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Newtown 911 Calls Released

Byconcettafannin2

Dec 5, 2013 journalism, news media, Sandy Hook Elementary

Updated 12/6/13, 6:15PM with Full Transcript

Associated Press / Newsday

HARTFORD, Conn. – As gunfire boomed over and over in the background, a janitor begged a 911 dispatcher to send help, saying, “There’s still shooting going on, please!” A woman breathlessly reported seeing a gunman run down a hall. And a teacher said she was holed up in her classroom with her children but hadn’t yet locked the door.

Recordings of 911 calls from last year’s Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting were released Wednesday, and they not only paint a picture of anguish and tension inside the building, they also show town dispatchers mobilizing help, reassuring callers and urging them to take cover.

“Keep everybody calm. Keep everybody down. Get everybody away from windows, OK?” one dispatcher told the frightened teacher who reported hearing shots in the hall.

Recordings of 911 calls from the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting that were released Wednesday December 4 show town dispatchers urged panicked callers to take cover, mobilized help and asked about the welfare of the children as gunshots could be heard.

The calls were made public under a court order after a lengthy effort by The Associated Press to have them released for review. Prosecutors had argued that making the recordings public would only cause more anguish for the victims’ families.

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Col. Bat Guano says:

December 5, 2013 at 10:49 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPbRfykbIlc

As one commenter noted, at 2:38 you hear in the background: “theres a rumor its fake”

And why did not this custodian notice Hochsprungs body, wasn’t she shot in the corridor? Also there are no screams of children. MSM bs story tells us that AL had a few get away as he was reloading towards the end of his spree (even though he had two loaded guns on his body).

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1. Carl says:
  
  December 5, 2013 at 12:41 pm
  
  Wow you can clearly hear “there’s a rumor it’s fake” – that is a great pick up. Then Nute admonishes her quite purposefully.
  
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  1. Col. Bat Guano says:
    
    December 5, 2013 at 2:41 pm
    
    And as 4:20 we hear Carlee Soto play the role of her imaginary heroine sister…
    
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  2. lophatt says:
    
    December 8, 2013 at 1:34 am
    
    Carl,
    I know that rumors start fast, but not that fast. If that is what she said then it is more evidence that the tape was created at a later date.
    
    I have not heard any mention of silencers? I own an AR and I can assure you that if I fired it in a school like that you would hear it on the telephone.
    
    One of the more compelling bits I ran across while researching this was a tape by a guy who claimed to be local. He said he was “playing hooky” from work and went out to a convenience store to get a soda. He drove past the firehouse before any of this began and was surprised by how many cop cars and unmarked government vehicles were parked in front. He thought it was another drill as there had been previous drills staged there. He called his wife who worked at the high school to see if something was going on and she hadn’t heard anything. It sounded believable.
    
    Many others and myself spent a great amount of time researching this. Virtually anywhere you turn you will find evidence of fraud. I wouldn’t put any stock at all in the tapes. In fact, the tapes don’t follow the storyline.
    
    Remember all the helicopters and shots of people swarming through the woods? Where did those come from? How come we don’t hear those? That must be some insulated old school they had there. This is a test. They are “culling the chumps”. Those who believe this will make model obedient citizens in their new A-21 World Order. Those who smile and chuckle at adversity are their kind of citizen.
    
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2. Smallstorm says:
  
  December 5, 2013 at 1:32 pm
  
  At 2:17 the operator asks “Who am I talking with right now?” and the caller replies “Rick Thorn” (heard by the operator as “Storm”) … and then when the caller is asked “What is your position with the school?” the answer is “I’m acting head custodian” (2:28). Very interesting … Now this could mean “I’m filling in as the head custodian who is not here today” or it could mean … I’m acting the part of head custodian. Hmmm.
  
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  1. Sue says:
    
    December 5, 2013 at 1:47 pm
    
    If you are Sophia of the video presentation on Sandy Hook I want to chime in how well done and compelling I found it – it helped answer some of the remaining questions I had about the incident. Thanks.
    
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    1. Smallstorm says:
      
      December 6, 2013 at 3:08 pm
      
      You are welcome; thanks for thanking me. There’s more that surfaces all the time. It takes a while to put thoughts together, as you know. I was able to create a picture from what I was learning (with the help of other researchers) and what I was able to see myself. At some point that picture finds itself in need of refinements and additions … I have to figure out how to do that … maybe here on JT’s blog?
  2. zemblanity1 says:
    
    December 5, 2013 at 1:52 pm
    
    I thought that was interesting as well.
    
    I’m curious if this is the same, Rick Thorne,
    http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20121202/BIZ/312029965/1031
    
    If so, he had not been in Newtown long.
    
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    1. Tanya Stone says:
      
      December 6, 2013 at 12:45 am
      
      If Rick Thorne had been a custodian in Mass. and was unemployed on Dec. 2 (the day of this article), how did he get hired in Connecticut? To work in a public school, you need to be fingerprinted in the new county in which you are working, which takes weeks to clear.
    2. John says:
      
      December 6, 2013 at 3:49 pm
      
      Apparently… same name, different guy.
    3. Peter says:
      
      December 7, 2013 at 5:25 am
      
      Is Rick Thorne on the 911 tape the same Rick Thorne named in the article? I bet it is. Casting consistent with that of Carlos Arredondo, the cowboy hat hero who saved Jeff Bauman. Carlos was an outspoken critic of the US military. When the Marine’s came to his home to inform him of his enlisted son’s death, Carlos set their van on fire and then toured the country towing a coffin draped with an American flag. One way to shut people up is to offer them a gig that pays really well.
  3. Dan Hennen (@dmhennen) says:
    
    December 5, 2013 at 2:09 pm
    
    correct, Rick Thorne was filling in for his boss who was on vacation. Thorne was later “hailed as a hero” that day for running through the halls alerting everyone there was a shooter in the school. The audio now proves he was hiding in a room in an adjacent corridor.
    
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  4. Carl says:
    
    December 6, 2013 at 6:16 am
    
    In addition to the Hegelian Dialectic let’s also consider Occams razor.
    
    Occam’s razor (also written as Ockham’s razor from William of Ockham (c. 1287 – 1347), and in Latin lex parsimoniae) is a principle of parsimony, economy, or succinctness used in logic and problem-solving. It states that among competing hypotheses, the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions should be selected.
    
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    1. Col. Bat Guano says:
      
      December 6, 2013 at 6:52 am
      
      Interesting idea, the wikipedia article gave some further insight on this. Your explanation is a bit too simple I think.
      
      “The application of the principle often shifts the burden of proof in a discussion.[a] The razor states that one should proceed to simpler theories until simplicity can be traded for greater explanatory power. The simplest available theory need not be most accurate. Philosophers also point out that the exact meaning of simplest may be nuanced.
      
      “In science, Occam’s razor is used as a heuristic (general guiding rule or an observation) to guide scientists in the development of theoretical models rather than as an arbiter between published models.[8][9] In the scientific method, Occam’s razor is not considered an irrefutable principle of logic or a scientific result.[1][10][11]”
    2. Patrick says:
      
      December 6, 2013 at 7:31 am
      
      This is true, but there is another element not mentioned: the problem of conspiracies. If, as is the case with Sandy Hook (Boston, too), you wish to convince the world that a non-event actually took place, if you plant lots of wild, irrelevant “evidence” you can “refute” those who see through the ruse by telling them that sensible people apply Occam’s razor to the situation. They can claim that it’s too complicated to be a scam; the simplest explanation, they will say, is that the event actually happened, pretty much as reported.
      
      So by throwing in ridiculous buffoons like Gene Rosen, with his nonsense story about a group of kids showing up at his house (“we can’t go back–our teacher’s dead!” he says they told him); and helicopter footage from a different time of day purporting to show assassins running away through the woods; and get a handful of actors to exit the fire station, walk around the building, reentering through the back, over and over and over to make it look like there were more people than rurally were there, etc., you can pretty much invalidate Occam’s razor.
      
      Throw in a couple of goons in nun costumes, a supposed SWAT guy standing around, incomprehensible press conferences, and lots of complicated foolishness about the imaginary perpetrator, and you’re pretty much good to go. All you need to do then is hire people to come to web sites like this, who’s job it is to keep insisting that we focus on the fake evidence, apply Occam’s razor and rejoin the Borg.
    3. Violeta says:
      
      December 6, 2013 at 7:57 am
      
      Occam’s razor is not applicable when cutting through garbage (crap).
    4. Carl says:
      
      December 6, 2013 at 10:49 am
      
      So if we have an armed SWAT from another town guy caught in the woods, A kindergarten teacher’s son identified as the shooter, and other suspects but we do not see blood or bodies and the report is that there are victims in the school we should posit what as our postulate on the circumstances ?
    5. Patrick says:
      
      December 6, 2013 at 12:52 pm
      
      “…we should posit what as our postulate on the circumstances ?”
      
      Given the insane ridiculousness of the rest of the official narrative, we should posit that these are items of fake evidence planted to force the conversation to veer away from the obvious falseness of the whole story.
      
      No one should pay any attention to these silly, extraneous, fake clues.
    6. musings says:
      
      December 6, 2013 at 11:37 pm
      
      As I understand Patrick’s point, once you see the hoax in its totality, these later-appearing “clues” are meaningless to discuss – except for the malicious pleasure they afford to anyone who understands they were produced by writers who never got past the stage of “It was a dark and stormy night.” I remember well Gore Vidal’s skewering of the stewardess’s call from one of the planes which slammed into the WTC (need I write “Not!”?) where this person who regularly flew from Boston to NYC cries out “Oh! I see bridges, I see buildings” and Vidal points out that a real person in the circumstances might yell “Holy shit, we’re going to hit Manhattan!”
      
      “I had a glimpse of a gunman in the hall” on a 911 tape is of that order of quality below schlock, that brain-dead prose which can only be found in cultural centers where the sun never shines and it is always five minutes until the dirty bomb goes off in Times Square.
      
      It is what the eleven o’clock news bimbo calls “Chilling.”
      
      I’m not applying to work for the government. They could never pay me enough to create one of their civil defense skits. But just think – somebody thinks he is finally achieving the recognition his work deserves. David Mamet killed off a guy like that in a movie. He’d better watch his back.
    7. zemblanity1 says:
      
      December 6, 2013 at 11:50 pm
      
      Caller number one who “caught a glimpse of someone with a gun” and *thinks* she hears shooting has excellent manners. She starts her call with a greeting, “Hi” and ends with a polite, “Please”. Those people of Newtown sure are calm and composed and ever so polite when faced with fear or tragedy.
    8. lophatt says:
      
      December 8, 2013 at 8:19 pm
      
      So true, Violeta. It applies to “plausible” theories. The wild leaps of logic one must make to buy into the official tale are outside the realm of logic.
  5. Marzi says:
    
    December 6, 2013 at 8:10 am
    
    I probably go to theater more than most people who read this blog and I would characterize the part of the acting head custodian and Carlee as above as terrible acting. The same with the so called police response. The dialog is stiff and poorly written, too. Can’t the drill planners hire better actors and writers or is their amateur quality something that doesn’t matter because the press treats whatever they do as truth?
    
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    1. musings says:
      
      December 6, 2013 at 11:42 pm
      
      I think the key is that such actors and writers must be so bad they are entirely without ego, and they will never try and claim any attention for themselves afterwards (“Or else we’ll send someone to your house and kill you” — Robert deNiro’ character in “Wag the Dog”)
    2. lophatt says:
      
      December 7, 2013 at 11:18 pm
      
      Marzi, yes….precisely. It was terrible ACTING. I think it was deliberately terrible acting. Part of the point of the whole thing was whether they could convince an audience of TEE VEE addicts that this farce was true (utilizing bad acting), and ridiculous plot elements.
      
      If I produced a novel based on this I’d owe the publisher. We all know that “news media” isn’t. It is an arm of the powers that be to manipulate the populace. You would be foolish to believe ANYTHING that they say. That is especially true when they are particularly insistent that we take away a message.
      
