If you are the pageant-master, and you know that your hoax is becoming more and more in jeopardy of becoming an open laughingstock, your task is to co-opt the opposition. The problem involves making it look organic. Astroturf has to FEEL like grass roots.

      Here, the challenge is somewhat tough. If you are going to make your fake-opposition players visibly foolish, while also carefully introducing them and their story to the general public, there are not too many venues in a small town–especially one that is largely a Potemkin Village. The school board is in fact the perfect place to do this. By doing it there, you have the benefit of absurdity just because of its inappropriateness; they can’t be too bright, these skeptics–don’t they know the school board has nothing to do with any of their questions? What’s more, you are able to inject certain aspects of the genuine questioning the real investigators are doing into the public record, through the voices of the less unhinged players–if you ever need to elevate your controlled opposition to wider prominence. The questions Wolf and Fetzer raised are legitimate, but none of them proves the pageant was a hoax–so you control what will be acknowledged as acceptable to wonder about.

      That is, this footage can be kept in the can and revealed at a much later date, if the country becomes at risk of waking up to the fraud. Then, “experts” can debunk the cogent points Wolf and Fetzer made. The press can say, “substantial numbers of people have some lingering questions about how the crisis was handled, etc,” and go on to put the poor babies’ hearts at ease. Later–and forever after–they can say, “that’s all been dealt with; only wacko True Believers refuse to deal with the reality of the tragedy.”

      1. Yessiree, that’s what I reckon. As you said earlier, it appears there is no shortage of those who will be led wherever by whoever. That pretty much accounts for that “Nigerian Prince” scam.

        As you say, there’s nothing like making a circus out of legitimate questions. Pretty much destroys that for the future, wot?

        Nice job!

      2. Here we have a thoughtless commentary parading as though it were thoughtful. We have raised many questions that go to the heart of the matter, including about the missing 606 children and the absence of the buses required to evacuate them. What could be more relevant to exposing the hoax?

        Go through my comments to the board alone and inventory how many issues I raised in the brief interval I had to speak. No doubt we could have done better, but we were there and our appearance was even picked up by Brasscheck TV. That alone has brought Sandy Hook to the attention of millions.

        This guy doesn’t even seem to have read the article or the questions we posed. They set it up so we could not demand answers, but this seems to have slipped by this mental wizard. I am sorry, but Wolf is doing far more than anyone else to keep this issue front-and-center before the American public.

        1. Not to speak for Patrick, but I think many here agree that the event was an incredibly expensive 3 minutes worth of public comment by a few people – some of whom are not credible to many.

          We realize some other places were visited. But, I think many believe that the visit was a waste and the money could’ve been invested more wisely. The charity office says everything is available on-line, this should’ve been known – unsure what other records were being requested (list of donors?).

          But, it is not my money – I speak only as an observer.

          The School Board is not even allowed to comment on issues raised in public comment. Roberts Rules of Order prohibit anything more than questions being asked to clarify what the member of the public is talking about. Otherwise, nothing was to be expected as a result of the appearance….except expensive PR that everyone knew no paper would really touch.

          It was also terribly unfortunate that the guy in the costume and the bi-polar woman had to make an appearance – seeing and hearing them was positively cringe-worthy. Sadly, many who aren’t closely following the efforts of Mr. Halbig will make an assumption that those two characters were part of the group.

          So, lots of Sandy Hook Justice Funds are spent…I wonder what is next.

      3. Well, “this guy” was only speculating, in response to Danabelle’s question.

        It seems to me foolish to have gone to the school board, where they were waiting for you, with months to prepare for your arrival; where you knew that you would only have a couple of minutes to speak; where you knew they would not respond to the issues you raised; where they had no authority to address most of those issues in any evert; and where the press would control the spin of the reporting–if they reported it at all.

        But that’s just me.

        I don’t know why you can’t see any of that as a legitimate concern, or why it offends you so. You are portraying this thing as some great triumph, which is exceedingly odd, if you ask me. Even Larry, your great defender, recently posted (twice! as if we’re to dumb to notice if he only does it once) an article in some newspaper that ripped the whole thing to shreds–as if it was in your favor. This is willful blindness. That was an example of the press using your spectacle against all of us. It can get much worse. The event was not a help. It gave them ammunition.

        In my speculation, I said that if the pageant-masters had a dream plan to discredit us, the school board would be it. You played into their hands. Any publicity this gets is going to be negative. The only people that will hear about it and understand the value of the questions you raise are those of us who already know that the whole Sandy Hook story is fraudulent.

        That you keep insisting that it looks as if I did not read the article, or know your stated questions, is simply bizarre. I always say that they are good questions. In another response to one of my comments you accused me of attacking you (which I never have done); well, here is a nasty attack–against ME, by YOU: “a thoughtless commentary parading as though it were thoughtful”; ” this mental wizard.” You do not address the logic of my argument, you only react to it with petulance. You don’t like being questioned, obviously.

        It is my opinion that if that if you think “Wolf is doing far more than anyone else to keep this issue front-and-center before the American public,” as you say, you are delusional. For all the reasons I have stated. If you disagree, address the specifics of my argument. The correctness of your position is not self-evident, as you seem to believe. Simply repeating it is not a defense of it. When specific objections are raised, the thing to do is respond to them, and show your opponent where his reasoning fails, not lash out emotionally.

  11. When there is a massive false flag like this it always takes time to unravel the scheme. This board meeting was just the first step. Eventually more facts will be uncovered and a few people might even
    come forward who are feeling guilty. We need to stay faithful and see it
    through. That is what Wolfgang and others are doing.

    1. Yeah, Like the Gulf of Tonkin Incident. I’m waiting for the American people to get stirred up over that one too. Any day now, I can feel it.

      Sorry, had to say it.

    2. ” We need to stay faithful and see it
      through’
      Ahhh-cock-eyed,naive optimism…there’s something to be said for that,I suppose….

  12. Clearly there were brave citizens who spoke of the massive sham, and clearly there were paid actors to distract with their clownish acts.

    I commend their bravery, public speaking is terrifying for the unaccustomed, cannot imagine doing it in the very bellows of all things evil.

    For all the naysayers who declare you should speak of 911, JFK, there were no dead children, etc, you need to learn their language and if you want to be heard, certain subjects are not approachable.

    Our attorney general is up to his ears in corruption, will not prosecute any of his comrades and pray everyday our country will be saved from the pending doom, clearly they all have to be voted out!

    So now they know we know. and they trying shutdown our communication network.

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/fec-chair-warns-conservative-media-drudge-hannity-face-regulation-like-pacs/article/2548163

  13. Tom Bittman and Rob Cox were there watching every move. Cox sat right next to all the speakers. Hm and Bittman are huge behind the scenes players in this. Bittman still heavily censors his blog. They were smirking during the proceedings and giggling. There were only 2 others applauding with Cox.

    Lodra gave Bittman a big hug on her way out to the parking lot.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPKlILINoXY

  14. Here’s how I see the presentation from the “truth” side.

    It was much like a 3-D version of message boards and blogs like this. Some people troll for pleasure. Others do it for money. Still others troll without even really knowing that they’re trolling.

    Did Halbig stack the deck with a bipolar engineer and a clown in costume? I have no idea. Just like any fool can show up to this comment section, anyone can show up to speak at a school board meeting.

    We spend a great deal of time hand-wringing over presentation and perception, but we ought to be more about substance. Was anything said by anyone that cuts to the heart of the issue? Could a 2 minute clip of the proceedings be edited to make a proper point? (I mean, without the clown and the shaman).

    I think most here would agree that nothing unique about the case was revealed, but this was different. Face it, we’ve seen very little unscripted interaction with any Sandy Hookers on their turf. Who was this Mr. Fitzpatrick who felt compelled (or was elected) to speak on behalf of the locals? That might be something worth exploring…

    1. Yes Maestro and with whom will the salient points of this home turf confrontation for truth resonate and lead to round two?

    2. Asbestos. Dr. Fetzer’s condemnation of the school board over the issue of asbestos (toxic waste dump) being in the building “cuts the the heart” and was correctly addressed to the appropriate responsible parties.

      Perhaps in poor, underfunded school systems this very real health concern is willfully ignored. But in Newtown?

  15. I think this Wolfgang exercise is to begin changing and limiting the reactions/opinions of people with regard to false flags as well as to gauge the level of passivity of people following these investigations when they have a leader.

    The first thing that got me thinking this, was his initial instructions to his followers:

    You must keep out personal feelings and emotions about Sandy Hook
    You must not form personal opinions about Sandy Hook.
    You must rely only on facts that we can prove when we get them to raise their right hand and under oath.

    You must not form personal opinions. Really? Aren’t personal opinions the first basis for a theory after looking at facts? Or keep your personal feelings and emotions out of it? My emotions were what led me to suspect this was fake due to every single parent having dry eyes and telling stories of their butchered children as if they had just won a coloring contest! So he tells them – don’t think outside the box, think only as I tell you (16 questions ONLY), leave your emotions out of it (too human a quality to mix in with facts) and implies that these people will break down once their right hand is on the bible and they are under oath (complete fantasy). I understand that you shouldn’t let emotions deter you from facts but emotions make us human and to eliminate them completely while investigating the (supposed) murder of 20 children seems heartless.

    He tells people to stay focused but then starts putting random posts on his FB page asking how to respond to an email from Comcast or whether the financial records of 501(c)3’s are public information. These are just 2 examples of his random off-topic posts. So you’d expect to see people post things asking why are you asking us questions like this when you tell us to focus on the 16 questions. But nope – not one.

    Next, I start noticing the random pictures of Wolf in his cop outfit inserted next to SH crime scene photos, etc., without any explanation. Odd I’d say – yet, again, nobody (except 1 poster that I saw) says anything about them and they continue today. Then the cop shot photos start having the crotch shot effect – and yes I’m aware that if you click on the picture it does show the entire thing – but they know what it looks like on the main page and continue posting it in that manner – but, again, no comments about the inappropriateness of it. (I wonder if they put a naked picture of Wolf up if that would get any comments?)

    Now he goes to Newtown and it’s a dud. Nothing comes of it – the board doesn’t even say boo to him. But you have his supporters claiming that he was excellent and that the board members are ready to cave and spill everything. WHAT? Were we watching the same video? Again, most people go along with it – and the few that don’t are quickly attacked by multiple posters. And the moderators allow the vicious name calling.

    So I think this exercise has been to establish a new norm of 1) see something odd and the majority doesn’t say anything you should be quiet too or risk being ostracized by the “community” 2) lowering the bar of what success equals now – the board of ed meeting was a huge success? What would a failure have looked like? 3) To continue to make Truthers look like lunatics – no matter what walk of life they are from.

    This is all too similar to how Obama was rolled out – valid questions were asked about his place of birth, what qualified him to be POTUS, why he was friends with a domestic terrorist tenured professor, how he was able to get a sweetheart deal on his home, why he has a Connecticut social security number, etc. But no answers were given. You were told none of that mattered or you were accused of being a racist or not progressive. Same tactics being used here, IMO.

    1. Good points all, but especially the first paragraph. Not to sound like a grandiose nut, but I wonder if the real people here will all end up in the same FEMA camp for… further study? Tell Patrick to save me a bunk, I have a lot of questions for him. It may take ’em a while to find me, what with all this BLM land to go hide on!

      1. I’ll be happy to do it, friend. I stay out in the open, Rich, as you can guess, because for me it’s better to be John the Baptist and lose my head than it is to hope Caesar won’t notice me. Eventually, even Masada could not stand against the Empire, though. Nowhere to hide, eventually.

        Still, I will be in admiration of all the modern-day Jeremiah Johnsons–and the Red Dawn kids–who will evade the empire even as I’m plotting to capture rats to eat in the FEMA camp. I’ll share, trust me, when they finally evacuate the “public” lands, and the bunk is needed. We’ll have plenty to talk about.

        Cheers!

        1. Patrick,
          The Red Dawn/Jeremiah Johnson theme is a nice little dream, and I do like to be somewhat prepared for the worst, but I do not base my existence on it. Nonetheless I know that the empire moves too slow to ever let it come to that. Most of us(myself included) are too tied into the matrix to know when, and if to give it all up and run. When the empire needs to get rid of someone, they just turn them into a criminal with the stroke of a key, and either you will go quickly, and quietly, or be hunted down(Dorner style). They know better than to allow any John the Baptists this time around, and are too well equipped with their media machine to let any one martyr get too popular. Dying for what you believe in will always make a more powerful statement than fighting for what you believe in. I will give you that. The problem with the matrix is, will anyone ever really know what you died for? In the matrix, neither martyrs, nor revolutionaries will be given a fair shake before they are sent down the memory hole. Thanks for your comments here, they are of more value than most realize.

      2. You capture the problem with this new phase of organized oppression perfectly, Rich. We can dream of escaping the Matrix, as many were able to do in other phases of history, but this time they won’t allow it. You’re right about that.

        I recently read an article by Gary North about the final phase of Rome, when the middle class had been squeezed so tightly that survival inside THAT Matrix became almost impossible; there was one escape, which was to leave everything behind and walk across the border into the lands of the germanic tribes, the “barbarians.” You’d have no idea what they would do to you, but the risk was better than conditions back home; if you had a skill they could use, they’d take you in, and you’d have a much freer life (although it would have felt quite alien, and take a lot of getting used to).

        We have no such option today. “One World” sounds so idealistic to young people–but it is Hell on Earth in reality.

    2. Isee, maybe, but I don’t give him that much credit for being that Machiavellian. I would chalk all that up to be inconsistent and impulsive.

      You are right about the similarity to Obongo’s approach. Lot’s of meaningless blather always seems to trump logic. If you keep talking its hard to pin you down. If you keep changing the subject its hard for them to concentrate on what you’re saying.

      Your description is precisely how controllers operate. They don’t want to discuss your ideas, they want you to support theirs.

      One final comment on asbestos. It is everywhere. Virtually ALL old buildings have it. They don’t close them because of it. As long as it isn’t disturbed, so that it becomes friable, it’s fine. If you remodel or something you have to abate it. Simply having it in a building is not indicative of anything. They are required to do a survey, however. Depending on the results they may be forced to do some abatement. It’s a good question in that regard.

      As to Rich’s “Hotel Fed” comments. I’m afraid those who go there will be there for the re-education program. Those beyond hope for that will not get to make the journey.

      1. Here is yet another example of how they are manipulating words, and still nobody comments. This posted by Thomas Lapp on Sandy Hook Justice FB page:

        “The opposition is getting desperate. Starting with the idle veiled threats received before our trip to Newtown. Then they stepped things up by contacting Wolfgang’s wife, telling her Wolf would be arrested if he went to that school board meeting. Then last night I received threats against myself from an unknown source. I will not back off, I will stand right next to Wolfgang in this endeavor. Why? Because Wolf has never been about proving this thing was a hoax, he is not a conspiracy theorist. He has been pushing to get to the truth, plain and simple. I hear him all the time say “God please tell me I am wrong”. If anyone thinks he is on a crusade to prove this is a hoax they are dead wrong. This has always been about the truth since the beginning. If someone out there can give us evidence to prove this thing was not a hoax, we are all ears.

        Wolf has never been about proving this was a hoax? He has been pushing to get to the truth plain and simple. – What’s the damn difference?

        A quote from Wolf at Fellowshipoftheminds blog:

        “In my professional opinion [as a school safety consultant], I suspect Sandy Hook was a scripted event that took place, in the planning for two or 2½ years.”

        Definintion of hoax: hoax (hōks) n. 1. An act intended to deceive or trick. 2. Something that has been established or accepted by fraudulent means

        In one sentence he says “Wolf has never been about proving this is a hoax” then in the next sentence he says “If someone out there can give us evidence to prove this thing was not a hoax, we are all ears.”

        There was no need to interject that Wolf is not a conspiracy theorist. Anybody who doubts the official or MSM version of anything is labeled CT – so he has tainted the term once again.

        There were people asking legitimate questions yesterday about their next tactic about issuing subpoenas. Mr. Lapp’s response was that sometimes people should just sit back and let the attorney’s do their job. He did not answer their questions.

        1. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Thomas Lapp’s statement, as I can confirm. Wolf is a national school safety expert. He has been trying to find out what happened at Sandy Hook so that he can advise other school districts how to avoid such a calamity. He wants the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

          The deeper he has dug, however, the more he has become convinced that it was a scam and a fraud. Petty complaints like this one give all of us a bad name. I can’t believe the uncharitable comments that appear on this blog attacking a good man who is doing more than anyone else to carry this scandal to the American people.