      There have been a series of these operations. They didn’t begin with 9-11, although that was certainly a “seminal event”. We’ve been looking at the JFK conspiracy for fifty years. Of course, he was killed. In some of these people are killed.
      
      I personally don’t think that the killing bothers them one bit. It is either expedient to do that or not, depending on the purpose and the circumstances. One constant is that they are planned. One easy way to spot them is the reaction from “the media”.
      
      When real events happen there is genuine confusion. I think that is more in evidence now than it was earlier. The “media” is so accustomed to having their talking points hand delivered that they have problems when uncontrolled events happen and they have to report on them in order to keep their “credibility”.
      
      When one of these operations happen they arrive “fully formed”. They miraculously know “details” that would be impossible to know. They have a predisposition to the conclusion the viewer is supposed to have. Little vignettes arrive early. They are repeated continuously with an authoritative monologue accompanying them.
      
      So, as one who visits the theater, you should feel right at home in the production. Thankfully, most theater groups have more pride in their work than the authors of these things. They are constantly lowering the bar and screaming “foul” when people question their version of events. Ask yourself, why would a “news” outfit care if you believed them or not? What’s to believe?
      
      There has been bad acting on the others too. This one, however, is notable by the bad acting. That has to be on purpose. I can see them screening this and chuckling “if they swallow that we’re home free”.
  6. Pascale Petit says:
    
    December 6, 2013 at 8:45 pm
    
    Man you need to look this up… I went to look for the official transcript… and guess what on page 3 right at the place where you’re supposed to be reading what we’ve all heard in the audio file: THERE’S A RUMOR IT’S FAKE, they did NOT transcript it, they just skipped that part !!!!!!
    
    LINK: http://www.newstimes.com/local/article/Full-transcript-of-the-Sandy-Hook-911-calls-5036086.php#page-3
    
    OPERATOR 2: O.K.
    
    CALLER: Something’s happening.
    
    OPERATOR 1: O.K. . . .
    
    Jen, hang up. I need you to get off that phone. Alright Rick? . . . Rick?
    
    They will not get away with this, we need to keep EXPOSING these freaks.
    
    God bless you
    
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    1. Carl says:
      
      December 7, 2013 at 8:49 am
      
      Good pickup on the “it’s fake” Pascale I noticed that as well- the media is all on board with the cover up and official story. When you point this out in the local Patch the article is immediately censored.
      
      I am amazed that they included the last caller’s comments that said there were “shooters”.
  7. Carl says:
    
    December 7, 2013 at 5:40 pm
    
    Sofia do you have a Bio page link or something ?
    
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3. Pascale Petit says:
  
  December 6, 2013 at 8:46 pm
  
  Man you need to look this up… I went to look for the official transcript… and guess what on page 3 right at the place where you’re supposed to be reading what we’ve all heard in the audio file: THERE’S A RUMOR IT’S FAKE, they did NOT transcript it, they just skipped that part !!!!!!
  
  LINK: http://www.newstimes.com/local/article/Full-transcript-of-the-Sandy-Hook-911-calls-5036086.php#page-3
  
  OPERATOR 2: O.K.
  
  CALLER: Something’s happening.
  
  OPERATOR 1: O.K. . . .
  
  Jen, hang up. I need you to get off that phone. Alright Rick? . . . Rick?
  
  They will not get away with this, we need to keep EXPOSING these freaks.
  
  God bless you
  
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4. Carl says:
  
  December 7, 2013 at 11:52 am
  
  I am now seeing suggestions that what is being said is “is there a room where it’s safe” or “ARE YOU IN A ROOM?? ARE YOU SAFE??” for what it’s worth
  
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  1. John Luv says:
    
    December 7, 2013 at 12:36 pm
    
    These transcripts, along with all of the evidence presented so far, would never even make it to a functioning court of law.
    
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    1. Patrick says:
      
      December 7, 2013 at 12:47 pm
      
      It is becoming clear that Carl is just another of the plants we have had to endure on other threads. He keeps insisting we focus on the fake, planted evidence, for one thing. And he completely ignores substantive replies to his supposedly honest questions, for another. He just moves on.
      
      I’m betting it is only one person, who keeps changing names (and computers). By the time he started calling himself “Carl,” though, he’d learned enough to trick us into taking him seriously enough to extend the benefit of the doubt. How desperately does he need the paycheck? (Or is it a “she”?) How desperate are the entities behind the hoax to disrupt the genuine exploration of what is being done to us that they hire “Carls” to come here, where we see right through him/her? Weird.
    2. zemblanity1 says:
      
      December 7, 2013 at 5:19 pm
      
      I find it interesting the things that the shills choose to focus in. It lets me know where not to focus.
rev. dave says:

December 5, 2013 at 10:55 am

“Delaying the release of the audio recordings, particularly where the legal justification to keep them confidential is lacking, only serves to fuel speculation about and undermine confidence in our law enforcement officials.”

Thank You, Judge! AMEN!

Now, if only we could get the same level of transparency into things like 9/11, Waco, Ruby Ridge, Fast & Furious, and a dozen other ‘odd’ events where there seems to have been government involvement.

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zemblanity1 says:

December 5, 2013 at 11:22 am

They only released a small portion of the 911 tapes. I think there were 6 calls, not 7, since two of the 7 were of the same exact call and I think 3 of the calls were all from the “acting custodian”, Rick Thorne. Many 911 calls were not released. Why?

I also see that some news outlets are trying to shame people for listening to the calls.
http://science.time.com/2013/12/04/what-listening-to-the-newtown-911-recordings-says-about-you/
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/ct-kass-met-1205-20131205,0,7822840.column

In a nutshell these articles tell us that we are morally corrupt, bad people for listening to the calls.

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1. Col. Bat Guano says:
  
  December 5, 2013 at 2:43 pm
  
  Here 8min of emotional bullcrap w o any facts at all, they just want you to know you’re a shameful person for even questioning SHH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AltaYpMOMP8
  
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zemblanity1 says:

December 5, 2013 at 11:35 am

Also of note, the call that I belive came from the teacher, Kaitlin Roig gives the address of the firehouse, not the school, to 911 dispatch. Wouldn’t a teacher know the address of her workplace? According to an article in “Glamour Magazine”, she had been a teacher at the school for over 5 years.

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1. Joel says:
  
  December 5, 2013 at 9:41 pm
  
  Even more curious is to why the police in this fairly small community would even need to ask the address of the school. But they consistently ask for the address, which is highly abnormal.
  
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2. musings says:
  
  December 6, 2013 at 11:50 pm
  
  I have what is perhaps a silly question. Why do you call 911 from the school when there is a fire department next door? The people at the fire department would hear the shots too. All hell would break loose. Why the dumb phone calls running on and on? Because the public has already forgotten the structure of the place, and the new hit of psychological warfare is being injected – those “chilling” calls to reinforce the message. In a real world situation, this would be like a war zone, with probable helicopters swarming in…but instead the lame conversation drones on.
  
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  1. Col. Bat Guano says:
    
    December 7, 2013 at 3:41 am
    
    AL allegedly fired 8 rounds to get through the window. The staff at the adjacent fire station may or may not have heard that. Most work in a forestation is indoors (washing hoses and the like). Gunshot is not really something people in general pick up on as danger when they hear it in the distant. And I say that as someone who lives under similar circumstances as the folks in Newtown. The only thing that would speak agains that is the fact the 8 rounds were fired by a school this time, and that is something someone might investigate after hearing. But it was in December and few people are out in the gardens, and most (adults) travel by car (with radio on). So very few or none might have heard it. These are facts that poachers take advantage of (not that I know any).
    
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    1. musings says:
      
      December 8, 2013 at 1:00 am
      
      Take a look at the Google Map. The Fire station is right next to the school. I heard a single gunshot in a neighborhood in Connecticut on Thanksgiving. It echoed through the woods (a lot of deer in the area and it’s hunting season). I heard the gun shot two doors down when a guy shot his brother-in-law indoors. In both cases, I totally got what I was hearing. Even if the firemen are inside their shed or something, they are close enough to pick up on it. It’s a hoax. That’s why they didn’t hear it.
    2. lophatt says:
      
      December 8, 2013 at 1:48 am
      
      Yeah Colonel, I suspect eight rounds of .223 ammo would make you gag on your morning donut. Miraculously, not a piece of furniture or any wall or floor was damaged. That speaks highly for the new bullet-proof glass, I suppose.
      
      I guess they sleep pretty sound down there at the firehouse. Of course one local observer stated that they were already pretty busy at the firehouse that morning, what with all the cop cars and unmarked government vehicles in front. That was supposedly well before “Adam” made his last stand.
      
      I’m getting old and hard of hearing. I can still hear my own AR however. Even from a distance. I think “poachers” would be pretty unlikely to be out blasting away like that. They’d have hamburger on the hoof.
Kathy says:

December 5, 2013 at 11:39 am

That banging was not gunfire. Sure was a lot of phone ringing and no answering going on, no talking at all. What was all those dial tones – someone who doesn’t know how to use a multi-line phone? Bye bye!

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1. lophatt says:
  
  December 8, 2013 at 1:51 am
  
  Kathy, did you hear any “beeps”, you know, the kind that every other 9-11 recordings have? That is the signal that shows they are being recorded. Maybe they left that detail out in the studio.
  
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RWVMuse says:

December 5, 2013 at 11:40 am

I find myself wondering how this scenario compares to the drill that was going on 15 miles away for the exact same scenario.
Would love to hear the drill audio to compare!

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poppylavender says:

December 5, 2013 at 11:50 am

Oh my ..the 911 call to police and the reply ‘. I’m not allowed to send them in yet.’.. why?.. and where are all the children..It is a School… isn’t it.?.. these recording just make the whole thing more questionable.. the teacher shot in the foot making a call, very strange.. if others were in the room with her.. why were they not helping her.. I am speechless.. keeping Rick on hold.. why? it really sounds staged. no wonder they didn’t release this.. they think now every one has forgotten.. but we haven’t…

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Mark says:

December 5, 2013 at 12:26 pm

Obviously if they can stage much or most of the Sandy Hook homicide, they can stage some or most of the calls. Here is where commenters are most perceptive and useful, a multi-headed multi-sourcing truth coalition. We can add bits needed to help to connect the truths into a coherent whole. This allows the coordinating truthers, often honest professionals, to give reasonable holistic interpretations.

However, it must be noted that this took a half century in the Kennedy assassination, and it is still not finished. Still, a journey of a thousand miles…… And Sandy Hook is particularly surreal and bizarre among the homicidal conspiracies because the central Event may not have actually occurred, and certainly didn’t occur in the way reported by the media.

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Carl says:

December 5, 2013 at 12:26 pm

Call number 1 may be Barbara Halstead and she makes no mention of shooting out the glass windows- you hear at the tail end of the call “Barbara”.

At the tail end of a call one guy said his wife texted that there were “shooters”.

Call number 7 at the 2:59 mark on that call timeline sounds like a gunshot – this would be at approximately 9:46:50 am consistent with the officer reporting on the radio at 9:49 am “shots fired 3 minutes ago”. Police were in the lobby at about 9:45 am and found Rick Thorne in the West Hallway so how did they miss Lanza in the 2nd classroom only a few feet away from the lobby ? You can line up the 911 time line with the police radio audio “party in custody” at 9:44:33 am is at about 43 seconds into the 911 call – approximately 2 minutes 16 seconds after that (2:59 on call time line) is the “shot”.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETkrxfYoQtc

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1. Carl says:
  
  December 5, 2013 at 12:28 pm
  
  Hence the official story that the last shot was 9:40 am does not appear accurate and consistent with the evidence
  
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  1. Listener says:
    
    December 5, 2013 at 2:01 pm
    
    In addition, the enhanced background audio is quite telling.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIjZpukns9Q.
    