      2. Mr Fetzer:

        You misunderstood my post – it is an observation, not a complaint.

        I was simply pointing out the odd things that are posted on the Sandy Hook Justice FB page, such as the double-speak comment from Mr. Lapp on Wolf not calling it a hoax, but then saying prove it’s not a hoax. Or admonishing people questioning the subpoena route by telling them to stay out of it and leave it to the attorney’s.

        I notice quite often that pictures of Wolf in his cop outfit are arbitrarily posted next to SH crime scene photos, news photos, etc. No explanation is ever given as to why they are there. I have yet to see one person ask about them. If anybody does ask a relevant question or for clarification (i.e. goes against the grain) they are promptly shouted down, cursed at and made to feel like an albatross (not only by followers, but by Wolf & Thomas) – reminds me of Rules for Radicals. I also find it odd that he begins with “stay focused on these 16 questions ONLY” and then starts straying away from them asking ridiculous things like how to respond to a Comcast email or if 501(c)3 records are public.

        I point these out to show how non-sensical things are thrown up on his FB page and nobody comments. Is it an exercise to see if people will questions such odd thing that are right in front of them or will they remain silent like the majority? I can’t think of any other explanation.

        I, therefore, find it interesting that you make the claim that people like me, who dare to question anything Wolf or his team does or says, is hurting the truth movement. Yet he posts these photos of himself in uniform inappropriately, can’t form a cogent sentence sometimes (you either write/speak the language well or you don’t – people don’t go back and forth like that) and mostly all of his supporters blindly follow him and viciously go after anybody who dares ask a relevant question. They’re not hurting the truth movement, though… I am?

        Kind of like the Obama election – ask a relevant question and you get no answer and are promptly belittled and shouted down and accused of being a racist.

        I also don’t like being told that I am unappreciative of someone’s efforts. I have no idea who this man really is or you for that matter. He just dropped in one day out of nowhere and everyone is supposed to blindly follow him because of some “impressive credentials“. I don’t need nor want a leader.

        1. No one is “blindly following” anyone–and most certainly Wolf has not asked that of anyone. I learned of him from James Tracy, who had not followed up contact Wolf had made for three months. I called him and it was obvious to me that he was ideally qualified to contribute to Sandy Hook research: a former Florida State trooper, a former administrator with 36 years as a principle, assistant principle and so forth; and a nationally recognized school safety expert who has conducted seminars for school districts across the nation.

          It isn’t rocket science to see the man has something to say. He has done repeated FOIA requests with no response; he has made phone calls, with no replies; he has asked questions high and low, because as a school safety expert, he wants to know what happened so that he can advise other school districts how to avoid something like that happening. He was astonished that even the FBI report was classified and he was taunted that he would “never see it” in his lifetime. I know the man personally and he is “the real deal”. And the kinds of attacks that have been launched against him are unwarranted.

          On the other hand, I have spent no time on the web site. He is being assisted there by Thomas Lapp, whom I do not know either, although I met him in Newtown. Web site management, especially in a complex and controversial case like this one, can be a messy business, since there are many opinions about what should be posted or featured and what not. For all I know. some of your complaints about the web site may be warranted. But Wolf is making a difference to the public’s perception of Sandy Hook because he is down-to-earth, eminently qualified and speaks with a calm. clear voice.

        2. Jim, for the record Wolfgang originally attempted to establish contact with me in March 2013, then again that December, then this January, according to emails I found that he sent to my .edu address. That March I was somewhat inundated with emails related to the controversy and thus did not respond.

        3. James, I am not faulting you for not following up with Wolf. You were swamped with reactions to your early study of Wayne Carver. I am just glad you let me know about Wolf.

        4. The problem is that even if the presentations were brilliant – not many will know of them. The average “Joe” and “Jill” on the street have not seen the video of the school board meeting. It is a non-story as far as the main-stream goes. I fail to see how it was at all effective, sadly.

        5. With all due respect, you may want to check out the Sandy Hook Justice Facebook page…all current and historical entries, before attacking Patrick’s opinions of the content.

  16. This is captain crunch checking in. The names Melbourne Sann from Rome NY. I dress in a colonial attire because my superman costume is in the dry cleaners. LOL I dress in colonial attire to try and draw attention to the fact that our forefathers (who dressed as such) would be rolling-over in their graves as to where this country is at this very moment. I also represent the Militia of America.

    At first glance of the Newtown School board meeting I was disappointed as well. However when you review it again and again we all had our comments regarding the agenda of this country , The basic Sandy Hook questions, phys ops, mental health, internet information available, the hidden agenda of this country, the lack of evidence of a mass killer/victims the fact that others will probably start to come forth, and the important fact that people involved of the conspiracy will be held accountable for their actions/in-actions in the end. So we are looking for the truth, the lies. This blatant assault on the intelligence of this great country citizen to be seen as a sheep who would believe the sloppiness of this Hoax is a the real tragedy. We in fact put the town and the puppet masters “on notice”.

    There is no Columbine conspiracy. That really happened and Wolfgang was involved on that true tragedy and understands how to pick them apart. We have hired an Attorney in Hartford Ct who hopefully cannot be bought. We are filing formal request under the freedom of information act with the school board as well as the state police and the united way. So there’s more to come. We will present our case and hold their feet to the fire.

    What we were doing at the board meeting was a overall scope of Sandy Hook, knowing these member we ordered to keep silent. There was a two way glass to the right where the puppet masters were sitting. Wolfgang was threatened in the bathroom moments before his comments by a 6’5″ bald guy. I was threatened by the codes guys ( 1) when I was puting out my 16 questions on the lawn (individual signs) as the codes gut read the questions and started riping out my signs with two police officers present. (2)The Another code guys came by and stated I could not push around My life size effigy and protest with my first amendment rights. After going round and round and told I could only have one sign and it had to be carried.

    Finally as I stood off to the side of the main walkway (by myself) I was repeatedly harassed by the main codes guy (the one in Wolfgangs video) if the bottom of my protest sign touched the ground,”Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive”. He sat with a police officer outdide the town office and hawked me for hours. I had to balance it on my foot while standing their for three hours until Wolfgang showed up with the Carvery. I personally was waiting for folks like you all to arrive so I could hand each one of you a sign and we could speak with a larger voice. I have one video wich I will get up but missed the big opportunity when the first codes guy was ripping up my signs out of the ground and spouting “Just go home”. I was without a camera guy and had not done many video’s, had my hands full of props and forgot to push record on my smart phone that time, I also had a round and round with the local police regarding 1st amendment zones , littering with my signs , that I need a permit to protest, and that I had to pack up my gig, as the codes guy is ripping up my property and they were blowing across the parking lot in the strong wind, as I went chasing trying to avoid a littering ticket or worse… jail. I never lost my composure as I asked the law enforcement officers if they remember the oath of office the took and the importance of the US Constitution.

    I came dressed in a (Captain Crunch outfit) to draw attention to our cause which is a concern for our US Constitution. The price our forefathers paid and the thought they must have put into the founding of this great country.

    So this was not my first protest. See here ..2nd Amendment Albany NY Rally April 1St 20014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo47wKLeWX0 . Or my second see here Conn children ask for the truth about Sandy Hook! https://www.youtube.com /watch?v=C5RdDwI2QQ0. Don’t worry I have the best civil rights attorney out of Buffalo NY The Tresmond Law firm who has agreed to represent me . So we will make them pay for the “first gun confiscation in NY” (a wooden cutout) and theInfringements on our/my right to free speech. True I travel with a dummy and he gets spanked…but that is whats going to happen to these two Governors (Cuomo and Malloy) in Nov if our elections have not in fact been compromised. I’ve also marched/protested three times in Albany and then on DC when the Goberment shutdown the WWL memorials where I personally tossed the barriers on the back gates of the White House along with my former military and concerned citizens where we sang the Buffalo Springfield “stop children whats that sound, everybody looks what going down” song. I’ll always remember that moment as will the police officers watching us.

    I could have used some help at all the rally’s, as I always seem to head out their alone, (always seems to be a workday) everyone has an excuse, even my kids. So when you write regarding my attire think of your founding fathers the 3% (founding father’s) who won these liberty’s you freely enjoy. Think of how those liberty’s are slipping away in the order they were written the first and the second amendments…free speech and right to bear arms.

    Newtown was a different animal and more of a bitch session all one sided. We needed to get the hoax back up on the table of open discussion and not let it get “slid under the rug.” True it could of went better, so after a second review I think you/they’ll have got the message. In the protest word there is no such thing a bad press, as it it nearly impossible to get any MSM to run a story in the main media you try to spin it into a message of sorts. The MSM always send out the young reporters and we do a story or film and when they get back to the station the editor tell the naive reporters thanks but no thanks when it comes to airing the story. This is something I know first hand ….many times. So it a up hill battle but George Washington had it worse. So I keep that in mind that freedom of speech most definatly applies to the media. Where are the Journalist. Try to not kick the teeth in on those who are actually trying to make a difference and the best way to help the sheeple “is not to be one of them” I’m here to wake you up and invite you to join me at the next circus where there ares sure to have “the clowns”

    Melbourne served in the 10th Mountain Division( Infantry), and then as a helicopter pilot in Germany with the 4/11 Air Calvary regiment (during first gulf war). After which time he Graduated from SUNY Institute of Technology (telecommunications)at the top 3 percent of his class. He has owned a restaurant where he pioneered two inventions regarding rapid food thawing and another US patent, food steamer. As a entrepreneur he has two business with his wife, raises standard poodles, as well as 5 kids of his own.

    1. I fully understand your message Melbourne. I get it! You deserve more support. Let us know when and where you need strength in numbers.

    2. put them on notice? you dont honestly think Newtown, all other local police departments, the fbi and state police arent aware of you CTs, do you? Speaking gun control and advocating violence (effigies being hung) at a school board meeting is juvenile and ridiculous.

      Why dont you go to the Conn. Legislature if you have issues with Conn. gun laws. America is a REPUBLIC. Our state laws are frankly none of your business. If you dont like your state law then take it up with your own state.

      But i do appreciate that you came to Newtown. Now the masses understand what kind of loonies we are dealing with.

      Pics of you and Halbig laughing it up in Newtown where 20 children and 6 teachers were slaughtered. Where hundreds of children are still traumatized by events of that day and will continue to be for years and years. 26 wakes and 26 funerals in 6 days right before Christmas.

      priceless.

      1. Kindly post your evidence for the claims you are making regarding the “slaughters” of teachers and children. Also, please submit your evidence regarding the children exposed to and traumatized by the “slaughters”.

      2. Priceless? Here’s what’s really priceless:

        “A-N-O-N-Y-M-O-U-S”

        …that about says it all.

    3. Not to get off topic, but what makes you so certain that “there is no Columbine conspiracy?” Many would beg to differ.

  17. I have commented on so many different sites with regards to Sandy Hook that they are all blurred, so forgive me please if I have already posted this here before on MHB. Since 12-14-12 I have made two trips to Sandy Hook Ct. The first time I knocked on one of the side doors of the S.H. Vol. Fire and Rescue firehouse (actually it was one of the doors people were circling in and out of witnessed in many of the videos). Eventually the door opened and I was invited in to speak with the gentleman who opened the door. He began by asking me what news outlet I was affiliated with, and I told him I was a Christian who was representing an internet Christian ministry. He identified himself as second assistant fire chief Mike Burton, and after exchanging some pleasantries I asked him if he was aware that there were many who questioned the validity of the Sandy Hook narrative, and that there were countless websites and Youtube videos which were declaring that the whole thing was a hoax (and this was in June of ’13, so half a year had passed). He responded by stating that “Anyone who doesn’t believe that people died there is an asshole.” I then asked him to explain if he could, why there were no emergency vehicles in front of the school, that instead they were all hemmed in by a mass of other vehicles. His response was, and I guess you would have to have been there to see the look on his face, chillingly curious and suspicious. He said, “We have nothing to be ashamed of.” I tried to press him further, even suggesting he or someone else in authority allow me to interview him on Blog
    Talk Radio to perhaps tell their side of the story, but he abruptly ended the conversation by stating that any further questions needed to be directed to Fire Chief Bill Halstead. I left my information with Burton, but needless to say no one from S.H. Vol. Fire and Rescue ever got back to me.
    You get a sense from being there in Sandy Hook and actually speaking with the players that you cant get from afar. And with regards specifically to the personnel of Sandy Hook Volunteer Fire and Rescue my sense is this; they were reluctant participants in the staging of this non-event, probably not all of them, but surely Halstead and Burton. Its almost impossible to digest that they would actually agree to participate in such a heinous ruse, but what alternative explanation is there to hold onto, other than believing that it all really happened as reported?.
    Nothing in my life has wearied me to the degree that 12-14-12 in Sandy Hook Ct. has (and I know there are countless others who can say the same). I went back to Sandy Hook a couple of months later, in August of 2013. Another intriguing encounter with S.H. Vol. Fire and Rescue personnel. Too drained now though. Tell you all about it when I get some wind in my sails.

    1. Well done Joe. Consider that the Fire Station personnel may not knowingly have signed up for the full hoax. They are complicit now however and being paid for their silence and obfuscation of truth searching questions. As a band of brothers they will carry this lie to their graves.
      One of the victories of WolfG. and Fetzer et.al is that alert voters everywhere may ponder and question their school board candidates and board members regarding morals that would permit a SHE copycat event.

      1. fv, that’s a good insight. This happens to cops, a lot. They see something that they know is wrong but have to stuff it to stay employed.

        I haven’t studied the make up of the school board. The odds are that they wouldn’t know much more about this than the general public. They either believe or they keep their mouths shut out of discretion.

        As usual the one “burning” question for me is “did they know that the school wasn’t open?”. That would make them complicit. Those would be good school board questions.

        We’ve said many times that those records should be easy to get. Barring those a few simple interviews with bus drivers, cafeteria workers, garbage collectors, etc., should clear that up.

        Most people can keep a lie for a time. There are those, however, who have consciouses that just won’t allow that. They might remain silent if nobody pressed them. If they were getting pressured they just might crack.

        The reason I keep coming back to this is that it cuts across all the compartmentalization. It was either open, or it wasn’t. That is a fact that would impact anyone identified with it.

        I can see someone signing up for the drill (or drills) and finding themselves in a compromised position. People have to eat. Some people can be very threatening. The actors and the extras don’t have all the pieces. The workers at least know if they went to work.

      2. I may be tipping my hand but at this point in my life I really don’t care. You see, I have a Helper who is going with me. Let truth be honored above all else. At some point this summer I intend to visit Sandy Hook for a third time. This time I am not going in an attempt to interview “officials.” I am planning to knock on doors…just…doors to ordinary houses, hopefully filled with ordinary people. I am going to ask questions regarding what, if anything, “ordinary” Sandy Hook residents know about 12-14-12. I will be utterly respectful. I will move on if directed to do so. My hope and prayer is that some HUMAN BEING will be compelled by his or her own humanity to say something that up to this point, they haven’t. I truly do not know whether this trip will reveal anything of substance. I only know that I am compelled to go, and that if I don’t go, an uneasiness within my own spirit will fester. As a bible believing Christian I may be placing some distance between myself and others here who reject the “hidden in plain sight” absurdity of Sandy Hook, but rest assured, within me there is no other agenda than the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. I am fully aware that an arrest is a very real possibility. There is no false bravado here. If I am arrested I may abuse myself verbally for being a fool. But again, the alternative is something that I just refuse to live with.

        1. Joe, I don’t know you but I have concerns about your plan and the danger — to your personal safety. Don’t go alone – be in a group.

          I think back to the missing real estate agent who worked in the attorney’s office….the one tangled in this stuff. I have long suspected he found data or he was having second thoughts before he disappeared. That being the suspicion – I would imagine no one will be willing to risk going against the tide in that town.

        2. Your search for Newtown humans with consciousness and integrity is admirable JM. With that intention your journey will be profoundly illuminating and worthy of sharing. You will have critically needed historical book material. I will purchase an advanced copy. Your tape recorder will serve you well.
          The mind set I experience in talking with SHE area business associates is that some have had their rationale brains switched off because of the belief that children were killed. The conversation on the topic with this group ends. The group that have preserved their rationale brain processing can discuss evidence and the discussion is lively.
          The reason Wolfgang did not kick off his remarks by denying occurrence of deaths was purposed to avoid triggering outrage from those who are programmed with children death belief.

      3. Wow, I’m trippin’. I said The ONLY person that needs to be found, hooked up to a Lie Detector and given truth serum is Rick Thorne. End Game. I Know I hid behind my desk woman and saw his eyes or feet went main stream and she got her check in the mail…. Beth said in response to my post “Most definitely – that cowboy’s stories have been all over the place.”? Rick Thorne has never gave an interview? Are you talking about the BMB Hat Guy?
        I’m wondering…. Halbig and Fetzer did good and so did Williams saying “talk to us in secret”. Halbig made it a point to say he gave money to implicate them, Cap ‘N’ Crunch..haha Fish.. Came on and stated his gig..weird but sincere I guess? Microwave woman..?Navy shooting ELF? Then weird the Sandy girl saying they all stayed away (Newtown Folk) but will kill us if we return..? I thought they took all their guns away after Sandy Hook? Ha Ha.
        I’m sensing there is someting not quite right here on this blog. There’s a lot of people saying things. This blog is about 20 people at best that blog…..
        Rick Thorne is the answer..Period

        1. Sorry Ric, I was thinking about the school janitor…his statements as to where he was and when were all over.

    2. Joe, that’s an interesting account. I think it is great, and courageous of you. As Beth said, I’d be careful.

      I’ve speculated on this as well. While I certainly can’t explain what would possess a person to participate, I can believe that highly placed individuals would do something like this. I’ve always thought that they probably became involved through the drill and had no idea that it would end up being spun the way it was.

      From there it would be a matter of threats and intimidation. Rewards for the compliant, worse for the recalcitrant. I actually understand (although I don’t condone) the “officials” and officers who are caught up in this.

      In thinking it through, that leaves the ordinary citizens who largely probably believe the official story to some degree. I suspect that anyone who was vocal about their doubts was paid a visit. Pressure could be applied through their work or other affiliations. Barring all else, outright threats would be used.

      I too am a Christian and, as such, it is inconceivable to me that a person would cooperate. On the other hand, I’m a realist and work around people every day that would do something like this for the right reward. It has to do with how important your morals and ethics are to you and how developed one’s conscious is.

      For those who take their examples from the world around them it isn’t much of a reach to sink that low. Most, when confronted with a moral dilemma simply look left, then right, to see what the other person thinks.

      My concern about speaking to people “door-to-door” is that news travels fast. I would expect that people would be more willing to talk outside of their home turf. I can’t help remembering a guy from there early on who was making videos about the place. He made three that I saw. The final one was about his stopping and how frightened he was. It wasn’t an act and he wasn’t the sort of guy who scared easily.

      I’ve said before that I don’t think they care if we know. I think it has more to do with the continuing drill and testing how well they can control a population. If they can pay people for their silence they can pay them to snitch. It only takes making an example of a couple for the others to get the idea.

      So, I wish you the best. Be careful and let us know what you find out. Have you considered asking them to meet with you somewhere? Somehow I feel that they may feel safer outside their neighborhood.

      1. I am moved by the sincerity here, but I would ask people who consider the people of Sandy Hook to have gone along for low motives or fear or expediency, to consider how they might have been persuaded to regard the event as something morally positive, a “noble lie.” I am assuming here for the sake of my argument that people you meet in Sandy Hook are not employees of some other venture entirely, but ordinary citizens caught up in something this sinister.

        Can you imagine people being told that this would end all the murder and mayhem of weapons allowed to Americans under the Second Amendment, that it would launch an immediate move to repeal it, and then, to convince them further, they would be shown pictures of actual dead children from other schools, where massacres had occurred? I mean how do you convince people to take part in something like this? They always say the drills are for your own good whenever they run them. But as this one was going to go farther, the payments given to them would be characterized as payment in advance for helping rid the country of these dangers. In a way, even as I propose this, I’m thinking it is not going to work – unless it was a huge amount of money or favors.

        Again I go back to the notion of a Potemkin village, with paid caretakers who only seem to be ordinary citizens.

        If I were ever to go there, it would be on my way to somewhere else and just for a peek with an open mind. But I would not automatically believe it was for real because anyone with half a brain would have cleared out already.

      2. Hey Lophatt, All good points.

        I’ve always suspected 70 or 80% of the people in the town (although I am not familiar with the area) might not even be involved – because they have no children / no children in the school or work out of / have primary residences out of town. Perhaps for other reasons they are not engaged (work at home, retired, don’t get out much, don’t know a ton of people, etc.).

        If these (“outliers”) people were told, “There was a mass shooting at the local school,” they take the news at face value, feel horrified and then, frankly – move on…since they have no “skin” in the game. So, these 80% or so are easy pickings as far as making the drama seem “real”. I mean, who in their “right mind” would think it was made up? They see the players’ dramatics and assume that it happened as they were told.

        Getting anyone to come forward in that community might be like pulling teeth unless they could do so with the guaranty of anonymity…and a ticket out of town. Can you imagine? They’d probably put the person in stocks in the town square….or worse, if they were found out (even if they just hinted they suspected a fake event).

        1. I disagree with you Beth D. Everyone in Newtown is involved at some level….denial, peer pressure silence, economic/? pressure silence, paid silence, active duty.
          Our town lost one elementary student to an abduction….everyone knew, had some degree of emotion, an opinion on what to do and various degrees of outrage.

        2. I believe she was saying that many of the residents aren’t even residents but own a vacation house there. how would they know if that school was functioning or not if they didn’t go there?

        3. Yeppers…that too. But it is amazing how, even in smaller communities how detached many people are / have become. Certain childless people in a population couldn’t even tell you the name of the local schools, for example. .

        4. I understand where you’re coming from. However, if I accept the news, express an opinion on it and move on with my life – that doesn’t make me “in on it”. I’m only saying that a certain percentage of the population won’t question the news, won’t dig any deeper — it just rolls off of their backs.

      3. The ONLY person that needs to be found, hooked up to a Lie Detector and given truth serum is RIck Thorne.

      4. Everyone has valid points here. I’ve been using the Potemkin Village analogy for a very long time. Like Beth said I “suspect” that a large number of residents had little or no involvement. On the other hand, as fv says, if they have information and they’re simply sitting on it or are being coerced and stay, they are complicit.

        As (I think) Musings was pointing out, there is a lot of Satanic activity there. That is no laughing matter. Going into an area that’s controlled by them alone is not a wise idea.

        There is also the aspect of an “art colony” about it. Like-minded people with an A-21 vision. As Beth points out, this is hard to determine because so many of the players were actors. I don’t really know how many of them were “real”.

        If I had to hazard a guess I’d say that at least 100 people would have to know. Those would be your bus drivers, school officials, cafeteria workers, etc.. Beth and I discussed previously the fact that, since I don’t have school age children any longer, I wouldn’t have any idea what goes on at the school, even though its right down the street.

        Most of these people would watch the disturbingly weird A. Cooper and believe every smarmy thing that dribbled from his beak. On the other hand, they would have no reason to be particularly angry about it either. In a “normal” place I don’t see why anyone would have a civil conversation about this. The problem is, this place isn’t “normal”.

        I think fv’s comments are challenging. Why would a non-participant choose to live there if they were being watched and coerced? Does anybody actually live there who isn’t affiliated with this agenda? It’s a question that deserves an answer.

        1. It would be interesting if one could obtain research that showed everyone who moved into Newtown two years prior to the event (we already know this includes many of the families involved) and who moved out two years later.

    3. Joe – Do not recall seeing your comments on this site before so you probably missed the discussions on the gas pipeline that goes through the neighborhood.

      There was an early report of one resident who claimed the buzzing from the gas pumping stations is driving people crazy, he quickly disappeared.

      Of interest is Yogananda St and Charter Ridge, google maps has been modified 1) street view was available and removed 2) at one point several houses were listed on one lot 3) today they are neatly in their own lots and street view is still not available.

      36 Yogananda was listed as the Lanza home. Behind 35 was a previously unmarked house in the middle of the woods which is suspected of being a pumping station and is now listed as 39.

      In Zillow what appears to be a retention pound at 39 is viewable, in google it is now lush forest. Utilities are very good at disguising their stations to blend in as in making it look a house. If the generator is operating, there would be a loud turbine whirling. Typically they would procure the land adjacent to create a buffer zone.

      Interesting that 39 Yogananda was just listed for rent in Aoril for $3200 per month.

    4. i wouldnt waste your time. newtown has opened up to several people already but thanks to halbig and his wacky friends its gonna be pretty hard to find anyone to even talk to you about the event now.

      we also know now that anyone asking questions probably has a tape recorder in their pocket, even if we dont see a camera…because your co-conspirators showed that. and even if we dont care about that, all our personal info will be posted online and backgrounds dug through.

      and you wont believe us anyway if noone says what you want to hear. and trust me, noone is gonna say what you want to hear because there is no hoax. there are no coverups. every single bit of information ive seen hoaxers post about is available online. it’s not that hard to find.

      you should have sent some decent people (we had some decent respectful hoaxers early on) earlier to ask questions before everyone was disgusted and on guard. halbig and Fetzer messed you guys up bigtime.

      1. oh a nd i’m using anonymous (cant reply to that guys thread directly) because one of the captain crunch crew told us to post as anonymous.

      2. This is a hoax. I am fascinated if anyone thinks this is for real. Wolf and I were model citizens and delivered our statements in a most respectful fashion. I have a pretty good idea who would do something like this. It’s rather amusing, but playing the audience here for saps. Fascinating!

      3. Sadly true, I’m sure.
        But they are not the rest of us.

        If you read back to historical comments in this site you will see who the honest-to-goodness truthseekers are. I believe there are those of us here (who are the real-deal) — would protect anyone who wanted to relieve themselves of this event’s burdens. I know I would do whatever it took to shield that person/those people because it would be a very brave thing to do.

      4. Maybe the point that’s missing is that, if we’re all “crazy” and “uninformed” why waste your time? If someone buys this extravaganza, great! I don’t feel compelled to visit those sites and tell them how wrong I think they are. Why would I care?

        No one has an “obligation” to believe ANYTHING the media puts out. No one has an obligation to “support” anyone else who claims to have similar opinions. At least some of us here are not looking for a leader.

        I am a human being and a citizen with every right to believe anything I choose with or without someone else’s “permission” or approval. People here do their research, post their thoughts and we comment on them. No one is forcing anyone else to read them or agree with them.

        I have seen several examples of sites that appear to buy the whole deal. I don’t feel compelled to hop over there and try to disrupt their conversations. I don’t holler for someone to “moderate” the comments to better suit me.

        We are free to make our own choices. If some want to join a “cause”, fine. It doesn’t compel everyone else to come along. If someone offers an opinion about an approach, they have a right to.

        Some of us have stated (clearly I think), what our objections were to “storming the Bastille” in the vain hope for………what? A confession? Legal action? Good publicity?

        I don’t know if this has caused any harm. I do know that, just like countless other (perhaps more serious), operations over the decades, the perpetrators have gone unpunished. That’s what happens when the perpetrators are in charge of “justice”. We don’t have to like this, (and I don’t), but it is reality.

        So, I’m going to keep doing what I’ve been doing and saying what I think needs to be said. If others are unhappy with that they’ll just have to “adjust” or not, that’s THEIR choice.

  18. A circus , well that is certainly one way to put this. A charade would be another, this stunt is laughable at best. Wolfgang brought up some relevant questions that need to be asked and answered, good luck with that. Why on Gods earth does he say that monetary donations are needed to heal is any ones guess , very strange. On one hand its something ,on the other its just embarrassing. I just don’t understand why if this was widely known that wolf was coming, where the hell are all the people local to that area that are aware of this obvious hoax. Perhaps their already in the camps.

    1. So John Wayne, if you were a “local” to SHE what would you have been doing since the curtain opened on this obvious theatrical stunt?
      Regarding money to compensate loss: An overwhelming theme in SHE and possibly presented by the Wolf as satirical. On one level the “death benefit” via a life insurance settlement perfectly meets the Wolf description.

    2. John Wayne,

      I watched the video of the Newtown School Board Meeting, and thought about his statement. I concluded that Wolfgang probably brought up his donation for a couple of good reasons. It seems logical that he was establishing his legal standing with regard to his investigation of the United Way funds, where he was blocked from entering their offices only hours before. He may decide to pursue legal means in the future.

      Also, he and Professor Fetzer were sitting in the lion’s den, and he probably felt it wise to show his original empathy, especially for the majority of Newtown residents who believe very deeply that this was real. Mr. Halbig is pretty good at hitting the right notes at the right time.

      Both he and Professor Fetzer used their three minutes well, and their attorney, Day Williams, followed with his offer of confidentiality for those who may wish to provide information. Wolfgang wasn’t preaching to the choir this time. It was a team message, and together they brought questions to the fore, in an attempt at a palatable form there in Newtown, that may not have been considered before now by those for whom this event continues to be a sacred tragedy.

      Charade? Stunt? Those are pretty hostile words for his direct challenge, which is certainly better than just allowing this myth to continue. The picture of him in the CT post is worth a thousand words. This is a respectable person, with fine credentials, expressing what we all feel – we are begging for the truth.

      1. hey Sandy ,perhaps I was a bit out of line ,its hard to be nice when all you wish is for the madness to be exposed. Boston was out in the open, and yet still excepted by some or most ,I guess you really cant be sure nowadays where the public majority stands. But the media certainly gets away with their fakery. I must say when the wolf came to light I was more than excited , but then a consensus was saying he had other than genuine motives. I found myself being torn both ways ,on one hand I wanted to believe in him and on the other I just figured their probably right and I should hold back my excitement. The wolf asked some very obvious questions that need to be answered ,and his cohorts also seem to be credible . I guess I just wanted more,i will say that I was less than impressed with Mr. Bidondi,it seemed he was repeating the msm version and stating that there were indeed deaths,which I must say that if you believe that this was indeed a hoax you must accept that no one died in sh. I as im sure alot of people fell in love with Mr.Bidondi in boston ,but not so much here.I guess I wanted more,i also got the impression that the crew was perceived as bunch of whackos by the fence dwellers.

      2. Professor Fetzer,

        Thank you for the link to your other recent article posted at Veteran’s Today. Dawn Hochsprungs posthumous interview was an egregious foul-up indeed. It was almost eclipsed however, by the publicly expressed horror, on Facebook, by Ms. Gaubert when she discovered that her Daughter Lilly’s photograph had been hijacked by the AP to represent one of the victims.

        I have been curious as to how the perpetrators of this event would be able to invent a fictitious family for Allison Wyatt, especially when the cat was out of the bag so soon. What have we seen of the ‘Wyatts”? Nothing. What have we heard? Dead silence. For a year, the only grave marker was a rain soaked and faded tag from the funeral home, surrounded by dead flowers. I would imagine they have a stone up now because of the attention this neglected grave received from alternative media.

        You would think the parents might show up to help build their daughter’s playground. Nope. The builder explained to a Courant reporter, who was covering the volunteer efforts, that the family was very private. The ribbon cutting? Didn’t see them anywhere.

        Here is what a news article stated:

        “A crowd of several hundred gathered Sunday afternoon to celebrate completion of the playground in the North Water Street park and for a ribbon-cutting presided over by Allison’s family. Organizers, however, asked the press not to photograph or talk to the Wyatts.”

        The damn is breaking on this one – especially after the School Board Meeting. Newtown has been the recipient of historically unprecedented wealth and fawning attention, but when the financial well runs dry, the crashing down will begin. It has started already with the drastic drop in school enrollment (250,) the vandalism to the playgrounds, and the creation of 400,000 newly minted felons in the state of CT, who refuse to recognize new guns laws based on this false event.

        I hope Halbig pursues the Assault and Battery charge, and files suit against the United Way. Each new episode brings more press and is getting the truth out to a lot more people. I hope your efforts give courage to those who are afraid to share what they know.

        1. Sandy, Good ideas! I think we will follow through on the assault and battery. We are creating a short video about it and a documentary on our visit to Sandy Hook.

          There are signs of progress. Three of my articles on Sandy Hook have been ranked in the top five among the top 50 read in Veterans Today this week. Right now, I have #1, #3 and #7.

          To see how they are doing, go to one of my articles, such as “Wolfgang Halbig heads for Newtown in pursuit of Sandy Hook truth”, http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/03/24/wolfgang-halbig-heads-to-newtown-for-the-truth-about-sandy-hook/ and scroll down to be bottom of the page for the 50 most read articles each week.