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    1. Carl says:
      
      December 6, 2013 at 11:13 am
      
      Allusions to this video and the issue are immediately censored on the Newtown Patch
    2. Carl says:
      
      December 6, 2013 at 11:24 am
      
      My estimate on the timeline is about 9:37:53 am so Jen received the rumor it was fake very early on in the process
    3. Johnny Rotten says:
      
      December 14, 2013 at 11:31 am
      
      She says, “Are you in a room, are you safe”…passing disinfo helps no one
Kit says:

December 5, 2013 at 12:45 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qATvbknUJY

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1. choose says:
  
  December 5, 2013 at 4:51 pm
  
  Good video. Thanks for sharing as he asks simple, pertinent questions yet to be answered.
  
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2. Carl says:
  
  December 6, 2013 at 6:12 am
  
  I don’t always agree with Montagraph but he hit this one out of the park – 5 Star performance IMHO
  
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santabarbaradianne says:

December 5, 2013 at 1:14 pm

As someone who’s posted a dozen YouTube videos (at santabarbaradianne channel) I was ready to accept that the said shooting really happened but now I’m more convinced it didn’t – at least not the way it was reported.
What I heard sounded like a MSEL script from an HSEEP full-scale exercise/drill. 911 calls are part of the exercise, even from ppl playing passerbys .

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Mark S. says:

December 5, 2013 at 1:51 pm

Let us not forget about VisionBox which can supply citizens calling 911 & posting on social media during active shooter / disaster events.

Why did it take so long to release these 911 tapes?

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Sue says:

December 5, 2013 at 2:05 pm

What I don’t get is when TPTB arrange such an elaborate hoax, as it were, why they allow imperfections that could be edited afterwards. I get that some stuff they can’t totally control, but I’d think they could alter the 911 tape to make it ‘perfect.’

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1. zemblanity1 says:
  
  December 5, 2013 at 2:10 pm
  
  I think that the imperfections and inconsistencies are intentional. They are conditioning the public to accept whatever bizarre story they are fed by the mainstream, no matter how unbelievable it may be and to swallow it hole. They are altering “reality” as we speak.
  
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  1. lophatt says:
    
    December 8, 2013 at 3:10 pm
    
    Zem, I think you are absolutely right. Think about it. They’ve had almost an entire year. If they wanted to produce “evidence” in support of their operation they could easily have done that. They are in total control. They have not.
    
    These tapes could have been manufactured just like the sound track of a movie, in other words, to perfection. They are not. To me they sound just like you would expect the narrative of a drill to sound. People playing roles, knowing that it’s a drill and feeling a little silly. That’s how you separate actors from the amateurs. The actors know how to take somebody’s silly script and sound convincing.
    
    Then there’s “Jen”. How could she know there were “rumors” about something that hadn’t happened yet? Do you think that they reviewed these before they released them? I do.
    
    People take these things wherever they happen to be at. I had to work my way through it as well. I knew it was a hoax, I didn’t know to what extent. All of these operations are a little different. On the other hand, they are more alike than not. I think the particulars change as the demands of the script dictate.
    
    In order to have a desired outcome you have to control the action. If the desired outcome leaves no room for error you cannot allow any element to be “real”. In this one most of the action took place in the cutting room. You didn’t actually SEE anything. You HEARD what your eyes were not seeing.
    
    This is sort of a “test of faith”. You are supposed to “believe” in them. It is heresy to doubt. If the desired outcome were for you to believe they would simply manufacture evidence to suit the story. The outcome (in part) is for you to accept what you are told without question. More ominous is the “modeling”. You are to be “happy”, obedient citizens of the New World Order. Nobody likes an angry slave.
    
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    1. Patrick says:
      
      December 8, 2013 at 7:38 pm
      
      “Nobody likes an angry slave.”
      
      I have long argued that the very best way to enslave a people is to convince them that they are free; to make them love their captivity, to be proud of it, in fact.
      
      1984 paints a grim, unpleasant picture of life both for the proles and those of the outer party. Yet most of both groups seem to be content.
      
      Americans, indeed all of the peoples of the West, have been convinced that this slavery we endure is in fact freedom. No matter how much of out former freedom has been stripped away from us, we keep on believing we are still the freest people, ever. Amazing. The state grows, and we diminish, yet we can’t detect it. As I say, amazing.
      
      The real mystery is, even the angry slaves amongst us are angry about the wrong things. Blacks cold-cocking whites in the Polar Bear Hunting phenomenon might be angry, but not because the state has made them into denizens of a zoo-like culture of dependence. Union would-be thugs who attempt to picket Walmart, and their compatriots who are outraged that Detroit will renege on the promises made to public pensioners, might be angry that we don’t live in the 50s anymore, but there is nothing they seem to have no idea that they are slaves rattling their cages.
    2. Patrick says:
      
      December 8, 2013 at 7:44 pm
      
      Oops! The last sentence should read:
      
      Union would-be thugs who attempt to picket Walmart, and their compatriots who are outraged that Detroit will renege on the promises made to public pensioners, might be angry that we don’t live in the 50s anymore, but there is nothing THEY CAN DO ABOUT IT; they seem to have no idea that they are slaves rattling their cages.
    3. lophatt says:
      
      December 8, 2013 at 8:42 pm
      
      Patrick, very well said. No matter what government people live with, throughout history the goal of the “elite”, has been to keep them right at the point of rebellion. Sometimes they “over-reach” and things get out of hand. If they don’t have the resources to put it back in the box they are overthrown and the system starts all over again.
      
      I think you could plot a relationship between the social outrages we’re seeing lately and the rise in Stasi power. Although they are supremely arrogant, they know there are limits to what people will endure. They feel confident that they can suppress any uppity eaters, at least in the short run.
      
      If there is anything “new” about this, besides the technology, it is the fact that it is global. They have found the way to tighten the screws on the whole western world. I deeply resent the term “your government”. They are not. They have a goal and it isn’t our well being. They are deeply into the realm of molding a “third world” standard for us all. The cops will, of course, be afforded a few more crumbs, pats on their heads, and the ability to menace the population as rewards for their “service”.
      
      You are very right that people do not really want very much. That is one of the ironies in advertising. They must convince people that they have to have something in order to get them to strive for it. Left alone they would rather not. Two of the missing pieces are that psychopaths MUST control, and the rich are not concerned with getting more. They just don’t want us to have ANY.
      
      Those two propositions are related. It is hard to control someone who has all they need/want, and the way to get what you need/want is to have wealth. Notice the push to control things like water and food production. That is not because “they want to make money from it”, it is because they want us totally dependent. That helps them control.
    4. truthchase says:
      
      December 8, 2013 at 9:20 pm
      
      “SLAVES ARE TRAINED TO KILL OR DIE FOR MONEY-FREE MASONS TRAIN ILLITERATE SLAVES TO WORK WILLINGLY,FOR THEIR MASONIC SLAVE MASTERS”
      we have a LOT of slaves in this nation- all who are willing to trade their souls for cash – lets hope they save the hottest place in hell for them all who are a part of this .
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5Q-07BkNeY&feature=share
    5. zemblanity1 says:
      
      December 8, 2013 at 9:53 pm
      
      Patrick, I’m glad you brought this up as it has been on my mind a lot lately. People are definitely angry but the things that they have chosen to be angry about are completely baffling to me. People get up in arms over all kinds of social issues but when they hear about very real issues that threaten our ability to lead free lives as autonomous human beings, they seem to care less.
      
      I’m also baffled how people who understand that this was a hoax, or at the very least, a false flag, and also know that 911 was a hoax or false flag can still get caught up in the whole left right paradigm, thinking that one side still has our best interest at heart. If they can see through Sandy Hook and Boston and 911, etc. How can they trust these politicians who were complicit? It makes no sense to me. Baffling.
2. RWVMuse says:
  
  December 5, 2013 at 2:16 pm
  
  Do they need to? Would that make their story better or worse? If they have other bases covered, edits later would just introduce another layer of problems. A lot of other people that know truth is being covered up. They’re experts at this! And go by numbers. So what if a small percentage know the truth, or question the story. That can easily be kept quiet. The official story will remain intact with the help of media.
  
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  1. Sue says:
    
    December 5, 2013 at 6:45 pm
    
    Good point. Since I know nothing of how 911 tapes could be gathered or altered, it’s quite possible editing would add another inconvenient layer. Recently I was told an anecdote by a guy whose uncle was doing special ops in Viet Nam in the Marines. In the heat of battle, and drunkenness afterwards, a CIA ‘spook’ admitted that ‘we had to kill him,’ meaning JFK, while another CIA ‘spook’ dragged him bodily out of the bar and shushed him.
    
    I’d wondered since reading Astucia’s book about JFK how they keep everyone silent. Usually someone slips at some point.
    
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    1. RWVMuse says:
      
      December 5, 2013 at 7:06 pm
      
      Right, back to the numbers game. If a few slip up with the truth, who is going to believe them? They are just called crazy, conspiracy theorists. It never makes it to mainstream where the real numbers are. Sadly, the masses have historically believed mainstream media. So the few with the truth are simply contained, one way or another. The first official story is the one believed by the masses. So that is the one that matters most, and the one that is heard by most. Updates and follow-ups are heard by few.
      
      Truth is contained. They have experts to deal with that in many ways.
3. zemblanity1 says:
  
  December 5, 2013 at 2:38 pm
  
  Also just wanted to add that they had nearly a full year to release this information. They only chose a small handful out of all of the supposed 911 calls from that day. We have to consider that anything that they released yesterday was released on purpose and carefully considered ahead of time. Everything that we heard on those tapes was meant for us to hear, including the address inconsistencies as well as the phrase, “there’s a rumor it’s fake”, and the information regarding the text from someone’s wife who noted “shooters” plural.
  
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  1. Violeta says:
    
    December 5, 2013 at 3:20 pm
    
    Zemblanity, what do think about that? Why? What could be the psychodynamics behind that?
    
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  2. Col. Bat Guano says:
    
    December 5, 2013 at 3:23 pm
    
    Indeed there is no reason for them to make silly mistakes now when time is plentiful. We’re being “gaslighted”, we (the public) shall not know what to believe or disbelieve. Media has the last word on any subject, they tell us what is true, and what has happened. And If you do not buy that you are put to shame. Classic strategy of a sociopath ( I know them well).
    
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    1. Col. Bat Guano says:
      
      December 5, 2013 at 3:26 pm
      
      Let me ad that these sociopaths wants us to spend a lot of time on this. They are narcissists and crave attention!
    2. lophatt says:
      
      December 8, 2013 at 8:52 pm
      
      The Colonel is right, again! Psychopathy should be a required subject in school. There is no cure, just get away from them. It is hard for some to understand that, to a psychopath, control is a reward in itself. They get the only joy in their miserable little lives from controlling others. I’m sure they are delighted that we are paying so much attention to them. You can’t shame a psychopath.
    3. Violeta says:
      
      December 5, 2013 at 3:37 pm
      
      Yes, and I am thinking of a type of hoax vs. reality psychomanaging program that messes with everyone’s mind, even ours. And I think you’re right that they want us to spend a lot of time on this. And I still think they want us to know it’s a hoax.
    4. Violeta says:
      
      December 5, 2013 at 5:55 pm
      
      Repression, paranoia, psychodynamics, Tavistock………
    5. RWVMuse says:
      
      December 5, 2013 at 3:38 pm
      
      Convenient that media now has government people in their higher ranks now too. And BO’s right arm has a degree in fiction writing. Some things just make sense. Especially for those of us who understand sociopaths.
  3. lophatt says:
    
    December 8, 2013 at 3:22 pm
    
    A lot of us know this was a drill. They released the tapes for the drill. They can call them “the 9-11 tapes” all they like. There are tons of information on the frequency changes, etc., that happened that morning. That is because they were doing a drill.
    
    They grab a volunteer and say “you’re Rick”. “Er, this is Damien, I mean ‘Rick” Thorne, Custodian Extrordinaire. “I hear, er, popping, that’s right, popping, right here in the school”. “They shot out the window and now they’re ……..popping”.
    