    3. Clicked on this story in the CT Post thinking it was about Wolf and company – but it’s about the Ringling Circus coming to Hartford this week.

      http://www.ctpost.com/news/us/article/Circus-resumes-in-Connecticut-without-incident-5465158.php

      Coincidence? So many in Connecticut it seems. So in reading the story I have to hold back laughter at some more coincidences regarding the names of the people interviewed about the injuries to the acrobats last week in Rhode Island. 1st name – Stephen Payne (pain) and then Nicole Feld (felled).

      Of course first responders have to be thanked (that’s becoming mandatory now – having to recognize 1st responders who do their jobs and get a paycheck for it).

      Also, the picture showing the hair dangling stunt gives the appearance of some sort of Masonic symbolism.

      1. Oh boy…it’s like the witness who spoke to the press about the recent Fed Ex facility shooting: Liza Aiken (phonetically: Lies a’ achin’)

      2. “They consider their safety practices to be impeccable”? Dangling from your hair, netless? What could go wrong?

  19. Credibility Lost.

    “Wolfgang Halbig, left, a former Florida State Trooper and school principal, and Melbourne San, of Rome, N.Y., laugh before the Board of Education meeting at the Newtown Municipal Center Council Chambers in Newtown, Conn. Tuesday, May 6, 2014.”
    Photo: Tyler Sizemore
    http://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Newtown-school-board-greets-Sandy-Hook-skeptics-5458643.php#photo-6267883

    One picture may speak a thousand words.

    1. So to the believer’s of Sandy Hook, Wolfgang smiling for a picture with someone dressed in Colonial attire is enough to call his credibility into question, but Robbie Parker, with his smug laugh before the press conference about his daughter’s murder remains unimpeachable? The hypocrisy is astounding.

      1. Michelle has it right. Focusing on superficial things just takes away from the point at hand. I also like to keep other “events” separate from this one.

        Where is all the outrage from the “parents” that lost a child? It would seem to me if all of this was real they would have a field day with Halbig.

        0 lawsuits against the school.

        1. Indeed Miggy, could we say theoretically there are at a minimum approximately 700 parents that were allegedly traumatized. If 1% showed up to see Halbig out of simple curiosity then the room would have been packed. I suppose the budget ran dry for parent actors and the contracts on the existing actors does not include these types of events.

        2. Confrontation would also involve a lot of “going off script” and that likely cannot be allowed.

        3. Miggy, you are correct about the parents. As for michelle, she must not read this blog or she would have a contextual understanding of the comments here and wouldn’t mistake our appraisal of halbig for acceptance of robbie parker. her comment was so far out I couldn’t even respond.

        4. I can’t believe no one really showed up at the board meeting – yet here there is just one lone voice chiding the “circus” that had come to town. Where is all of the anger?

          It’s like Newtown is “Stepford” – where is the emotion? If an honest-to-goodness horrible event happened in my town and naysayers came here…the townspeople would be lined up to have at ’em.

      2. I draw the line at chuckling with giraffes, (or Gene). We’re a pretty independent bunch here. It isn’t a team sport. This isn’t the place for people who like to “choose sides”.

        As serious as the implications are, there is still humor in it. If someone wants to poke fun at “Benedict Arnold” (oh, he was the one in the red coat!), so be it. I don’t even see a resemblance to Robbie Parker, he’s much stranger.

      3. Roaches: I read this blog plenty and if YOU were paying attention, you would have noticed that I clearly directed my comment to “those who believe in Sandy Hook.” Do you count yourself as part of that group? If not, then you should not have felt threatened by my comment.

    2. This is patrickchatsamiably using another name? Should that not be forbidden on this blog? I am now not surprised by the shallow remark about Wolf laughing. It was probably about the police encountering us everywhere we went that day. For this guy to convert this into some kind of incriminating evidence against Wolf shows CONCLUSIVELY that he (patrickchatsamiably) is not on the level. Think about it. He takes an innocuous photograph and uses it to trash a man who is seeking truth.

      1. I have never hidden my identity here, Dr. Fetzer, and this most certainly was not my comment. And it bares not resemblance to anything I have said here. In the Wolf threads I remained largely silent; I never piled on to the poor fellow when many others were making sport of him. I wouldn’t start now.

        Why are you so hostile? I have never been acrimonious to you or anyone else in this place, and I have spent lots of time here for more than a year. You could look it up.

        One thing is certain: you do not appreciate being challenged, and when you are, you lash out with emotion, not reason. At least in my case, it appears that you never address the specific points others make in opposition to your premises. It is either we are your loyal followers, or we must be belittled, smeared, and ostracized. That is not a very gentlemanly way to be.

        1. No one who reviews your comments about me and Wolf, which imply that we are out there to make a mockery of Sandy Hook Truthers, is going to find this apologia remotely plausible. You were better off just smearing us, not coming out to claim that was not your intent. I have documented your misconduct a dozen times already. I think it’s time for you to cease and desist, because you are making your roll too obvious.

        2. “Roll”?

          Patrick does not deserve a “cease and desist” demand from a participant. He is exercising his freedom to express his opinions. If he thinks you or Mr. Halbig are “full of beans” it is his right to believe so.

      2. “You were better off just smearing us, not coming out to claim that was not your intent. I have documented your misconduct a dozen times already.”

        Give one example of me “smearing” either one of you.

        Give one (not all “dozen”) times you have “documented it.”

        You calumniate me, and then act as if You are the aggrieved party. I have never said an ill word about you, nor have I ever done so about Wolf. The only reason I am in your petulant crosshairs, so far as I can tell, is that you cannot tolerate being questioned. Well, nuts to that.

        I demand that you apologize for this particular smear, of me. It was baseless. My behavior on this blog is above reproach, and always has been. I have been nothing but dignified and polite to you. Apologize, sir.

        1. Mr. Fetzer has been described by many as being a regular playground bully with a hugely inflated ego…all hat and no cattle but he does have some initials after his name (like that’s hard).

          Sorry that he has attacked you. His comments were offensive and way over the top.

  20. I thought Halbig’s inquisition was as advetised; he was firm and made his posiition clear, Most all those who testified in favor of truth were also
    articulate and believable. All we ask from fhose who lead is that they remain true to the code we honor beween people in whom we trust, be they family or friends. Leadeship requires an even greater depth of personal commitment to ommunity.Your loyalty is to the people; don’t run unless you have internalized that precept.

  21. Halbig, despite whatever qualifications he may or may not have in the working world, is a neophyte in conspiracy land.

    He is getting sucked into the conspir-o-tainment crowd of Rense, Jones, Infowars and that ilk. He may even be a product of these creeps for all I know.

    Halbig may indeed be genuine in his desire to expose Sandy Hook, he may have his heart in the right place, and if that is so, then good on him. Unfortunately, novice researchers who fall in with Jones, Rense, and that crowd rarely make it out the other side. Those guys exist to deflect and sidetrack and most important and above all, to make bank.

    I predict “Wolgang Halbig, American Hero” DVD sets will soon be available at Rense, and that will be the end of Halbig’s Sandy Hook Show.

  22. Reblogged this on Flying Tiger Comics and commented:
    According to the Post, earlier on May 6 several of Halbig’s supporters visited the Danbury offices of the United Way of Western Connecticut to request records of charitable donations collected on behalf of the Sandy Hook community in relation to the December 14 event. Chief Executive Officer Kim Morgan claims to have informed the group that all of the non-profit’s financial documents were available online.

    “I would prefer not to give them a voice in the mainstream media, and to reassure the public that all of our financial documents are online and can be accessed by anyone,” Morgan said.

    ***

    Halbig and co. were as pointless as ever… Money well spent there.

    But the United Way documents- that is th Achilles Heel. That is the way into the money trail.

    Who benefitted?

  23. I love how you’re deciding who’s “too crazy.” News for you – you’re all nuts. Next time, we won’t keep it quiet. We didn’t want a riot of angry people. Next time, we’ll tell everyone, they’ll be pissed, and I can guarantee any loony-toon who spouts abuse will lose some teeth. Joe “compelled by humanity and bible-believing” Miroddi, please please please knock on my door. Please. Oh, and don’t knock on the wrong door – we’re home of the NSSF, and have plenty of gun owners – some who have sons and daughters who still can’t sleep. Me, I’ll use a baseball bat.

    1. Insults and threats of physical violence will not be tolerated on this site. My initial inclination is to suggest that as a Newtown resident you implore your local leadership to address Mr. Halbig’s questions. However, your IP indicates that you are located in New Jersey.

      1. I hope everyone realizes that there is more than one Sandy commenting on here! I read that shocking comment above, and hope no one would think I wrote that! I will try to change to a different name.

      2. No worries Sandy, we knew it was not you. This happened to me on another site and changed my given name to an acronym and defended myself, the despicable ‘Kathy’ never did not return.

        It is astounding how many trolls took over the last Halbig article. Understand there are computer generated programs that search for keywords and attack. Apparently the programmer did not get the word on what is acceptable on this site.

      3. And where does my IP indicate that I am now, super-sleuth? We call them airplanes. Although might be hard to understand for people who live their lives in their basements. Explain to me how we should defend ourselves from people who are constantly poking sticks in our wounds? Do you want us to simply take it? Not gonna happen.

    2. Very droll. Very amusing.

      Dr. Tracy is certainly right to take you at your word, “Sandy,” and advise you that you can’t talk that way around here–but I take you at your OTHER words. Why can’t you people hide your true nature better? You all reveal yourselves eventually, but this might be a record in the quick reveal. I don’t suppose your contract will be renewed after the boss reads this post. What were you thinking? Did you not consider that we would never take you seriously after this nutty rant?

      Newtown IS a spooky place, though (I dealt with this in a comment a few articles back, with reference to the satanic-small-town movie In the Mouth of Madness). Personally, I don’t think your foolish threats of murder-by-gun should scare Joe as much as the satanic/masonic cabal that rules that part of the world. Don’t stumble into the devil’s house like a doofus. It would be a spiritual warfare thing. Better be prepared. It is a rare tool-set that enables a person to knock on occult doors and prevail when the battle is launched; he’d better know he’d got what it takes before taking it on.

      Still, your silly slip-of-the-gears is in fact helpful here, inasmuch as it warns Joe that the forces behind the pageant are not to be trifled with: they chose Newtown for a reason.

      1. Patrick, I can certainly appreciate your response. Believe me, I understand what is going on in Newtown, Ct. Let me be succinct. The last thing I desire is to draw undo attention to myself in any of my posts. I know who I am and what I believe, and on Whom I believe. The passion of my life is the gospel (good news) of Jesus Christ. I am not here to preach, but one who is a believer in Jesus Christ is driven by truth IN ALL THINGS. I recognize by the majority of posts here that people care about the truth concerning Sandy Hook. There is no shame or embarrassment in demanding the truth as it pertains to anything. As I have always maintained, THE TRUTH IS NOT SUBJECT TO OPINION. The truth stands alone and is not a subject to assailants.

        Unless I receive word from the Holy Spirit (which can come in various forms) I will be making a third trip to Sandy Hook this spring/summer. Think of me what you will, but the purpose of this third trip is two-fold. Overarching all is an opportunity to share Christ with those who still live in the deceptions of darkness. Is Sandy Hook Ct. a darker place than most? I don’t know. What I do know is this; that area has agreed to participate in the darkness of evil, whether willingly or not. The only way to confront darkness is with the light of Jesus Christ. Secondarily, the hopeful outcome of my third trip will be to discover someone who is sick of the lies and the foggy nature that permeates all that is Sandy Hook.

        I appreciate all who have commented and are concerned regarding my planned third trip to Sandy Hook, Ct. Your concern for me is overwhelming. I understand that for most a jaunt there would be difficult to say the least. For me it is about a 3 and one half our ride from Pennsylvania. Please understand that I take the concerns and questions of all of you with me.

        I don’t know how this will end up but I am assured of this one thing…Jesus Christ is Lord. I am His bondservant. His name is praised forevermore. I am not afraid of whoever lies in wait, whether in Sandy Hook or anywhere else.

        Thanks to all of you who care for truth, in anything.

      2. Fascinating how many truther/hoaxers/conspiracy buffs are ultra-religious. I suppose the explanation is that people who rely more on faith than facts are more gullible, more susceptible to believing things without proof. You “know” that our town has “agreed to participate in the darkness of evil.” Actually, YOU, sir, are the evil one. I am very hopeful that the people who think so much of themselves and have so much faith in their conspiracy beliefs will eventually discover how wrong and mean and hurtful they were. However, in our experience, evidence means nothing to those who are fully infected with faith in some conspiracy. So that leaves you in the “evil” camp. All I ask, in all seriousness, is to behave as if, possibly, amazingly, you are wrong. Investigate all you want, but please don’t hurt people in the process. Maybe you don’t consider all Truthers to be in the same camp, but we see all of you alike – including the ones calling and abusing families who lost their children, stealing signs from memorial playgrounds, etc., etc. You, sir, are not Jesus. Don’t assume you are all-knowing, either.

        1. “However, in our experience, evidence means nothing to those who are fully infected with faith in some conspiracy”

          What evidence are you referring too? The police report? It would be hilarious if that was what you meant!

          It is the lack of evidence that is the biggest factor to raise suspicion. That has led to the awakening of a whole movement. Many becoming independent investigators, some finding good solid info. Stuff you now can read about on this blog, and see on YT.

          You must be a shill!

        2. Please show us the proof that any children were killed Sandy. It seems you and your ilk are the ones operating on faith.

          As for the sign, it just seemed like I deserved a souvenir from my trip to newtown and since the school was demolished it was either the sign or a chair from the school board meeting.

        3. I agree that the harassment of the families is not the route anyone should take. The harassment of businesses, workers and others that Halbig recommended was abhorrent to me. It also may have foiled his FOIA requests and prospective complaint filing success.

          Because I question the story, doesn’t make me an “evil, overly-devout truther” and I would ever harass anyone . I doubt the 99.9% of the people on this site would advocate that sort of conduct.

          But, questioning what we are “fed” by mainstream media? That has to be done…in so many different facets of the world in which we now live.

          Peace.

      3. Please identify what “proof” would convince you of anything? It’s a fact that eyewitnesses, photos, documents, etc. are ALL ignored by this crowd. Proof that children died? Give me one example of the “proof” that would convince you. You can’t, can you? On the other hand, what is your theory? And do you have any “proof” of your theory? Any eyewitnesses, photos, documents? Of course not. I have thousands of witnesses to these children, these families, our neighbors. You have your YouTubes. I could understand Professor Tracy pointing out flaws in MSM. What I don’t understand is how he accepts flaws in alternative media, questions NOTHING, debunks NOTHING. And it goes back to – conspiracy theorists never try to prove or disprove anything – all they do is raise questions, and have faith that the answers cannot be true. And hurt people in the process of pursuing their hobby.

        1. This is the second time I have had to address your rudeness and unusual behavior. Please refrain from posting further comments. Thank you.

  24. People wonder why Wolfgang went to the school board first. Don’t forget that he was a teacher, coach, and principal for many years. Currently he is a school safety expert so he is very familiar with working
    school boards. You always start on familiar turf first.

    1. If I was a parent is the district, would expect the school board would provide a root cause analysis of what went wrong and the action plan that would prevent a future incident.

      And of course the infamous question of who declared the poor souls dead, which of course will never be revealed as they were not following the law and gross negligence has been demonstrated.

      This is the kind of folks that are running the evil show there.

      http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/05/08/student-group-at-harvard-says-no-consecrated-host-at-black-mass-reenactment/

  25. It has been occuring to me that in all these false flags and follow ups, that the inconsistencies may not be mistakes at all. They may serve two purposes.

    1) To see who is paying attention to what, and to see how wishy washy the proof of an event is before the public says, “Hold on just a minute.”

    2) In the follow-ups they can attempt to discredit the folks who are paying attention by either making a joke of it (with all the funky shenanigans going on at the school board meeting) or by painting them as heartless and cruel and discrediting them (as they have with Professor Tracy).

    Of course the other purpose is to find out who is paying attention, and keeping watch.

  26. Netown is in a state of Phys-ops where as they actually believe overwhelmingly that the event did happen based on the media reports and the State Police debriefing’s. Even thought it dosnt add up these people go on criticizing folks looking for answers. These people are caught in a bad dream that the only way they can get out is to be exposed to the truth and some will still not believe it. Why would our government officials do such a thing?

    There are black operatives pushing this onto the gun agenda and they will (even though all the sloppy details are out and prove the hoax) will keep reinforcing this operation until no question remain and they ware those who want truth down. So there are those who are puppets and those who are puppet-masters. Then come the sheeple who say I saw it in the media it must be true. Be aware at this time a substantial reward is being tossed around for information leading up to the arrest and conviction of SH conspirators. Money talks and the amount proposed by concerned citizen/groups will have them squealing in CT. Stand by for the finale chapter of should we say the beginning of the Truth. I guarantee the amount of money were talking about will help jog the memories of those involved, and then we will see what’s what.

    1. There are also black operatives who are attempting to make those of us who can see look like wacko’s. They even go as far as to intentionally misspell words and dress up as captain kangaroo when in front of a national audience.
      Melbourne, there is a time to play the military card. My brother in law was a coreman in desert storm and got out of the military as fast as he could but there are times that he will still bring it up. He will bring it up when meeting a potential client with military background or giving an important speech to a somewhat unreceptive audience or when being grilled by an opposing attorney when he acts as a professional witness in court. It seems to work for him. You don’t bring it up when you are dressed up like peter pan at a formal function. you will get no respect from military men either if you have let your body go to waste. Well groomed and professional will glean much more respect than the shakes the clown look you seem to enjoy displaying. If you want to run around in your normal life like that -please do(but you don’t do you?). When you are on a public stage representing all of us against our will try to show some self respect.

      1. I don’t think it is necessary to be rude, fish. A lot of people have served in the military of this country and not all of them are “warriors” (thank God). They don’t have to run five miles a day to be respected by other men who also were for one reason or another in the military. The audience is going to be won over by any of the people who oppose Sandy Hook deception. Convincing people who would stay in a place like that – sorry, the good ones have already left. So whatever the reception, this stuff just serves to keep the issue in the news. Then again – the news services themselves are fairly corrupt these days. So – I wouldn’t have gone there, but someone of good will who went there, I wouldn’t get personal and attack. We’re all in different places of our understanding, we’re all still learning.

      2. I have explained this before. We are not dictators. Others came of their own volition. Some of you seem to think you are dictators. We are not. We had our turn to speak. They had theirs. For the amount of publicity our appearance has generated about issues surrounding Sandy Hook, you ought to be applauding our efforts, not looking for ways to fault them.

    2. I believe gun control is an issue — but I think these operations seek to gain trust and control.

  27. According to FBI director Comey, lives at Franklin High were saved by correcting a specific problem encountered at Sandy Hook: failure to assign command to keep the egress routes clear. Dickenson Drive was blocked in very short order. We see no ambulances at the school, not because the scene wasn’t safe enough after shooter down, nor because they were not needed, but because the road was blocked with state police and parent vehicles.

    In addition, there seems to be a startling gap in the first crucial hour when ambulances were not present. Newtown volunteer rigs A2 and A3 left around 10:05 a.m.; the first confirmation from Newtown that backup rigs are inbound is 10:35 a.m., by which time the scene was so gridlocked that the Newtown Fire Department quadrunner couldn’t even be used for patient transport, as had been requested.

      1. yes because some lying crook states a few words to cover up the stageplay and pretend it was real, we need to ignore all of the other evidence that says it was a fake event and pretend it was real and the police “just messed up.” Thank you for your contribution.

      2. @fishandroaches, the point is that NPD and CSP and other responding agencies actually have to answer for the road blockage issue; where that answer will lead is anyone’s guess. But at the very least, they are under some obligation to answer for problems that fit with their own storyline. It doesn’t mean their storyline is accurate, in the end.

      3. No, we don’t have to “reexamine” anything. They would not have made the call in a real event. They would act like they did in a DRILL. No one, and I mean, NO ONE, would simply declare them dead and let them lie there. If they had to carry them out on their backs to the ambulance they would.

        Considering that it was a drill, they didn’t even use kid actors to lie on the triage mats. Part of the purpose of this is to get people used to the idea that a school shooting suddenly becomes a “military operation” and all normative rules associated with injuries don’t apply.

        The simple fact is that whether it was one individual shot on the street or fifty shot in school, there isn’t any fundamental difference with regard to the proper response. This is all part of the modeling such as we saw in the Boston hoax. All of a sudden this isn’t a police operation, it’s a paramilitary operation.

        One true statement is that we have no “proof” (at least in the physical sense), that no one died. What we do have is anecdotal evidence far in excess of that seen in most criminal cases. You don’t need to actually see, or not see, the bodies to know that this was staged.

        We have studied this ad nauseum. There was no “mistake”. If someone now claims it was a mistake I would call that a “limited hangout”.

        Laughing parents, “kids” left lying there into the night, bodies spirited away in the middle of the night……, seriously! So now the cop cars blocked the ambulances and some died as a result? They would have sent those “bodies” to the hospital if they were stiff as a board with pupils fixed and dilated.

        1. Indeed lophatt, adding to that…consider the likely planning conversation for the SHE false flag event.
          “Let’s have child actors with moulage!”
          “Are you kidding, pun intended, that what cost a fortune….and think about post event non-disclosure!….an unacceptable and unnecessary security and logistics risk. Five years from now, we don’t need kids claiming they were traumatized from an acting role”
          “Agreed, no kids in the school, the few kids should be off campus and managed closely”
          “You’re right….the public doesn’t need to see any bodies to be convinced”
          “Ok, beyond the grieving parent actors let’s discuss how to hype the emotional triggers of the dozens of dead kids…suggestions?”

      4. The point is that they will feel no obligation whatsoever to answer the question, “Was it a hoax?” But they are under political (and eventually legal) obligation to answer the questions, “How and when where the roads blocked?” and “Did victims die because the ambulance route was blocked, and/or because there was a gap during which no ambulances were available?”

      5. Eventually, they will have to account for what really happened that day, whatever it was. But calling it a hoax doesn’t apply pressure (no offense intended to those who believe that was the case). Calling them on the carpet to account for obvious and serious problems in the emergency response, however, applies a lot of pressure, as it should. Parents and educators nationwide should be outraged that lifesaving information has been kept from the public. You literally have a team of people online dedicated, it seems, to saying that the response was “perfect” and “no roads were ever blocked” and “there were always plenty of ambulances.” That is simply preposterous. Heaven forbid some school district fails to hear of, and train on, solving the problems the Sandy Hook response faced. Fairfield High is very lucky that somehow, word had gotten to their region that because of Sandy Hook, we now know that “someone must be assigned to keep egress routes clear.” What of other school districts who’ve never heard that critical message? If in fact the road from Sandy Hook school was blocked within minutes, that should have been national headlines for months, and EVERY school district would know about it, and school boards would have the political will to make sure that is trained on, over and over. But it’s hard to get districts to spring for training they don’t know they need. In addition, the Hartford Consensus and Hartford Consensus II has recommended changes in emergency response regarding hemorrhage control–again, referencing Sandy Hook. It is now felt that 1) EMTs should go in much earlier, even when the scene is not completely safe and 2) police must get training in hemorrhage control. Again, the message is clear: Children may have lived at Sandy Hook had they received earlier hemorrhage control.

      6. ” But they are under political (and eventually legal) obligation to answer the questions, “How and when where the roads blocked?” and “Did victims die because the ambulance route was blocked, and/or because there was a gap during which no ambulances were available?””

        Forgive me, zeph, but you are deluded. No such obligation exists, in real life. They will ignore the pressure, if any actually arises, and nothing will happen.

        “Eventually, they will have to account for what really happened that day, whatever it was.”

        No, they won’t. The people behind both Kennedy murders never were brought to justice, even though thousands of books explored these events in exacting detail. Likewise the perpetrators of 911. We know precisely who murdered those children at Waco, and nothing ever happened to them. Ruby Ridge, Oklahoma City. No one is ever held to account. Get used to it.

    1. And this all applies, regardless of whether people died at Sandy Hook. These problems in the emergency response, and the critical need to address them, literally apply whether it was a drill or real. And the pressure to address them neatly circumnavigates all those people saying the emergency response shouldn’t be discussed–both those saying it shouldn’t be discussed because it was perfect, and those saying it shouldn’t be discussed because Sandy Hook was a hoax.

      1. “These problems in the emergency response, and the critical need to address them, literally apply whether it was a drill or real. And the pressure to address them neatly circumnavigates all those people saying the emergency response shouldn’t be discussed–both those saying it shouldn’t be discussed because it was perfect, and those saying it shouldn’t be discussed because Sandy Hook was a hoax.”

        My thoughts exactly! Which is why I’ve been dismayed that the hoax angle has been pushed so hard. We should be pushing the TRUTH angle, no matter where that leads. It seems that hoaxers are constantly telling us to look at certain clues (non-grieving parents) and not other clues (multiple shooters). We can only get to the truth if we question everything without thinking we know the answers.

        1. There’s a misunderstanding here. Of course, we want the truth. But you have to appreciate the difference between confirming an account and falsifying it. In any rigged scenario, there is going to be a lot of what looks like “confirming evidence”. The point, however, is to test the official account, because if any part of it is false, the account as a whole is false–and there are likely to be many fabricated aspects to it, which is precisely what is playing out with Sandy Hook, One part after another is turning to dust before our very eyes, like the Twin Towers on 9/11.

    2. @patrickchatsamiably, it’s certainly possible nothing will be done. But it’s also possible something will be done. Within the past four weeks or so, I’ve noticed a distinct uptick in the number of Sandy Hook moms (Parkers, Poseys, and Gays especially) openly and publicly criticizing the emergency response. No one has mentioned blocked roads yet, but they’ve all mentioned chaotic reunification, including the new information that some children were sent home with the wrong parents. The reunification site being “too close to the school” has been cited within the past year; new from the Parkers, though, is the information that the fire department was not supposed to be the evacuation site. I’d never heard that one before. At any rate, there seems to be a flurry of articles related to the emergency response, including that citing the FBI director and the road blockage issue, so I’m curious what this stems from. Like, why now?

      1. If you think these actors are real parents of a fake child deaths, I won’t bother discussing it with you. But I will address your notion that this false flag (or whatever the term should be) is likely to be exposed and remediated by law. If that happens, it will be a first. Why that should be the case, when the system has grown more corrupt on a logarithmic scale over the last century and a half, is beyond my power of imagination.

        Let us turn out minds back to the “Remember the Maine” event, and then jump to the Lusitania. Ah, the good old days, when the Americans blew up ships and blamed someone else, just to get us into wars of empire.

        Step forward to the decade-long bear-baiting of Japan, culminating in the long desired attack on Pearl Harbor, to get us into yet another war for empire. Next up: the imaginary Tonkin Gulf incident–an event entirely new, a boat that did not even have to be blown up to start a war!

        I mentioned the Kennedy brothers, 911, Waco, OKC, Ruby Ridge, already.

        And Dave McGowan, of late, has been adding a new one (you really need to read the articles): the entirely fraudulent story surrounding the death of the Great American Dictator, Dishonest Abe Lincoln. You will be astonished.

        What is the one thing all these horrors have in common? Tick-tock, tick-tock…BING BING BING!!! Answer: No one has ever been brought to justice, for any of them.

        If you think now will be the first time, I hope your tender heart can handle the truth when it comes crashing down to squish it.

        1. If Benghazi and Sandy Hook were cracked wide open – there would be pure anarchy in the streets. The powers that be will either a) protect it to the end of their very limits and beyond or b) they’ll throw us a few scapegoats and consider the case(s) closed.

      2. Patrick, it’s just a crime. Whoever committed it isn’t an alien–just a flawed human like anyone else. I agree that the amount of power one individual or regime can amass is sobering; but I don’t agree that powerful men can’t be brought down.

      3. Yep, me too, and short of divine intervention, which is appears to be quite complicated and not timely if it exists at all, its up to us imperfect humans to change things. Mr. Fetzer, which is a better response to people who raise questions, silence or skepticism? If you believe in free speech for all, patrickschatsamiiably too has a right to engage in it. But it is understandable that after doing something incredibly gnarly, like actually going to Newtown!!!!, it is difficult to have your motives for doing so questioned.

        1. OF COURSE he has the right to his opinions. But not all opinions are on a par. He has given some very bad arguments and used biased language to promote fallacious arguments.

          He has been suggesting–rather blatantly, I might add–that Wolf and I are complicit in an attempt to fake out the public and discredit the Sandy Hook truth movement, in case you haven’t noticed.

          He has spoken about the “pageant masters” as though our appearance there were scripted to make us look bad. That is absurd, but that is his line about it. This is rubbish. He has been playing you for saps.

          He is a nice example of a “knows everything” of the kind I haven’t met since my undergraduate days at Princeton. He is an intellectual bully who has been attempting to undermine our efforts to reveal truths.

          I am here and no so easy to push around. I am calling him and some of his allies for their abuses of language and logic. We can’t get all of this straight on the basis of muddled language and bad arguments.

      4. “He has given some very bad arguments”

        Name one.

        “and used biased language”

        Give one example.

        “to promote fallacious arguments.”

        Quote me once doing that.

        “He has been suggesting–rather blatantly, I might add–that Wolf and I are complicit in an attempt to fake out the public and discredit the Sandy Hook truth movement, in case you haven’t noticed.”

        This is a bald-faced lie. I have repeatedly stated precisely the opposite, from the start. I keep saying that you played into the pageant-masters’ hands; they knew you were coming, because you told them so, months ago, and they set you up. You fell into their trap, and now you act proud of it. That is the point I have been making, and that you keep reversing, in a vile calumny. I demand an apology.

        “He has spoken about the “pageant masters” as though our appearance there were scripted to make us look bad.”

        This is an inexcusable misunderstanding (that’s a kind characterization) of what I mean by the term. Anyone who has been around here a while knows what I mean: the play was written by unknown entities, who, some of us here believe, consider it an ongoing experiment in social engineering. I have never said that you are in league with them; I have said that you stumbled into the ongoing production, and they opportunistically used you to add a new act to the ongoing play. You don’t want to consider that possibility, and I really don’t care what you want. If my theory is incorrect, you have made no attempt to demonstrate that. How about starting now?

        “That is absurd, but that is his line about it. This is rubbish. He has been playing you for saps.”

        “I doubt the people who have read me here for many months would agree with you that I am a man of low integrity.

        He is a nice example of a “knows everything” of the kind I haven’t met since my undergraduate days at Princeton. He is an intellectual bully who has been attempting to undermine our efforts to reveal truths.”

        I believe this is what is called “ad hominem” argumentation. I believe that you cut and pasted the definition out of the online dictionary, in fact, it is so perfect an example.

        “I am here and no so easy to push around. I am calling him and some of his allies for their abuses of language and logic.”

        You keep saying this, but never provide a concrete example of such abuse. You bluster, staggering back and forth, playing the tough guy defending himself, but never actually address what I say.

        ” We can’t get all of this straight on the basis of muddled language and bad arguments.”

        My point exactly.

      5. My personal theory about these little operations is “control” by Big Brother/the Matrix. This event (and others) are a prime opportunity to convince the public that the violation of their privacy at various levels (particularly in public places) is in the public’s best interest…to keep them safe. Analysis of all that went “wrong” is a prime opportunity to make changes to the system.

        Case in point – Michelle Gay, mom of Josephine, a SHook victim. See the recent story about her involvement in getting the school district in her area (multi-schools) + the library + the town hall (and who knows where else in terms of public places) under video surveillance.
        http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/04/24/mother-sandy-hook-victim-spurs-new-security-sudbury-schools/RjcWZTlAVxL75utZKtlDQO/story.html

        Here is the company engaged for the task in that particular area. A privately owned company. They donated the first $20k worth of equipment. I’d be willing to bet you a cup of java they have a DHS contract or two. http://www.laureninnovations.com/Emergency-Management/Default.aspx

        Says on their site: “Based on its proven effectiveness, NaviGate is SAFETY Act designated by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. Lauren Innovations is also a founding partner of the National Center for Spectator Sports Safety and Security (NCS4) at the University of Southern Mississippi.”

        Here’s a pressure from Jan — 21 schools in Ohio, too. Now Massachusetts, and surely more states to follow Good money for them, I’m sure.
        http://www.laureninnovations.com/Media/NewsDetail.aspx?id=49

        Now, as the Mom of a first responder I’m all for keeping our emergency workers safe and seeing where a shooter or ? is inside of a building is a great tool — but wonder how far this surveillance in public buildings is going to be taken. Big Brother will then start listening to us as well, I suppose.