    Anyone who touched this thing is up to their eyeballs in it. In for a penny, in for a pound. We tend to forget that when the Stasi and the courts are all involved, what do they have to worry about? Nothing.
    
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Sandy says:

December 5, 2013 at 2:34 pm

I think these were edited – some of the transmissions are cut off. The calls should have time markers – these have been omitted, probably since they would reveal editing.

Rick Thorne is the main caller – they accidentally hung up on him twice, and left two other 911 calls to go unanswered. Pass out the awards! Awards were given to their heroic 911 operators who handled over 150 calls per hour. So, where do we get only seven?

Rick is on the phone when he hears additional gunfire, but since it appears that police were already in the building, that gunfire was likely from the officers who shot out the rear entrance doors. He didn’t see anything, nor is there any first hand report from an eye-witness.

One of the immediate fast actions by the responders, within moments of the first reports of shooting, and before ambulances were dispatched, was to contact the soon-to-be-ousted Superintendent Janet Robinson. Interesting choice of response. She doesn’t work in Newtown anymore. Carver is out of there too.

The foot shot sounds like typical drill BS, and all foot victims are generally up and running within a couple of days. She calmly calls in her own shooting while two other adults are in the room with her. Seems odd. Most DHS drills begin between 8:30am and 9:30am, and this one was right on schedule.

There is nothing chilling about these calls, just the opposite. No AR-15 shots. or any shots from the arsenal he was packing. The calls are placed and received by rather calm sounding individuals, except for the police who are rounding up mysterious suspects.

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1. RWVMuse says:
  
  December 5, 2013 at 2:58 pm
  
  Another oddity. Not one mention of a child being shot. No one saw any of that.
  And the only person we saw leaving the school that day was the one shot in the foot. EMS was not positioned to take victims away in the first place, the school was blocked off, vehicles blocked in. Like there was NO intention of bringing victims out.
  The drill was 15 miles away that day, per the official report at the time. Meanwhile Sandy Hook was scheduled for demolition for asbestos.
  
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2. Todd says:
  
  December 6, 2013 at 1:06 pm
  
  Definitely edited. I noticed the same thing. Where is the rest of the audio? Did New Britain Superior Court Judge Eliot Prescott order the release of ALL the audio or just SOME of the audio to the Associated Press?
  
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Rick says:

December 5, 2013 at 3:17 pm

To me, these people sound like they are acting out a drill, which “fits” the most likely conclusion.

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Larry says:

December 5, 2013 at 6:01 pm

No sirens. No gunshots when they say there is shooting going on. Everyone sounds like they are on ludes. I really am starting to think this is pathetic on purpose. They want to pull one over or gaslight the awake using frustration.

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Rocky says:

December 5, 2013 at 6:36 pm

I haven’t seen an analytical examination of the S.H. Report on this site:
http://www.ct.gov/csao/lib/csao/Sandy_Hook_Final_Report.pdf

A couple of things that I would like to get greater clarification on are why they said there were no more than one shooter:

As noted above, on December 14, 2012, there was a concern that there may have been more than
one shooter. This was based upon a number of factors:
1.
The initial police encounter with the unknown male outside SHES;
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2.
Reports by school personnel during the shooting on a 911 call of seeing someone
running outside the school
while the shooting was ongoing;
3.
The location of two black zip up sweat jackets on the ground outside of the shooter’s
car;
4.
The discovery of an Izhmash Saiga-12, 12 gauge shotgun and ammunition in the
passenger c
ompartment of the shooter’s car. A police officer moved this shotgun and
ammunition to the car’s trunk
fo
r safety purposes;
5.
Shell casings that were located outside of the school; and
6.
The apparent sound of gunfire coming from outside of the school
;
The subsequent investigation revealed there were no additional shooters based upon:
1.
Searches of the area and examinations of local business security surveillance videos;
2.
Persons detained revealed they were not connected to the shootings. In the case of the
initial unknown male, he was identified as the parent of a student and had a cell
telephone, rather than a weapon, in his hand;
3.
Witness interviews which indicated that no witness saw anyone other than the
shooter,
with a firearm;
4.
Witness interviews in which it was determined that a number of SHES staff had
escaped from the school through a window and had been running outside the school
building during the shootings;
5.
The shotgun located in the shooter’s car had been purchased by the shooter’s mother
previously;
6.
The two sweat jackets were both C-Sport brand black zip up hooded sweat jackets
with no size listed and were located immediately outside the shooter’s car;
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Both are
believed to have been brought there by the shooter;
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7.
The live shotgun shells (other than the one found on the shooter and the ones found in
the shooter’s car) that were located inside and outside of the school were in locations
where first responders had been. Additionally, there were first responders who
19
The man was later determined to be the parent of one of the school’s children and the item in his hand was a cell
telephone.
20
See the Appendix at page A174.
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A parent who arrived at SHES as the shooting was taking place saw the shooter’s car parked in front of the school
with the passenger side door open and the two sweat jackets on the ground near the car. To the parent, the jackets
looked like two black blankets on the ground.
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reported missing live shotgun rounds. Moreover, the shells were found in locations
where there had not been reported sightings
of
any
non
-law enforcement individuals;
8.
There were no expended shotgun shells found in the actual crime scene nor were any
expended 12 gauge shotgun pellets or slugs recovered;
9.
The only expended casings located outside of the school building were 5.56 mm
casings located just outside the school’s front entrance
,
consistent with the shooter’s
entry into the school; and
10.
The officer who heard what he believed to be outside gunfire was in a position to
have heard the shooter’s gunfire coming from window openings in the classroom in
which the shooter was firing.

p17 Why was there no video feed??

Main entranc
e
The main entrance to the school was located next to the large glass window that the shooter shot
out to enter the school. A patio area was just before the entrance doors. The entrance to the lobby
consisted of two sets of locked full glass doors that opened outwardly using a pull handle. They
were separated by a small vestibule. The doors were secured with an electronic locking
mechanism. The doors could be opened from the inside with a horizontal push bar across the
middle of the door.
The broken area of the window that the shoot
er
shot out measured approximately 35.33 inches
wide and 42.5 inches high.
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The exterior of the main entrance door way had a call box, buzzer system with a video camera.
The call box was installed in 2005. The video camera did not record, but the video could be
viewed live on three monitoring systems on the secretaries’ desks in the main office, with no
recording capabilities. The electronic unlocking of the front doors was done by using a “key
button” on any of the three monitoring systems.

WHAT WAS DONE WITH THE DEAD BODIES?

SANDY HOOK ELEMENTARY SCHOOL – AUTOPSY INFORMATION
Deceased victims were removed from the school building to a large military-style tent located in
the north parking lot, near the front of the school. The Office of the Chief Medical Examiner
sought to make positive identification of the victims through photos, school records and personal
and clothing descriptions.
On Saturday, December 15, 2012, all of the victims were transported to the OCME in
Farmington for
autopsies
;
autopsies were performed the same day. The cause of death for all of
the victims was determined to have been gunshot wounds; the manner of death was determined
to have been homicide.
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Evidence collected during the autopsies was turned over to CDMC and forwarded to the Division
of Scientific Services for examination. The Evidence Examination section of this report contains
a summary of the results. p23

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1. Larry says:
  
  December 5, 2013 at 6:59 pm
  
  Here ya go http://youtu.be/QgwpwqGVmGw
  
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Sue says:

December 5, 2013 at 7:01 pm

This question relates to my above post regarding layers of ‘in the know.’ Does anyone wonder how they keep the actors quiet…like that short-haired blonde ‘mother’ who appeared (I think with her husband) on one of the morning talk shows. She was so unbelievable. Sophia Smallstorm featured a clip in her presentation. Is it possible some of the actors are somehow coached to believe they’re standing in for the actual parents? I just wonder at how many people were both involved and in a public way – don’t their families ask them? Or perhaps the key actors are more intentionally planted and are direct beneficiaries from the whole hoax. I just sensed total weirdness from the families – it was one of the things that made me progress from ‘this could have been prevented’ level of skepticism towards the government and media’s reaction to ‘this could be BS.’ In their drive to massage us from “Never Forget’ in 9/11 to ‘Always Forgive’ in Sandy Hook I sensed something deeper was amiss. That young teacher’s family ribboning everyone so preternaturally also freaked me out. They seem to really think they can deprive the average citizen from sensing and knowing authentic grief and the anger that for so many often attends it. Human beings will always have a variety of reactions to such profound stress, like in Aurora, where one father urges everyone to face that Homes is evil, not crazy.

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truthchase says:

December 5, 2013 at 7:48 pm

now that they have written the screen play , hired the actors , done the rehearsals & sent out the previews I wonder when the movie comes out

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1. RWVMuse says:
  
  December 5, 2013 at 8:21 pm
  
  LOL Yes. Inquiring minds and the Crisis Actors union want to know.
  
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Pat says:

December 5, 2013 at 8:00 pm

Apparently the only calls that were released were LAND LINE calls. No cell calls were released (according to press releases). Does no one in Sandy Hook have a cell phone? Did Gene Rosen call 9/11?

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1. zemblanity1 says:
  
  December 5, 2013 at 8:15 pm
  
  How often are land lines set up in the hallways and the classrooms in schools?
  
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  1. zemblanity1 says:
    
    December 5, 2013 at 8:21 pm
    
    Just making note of yet another anomaly and unbelievable aspect of this story.
    
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  2. John says:
    
    December 5, 2013 at 9:00 pm
    
    Zemblanity1,
    
    Recently retired, I taught in a public school high school located in lower Westchester County, NY, for 31 years and we never had landline phones in any of our classrooms or hallways. The only landline phone were installed in administrative and department offices.
    
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    1. Pat says:
      
      December 6, 2013 at 2:36 pm
      
      IF there was a phone it most likely had the capabilty to dial 9-1-1 no matter where it was installed. Phone systems are different now and don’t require operators to access 9-1-1 systems. I believe they aren’t releasing cell calls due to some esoteric interpretation of wiretapping rules? In any case, no one claimed all calls were released. I highly doubt it was just 7.
    2. musings says:
      
      December 7, 2013 at 12:02 am
      
      I highly doubt it was one. I highly doubt that school had its landline anymore. I highly doubt people were in the building and using cellphones. I don’t believe they “hesitated” to disseminate the calls. We are being played them because this is a moment of reinforcement in time for the anniversary moment, the great memorial on Dec. 13 or 14, I forget which. See? This is a pre-show trailer! A tickler before the recapping of all of it, right through the Marathon bombing with Sandy Hook parents watching the carnage from the stands. These are some really sick ad men. Real mad men. What a sales campaign! What an exposure of what a weak, mindless society we have become, from top to bottom. It’s our nation’s report card. F-
Kathy says:

December 5, 2013 at 10:04 pm

We have come full circle, there is no longer any doubt that this was a manufactured event with the purpose of a) distracting us, b) eliminating guns and making criminals of previously law abiding citizens, c) giving the gov a broad cloak to declare citizens mentally ill and thus in need of restraint, d) declaring all those who doubt the official story heartless and also insane and/or e) inciting citizens to revolt and thus declaring martial law. For sure there is plenty of evidence that there are violent crimes in the cities that the msm has neglected to report, black groups knocking out and murdering innocent white victims for no reason other than the thrill of it. What are we being distracted from? Believe it is the gov takeover of the healthcare system with the full intention of dismantling it and turning us into a socialist state. Can we really believe they have spent coming up to $1 billion on a website that does not work? It was never intended to work, they were hoping they could get through one more election before the truth be known. Millions have lost their plans with the individual market being hit this year, next year a huge population of employer paid health care plans will being canceled. When the speech was go on the site, see how good it is, I did and it said prices will not be available until after 10/1. Now that prices are available on other sites, as the gov thing is still a pos, there is a major scam going on. One of the cheapest plans with a $10,000 cost, has a $10k and $20k family deductible, and another line item that I have never seen before – Maximum out of pocket cost after the deductible is meant, $10k and $20k for family. That means, you spend $50k before your health plan kicks in and only pays a percentage of the cost, although you may get an annual physical at no cost and abortions are of course ‘free’. Praying for our country and all of us!