      6. Beth,

        I always suspected that the alleged lack of adequate video equipment at SHS was a nice little trap.

        Everyone’s upset that there is no video recorded? Well, we’ll fix that! Video cameras everywhere! Let’s record everything!

        Except for the next time they want to keep a secret and someone forgets to press record…

        1. Maestro – you nailed it there, I think.

          We are heading into a society where we will be watched and then listened to…unless, as you said, it suits their purposes to destroy the video/audio.

          I find the prospect of mass surveillance terrifying. That will surely turn into mass tracking. Well, I know I won’t comply when it comes time to get in line for that microchip.

        2. They don’t even have to destroy the video. Just confiscate it, lock it away, and tell everyone its all good. Kind of the like those 911 Pentagon videos.

        3. True, true.

          Did you happen to catch the folks in AZ who tried to arrest their Chief of Police (I believe)? I just quickly saw the headline and will get to it when I can (we had construction folks cut our internet & phone 2x now in three days…playing catch-up). I had to smile when I saw the headline – glad some people are getting out from behind the boob tube and such…these types of events may be the sparks to set thing afire…maybe 🙂

      7. Beth – “an analysis of all that went wrong” provides the excuse for more surveillance. Obviously, the launch of the whole thing seems to have been 9/11. It comes through loud and clear in the new book by Glenn Greenwald- that NSA may justify all its surveillance by this need for security, with no regard for constitutional protections. Others see new electronics in automobiles in much the same way – somewhere the data from GPS is being collected with potential consequences “down the road” if someone has speeded even once, on a highway whose limits are defined and which the monitor shows. In other words, your vehicle is a potential tattle-tale – but again this is said to be about safety in case you have an accident out in the boondocks. The lack of voluntariness is the key.

        The one thing I rather resent about people “in the know” (such as Greenwald), is that they never choose to pursue “conspiracy theories” for the benefit of that mass of people who might rise up in revolt if they knew the real deal. Thus, they labor against the fears which were generated by the very authorities (using the latest technology to secure power) who promised protection and yet never seem to deliver it (though they claim they have foiled plots). It’s clear that someone like Greenwald cannot possibly believe in the official story of 9/11, if only because it was such a boon to the agencies which now intercept all communication under broad interpretations of the USA Patriot Act (an act passed under threat of anthrax on the Congress, with a notable journalist death as a cautionary tale). Some of us saw it whole, but so many others did not see the unified attack on civil liberties for what it was. They were still reeling from the shock and awe, and clearly they have not recovered if they can credit the lies of the BMB and Sandy Hook and so many other events.

        Even in last night’s Frontline report on the NSA whistleblowers, it became clear that the US government spun some probable long-term struggle in Spain by separatists for an al-Qaeda train bombing. It happened so conveniently that it was either a Gladio-type event or indeed yet another in a long string of ETA attacks (or tThatcheresque attacks a la the IRA). It gave the American public the impression that the West was under concerted attack by Muslims, when it clearly wasn’t.

        I suppose that if the public which reads Greenwald can absorb these messages – that a major power grab in the works for years was justified by 9/11 – then perhaps the cause of that event will be seen for what it was.

        If indeed the majority continue to accept it as true and the government as our protector, entitled to know everything about us, then a minority will need to launch a revolt – with the expected bloodshed and falsehoods inevitably following, include perhaps a reign of terror upon the innocent, including minorities like the Jews.

        1. – with the expected bloodshed and falsehoods inevitably following, include perhaps a reign of terror upon the innocent, including minorities like the Jews.

          Muse, this may be kind of out there, but I think they might be setting the gays up for that reign of terror this time. What I think you are saying is that a revolt would be perfect cover for fake partisan hit squads(contractors) to go out and perform a bloody smear campaign against a rebellion. Or are you saying a real rebellion would institute its own reign of terror? I personally would hope that any revolution in this country would be comprised of people too smart to go after the dupes. However, dupes will be dupes, and usually are trained very well at providing cover for their masters.

        2. Thank you for such an interesting post. Indeed…and all the while, they are stealing liberty one step/event at a time.

      8. Rich – as we know from history, especially in areas of relatively large and even diverse populations, a revolution once started develops a life of its own – or at least the French and Soviet ones did so. The American one was tame by comparison. Even if something might be done to discredit a revolution, there are still going to be all sorts of people with what they imagine to be scores to settle under cover of its smoke. So I could imagine that even if there are those who understand perfectly well that 9/11 was a hoax, they are not willing to stand with others who have been saying that all along. They prefer to branch out somewhere else. But as we know, the extreme behavior of the NSA, the ignoring of the constitutional rights of droned Americans, would not be possible without a shocking and terrible enabling event.

        1. Musings, You hit right on the head the part that worries me most. Scores to settle… both large and small, Bleeding Kansas type scenarios. Our high tech society is too fragile to weather any serious breakdown, too many people living on top of each other,t not enough consensus on anything.

  28. Their story line will be, ”nobody could be saved.”.. but that doesn’t excuse the fact they didn’t have a Dr state this at the time .. isn’t this the law? I think they underestimated the viewers judgement, and that’s how we saw it on TV, sold as a drama, to get to your heart.. Well too many mistakes, robotic parents, and a fairy tale school, in my mind the interviews after the event were astonishingly bad… anyone with a bit of common sense could see through them I still think ‘ follow the money.’
    This is bigger than I ever thought possible. every post I read gives me more insight into this tangled mess..Its just not USA, people all over the world want answers.

  29. In VT Today on May 5th professor James Fetzer posted an article titled “Newtown School Board, The Newtown Bee complicit in the Sandy Hook hoax.” A person by the name of Spencer Kinsey replied, stating that he had two children in SHES on 12/14/12, both escaped unharmed.

    Checking on Mr. Kinsey I found the following:
    Spencer Kinsey Age: 40-44
    Phone number
    • 203-364-9685
    Address
    • 6 Quail Hollow Ln Sandy Hook, CT 06482-1284

    From Assessors Online Database:
    Ownership History
    Owner Name Book/Page Sale Date Sale Price
    KINSEY P SPENCER & KRISTEN R 0919/0477 12/24/2007 642,000
    G L T RESIDENTIAL LLC 0879/0631 5/26/2006 1,080,000
    D & H HOMES LLC 0879/0629 5/26/2006 0

    Mr. Kinsey’s phone number above was also listed in an article written by Paul Joseph Watson at Infowars.com on Dec. 13, 2013:

    http://www.infowars.com/man-claims-harassment-from-telemarketers-after-signing-up-for-obamacare/

    Excerpt:

    “1-203-364-9685 – Newtown, CT – recording asking if FBI can put a sign in your yard, in return they give free home security system.”

    For some reason my comments would not post, so I stopped a while back. Hopefully this one will come through.

    1. This is very interesting Anne B. I’m guessing he is a sock puppet of some kind ? Being used by infowars is telling.

      1. Why are so many so eager to display their ignorance? I am a journalist for Veterans Today. I have a dozen articles about Sandy Hook there, including this one, which are sometimes widely republished, even here on memoryholeblog.com It was not written for InfoWars, just as they were not written for memoryholeblog.com. Give this the least thought.

      2. Not you Jim!! The guy Anne was talking about who commented on your article. Pay attention! ; )

        1. Susan, Thanks for the clarification. I really don’t understand why patrick seems to think he has not been abusive. pbutterfly2000 put it perfectly:

          pbutterfly2000 says:
          MAY 12, 2014 AT 7:14 PM
          It’s not that someone was trying to pick apart portions of Mr. Fetzer’s presentation. It’s that people were openly accusing Fetzer of planning who would speak and setting up his presentation to fail, and he set the record straight by saying that this was not so. Why would you “implore” him not to defend himself against lies and character smears? How is defending yourself against lies about your motives “taking it personally?” How is defending oneself a “premise” that others can disagree with?

          I would have posted this as a reply but I could not find the button. So I am adding it here. I appreciate your and many other comments here.

      3. She didn’t put it perfectly, Dr. Fetzer; if she was talking about ME, she was displaying an abysmal lack of reading comprehension ability. To say I “openly [was] accusing Fetzer of planning who would speak and setting up his presentation to fail” is to completely misunderstand part of what I wrote, and to simply make up stuff I did not write.

        In the comment in question, I pointed out that the questions you raised, and that Wolf raised, were good ones, but that the pageant-masters would used them against us, if they ever need to address them, by “debunking” them. I said that all the additional circus attractions at the meeting detracted from the seriousness that you represented. I never said you brought them there, and am disgusted that you keep insisting I did say that. If this is the way you taught logic and critical thinking, God help your unfortunate victims.

        There is no need, as I keep repeating, for you to have been in league with the pageant-masters for them to get the exact result they wanted from your unfortunate trip to Newtown. For them it’s even better if you and Wolf did not anticipate it, in fact; you look naive. You played into their hands on more than one level.

        Now, remember, I was responding to the question WHY CHOOSE THE SCHOOL BOARD?, posed by another commenter. It was my speculation that it had to do with the creation of a controlled opposition, that Wolf would be representative of, that would serve to divide the investigative efforts at uncovering the truth about Sandy Hook. Wolf need not know he was being used that way; in fact, it makes it a lot better if he has no idea. I don’t get the impression he’s very bright, anyway. The fact that he’s clueless, and bumbling, and semi-illiterate, makes him the perfect foil. The fact that you strenuously support his effort makes the whole thing look legitimate. Perfect. The pageant-masters certainly were searching for a way to create a controlled opposition, to divide us; then Wolf told the world that he was going to the school board meeting. BINGO! They had their plan. Then you threw in with Wolf, and did everything you could to publicize it in the alternative media, and they knew they had a winner. “Betty, get Cap’n Crunch on the horn, and dig up that Alex Jones rambler…oh, and whatever unhinged mental patient we’re using these days.” The script writes itself.

        Finally, judging by the strange intensity surrounding this theory, it seems to be exactly as I speculated. Everyone is supposed to get on board with WOLF IS THE REAL DEAL!, or they are enemies of the investigation. Just as the pageant-masters would want. That you can’t see it is even better, from their point of view, than if you were secretly in league with them: your volatile, emotional, thrashing about makes you look ridiculous; if you were an insider, you’d have to fake your dudgeon, and it wouldn’t play as well.

        As for me, The Wolf story was boring from the beginning, and it’s more boring now, even though I have become the object of your viciousness. I don’t think he can do a single thing to help this process, only hurt it, which is a shame. Too late now.

        As for those apologies I have demanded…. You have lied about me. I have patiently corrected you each time. Your character is being tested, my dear professor.

        1. Patrick, you’ve done a good job pinpointing an excellent theory about this Halbig-crazy train…I just wasn’t getting why people so were so rapid over him. Fetzer and the like seem to be in a need of a choke-collar. Geez! Since when were opinions outlawed on this blog….since, NEVER! Fixed it for you train followers.

      1. Hi all, my postings would vanish in cyber space so I decided to take a break. This is what we used to do here, connect the dots, and those dots can be found in so many places. The posting I made had to do with a dot, a Newtown phone number and name. It just so happened to be found connected to a Sandy Hook reader who made a comment on VT and also in an article on Infowars mentioning FBI in connection to this same number. That’s all.

        The interesting person here is the man behind the phone number and what his role might be. Anyone can enter a phone number, a name or an address in a search engine and discover plenty of connections to the Sandy Hook event. It means no disrespect to the sites where the information is found, rather the opposite.

      2. You are one of the ones I think of when I argue that the completely decentralized way of doing things is the correct path. I did not weigh in, or bother to encourage you, even, which I should have done, because the detail work you were doing was outside my ability to contribute anything to. But I was always amazed at the effort you put in (Beth, too). A few times I mentioned our “Nancy Drews”; you were one of them. Enthusiastic researchers, thrilled by the chase, completely outside officialdom. Blis, you felt even when not sleeping, because the chase was on!

        (Incidentally, I, too, have, a few times, had WordPress inexplicably evaporate postings here. Even after I created my own WordPress blog–that’s why my handle changed; they wouldn’t allow me to use “Patrick”–this happened. I AM INSIDE THE CLUB, for Heaven’s sake, and WordPress ate my message. Argggghhh!!!)

        Oh, well.

        Anyway, blessings to you. Your work here was noticed and appreciated all along by those of us outside your field of expertise, and it is part of the large pool of knowledge about this horrible episode that would not otherwise be known or understood. And think of this: maybe some of the things you have uncovered are things that would not be possible to find out in the future? (You too, Beth. And Violetta, wherever she has gone. Others, too).

        1. Feel the same with regard to you, Patrick and the good crew of researchers who aren’t afraid to question the truth, even if one must step on a few toes (egos) once in a while.

          We are not about ego – we have tireless picked at this event – because it is a splinter in our brain that won’t go away. We’ll probably all end up in the same FEMA camp together someday (if they think we can be re-programmed…unlikely).

      3. Thanks Patrick and Lophatt. I won’t be back for long though for obvious reasons. I have better things to do than justify legit research to a certain individual. She is all yours. I am in the process of moving north to the foothills of the beautiful Sierra Nevada Mountains and away from Santa Monica, an Agenda 21 city to the fullest.

        A last bit of info from Nancy Drew – I used to work in the building now occupied by United Way at 85 West Street in Danbury. Originally it was a stately manor house and later turned into offices, but still displaying beautiful woodwork and copper railings. United Way, in the business of collecting donations, actually was donated this building by the former owner and my former employer.

        http://www.danburylions.org/NEWSLETTER/Jottings_84/Jottings%2084-08.pdf

        “The United Way is located at 85 West Street in a building donated by one of our own, Lion Tom Nolan.”

        1. Anne B, Here’s to a safe and successful move to your beautiful new location. Please, please come back and visit us. We need you.

          Every so often the gene pool around here could use some extra-strength chlorine. But, we’ll always go to bat for you. Get settled in your new place first…then visit your ol’ pals here at the conspiracy pool.

          Interesting about the United Way donation. They do gather assets, huh?
          Amazing!

    2. Turns out Patrick’s Nancy Drew is quite good at making up mysteries. Hate to break it to you, but we all need to pay more careful attention.

      “A person by the name of Spencer Kinsey replied” to the May 5th VT article, he is not there now, but who really cares who comments or has trust in the names they are using are actual persons?

      We then have info on said commenter’s phone number, address and tax records, of which are mysteriously in the road on google with no building. Oh that’s right, it is not a mystery, the SH criminals can make houses evaporate into the street.

      “Mr. Kinsey’s phone number above was also listed in an article written by Paul Joseph Watson at Infowars.com on Dec. 13, 2013” about Obamacare fraud.

      ““1-203-364-9685 – Newtown, CT – recording asking if FBI can put a sign in your yard, in return they give free home security system.”

      1. I see Kathy has her knitting needles sharpened again. I should have known that this grown woman still holds a grudge against me for childish reasons and that she gripes about everything I post. I should have had the common sense to copy the comment from the Sandy Hook dad of two who claimed his two children attended SHES on that day. Obviously Mr. Kinsey has the right contacts to get his comment removed if it’s no longer there. Thanks Kathy for bringing me this information. I will make sure not to upset you in the future as my comments here will be very limited, if at all. Peace.

        1. Ms. Anne B – don’t you leave us again.

          The intelligent and normal need you.

          Ignore the shrewish poster, please. We all have to learn to observe her comments, snicker and delete.

      2. Beth
        You got me curious about what a parent of SH children would have to offer. Aside from the paid actors, we never hear from anyone besides people who have friends of friends with knowledge.

        The link to an infowars story about obamacare fraud just seemed like a negative distraction to me.

        I have gotten frustrated when logging on this site to see one or two folks are the most recent commenters and they seem to be chatting about distractions.

        Happy travels!

        1. Another annoying post that makes little sense – but just offers an attack on another poster (or two or three). Yawn.

        2. Bravo Fishandroaches!
          It would be a first for that one. I won’t hold my breath, however.

  30. Dr. Fetzer – Thank you for approaching the school board. Think it is quite brazen of commenters to declare they would of approached it differently, well hello! nothing is stopping you.

    One point that I believe salient is that the AP went to court and demanded the 911 calls be released, the judge finally concurred.

    The 911 team of two, received national awards for answering hundreds of calls per hour.

    Only five callers were released and it appears they kept hanging up on the eye witness janitor.

    Wouldn’t that Judge like to know, his court order was disobeyed?

    ‘Oh you are shot in the foot and there are two other adults [unharmed] in the room? Yes. Keep pressure on it alright? Alrighty. OK bye bye, BYE BYE”

      1. Kathy,

        They do not list Newtown High School –if you click on the complete list of Newtown schools under high school, it lists Garner Correctional Institute school. Hm. Maybe they recruited some local talent for a ticket out of the pokey.

      2. Sorry meant to reply to Sandy good find-I’ve been to city data lots of times but never noticed the list, and yes it looks like somebody tried to add SH elementary 2 times and so far no update. I bet you can find mention of the closing of the school in an old newspaper article like John Luv mentioned.

      3. Susan and Sandy – You got me looking at the Newtown HS website and it is very strange indeed. There is final testing up to and including the day of graduation, that never worked when I was in school!

        Their sports links are bizarre, highlighting dance and ice hockey, when you click on the links there are only pictures, no words.

        Other sports links bring you to Boston college, it is all very strange indeed.

        {The HS was also trying to get added to city data]

        http://newtown.nhs.schooldesk.net/Home/tabid/2337/ctl/view/itemid/58081/Default.aspx?returnurl=http://newtown.nhs.schooldesk.net/Home/tabid/2337/Default.aspx

  31. Once again, using the courts, school boards, and media of the matrix will never expose, or hold anyone accountable. We would have better luck pooling our money and bringing our case to a mafia Don. The kind of guy who can get things done. After laying out our dilemma he may ask: “what’s in it for you?” To which we will proudly answer “truth and justice”. To which he would most likely say: “what the hell would you want that for?” We would most likely reply “to live in freedom and to have liberty”

    When he got done laughing he would say: “nothin’s free, especially when you deal with me. Now take your money and don’t come back here no more”

    1. Larry, isn’t that exactly what we were saying they were going to print about Operation Cretin Storm? Did you just want help with the comments section or have you taken some of our criticisms to heart?

  32. When you co-hort with criminals, you are considered a criminal. The same is true for trolls who have turned the conversation away from the Sandy Hook criminals, to attacking those trying to expose it.

    It is time to take a chill pill, you are playing into their hands and they are still laughing all the way to the bank.

    If this is such a bad plan, let’s hear your constructive ideas, or ask that your thesis be displayed as an article. Be prepared to have your family’s history being put on public display, if you take any action and probably audits. Perhaps it just may be the keyword ‘Halbig’ that brings the computer generated androids out.

    As Dr. Tracy has more than once asked us to give respect to presenters and commenters, please leave your egos out of this conversation. Try to imagine how he feels, after all he has risked, you attackers appear to of been on the other side all along.

  33. Somebody, Somewhere, seems to want ”in house fighting” to happen within groups wanting to find the truth about ” events”… I’ve noticed this.. As Kathy says.. Respect is what is needed., and eventually the ” other side” who ever they are.. won’t win.. and the Truth will come.

  34. Within the past couple of days, I have noticed a sharp uptick in venomous “official story supporter” comments on SH stories all over the web. My own postings are getting floods of negative responses – all demonizing me in the most vile terms. Several of my comments have vanished altogether. I have followed a number of links to recent SH Hoax stories that lead nowhere.

    I get the feeling that shills are redoubling their efforts to shut this story down, because it has gotten too hot. Perhaps it’s time to recognize that we have exposed this thing for what it is… and step back, before more lives and careers are targeted for destruction.

    1. Sandy, yes. I’ve noticed that as well. I ran across one today that was totally made up about some “doubter” calling a parent of a murdered child and insulting them.

      It’s important to try to understand what is happening here. Many of us have carefully worked our ways to the positions we now have over time. We were not reckless about this. I think I can say with confidence that many of us would change our opinions if something convincing came along that caused that.

      This is not a contest. I have said that the drill isn’t over yet. I really believe that. At least some of what we’re seeing is part of that.

      Sophia Smallstorm mentioned “modeling” in her video. I think that’s an important concept. By “modeling” they express the “proper” responses for good, obedient citizens to perform on cue.

      There was a more or less logical train of thought here for some time. That got derailed a bit with all the talk of “legal action”, white knights on horses, etc., and some of us bursting the bubble. Believe me, I didn’t set out to be a bubble burster. I’m afraid I just report what I see, not what fantasies I’d like to come true.

      There is another theme in this that sort of runs: “we’ve got ’em on the run. Any day now the thing will crash and they are terrified”. No they’re not. Why would they be? Who is going to do something?

      No, the limited hangouts and other story bending pieces are all part of the continuing drill. What happens when we start to chase after those is that we forget where we came in, I’m referring to the careful consideration we gave the elements of the tale that brought us here.

      As an example, we didn’t come to believe that the kids weren’t killed because the ambulances were backed up. We mentioned that no one would do that, but we didn’t say “yeah, they died and now they’re ashamed to admit it”. That’s a ruse.

      These red herrings are appearing, not because anyone is “frightened”, they are appearing to see if their skill at controlling the dialog and disrupting logic are up to the task. Someone is checking the scorecard for the drill as we argue about details.

      The frustration can get pretty high. I for one, don’t always know if someone is just new to the material or they really have some of the tortured beliefs they express. I don’t know if they are for real or just agents or “players”.

      There are many details to discuss. Most of them would not change the overall position, however. On a positive note, I have noticed over the years that when something really starts to make progress this often happens. If it continues unabated you can rest assured that it is a deliberate attack and designed to stifle discussion.

      I’ll consider anyone’s opinion if it is based on some logic. There are elements of this that, at least in my book, are pretty hard to argue with. None of those are based on “who” said them. They are based on what was said and why.

      Like so many here say and as Patrick tried to explain earlier, “if you don’t agree with me, tell me why (to paraphrase), don’t just attack me personally”. Nothing you could say about me personally does anything to my argument.

      So, yes, respect is important. Everyone is free to believe whatever they wish. It does not provide license to attack others who do not share those opinions.

      So, whether its this board, or any other for that matter, the idea is not to “team up” and try to make one idea the only accepted opinion and chase all naysayers away. Those who can’t bring themselves to believe what they are reading can leave of their own volition. If they become disruptive, that’s another story.

    2. Interesting. Can you share a few that were particularly active? I’d like to try my hand at some troll fishing. I’d be most appreciative.

  35. This is captain crunch checking in. The names Melbourne Sann from Rome NY. I dress in a colonial attire because my superman costume is in the dry cleaners. LOL I dress in colonial attire to try and draw attention to the fact that our forefathers (who dressed as such) would be rolling-over in their graves as to where this country is at this very moment. I also represent the Militia of America.

    At first glance of the Newtown School board meeting I was disappointed as well. However when you review it again and again we all had our comments regarding the agenda of this country , The basic Sandy Hook questions, phys ops, mental health, internet information available, the hidden agenda of this country, the lack of evidence of a mass killer/victims the fact that others will probably start to come forth, and the important fact that people involved of the conspiracy will be held accountable for their actions/in-actions in the end. So we are looking for the truth, the lies. This blatant assault on the intelligence of this great country citizen to be seen as a sheep who would believe the sloppiness of this Hoax is a the real tragedy. We in fact put the town and the puppet masters “on notice”.

    There is no Columbine conspiracy. That really happened and Wolfgang was involved on that true tragedy and understands how to pick them apart. We have hired an Attorney in Hartford Ct who hopefully cannot be bought. We are filing formal request under the freedom of information act with the school board as well as the state police and the united way. So there’s more to come. We will present our case and hold their feet to the fire.

    What we were doing at the board meeting was a overall scope of Sandy Hook, knowing these member we ordered to keep silent. There was a two way glass to the right where the puppet masters were sitting. Wolfgang was threatened in the bathroom moments before his comments by a 6’5″ bald guy. I was threatened by the codes guys ( 1) when I was puting out my 16 questions on the lawn (individual signs) as the codes gut read the questions and started riping out my signs with two police officers present. (2)The Another code guys came by and stated I could not push around My life size effigy and protest with my first amendment rights. After going round and round and told I could only have one sign and it had to be carried.

    Finally as I stood off to the side of the main walkway (by myself) I was repeatedly harassed by the main codes guy (the one in Wolfgangs video) if the bottom of my protest sign touched the ground,”Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive”. He sat with a police officer outdide the town office and hawked me for hours. I had to balance it on my foot while standing their for three hours until Wolfgang showed up with the Carvery. I personally was waiting for folks like you all to arrive so I could hand each one of you a sign and we could speak with a larger voice. I have one video wich I will get up but missed the big opportunity when the first codes guy was ripping up my signs out of the ground and spouting “Just go home”. I was without a camera guy and had not done many video’s, had my hands full of props and forgot to push record on my smart phone that time, I also had a round and round with the local police regarding 1st amendment zones , littering with my signs , that I need a permit to protest, and that I had to pack up my gig, as the codes guy is ripping up my property and they were blowing across the parking lot in the strong wind, as I went chasing trying to avoid a littering ticket or worse… jail. I never lost my composure as I asked the law enforcement officers if they remember the oath of office the took and the importance of the US Constitution.

    I came dressed in a (Captain Crunch outfit) to draw attention to our cause which is a concern for our US Constitution. The price our forefathers paid and the thought they must have put into the founding of this great country.

    So this was not my first protest. See here ..2nd Amendment Albany NY Rally April 1St 20014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo47wKLeWX0 . Or my second see here Conn children ask for the truth about Sandy Hook! https://www.youtube.com /watch?v=C5RdDwI2QQ0. Don’t worry I have the best civil rights attorney out of Buffalo NY The Tresmond Law firm who has agreed to represent me . So we will make them pay for the “first gun confiscation in NY” (a wooden cutout) and theInfringements on our/my right to free speech. True I travel with a dummy and he gets spanked…but that is whats going to happen to these two Governors (Cuomo and Malloy) in Nov if our elections have not in fact been compromised. I’ve also marched/protested three times in Albany and then on DC when the Goberment shutdown the WWL memorials where I personally tossed the barriers on the back gates of the White House along with my former military and concerned citizens where we sang the Buffalo Springfield “stop children whats that sound, everybody looks what going down” song. I’ll always remember that moment as will the police officers watching us.

    I could have used some help at all the rally’s, as I always seem to head out their alone, (always seems to be a workday) everyone has an excuse, even my kids. So when you write regarding my attire think of your founding fathers the 3% (founding father’s) who won these liberty’s you freely enjoy. Think of how those liberty’s are slipping away in the order they were written the first and the second amendments…free speech and right to bear arms.

    Newtown was a different animal and more of a bitch session all one sided. We needed to get the hoax back up on the table of open discussion and not let it get “slid under the rug.” True it could of went better, so after a second review I think you/they’ll have got the message. In the protest word there is no such thing a bad press, as it it nearly impossible to get any MSM to run a story in the main media you try to spin it into a message of sorts. The MSM always send out the young reporters and we do a story or film and when they get back to the station the editor tell the naive reporters thanks but no thanks when it comes to airing the story. This is something I know first hand ….many times. So it a up hill battle but George Washington had it worse. So I keep that in mind that freedom of speech most definatly applies to the media. Where are the Journalist. Try to not kick the teeth in on those who are actually trying to make a difference and the best way to help the sheeple “is not to be one of them” I’m here to wake you up and invite you to join me at the next circus where there ares sure to have “the clowns”

    Melbourne served in the 10th Mountain Division( Infantry), and then as a helicopter pilot in Germany with the 4/11 Air Calvary regiment (during first gulf war). After which time he Graduated from SUNY Institute of Technology (telecommunications)at the top 3 percent of his class. He has owned a restaurant where he pioneered two inventions regarding rapid food thawing and another US patent, food steamer. As a entrepreneur he has two business with his wife, raises standard poodles, as well as 5 kids of his own.

      1. I hope not.

        Every so often (like once a year), I’d engage in a bowl of that crunchy nastiness – the one with the berries. It made my kids laugh (they hate it)- good for a sugar buzz, that’s about all — that stuff will tear up the inside of your mouth.

        I don’t think I’ll be able to look at another bowl. Well, he’s got moxy, I guess. I’ll give him that.

      2. Rich, probably so. it sounds like the same person that writes halbig’s bio writes comments for melbourne. if it was a real person you would think he would remember that he already posted that message. this is getting interesting.

    1. You can always count on these kinds of articles or made up incidents occurring whenever we make headway. It is also a great way to tell that we are on track. It is an extension of all the bomb threats and such that occurred just after the incident, none of these have turned up a suspect, just as these vandalism incidents will never go any further. This stolen sign story has gotten major play and serves to make anyone who looks into this look heartless.

      1. I guess.

        Big chuckle: What an incredible “stretch” to link non-believers to someone spray painting a peace sign and a “2” on a sign. Uh, maybe some naughty kids perhaps? I’m pretty sure if it was someone with a message, they would’ve actually written one. Idiots.

    2. Yes, just like clockwork. I find it interesting that “belief” is now obligatory. I guess we can trust “their” judgement, after all, they’re “professionals”.

      The job of these gate keeper sites is to keep the “kool kidz” glued to the myth of party politics. Anything beyond “left” vs “right” is clearly too “radical” to be taken seriously. Of course anything within it is not going to affect a change.

      The terms “left” and “right” are apropos as it describes the programmed reflexes of those stuck in this nonsense. When something comes up they look “left”, then “right” to see what the other “kool kidz” say before offering an opinion. Belonging is very important to them. Independent thought is not.

      1. Thats a good summation, what they do is so obtuse it is hard to nail down exactly what their tactic is but i think it goes back to the university culture that tracy has come up against where the “cool kids” meme runs into concrete sanctions like denial of tenure or just being shut out in myriad ways. They love patting eachother on the back and not challenging the groupthink. It breeds a weakness of mind.

      2. Yes, Larry and Beth, thanks. I’ve talked this to death and I’m very disappointed to see myself proven right lately.

        We currently have the “credentials” issue that I spoke of some time back, coupled with the “leadership” obsession. Add to that the “we must DO something” meme. And, let us not forget, “I’m right and you’re stupid”, is looming large as well.

        The one I didn’t mention, although it plays large in a recent article I read this morning, is the “categorical statement”. Ironically, those who worry so much about “credibility” seem only too anxious to make sweeping conclusions from incomplete evidence and use those to hinge their entire arguments.

        All of this relates to the overly simple notion that we have to “pick sides” in any discussion. There can only be two (just like in sports), and “you are with us or against us”.

        Many of us here have spent countless hours researching this thing. Now, it appears, all that was for naught as it either belongs to someone else or can be dismissed as pointless if it isn’t useful to the “campaign”.

        Frankly, doing something that is bound to fail is not particularly bright. We have a lot of anecdotal evidence and I currently believe many of the elements of this event happened as we’ve discussed. When one uses categorical statements they are then committed to what they’ve said regardless of developments. That doesn’t mean that a development would change the overall nature of the thing, it means it could destroy the bulk of evidence because of poor judgement.

        I guess I’m rambling. It is disturbing to see all the thought wasted in breathless eagerness and nasty invective. It isn’t surprising, it is, nonetheless, disappointing.

        1. I had a flash in my brain that years from now a real investigation might open up…similar to the Benghazi “investigation”. Some gubbermint official will be on the news saying to a host, “Dude, it (SHook) was like two years ago….” and testimony starting with “What difference does it….”

          I believe the only way to get the real truth will be when one or a few of the participants “breaks”. Maybe they’ll be put down before that happens or branded a loon. It will be interesting if in a few years we start seeing a strange number of participants die in accidents, vanish or commit “suicide”.

          Yep, and by that time we’ll be under near constant surveillance for our “own protection” and…well, our future looks bleak unless more sheeple wake up.

          It is good to see small sparks…I hope for more. However, seeing all of the requisitions for ammo, night vision and ammo of late – from the FDA and Forestry Service…I think uprisings will be tamped down pretty quickly.

          I hope Lophatt you won’t be sitting in your house someday when the government communication system contacts you: “Lophatt, is everything okay today? We noticed you haven’t had your daily b.m. and you did not get outside yesterday for your mandatory exercise….”

        1. Indeed…I had noted early on that his harassment campaign was like shooting himself in the foot.

          I think his attorney pals (aside from his CT resident attorney hired to write a FOIA letter) are in unchartered territory. Either that or this “investigation” was designed to pre-fail by himself/his “people”.

          More than likely the parties are inept. He has become the “Gene Rosen” of the “non-believers”, I’m afraid.

          On another topic:

          Halbig’s SHJF Fbook page has a video that shows his visit to the volunteer fire dept. I’m sorry but the woman pictured as walking around with them – is that not the bi-polar woman who spoke at the school board meeting?