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1. musings says:
  
  December 6, 2013 at 6:35 pm
  
  I may agree with you partly, but isn’t it a bit gratuitous (and perhaps ignoring the evidence) to place an emphasis on blacks killing whites, when the reality is that the black on black victimization happens far more. In fact, if you think about this reality, considering places like Detroit, Chicago and Washington DC, I wonder what you might try and do about it if you were the first black President? You might come up with what you think would solve the problem, using your power to bring about some change there.
  
  I never think people who do wrong-headed things like Sandy Hook are necessarily pure evil. I think it can be misapplied zeal to do something which you think will have a good outcome.
  
  I don’t need to be defended from scary black people. My own experience with my world is that white people have hurt whites – that’s the kind of environment I have lived in for most of my life. When the man shoots his brother-in-law on my block, it’s white-on-white, etc.
  
  Whether impulse crimes and suicides with firearms can be prevented by registering all of them is dubious. You can provide a speed-bump, but you aren’t going to stop a determined speeder.
  
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  1. Wondering Aloud (@WonderingAloud1) says:
    
    December 6, 2013 at 7:30 pm
    
    I, too, question the mention of “black groups knocking out and murdering innocent white victims for no reason other than the thrill of it.”
    
    Seriously, do you really think those news stories are real? Perhaps, someone was indeed assaulted… then the fakenewsmedia slaps a sensational name and spin on it to get the public chattering about nonsense.
    
    Such BS. Seriously, with all the “inner city violence” and access to guns when has a “gang” ever shot-up an airport or a school?
    
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    1. musings says:
      
      December 6, 2013 at 8:54 pm
      
      I live only about five miles from a place where incidents happen a lot. It would be nice if black people were not killing other black people there. I’d love it to be a myth. But I do know that when my neighbor shot his brother-in-law in the stomach and killed him over some debt it was as real as it probably is in the ghetto for often the same kind of thing.
    2. musings says:
      
      December 6, 2013 at 10:17 pm
      
      I think I may have misunderstood your reply to me the first time I read it. You actually seem in some agreement with my statement, and to give as an example the fact that black gangs do NOT terrorize collections of whites (Neiman Marcus stores seem relatively free of such attacks as do airport lounges or golf courses). This mythology of that kind of danger may have some validity in places where such acts would be political (some Caribbean island or Africa, where rich blacks would get killed too) – it would be primarily economic and political and not purely racial.
    3. Wondering Aloud (@WonderingAloud1) says:
      
      December 7, 2013 at 8:46 pm
      
      Yes, my point was that the characterization of black-on-white crimes as being a “big problem” is simply not true. Violence exists everywhere and particularly where poverty leads to despair and the subsequent breakdown of family and individual functioning.
    4. Sue says:
      
      December 8, 2013 at 5:10 pm
      
      Do you question dead bodies? Perhaps you need to start way back in the 70’s, and investigate the Zebra Murders, committed by the Nation of Islam as a method to exterminate white people. What’s most disturbing is how the jewish-funded ‘civil rights’ groups defended them. But start there…
      
      Black on white rape occurs anywhere from 50-100 times a day in the US according to the FBI. White on black happens maybe 10 times per year. In the last year black on white hate crime murders have taken place at least a few times a week. This epidemic of black on white violence has been going on for decades, with the imprimatur of our federal government, with special thanks to the jews.
      
      Dr. Tracy is not overly neutral on the race front, so you perceive a rigged playing field here, but try as you or any liberal might, dead bodies – real in the flesh bodies – are hard to fake. I’ve ignored the baiting on here for the most part but you and your racist ilk have crossed a line.
    5. musings says:
      
      December 9, 2013 at 11:12 pm
      
      Sue you have left out the most important statistic (if we care about “the general welfare”) : black on black murder and rape is the largest factor in all of this. I do not say this from racism, it’s a known fact of American life. That’s why I think the idea that it’s some kind of scourge of blacks on white people is kind of not the deeper source of the problem. For the record, any crimes that have directly happened to me (in the US) or which I witnessed ( a shooting ) were by fellow whites.
    6. Sue says:
      
      December 10, 2013 at 1:58 pm
      
      musings, I heartily disagree. It’s precisely this blame whitey mentality which informs this black on black violence, which is not to say I care in the same way I do about black on white violence given that I happen to be white and a survivor of it.
      
      In these black run cities, black leaders and ‘concerned jews,’ and corporate interests (often comprised largely of ‘concerned jews’) run a racket. Monies get poured into these cities to allegedly combat poverty, but which are ultimately commandeered by the corrupt leaders and their minions. Black constituents are told their lack of resources are whitey’s fault. Black misbehavior is construed as a symptom of this faux ‘oppression,’ and the cycle continues, but it is one of corruption and anti-white hatred, not of ‘poverty.’
      
      Blacks are actually taught to hate whites and sometimes asians in these schools and communities. They blame them for everything even though the fault lies in their own depravity, as cultivated and carefully overseen by black and jewish ‘leaders.’ It is disgusting, and it then creates the black on black violence and black on white violence.
    7. truthchase says:
      
      December 11, 2013 at 10:41 am
      
      ANYONE WHO PRACTICES specieism,racism- anyone who uses creed,color,religion,species as an excuse to do harm to another is a racist/speciest – non of this has any place in any of these arguments . if you practice any of these forms of hatred you need to look in the mirror and check yourself . animal eaters ,racists ,speciests,haters,killers of every kind need to check themselves as it is this kind of harm & hatred towards others that is the cause of all of this . what part of “DO NO HARM” do so many of you miss the point ? if people would actually practice DOING NO HARM – we could possibly live through all of this – but until each individual decides to DO NO HARM- we are doomed and all due to the harm we inflict onto others .its a dam shame that so many cant see what they are causing , which in return is causing all of this. rule #1 DO NO HARM, rule #2 DO GOOD – wake up people , your example will be followed
    8. Patrick says:
      
      December 11, 2013 at 1:54 pm
      
      “animal eaters”?
2. Carl says:
  
  December 7, 2013 at 8:32 am
  
  The Danbury News Times transcription conveniently excludes an exchange within this conversation :
  
  CALLER: Something’s happening.
  
  OPERATOR 1: O.K. . . .
  
  Jen, hang up. I need you to get off that phone. Alright Rick? . . .
  
  Preceding OPERATOR 1’s comment to Jen telling her to hang up was this Operator 2- “There’s a rumor that it’s fake”
  
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  1. zemblanity1 says:
    
    December 7, 2013 at 8:57 am
    
    Carl, obviously they are not going to transcribe something that someone is heard saying in the background. It really is a non-issue that the phrase does not appear in the transcript.
    
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    1. Col. Bat Guano says:
      
      December 7, 2013 at 9:29 am
      
      And it would be ignored in a court of law. She can be commenting on anything really. Even though I do think it is interesting.
    2. Sandy says:
      
      December 13, 2013 at 12:11 am
      
      I have to wonder why the 911 operators are on speakerphone in the first place. You normally don’t hear the whole center’s activity. The operator and caller normally use headsets, and the recording captures individual calls. Why the ‘hive of activity?’ If it was to jack up the crisis – then it has backfired. There were more than seven calls.
    3. Col. Bat Guano says:
      
      December 13, 2013 at 1:28 am
      
      I’ve been listening to 911 calls on YT to compare with, and you are right, that is a good observation!
3. Sandy says:
  
  December 8, 2013 at 2:08 am
  
  OK Kathy, let;s focus on the calls for a moment:
  
  1. Newtown gave awards to their “HEROIC” 911 operators for handling over 150 calls per hour. They only released 7 calls. When public outcry ensued, they claimed that they only released land line calls and don’t have authority to release cell calls. Huh?
  
  2. The main caller, acting Custodian Rick Thorn (the regular custodian was not at work that day) was speaking from a hallway, and moving into different corridors so he was obviously on a cell phone. Despite agreeing that he had completed a search, he did not see any bodies or a shooter.
  
  3. Two teachers call from inside their rooms. The individual rooms were not wired for landlines per a local of Sandy Hook.
  
  4. Main 911 dispatch operator (Brophy? Nute?) makes odd statements to co-worker Jen, as she is overheard working another 911 line. He shuts her down with the following exchange”
  
  Jen: (in background) “There’s a rumor that it’s fake.”
  
  Boss: “JEN, I NEED YOU TO GET OFF THAT PHONE NOW!”
  
  We do not hear any of Jens 911 calls. Her boss also directs that they take one caller (representative call.) Odd.
  
  5. No callers saw any bodies. First caller didn’t hear shooting.
  
  Caller: “I think there is somebody in here shooting.” Wouldn’t you KNOW? She must not have heard the the front glass go, or reports any gunfire.
  
  6. Who says women don’t belong in combat? A teacher calls in and blandly reports that she was shot in the foot, but makes no comments regarding the who what why when and how. She is in a room with two other adults and children, but they aren’t too worried about her since they aren’t nearby. She should be hearing 150 blasts from a thundering assault rifle about 60 feet away, Operator asks if she is safe. Her reply: “I think so. My class room door is not locked.”
  
  7. One voice on one of the calls purporting to be a teacher is very recognizable as that of a crisis actor who has been touring the country making speeches on the need for a total gun ban. She does not work in the school.
  
  8. The police arrive within a couple of minutes, and show up in the corridor of the school – no preceding sirens are overheard. The caller only knows the are there from police radio chatter.
  
  9. The 911 operator who sounds like the boss does not appear to know how to use the phone system. At least four calls go unanswered. He accidentally hang up on Rick Thorn three times. Rick calls back repeatedly. Two callers are deliberately cut off with no questions asked by 911 as to the situation.
  
  10. No gunshots can be heard until after police are in the building and they do not correspond to the timeline. Police admit to shooting out the back doors and several windows to gain access to the building. Why was it necessary to shoot into a school full of children it the front was already blown wide open?
  
  11. Enhanced audio reveals clear evidence of layering (probably to cover Jen.) The first call is recorded and taped over itself. There is clear evidence of editing as well.
  
  12. How did Thorne miss seeing the bodies at the front?
  
  13. Love the niceties throughout. Here’s a favorite exchange to capture the harrowing nightmare:
  
  NEWTOWN OPERATOR: Hey, it’s Brophy from Newtown 911, how are you?
  
  OPERATOR STATE POLICE: Good.
  
  NEWTOWN OPERATOR: Did you guys hear what’s going on in Newtown right now?
  
  OPERATOR STATE POLICE: There’s an active shooting.
  
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  1. Kathy says:
    
    December 8, 2013 at 10:50 am
    
    All good observations – maybe we should let the judge know who demanded they be released that his order was defied. Oh wait, he heard them first. A recording device does not care or even have the intelligence to know if an incoming call is from a cell phone or a land line. Come to think of it, these recordings are nothing like 911 calls we here all the time shortly after real events. Imagine Brophy(?) and company sitting around a table with a tape recorder in the center and they are all calling each other! Bye bye!
    
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    1. lophatt says:
      
      December 8, 2013 at 8:57 pm
      
      Kathy, ha, ha, the “judge”. Here come da judge. This one’s all wrapped and “in the can”. We’re on our way to the “Grand Extravaganza” on the 14th. There will be Moonies, and Baha’i”s, and Satanists, and lions and tigers and bears, oh my. Bye Bye.
    2. musings says:
      
      December 9, 2013 at 11:55 pm
      
      Yes, it’s going to be a really sick anti-holiday. Boston of course has a lot of reciprocity with the whole Newtown thing, sponsored by the organized crime people in the charity collection business. I’m sure there will be Christmas decorations somewhere with names of victims on them – lest we forget.
  2. bewisetoday says:
    
    December 8, 2013 at 1:11 pm
    
    Really good observations, now we need to post them in the MSM where others can finally open their eyes and ears to these calls. What about real 911 operators? I’d love to hear from them. This must sound false to them as well.
    