          Didn’t Fetzer state that she (and Capt. Crunch) were NOT at all part of their group? Hmmm, looks like just her so assume she was part of the group or was invited to join.

      3. I take no pleasure in saying “I told you do”, but, there it is. It is time to grow up and realize that, even though none of us like it, there will be no investigation and/or “justice” in this.

        When something is part of a larger plan that is controlled from the highest levels of the cabal, there are no people “in authority” that will do anything about it.

        If, “making a difference” is important, make a difference in a way that has a possibility of success. Exposure in the interest of education seems possible to me. People must come to recognize the techniques used against them every day. When they recognize them they can ridicule them and they will no longer have any effect on them.

        If those who produce these events know that people don’t believe their story lines and that they are more likely to produce anger or hilarity aimed at them, that avenue will close.

        Why do you think there is so much interest in “net neutrality” at the moment? Increasingly, people are seeing the MSM as unreliable. They are discussing the lies in record numbers on the internet. I hear it from people I work with who, previously, would have just accepted whatever they were told. Most are becoming skeptical, as they should.

        Unless and until they pull the plug, there will be discussions. Those discussions mean more than any “official” investigation. We must learn to do things for ourselves, not broker problems to those who create them in the first place. We must become self-reliant and competent.

        1. Thank you for that gem stone of hard reality, Lophatt. Because of everyone on this blog, observing and understanding the truths supporting the theatre of SHE as the chapters are written has been a revelation for me.
          Finding local and personal victories of moving the truth forward is my sanity amidst the MSM garbage stream.
          As for the United Way participation in this theatre, it is interesting to revisit the ironic definition of their façade. Philanthropy- “love of humanity”.

    3. Well, there ya go then. The opposition makes Halbig out to be the tribe leader. When others act out…it will be attributed to anyone who doesn’t “believe” everything about the event. All will be lumped together – easiest way to try to shut down the legit questions/questioners.

      1. Yeah thats another tactic, make it seem a homogenous “movement” where everyone subscribes to a “theory” about what happened. They will always frame it as if we have made a claim and now must prove that claim, when in actuality it was law enforcement who made a claim and has insufficient evidence to back it up. It is difficult to sum this strategy up in a concise essay which is frustrating, and serves their bizarre interpretation of occams razor: The simplest answer is the right one. That is such bulls*^t, life is complex. The answers are complex.

  36. Dishonesty from Halbig and co. They ALL ditched their usual “hoax” “false flag” “fake” line in favor of use of the word “tragedy”. There’s no tragedy if no one died, so why skirt the subject? Because THEY don’t believe it….that’s why.

    1. Thankyou Lophatt, I read your post out to my sons and they agreed with everything you said..we laugh at the MSM news now.. and pick it to bits.. not that I watch much of it . but when I do I can see through a lot of the presentations, and guess what they will say next to pull that wool over your eyes.. they read off their script and tell you some facts but never actually say why they happened – a brief outline for you to fill in,… their way of course.!. anything else is just your imagination.. My mind works differently now – its a huge thing to realise how this world really works.. My family researched 9/11 and other events that are linked.. but it was S/H that took me into a reality check.The more we talk about these events with family and friends..and strangers as bus stops.. and give them facts and reasons why we know things are not as we were told, the more strength we have..So many layers so much deceit. Reading posts on this blog helps me to understand more .Some great researchers here, I feel like a bystander sometimes, but I hope I contribute by just being here listening and supporting and hoping more will come out… The governments view Problem -Reaction- Solution..is running well for them just now..

      1. Poppy – I’m glad you’re here. You bring a lot to the discussions. We may not always agree around here…but I am thankful we have somewhere to exchange ideas/thoughts.

  37. At the risk of stirring the pot further, I think it is interesting that James Fetzer and his research assistant(?) Victoria Muramoto have published their now-revised theory of Robbie Parker’s “true” identity. At first, the claim was that Parker is actually a musician/actor by the name of John Matthew Walker (a real, live person, apparently), but now the story is that “Robbie Parker” is actually a Salt Lake City resident named “Robby Parker” (if you’re rightfully confused, see the Veterans Today website for the full story).

    I find it half amusing and half horrifying that so many people are willing to accept ANY theory that Fetzer posits–going so far as to ridicule those who don’t buy the story (see the comment section)–and when Fetzer’s story changes, so does the minds of his supporters, without any acknowledgement of any prior error in judgment. It reminds me of the Salem witch-hunts…or at least the Monty Python witch-hunt (“There’s a witch…burn her!”).

    I find it ethically and morally alarming, not to mention potentially very damaging to the reputation of alternative journalism generally, that Fetzer is so quick to besmirch private reputations in a public forum, as he has with first John Matthew Walker, and now with this Robby Parker, whoever he really is. I’m certainly no expert in the matter, but doesn’t this smack of a complete lack of journalistic integrity?

    1. Recynd77 – I just read the “retraction” story at VT and agree with you 100%.

      The thing that gets me with their whole retraction, is that they want this John Walker to sign an affidavit stating that he never played the role of Robbie Parker. Really? You accuse someone – based on some convoluted “scientific” method (most people could tell visually that he wasn’t the same guy) drag his name thru the mud in your article and then DEMAND HE sign an affidavit? Then they have the gall to say – don’t bother trying to sue us because we’re a non-profit.

      The supporters on the VT article are the same type on Wolf’s FB page – always changing like the wind to support whatever direction he goes.

      1. I was wondering about this too, the whole thing is pretty strange. There is that guy wellaware1, I think who specializes in comparing celebrities to crisis actors…like saying Dr.Carver the medical examiner is played by the actor John Goodman. It reminded me of that. Hmmm…can the plot get any thicker?

        1. Calimom: I was thinking about Wellaware1 (aka: DallasGoldBug), too. QKUltra’s work is one thing, but besmirching innocents with what to me are obvious mis-characterizations and lies is another.

          I hold Fetzer to a higher journalistic standard (as I do Dr. Tracy) than I do an amateur researcher, since both Fetzer and Tracy are academicians; their advanced degrees and university teaching experience imply that they are, in effect, trained researchers. I’ve never been crazy about Fetzer personally, as I’m not a fan of his blustery, hyperbolic style. However, that I can overlook. What is harder to dismiss is his close affiliation with “I play fast and easy with the facts” Gordon Duff at Veteran’s Today, and now, this most recent incident has put me off him entirely.

          I’ve learned from experience that one must choose carefully those with whom one affiliates…said more plainly, if you lie down with dogs, you’re going to get fleas.

          To the others who responded to my post: thank you. I think this blunder of Fetzer’s (and now how he’s chosen to remedy it) is beyond the pale. A Big Deal. Out of all of the missteps–and there haven’t been all that many, though certainly a few–taken by the side of the “Truthers”, Fetzer’s is one of the most egregious.

    2. That is just ridiculous, I am damn sure the parkers are real people. My wife’s friend is an old friend of an old friend of the parkers (they are mormons- I assume they were friends at byu). I have been wanting to question her about the parkers and sandy hook but my wife won’t let me. She has two children the same age as two of ours and they alternate picking up each others children as the preschool gets out at the same time as kindergarten on two days of the week. anyway she believes it all and posts stuff like the parker video where they paint the playroom on facebook. I looked up her friend and sure enough she was friends with the parkers back when there were only like 40 friends or so.

      I tried to look her up again yesterday from my wife’s facebook and there seems to be thousands of friends on facebook. if I scrolled over their pictures, on many of these “friends” it would say (*)mutual friends. when I read the mutual friends I was horrified to see my brother and his wife, his inlaws and a bunch of people that I didn’t know that my wife does.

      It appears that I have three degrees of separation from the parkers many different ways. I don’t know the relationship of any of these people(robbie may be accepting any friend requests now) but the woman mentioned in the first paragraph was an old friend. I wonder if she has kept in recent enough contact to know the ages of the parker’s children? I want to dig in but how can I broach the subject? Perhaps paint Fetzer as the loon he is and say I am trying to disprove him?

    3. Hopefully the lawsuit from the person wrongly fingered as playing Robbie Parker will have brought him down to Earth.

      He can be particularly nasty it seems and his followers quite devout, I will give you that.

    4. The Robby Parker from Ogden, UT has been known for over a year now. This isn’t speculation either since they supposedly had the memorial there. http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/tag/robby-parker/

      Funny how he was always reported as being a physicians assistant, but in reality he works for SpotterRF, a Defense contractor. SpotterRF makes High accuracy extremely compact radar systems for military and commercial markets.

  38. Imagine if someone went into a school in Newtown next week and really shot 24 people how would things look? The same as before? would there be anyone going to the hospital? etc. etc.etc/

    1. I honestly do not believe that there are 24 kids in Newtown proper at all. I think you would be hard pressed to find even 2 if you took a drive through the area where the decrepit school was torn down.

      1. Yes, I have seen that clip on BIN. It is quite telling. I have proposed before that when the kids went back to school on Jan 3, 2013, it was business as usual. Some of my research has found SHES to be closed as a school as far back as 1980, and used for other purposes until its demolition in October of 2013.

      2. John,
        The Monroe budget report for 2011-12 only mentions 2 schools, Jockey Hollow, and Masuk HS. There was no follow up to the CT Post article referenced in the video. The budget report the article mentions can be found at the Monroe website.
        http://www.monroect.org/

        The Newtown budget reports for the same time period are not available. Shock!! I do hope there is someone lurking at the Libraries up there!

      3. Susan, yes that is very compelling evidence. In all my black and white research of SHES, I have not found any evidence of the school being closed, open, or even mentioned going as far back as 2007. Many other schools are mentioned for the most mundane things. I do not search pdf files or the internet, but a hoarder’s newspapers.

        There is no proof of anything going back five years from the event. To me, that speaks volumes. The only mention of SHES that I have ever seen in black in white was on 12-14-12. I still believe that the actual black and white article is out there, perhaps from June of 1980, June of 1995 or somewhere in that time frame when the school ceased operations as a school.

        The building was definitely used for something other than an elementary school from closure until demolition, with a very small budget.

        1. In my review of all of the on-line archived school board minutes – it astounded me that maintenance issues weren’t addressed at SHES when other schools were mentioned. I believe in sum total, the minutes mentioned SHES by name…at least one time (not too long before the event). I can’t remember why but had archived the particular date’s minutes on my other computer.

          Very, very strange.

  39. Tons of chit-chat here, the bottom line is that no emergency care was provided, emergency lanes were blocked off by the gray and white gubbermit gov vehciles, no medevac helicopters, their was no need for emergency medical responders. as there were no medical emergencies. Participated in 100’s of drills in my life, and one thing that is that is well known, there will be an emergency lane….

    1. They will say, ” all dead we can’t save anyone…no need for any emergency lane” ( who pronounced them all dead ).. but I understand what you are saying Kathy.. you would think this is emergency lane would be very important whether there are critical injuries or not.. Loads of of other discrepancies that we have been over and over.. In the real world parents wouldn’t stand back or gather at a location to hear any news..They would be there on the doorstep pounding on the doors…Lt Vance or no Lt Vance!… what kind of people react so humble and forgiving..in my mind – people with an agenda… and its not good..!

    2. It is a statistical impossibility to have 26 dead in the building and only 1 reported wounded, no matter what the weapon that was supposedly utilized. The story would have been slightly more plausible if they stated that 6 were dead and 21 were wounded. These plays are horribly written and defy any kind of logic.

      1. Yes, it’s a horrible script. In Boston they invented wounded people who could be interviewed later, but you can’t do that with 6-year-old children. But there is still the possibility that it was only partly a fake script, and that multiple shooters did in fact corner everyone in a bathroom or small classroom and shoot them at close range and with no way to escape.

      2. I know those bathrooms have not be used in 30 plus years, hence the porta-potties delivered on scene.

      3. Try this experiment…using a magic marker or some tape, outline a 3’x 4′ area on the ground. Place a crate with the approximate dimension of a toilet within the space. Locate fifteen 6 and 7 year olds from your neighborhood and place or pile them into that 3’x4′ space.

        Having trouble? Go to Kaitlin Roig’s next paid performance (which she reads from note cards) and when she takes comments from the audience ask her to explain exactly how she stacked those 15 kids in her class…. perpendicular? Horizontally? a mix of both? how many on the toilet bowl?

        1. Do we know the dimensions of the bathroom? I was imagining one of those industrial school bathrooms with several sinks and several stalls. But of course the scenario listed in the police report is impossible unless the kids were shot first, maybe in the classroom, and then stacked on top of each other in the bathroom afterwards. What I don’t get is why they would come up with such bizarre imagery in the police report, so inconsistent with a single shooter, if the whole event was totally fabricated. Maybe they were just writing that stuff to be ultra creepy and to make people look away? Or just for sadistic fun? Or maybe they were describing the actual carnage they witnessed in the aftermath of a pre-planned multiple-shooter massacre? Or maybe they were mind-controlled to imagine such images? The police report is so unnecessarily disturbing and weird.

      4. I remodeled a 4’x5′ powder room with my son. We are average size men. Only one of us could fit in the room at a time to actually do the work. I imagine Kaitlyn Roig is 115 lbs and 15 six year olds weigh at least 750 lbs without her. That must have been very interesting, lol!

    3. Don’t forget the most telling fact… that nowhere in the hours of raw helicopter footage, footage taken from the ground by news crews, or hundreds of still photos will you find evidence of more than roughly two dozen kids.
      All you will find are these kids: http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/50cb690969bedd7a0300002e/authorities-have-released-a-detailed-report-on-the-sandy-hook-elementary-school-shooting.jpg
      And these: http://www.insanemedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/sandy-hook-evidence2.jpg (btw… NO WAY would parents be let up to the school like that!)

      And the kids from those photos were then split up to take photos with parents and first responders. It would have taken over a dozen buses to transport 500+ kids, which never happened.

    1. Thanks for sharing. So we can confirm that religious indoctrination of minors (brainwashing) exists near Newtown. But you and I both know that the lawsuit primarily seeks monetary damages, and the parents will most likely settle out of court. Cash for kids. Ugh.

    2. Yes this is a disturbing find.. I bet it goes on more in schools without any one really knowing.. it ties in with the unusual language the parents used after the event,” butterfly’s and light,” and ” in a good place”.. etc., I’m wondering if a ‘ cult like’ community took over – anything is possible with these people.

      1. Speaking of “wheels within wheels”:

        http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/05/25/elliot-roger-santa-barbara-killer-parallels-and-numbers/

        It certainly is a “busy” place. Just as an aside, he apparently did as much (if not more), damage with a knife as well but they’re not talking about that.

        And, yes, it is a cult. Don’t forget the “Up With People” crowd who figured largely in this. This latest event has overtones from the others. There is eye witness testimony that there was another person driving the BMW when he fired out the window.

        It is becoming increasingly obvious that the Obongo administration is the appointed entity to bring in the disarmament and “mental health” agenda. There is no longer any subtlety to this. They are openly acting in a completely lawless manner and the push appears to be to get this done as quickly as possible.

        For many years we have known that they are creating a new “religion”. This is being inculcated onto the kids in school. Increasingly parents are losing any say whatsoever in what is presented to their children. If you have been following things lately you will see some pretty outrageous activity tied to public schools.

        Their real problem is the adults. Of course they have raised a proper class of thugs to deal with that and they are arming them, military fashion, to the teeth. It is quite apparent that they no longer care what anyone thinks of this.

        Things have been destabilized everywhere. The choices offered are to join the Entity (and become an adherent), or face the consequences. As we know, they have pulled out all the stops in an effort to identify any potential trouble makers.

        To answer your question; “I’m wondering if a cult like community took over”, my suspicion is that it is more of a “gathering”, than a take over. For some reason, they singled that location for special attention. There are others. I don’t believe that it just occurred, naturally.

        This is a “model community”. This is where Tavistock meets “THX 1138”. Their global plan touches all aspects of life. From destroying countries so that they can be “remade” in their image, to controlling what kids eat at school, they have accelerated the plan.

        It seems to me that this represents a final push. It is a “now or never” time for them and they are going for broke.

      2. Just as a follow up:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdW9gYoYzB0

        There are others out there with the same information. He refers to this as a “game changer”. Not really. This is the same scenario as the Aurora event.

        Notice how they are focused on the gun issue. It’s pretty obvious that its a “full court press” for gun confiscation and “mental health” evaluations.

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