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    1. Carl says:
      
      December 8, 2013 at 3:09 pm
      
      Did any operator ever ask a single time for the caller to describe or identify the shooter ? That is standard procedure normally
    2. Sandy says:
      
      December 8, 2013 at 7:33 pm
      
      I think it is also very telling that the 911 Operator doesn’t request the callers to identify themselves, including the woman who was shot in the foot. The first breathless thespian to call is left unidentified. Thorn seems to be the only one. The name of the caller is usually question one,and is absolutely fundamental standard 911 procedure.
      
      I followed Kath’s suggestion and was amazed to see another credible piece of key hoax evidence. Apparently, about five hours before the Active Shooter Drill, the frequencies for the entire Ct ER dispatch system were changed. The article includes screen shots from a Radio website. They hijacked the emergency response system that morning. Wow…
      
      Kath.. says:
      December 6, 2013 at 4:46 pm
      
      Considering that the Connecticut emergency dispatch system was shut down on Dec 14th, 2012- see link-
      
      http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/01/30/the-nexus-of-tyranny-the
  3. musings says:
    
    December 9, 2013 at 11:47 pm
    
    On #7 – please state how you know this was a crisis actor?
    
    Since every person’s voice can be identified as unique, has there been that type of analysis on hers? It would seem to cry out for widespread publication if you know that much about it. Maybe some of the others can be traced to specific people.
    
    You’d imagine that if any other nation’s intelligence services doubted these internal events in the US and really wanted the goods on us, they’d be on this.
    
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4. Carl says:
  
  December 8, 2013 at 11:31 am
  
  Some additional time line anomalies that seem noteworthy:
  
  Police Report Detailed Time Line
  
  http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/187058131?access_key=key-18ngzact0awbt2spjkay&allow_share=true&view_mode=scroll
  
  It appears at least 4 parents arrived at the time of the initial shooting.
  
  One parent arrived at 9:30 am and was buzzed in. What is interesting is that this parent was there for the entire event and only heard 15 shots ?
  
  At 9:35 am a parent (man) arrives and sees the window shot out and 9 kids running.
  
  At 9:36 am a parent (man) arrives hears shooting and runs on sidewalk- called 911 but 911 call never registered. (This may likely be Manfredonia)- keep in mind Mandredonia lived right behind Lanza and there was a report that his daughter may have been in Roig’s class. Roig’s class was spared despite being unlocked and the very first classroom in the hall.
  
  9:36:38 Parent (woman likely Sibley) arrives – sees kids at stop sign- window shot out and hears gunfire.
  
  9:36:38 Parent (woman-unamed) sees kids at stop sign- window shot out and hears gunfire.- runs away, ostensible with Sibley, and seeks cover by dumpster.
  
  The picture that accompanies this article is apparently Sibley, another woman and kid running away with an officer (State Trooper?). However the first officers did not yet arrive for several more minutes ?
  
  http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/05/sandy-hook-bizarre-new-evidence-of-strange-goings-on-video-2635576.html
  
  9:39:34 am Officer McGowan apparently confronts at Manfredonia running toward Crestwood. Maybe another person was fleeing also because he said “they’re coming at me down Crestwood”- So it took Manfredonia 3 and a half minutes to start running after he heard gun fire at 9:36 am ?
  
  9:49:07 am Police Transmission “shots fired about 3 minutes ago quiet at the time”- this is completely excluded from the official report time line.
  
  9:58:25 police radio you hear what appears to be “take the life of Adam”- not on official time line.
  
  Also where is the Ryan ID they used to falsely identify Adam as Ryan?
  
  Also wasn’t there a body in Hoboken that was quickly forgotten too ? Whatever happened to that ?
  
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  1. Carl says:
    
    December 8, 2013 at 11:36 am
    
    Also if in fact Manfredonia arrived at 9:36 am would he likely have run into the two women that arrived imminently thereafter ?
    
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Kathy says:

December 5, 2013 at 11:08 pm

In case you have not heard… http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/15556/

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Pascale Petit says:

December 6, 2013 at 1:19 am

I find strange that the operator keep on saying bye bye at the end of the calls…You kinda have a feeling that the operator is some how pretty new to this 911 call center situation (utrained kind of )…Out of hundreds of supposed calls, that guy Rick seems to have called often… I felt like I was listening to a Sears call center or something like that, not a 911 call center. I’ve never heard a 911 tape where the victims or witness acted as calm as this one. It’s not save to hear a 911call center that let the phone ring without answer. No screams…

The one question I have about this whole Sandy Hook thing is, why did only allowed on casket to be opened at the funeral (Noah’s)?

Why aren’t the people of SH talking?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCGDFUWVyG8&w=640&h=360

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1. musings says:
  
  December 6, 2013 at 10:06 pm
  
  Since when does a person calling 911 say “I caught a glimpse of someone” running by with a gun? I mean I live in New England. That isn’t anyone’s dialect. “I saw the goddamned fucker with a fucking gun” is more like it. Anywhere. “Get the hell over here as fast as you fucking can.”
  
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  1. musings says:
    
    December 6, 2013 at 10:07 pm
    
    Oh yes, and “Don’t spare the horses.”
    
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  2. Carl says:
    
    December 7, 2013 at 12:48 am
    
    I agree that was a very strange communication. “Why do you think there is shooting?” “Because I saw a guy with a gun and I caught a glimpse of him”? Ughhhhh….????? How about “He shot out the glass windows and shot the principal”?
    
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    1. musings says:
      
      December 8, 2013 at 12:40 am
      
      The communication is strange because it is unnatural.
      Imagine for a second there is an altercation in your own street, late at night, in a very quiet neighborhood. You decide to call 911. The altercation is so bad you are afraid one of the drunks is going to kill the other one. Even in a situation with strangers you are going to be more emotional than these actors.
      
      Now imagine you are an employee of a place where there are little children. Where is the urgency? Why are you on the line instead of trying to stop the gunman? Are you that much of a wuss? At least you should be screaming for back-up.
  3. Wondering Aloud (@WonderingAloud1) says:
    
    December 8, 2013 at 5:18 pm
    
    Some New Englanders pride themselves on *not* swearing like Melissa McCarthy did as the Boston Cop in the movie “Heat.” Others, talk that way **all the time**… and, even more so when under stress.
    
    Musings pretty much nailed it.
    
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Rhoda says:

December 6, 2013 at 3:06 am

Hi all.
I am not sure this is the best place to post this but I guess it is as good as any other article.
I have been reading this blog for close on a year now to see if I can be persuaded there is merit to the various theories put forward. My observations so far are:
1) Some of the bloggers would appear to be very well educated and have spent considerable time reading and researching the topics. The quality are arguments put forward are impressive, although, to me personally, not persuasive.
2) There is no consensus as to the events, for example 9/11 theories range from the “no-planers” to a Israeli / Jewish conspiracy or Sandy Hook was a hoax with no casualties to a government conspired gun control event with children sacrificed for the “cause”. I acknowledge that no community ever agrees on every detail but the diverse range does make me wonder.
3) The lack of any real evidence is a common thread across the recent events, including the Boston bombing and now even the recent train derailment is question. No evidence does not mean guilty.
4) Any evidence that provided, be it an eyewitness, associated party, photograph and now the Sandy Hook tapes are denounced as liars, photoshopped, actors, MSM conspiracy etc. Yet to back up many claims by the contributor’s links are provided to YouTube videos which are mostly, but not all, of questionable content and quality. Other links are to like-minded sites or writers which support the arguments put forward. Why would I believe the latter sources and not the former?
5) With reference to my first point the following are some examples of comments which are very difficult to take seriously:
• Look at the lady’s obviously photoshopped fingers clasped with the police officers – they are like two snakes wrapping around there! Bipsy 26/11/13
• Well, a janitor simply moved nine black 3 foot high letters that spell out “SANDY HOOK” in the trunk of a small vehicle and replaced them with the nine letters that spell out “CHALK HILL”, leaving the words “ELEMENTARY SCHOOL” in both places the same. John Luv 15/11/2013
• they dont have any 911 calls to release, that is pretty obvious. this was a TV SHOW just like all their other false flags ( san fran ‘plane crash’ -was also a TV SHOW- lax ‘shooting’- TV SHOW – boston ‘bombing’ TV SHOW held at a real event- washington navy yard ‘shootet’ TV SHOW – the list goes on of these made for TV FILMS .truthchase 13/11/2013.
• I think they are having fun with the LAX episode. Video of someone pushing a dummy, name of suspect CIAnCIA: violeta 11/11/2013
• Kathy, don’t forget that the Sandy Hook event took place in the morning hours. You can’t expect cops to answer phones while they are at the donut place, can you. Mary 4/12/2013.
• black groups knocking out and murdering innocent white victims for no reason other than the thrill of it. Kathy 5/12/13
6) I shall continue to read with some interest and curiosity further comments as events unfold. As an aside please define “schill” which appears to be the description of choice for those who disagree with the majority of contributors.

Have a blessed Christmas one and all. Greetings from Australia.

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1. Carl says:
  
  December 6, 2013 at 10:42 am
  
  Rhoda part of the perpetrators defense is to flood the net and news with disinformation to clutter the facts and discredit the truth movement. Hence the proliferation of professional shills.
  
  This guy explains it very well
  
  http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=amidst+the+noise
  
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  1. Sue says:
    
    December 6, 2013 at 1:02 pm
    
    Rhoda, I will take you at your word and presume you to be authentic until otherwise implicated. I haven’t noted issues with Kathy’s comments . I have at times found it difficult to understand or relate to what seems like a determination to find ‘issues.’ Some posters fixate on details that seem easily explained away. Some see so deeply into the motives of the hoaxers that they lose me. Taking a step back to check my own a priori assumptions sometimes loosens my incredulity. Often these hyper vigilant skeptics become more believable, sometimes not. One problem is that the types of people who don’t go along with authority often exhibit what truly can be a hyper vigilance. It seems par for the course for at least some posters who are not disinformants.
    
    Last, I’d direct you to Colin Flaherty’s website, WhiteGirlBleedALot if you remain skeptical about the Knockout ‘Game.’ which is really a vicious criminal meme among blacks in the US. There is a wealth of evidence that proves the existence of this pattern.
    
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    1. Kathy says:
      
      December 6, 2013 at 5:47 pm
      
      Thanks Sue, would not of known my name was mentioned in her comments as she lost me pretty quickly. Colin Flaherty has single handedly brought this black mob violence to the forefront and exposed the media’s clear agenda to stifle any news of it. 99% of the time, the violent criminals are black, 99% the victims are not. Reading the comments in the article I posted, you can clearly see the people are upset that race is not mentioned. When there is a bank robbery, don’t we get descriptions and video to assist the police in arresting the thieves? The media is actually calling these knockout crimes a hoax brought about by the media who is not reporting it! Considering how that fellow in FL was convicted by the media, the administration, the justice department and self promoting activists before trial, the double standard drives me crazy!
    2. mrmarkus says:
      
      December 8, 2013 at 4:01 am
      
      First of all if the knockout is a vicious criminal meme among blacks in the U.S as you put then why 90% of the males they charge and arraign for this crime are white males ?Dont go by what the media wants to tell you go by what the docket say and look at the records of who they charged its too easy to get brainwashed by the media
    3. Sue says:
      
      December 8, 2013 at 5:12 pm
      
      Source for this statistic, please?
    4. Kathy says:
      
      December 8, 2013 at 6:32 pm
      
      The problem has been the media has blatantly refused to cover these crimes for the most part until recently. Now that good old Al Sharpton has acknowledged this Polar Bear game is wrong, that has changed to some degree. Wonder why they call it that? Here’s a good article, read the comments and you will see real Americans acknowledge, mostly in urban areas with strict gun laws, it is not safe, it is a war zone. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/dec/4/harper-knockout-game-not-a-myth-to-liberal-sharpto/
2. Todd says:
  
  December 6, 2013 at 12:51 pm
  
  You are correct with the lack of evidence. Since the authorities have stonewalled and obfuscated the release of hard evidence in addition to threatening the public for disbelief, the public only has circumstantial press releases to go on. The corporate media within the five English-speaking countries of the world is now known for outright fabrication of a narrative in order to support unpopular political agendas. Many still see no hard evidence whatsoever of a crime occurring at SHES. All that’s left are anomalies within an event that authorities refuse to explain to the citizenry.
  
  This was done before:
  
  “Interviewed in 2006, Tony Rundle, Premier of Tasmania from 1996 to 1998, admitted that because there was no trial the evidence made public was possibly insufficient to support that Bryant had been the gunman” – wiki
  
  The biggest problem on the planet right now is not global warming. It’s global lying. Poverty and ignorance are intentionally created and managed for control over the herd.
  
  Social engineering and perception management have been an activity since the beginning of time for the ruling class. It pays quite well but always comes at the expense of massive human misery, death, and destruction. Individuals are either infused with the love of truth or they are not. And contention between the two sides is growing rapidly this very moment in time.
  
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  1. Todd says:
    
    December 6, 2013 at 1:29 pm
    
    Edit: Intentionally deceiving the public is neither savvy nor clever. It’s merely betrayal of trust. Marvel not at the blowback.
    
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  2. Col. Bat Guano says:
    
    December 7, 2013 at 3:59 am
    
    Agreed, global lying is the problem. I found this film, that I think illustrates the topic:
    
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGHg08LrQuc
    
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    1. Violeta says:
      
      December 8, 2013 at 7:32 pm
      
      Good find, Col. Bat Guano.
3. Bill Fred says:
  
  December 6, 2013 at 5:04 pm
  
  Rhoda, you are delirious. Try to keep a thought together for more than two sentences. #2 don’t mix Sandy Hook with 9/11 please. You say that there is no consensus because you have trouble sifting fact from dis-information. Releasing bogus info is part of their strategy, and you surely are drinking the Kool-Aid.
  
  9/11 Consensus – A&E for 9/11, 3 buildings were demolished with explosives and incendiaries, Niels Harrit and thermite, where did the buildings go?, Israel, our federal government is completely corrupt and controlled by shadow groups, Richard Grove, John O’neill. Do you want more consensus than that?
  
  I’ll stop here because your level of research is quite shallow, and you need to go back to the books before posting ridiculous posts like this one.
  
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4. Violeta says:
  
  December 6, 2013 at 5:23 pm
  
  Rhonda works for Tavistock. She’s trying to make us feel paranoid and foolish;-)
  
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  1. John Luv says:
    
    December 6, 2013 at 5:39 pm
    
    We all hit a nerve with Rhonda. There is no disinformation on this blog concerning Sandy Hook, all research is spot on. No one, and I mean no one, has been able to prove that this event happened at all, besides being a DHS drill
    
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    1. Wondering Aloud (@WonderingAloud1) says:
      
      December 6, 2013 at 7:45 pm
      
      If Rhonda’s still reading, here’s my 2 cents. I agree with John Luv, Sandy Hook was a DHS drill that was presented as a real event to the public in accordance with the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012, which allows the US Government to direct propaganda at the American Public.
      
      DHS is a tangle of contractors, many with ties to foreign countries which could best be described as frenemies to the US Government.
      
      If the perpetrators and participants in Sandy Hook believed they were acting on behalf of the “greater good,” they are dangerously wrong. To lie, especially on that scale and about the killing of children, is never the right thing to do.
    2. poppylavender says:
      
      December 7, 2013 at 1:34 pm
      
      Wondering Aloud you have touched on something here which I think could be the strategy of this event and I believe like you that the participants thought they were acting ‘ for a good purpose’.. How wrong could they be..
  2. lophatt says:
    
    December 8, 2013 at 9:01 pm
    
    How does one “qualify” to doubt? The very idea! Who do we think we are, Anderson Cooper? I’m so ashamed. I’ll get back in my place now. Bye, bye!
    
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5. Joel says:
  
  December 6, 2013 at 10:11 pm
  
  Rhoda, If you have truly been following this site for a year and are still unconvinced that there is something seriously wrong in these events then my guess is that you have some cognitive issues. I think that most people who post here are primarily asking for only one thing from the authorities; show us some evidence. In the commission of any crime, big or small, it is the evidence and only the evidence that matters in the final analysis. That is how juries decide guilt or innocence. If there is no evidence, as in the case of SH, then there is no crime. The pronouncements of highly suspect media figures do not constitute evidence. The burden of proof is always on the prosecution in a criminal case to convince us that a crime has been committed and who committed it. That is the way the justice system works here, as well as in your country. To date, the authorities have produced not a shred of hard evidence that any murders took place in that school.
  
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  1. lophatt says:
    
    December 8, 2013 at 1:03 am
    
    I would like to add to Joel’s comment, no one is obligated to believe or deny what the authorities tell them. I, like Joel, believe this is a total hoax. Like other hoaxes, different people key into different aspects of the operation. Some arguments are more compelling than others.
    
    All that said, finding fault with someone’s argument does not create a “default position” in favor of the media. In fact, those who would visit a site “for a year” and not like what people at that site were saying, strikes me as strange. There is no shortage of sites where one could go and “me too” to their heart’s content.
    
    Joel is quite correct in saying “to date, the authorities have produced not a shred of hard evidence…..”. “Me too”, I completely agree with that statement. If the “media” tell us that a school room full of nuns was trampled to death by a herd of purple giraffes, are we to believe that UNLESS we have “unassailable” evidence to the contrary? Just asking.
    
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Kathy says:

December 6, 2013 at 10:52 am

Find it interesting that the Drudge Report picked up this article. The comments are very telling. Of course the usual trolls are there but a large proportion are calling the hoax for what it is. There’s another good video there packed full of evidence! http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20131204/river-north/sandy-hook-benefit-concert-canceled-due-low-ticket-sales

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zephyranthos says:

December 6, 2013 at 11:52 am

Call 7, which begins at 9:44:00, has a clear, loud gunshot 2:59 minutes into it, followed by a distant rifle report at 3:00 (9:46:59 a.m. and 9:47:00 a.m. respectively). Yet Sedensky claims last shot fired at 9:40:03. NPD Officer Penna further states he personally heard a shot at the time he was running from Room 8 to Room 10; Sedensky himself places this time at exactly 9:51:31 a.m. which, incidentally, is also the precise time a shooter response team is entering Room 10 ahead of Penna. Penna hears a shot, and immediately turns around to get the child out of Room 8. The media are completely ignoring all three (likely four) of these shots. I say “likely four” because the officers storming Room 10 yelled, over the police radio, “CLEAR!” and “Suspect down!” two times in rapid succession.

The gunshot at 9:46:59 sounds exactly like the gunshots earlier in the call, making the media blackout on the later call even stranger. Some media “analyses” of the calls leave out Call 7 altogether.

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1. RWVMuse says:
  
  December 6, 2013 at 2:08 pm
  
  Makes me wonder what time they may have been saying “clear, suspect down” in their drill down the street that morning at the school shooter scenario.
  
  Didn’t Lanza shoot himself?
  
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  1. zephyranthos says:
    
    December 6, 2013 at 2:21 pm
    
    Many possibilities, including that Lanza was never there, and/or that the person police likely shot at 9:51:31 (and another time immediately after that) was a different shooter, or was not a shooter at all. And we have no idea whether either or both of those shots struck children, which would also be an incredibly sensitive issue.
    
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    1. Dudeashane says:
      
      December 7, 2013 at 1:53 pm
      
      You are taking these 911 calls too literally. They explain everything and that it was a drill
2. Carl says:
  
  December 7, 2013 at 1:07 am
  
  Excellent analysis Zeph- I also noticed the shot at 2:59 but not at 3. When did Penna say he heard a shot though ? One officer reported at about 9:49 am that last shots were fired 3 minutes ago so I started searching the 911 call for a shot in that time frame and found the 2:59 shot. The official story and time line is a bold faced lie. Piecing together the truth from what is available is the challenge. If Police were in the lobby at 9:45 am and Lanza is just a few feet away in room 10 (dead?) who is shooting at 9:46 am ? It does not line up ?
  
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  1. Zephyr says:
    
    December 10, 2013 at 11:26 pm
    
    Shot at 3 is very faint; loud shot at 2:59 on call 7 sounds like pistol, close. Faint shot at 3:00 sounds like rifle, possibly outside. There are multiple other cases like this, earlier in the call. At any rate, Penna heard a shot at 9:51:31 (in reality, probably two shots; police audio indicates two based on officers yelling “CLEAR!” and “Suspect down!” twice in rapid succession).
    
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Norm says:

December 6, 2013 at 12:06 pm

I don’t expect to convince anyone of anything by the comments that I will make. And I respect the viewpoints of everyone who has here posted on the issue of Sandy Hook. What I notice is that many of you have ‘already concluded’ that the shooting was a hoax. I’m not saying that there are not any good reasons for being suspicious of what is being claimed happened, or of the motives behind the manner in which that narrative is being spun, through ‘official’ channels.

Here is what I think I know about Sandy Hook: it may or may not have been a hoax. I’ve yet to come across a piece of evidence or pieces of evidence that when taken together are compelling in one direction or the other. About Sandy Hook, I know that for the time being ‘I do not know.’

My reasons for being suspicious of the official narrative being spun are roughly as follows: I know that the establishment is capable of anything, based upon a series of publicly admitted crimes that they have committed abroad and domestically, together with some not so publicly admitted but nevertheless historically ‘revealed and verified’ actions; it is also no secret that the establishment works very hard at manipulating public opinion in directions that best serve its interests, and the primary organs of that manipulation, apart from the educational system itself, are the MSM. In a nutshell, that summarizes my personal set of ‘contextualizing’ assumptions that pertain to my interpretation of what may or may not have happened in Sandy Hook. The story is in the first instance ‘dubious’ because it comes to me through channels that I know ‘exist’ for the express purpose, to paraphrase Edward L. Bernays, ‘of consciously and intelligently manipulating the organized habits and opinions of the masses,’ habits and opinions that inhabit ‘me’ no less than anyone else. In other words, I am suspicious of anything that comes to me out of the mouth of a known liar.

But what if Sandy Hook is a hoax? What of it? What does that reveal about the ‘establishment,’ in terms of its odious, sinister, and psychopathic nature that I did not already know? Is that more revelatory, say, than the documentary record of ‘Operation Northwoods,’ or of something like the comments made by Madeleine Albright on 60 Minutes, there for the whole world to ‘hear and see.’ What more do I need to convince an otherwise ‘rational and morally sane person’ that the ‘establishment’ is corrupt to its very core?

What I’m trying to say is, if ‘your’ purpose is to ‘wake people up’ to the ‘dark side’ of the establishment that rules over them, there are less controversial ‘proofs’ of that then the as yet ‘tenuous case that Sandy Hook is an ‘obvious’ hoax.’

If my purpose is to demonstrate the ‘illegitimate’ nature of the system of government that now lords it over the entire world, I think I am best to go with better-established and less controversial ‘evidence,’ of which there is plenty. And if the more ‘obvious and less controversial’ evidence does not manage to persuade someone I know remains naively approbative of the current system of rule, I think it safe to say that I can be sure that at this moment in time the claim that Sandy Hook was a hoax, let alone a real possible false flag (which by far would be more ‘chilling’ than a ‘hoax’), will have even less of a chance of awaking that person to the reality of the extreme brutality and undemocratic nature of the reigning system of government.

To recap the point I want to emphasize: there are currently, I believe, more damaging – because less controversially established – revelatory ‘facts’ about the establishment than the hoax that ‘might be’ Sandy Hook. On the other hand, Sandy Hook may indeed be a hoax, and a hoax well worth unmasking, and those who can should continue with their efforts to that end. No question. More work needs to be done, however. I don’t think that the matter is at this point in time quite ‘obvious’ or settled. ‘We’ need to be careful about what ‘we’ claim to ‘know’ in contrast to what we ‘believe’ or ‘suspect,’ however well-grounded that ‘belief’ or ‘suspicion’ might be. Otherwise, ‘we’ risk discrediting ‘ourselves’ in the minds of other equally ‘reasonable’ people if we rush to conclusions. It is better to take our time and come to a well measured and higher probability of certainty.

And because I feel uncertain as to whether children died on that day, I wish that people would be a bit more mindful of what they ‘say’ or ‘write’ about the people who ‘may’ have experienced grievous losses on that day. Why take the chance of compounding the immeasurable loss that a ‘parent’ or ‘sibling’ may have actually experienced? I think that some comments go a bit too far given the uncertainties that still hang over this entire affair. Children may have died. That remains a possibility for all you in fact know. Let us hope that it was a hoax.

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1. zemblanity1 says:
  
  December 6, 2013 at 1:00 pm
  
  You can count me in as someone who believes that this whole thing was a hoax. For awhile I thought it could be a false flag, with deaths, but I don’t see that as a possibility anymore. It took time and a lot of research to come to this conclusion. I certainly did not jump to it. There was never a single piece of evidence, or lack of, that caused me to come to the conclusions that I did but rather the culmination of many many pieces of evidence as well as lack of evidence that led me to my conclusions.
  
  It is beyond concerning how tptb are using this hoax to transform society. It goes far beyond gun control and the fleecing of innocent, kind hearted people’s pocketbooks who were moved by emotion, rather then logic and gave money to the perpetrators of this fraud. If you can believe that all of these parents lost their children and were unable to shed a single tear, then so be it. It defies human nature. As do so many other elements to this story.
  
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  1. Norm says:
    
    December 6, 2013 at 2:08 pm
    
    Hi zemblanity1,
    
    Your points are well taken. I’ve yet to come to terms with this whole thing, to think my way through the available evidence as carefully as you perhaps have.
    
    Given what I think I understand so far about Sandy Hook, it would be premature for me to conclude anything.
    
    I, and not anyone else, would be the one ‘jumping to conclusions,’ given the state of my current ‘comprehension’ over the matter.
    
    I’ll continue to listen to and mull over the ‘evidence’ as being discussed and analyzed, here and elsewhere.
    
    On the other hand, if it is already an ‘open and shut case,’ why does the discussion, the analysis, the collating of ‘evidence’ continue? If the conclusion is already ‘indubitable’ on the basis of what is already known, why continue the effort?
    
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    1. zemblanity1 says:
      
      December 6, 2013 at 3:02 pm
      
      I think that a lot of people have stopped talking and posting about Sandy Hook who were initially very interested. You can see a definite decrease in interest and discussion compared to 6 months ago. My interest has certainly waned. When the summary recently came out, I had very little interest in reading it because I believe it’s just more fake information coming from those responsible. I think that many who have come to the same conclusion as myself know that short of a smoking gun, most people will keep on believing that it was real.
      
      I really don’t talk about Sandy Hook to anyone in my real life because I realize it’s futile to try and convince others of something of this magnitude. I’m also not interested in convincing others on the internet. I am however interested in discussion People who are interested enough will weigh the evidence and come to conclusions at their own pace and based on what makes the most sense to them.
      
      This is not an open and shut case but I will say that when all of the evidence and lack of evidence is examined closely, all signs point to hoax, in my opinion. People have been convicted on far less. I will continue to discuss in forums such as this, on topics directly related to Sandy Hook because I find it interesting. You still see people taking about JFK and you still see people talking about 911. I don’t see this as being much different.
    2. Col. Bat Guano says:
      
      December 7, 2013 at 3:04 am
      
      “I think that a lot of people have stopped talking and posting about Sandy Hook who were initially very interested. You can see a definite decrease in interest and discussion compared to 6 months ago.”
      
      when I checked my inbox just now, in 10 hours there has been 37 entries on this article. This hoax is a very hot topic I would argue!
    3. zemblanity1 says:
      
      December 7, 2013 at 8:41 am
      
      Yes, Col Bat Guanao. It still is a hot topic but there has been a decrease from the initial interest from some who do believe it was a hoax. Read Sandy Hook Truth Blog lately? It used to be very active. Now, not so much.
    4. lophatt says:
      
      December 7, 2013 at 10:24 pm
      
      Zem, people have short attention spans. Especially when speaking the truth results in ridicule. I think it is important to say that nobody “wanted” to be an outlier and call it what it was, a hoax. Just like “The 9-11 Movie” it was easy to see it was a hoax early on. The particulars took much longer.
      
      The fact that these things tend to result in helping establish a mentality that basically says “you’re obligated to believe what the media tells you, without question”, is more alarming. Faith-based journalism.
      
      As I continue to say, these operations always have multiple goals. The gun confiscation is just the most obvious one. The more compelling one is the “modeling” aspect. The state-sanctioned “reaction” to adversity.
      
      I, for one, have not lost interest in this. It is not encouraging, however, to see that this will remain unexposed. I’ve said before that I believe that a large part of this drill involved convincing the “eaters” that this happened with no, or very suspect “evidence”. That was one of the primary purposes of the drill.
      
      The alleged tapes are a case in point. Of course they do not prove anything. They do not seem at all convincing. It sounds like a guy playing custodian to a girl playing dispatcher. That’s because it is.
      
      When analyzing the carefully-crafted emotion shots with the “voice of authority” narrative in the original drama, it is obvious that elements of the drill (or previous drills) were interspersed. I’m sure that these tapes were either part of that event (the drill) or created/adjusted later to fit the scenario.
      
      I’ll keep speaking out about this, as well as the others. At the end of the day it is insulting. None of us are under any obligation to swear fealty to a lie. None of us are obligated to “believe” anything. It all boils down to those of us who will be willingly manipulated and those who will resist.
    5. zemblanity1 says:
      
      December 8, 2013 at 1:18 am
      
      “As I continue to say, these operations always have multiple goals. The gun confiscation is just the most obvious one. The more compelling one is the “modeling” aspect. The state-sanctioned “reaction” to adversity.”
      
      Very well said, Lophatt. I do find this goal to be extremely concerning. Reality is being manipulated and our natural, human reactions are being hijacked and replaced with “new and improved” state sanctioned thoughts and reactions. It’s working.
      
      I’m also still very interested in Sandy Hook but I go through periods where I feel very discouraged and cynical. It’s disheartening to know that this will not likely ever be exposed. I still can’t seem to let it go though. It’s like a good book that I just can’t bring myself to close. I’ve already learned so much from this and there is still so much more.
  2. musings says:
    
    December 6, 2013 at 6:50 pm
    
    I can see from my vantage point two things which are being messed with by the BMB – 1) The federal court system, where Dzokhar Tsarnaev is going to be put through a show trial. Is it significant that kids who knew him at Rindge and Latin in Cambridge, and who showed up to watch his arraignment, noted that he talked with a funny accent, when the kid they knew (who arrived in the US at 8 or 9) had like all such pre-puberty immigrants developed a perfectly local accent. So the idea is they are going to try a hoaxer and make the whole legal thing a fake, based on fake evidence —- this is a coup of sorts, a major coup —- because it will mean that forever after, no one can believe there will be real trials in such a court; 2) MIT has had to go through the motions of Boston Strong Collier and raise a memorial to the cop, while (without the slightest evidence) bowing their heads in belief and saying his alleged death under suspicious circumstances is tied to the Marathon – what, they’re going to have admit they’ve been tricked?
    
    So as with 9/11, more institutions have been corrupted in a most foul and disgusting manner.
    
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    1. lophatt says:
      
      December 8, 2013 at 1:15 am
      
      Musings, that is very true. I believe that is another aspect of these operations like Sandy Hook. “Reality” is what is on TEE VEE. In truth we live in a time a place where “trials” are often not conducted. When they are, and given some significance, they are but another opportunity to further manipulate.
      
      We don’t even know for certain we are actually observing a “trial” when they put one of these things on TV. “Holmes”, for example, doesn’t even look like old pictures of him. His eyes are even of a different color. Where are his parents? Why isn’t anyone interviewing them?
      
      The reporter, Hastings (?), is extremely suspicious. The examples are legion. You cannot reconcile what we are seeing with living in a “free country” because we are not. Respect for the rule of law is non-existent with the politicians and it flows down to the rabble. The only difference is that the rabble get shot or go to jail.
      
      I’m afraid we’re not looking at some future, the future is here.
Carl says:

December 6, 2013 at 12:30 pm

Censored From the Newtown Patch Today:

911 Sandy Hook Dispatcher Told Attack was Fake ?

This needs to be seriously investigated who exactly told the 911 dispatcher (Jenn) the reports of the attack on the school were fake ?

No wonder Sedensky did not want to release these calls.

Another caller conformed that there were multiple shooters as well.

Inserted youtube video quoting Jenn and Nute exchange “rumor it’s fake”

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1. Patrick says:
  
  December 6, 2013 at 12:57 pm
  
  “This needs to be seriously investigated”
  
  Not really. The calls are obviously themselves fake.
  
  “No wonder Sedensky did not want to release these calls.”
  
  Silly man. There were no calls to release.
  
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  1. Carl says:
    
    December 6, 2013 at 1:41 pm
    
    Patrick do you have any ideas as to the motive for the Sandy Hook hoax and whom might be responsible ?
    
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    1. Patrick says:
      
      December 6, 2013 at 2:31 pm
      
      I have a few. But who cares? My speculations are of no consequence.
      
      Whenever a spectacle of this nature is presented, there is a strict sequence of steps we must adhere to. We cannot allow ourselves to jump ahead.
      
      Step 1: Did anything actually happen? In the case of 911, the answer is YES. We know that because the buildings went away.
      
      In the case of Sandy Hook, the only real evidence we have indicates that nothing happened.
      
      Step 2: If something did in fact happen, WHAT happened? In the case of 911, I believe Judy Wood explains the evidence best, but many people have offered other interpretations of the evidence–but all agree that something happened. How did the buildings cease to exist? we are still at that stage of the investigation.
      
      In the case of Sandy Hook, since there is no evidence a massacre took place, we are stuck at this stage.
      
      The next steps involve who? how? and why? In the case of 911, there is still no good reason to jump to those stages of the investigation at this point. It is clear that the evidence indicates that the official story is completely false, but since the various factions have such different arguments as to what happened, the Who, How and Why questions remain dependent on the truth about the What Happened? question.
      
      So I am cautious at this point about Sandy Hook. We know, based on the evidence we have, and the fake evidence we have been given, that the story has to be a fabrication. We can all speculate as to who would do such a thing, why they would do it, and how they could get people to participate in the hoax. And I’m glad people do speculate that way. But I am not one of them.
      
      I like to stand outside the narrative, and observe. When I know the facts don’t fit the story, I don’t mind pointing it out.
      
      Sorry if that is not helpful for you, but I can only speak about what I am confident about.
    2. Carl says:
      
      December 7, 2013 at 6:24 am
      
      Patrick you can’t prove the towers came down. David Copperfield made the Statue of Liberty disappear so how hard would it be to do the same with the Towers? 911 was a complete hoax. No planes, no towers, no victims. One small issue though in the hoax theories – where did all the dead people go? Where did all the passengers on the planes go ? Where did all the victims at Sandy Hook go? So nobody was killed ? Great then it should be easy to get a current picture of Dawn Hochsprung or one of the other 27 people that died. Let me know how you make out with that. Keep up the great investigative work you are doing.
    3. truthchase says:
      
      December 7, 2013 at 9:54 am
      
      carl, i think i smell a shill , cause either you are a shill or you have missed the boat completely and have done zero research on this subject at all. NON of these ‘sandy hook’ people even exsisted – actors carl , all actors , there is ZERO proof that ANY of these people actually exsisted , there is ZERO PROOF that sandy hook was even an operating school . Where are the 600 students that attended this ‘school’? where are the 1,200 parents of these children that attended this ‘school’? there is ZERO PROOF that this was anything other then a CFR ( counsel of foreign realtions) TV SHOW . You are aware Carl that there are only 5 media outlets in the united states and that CFR members control all 5 of these media outlets arnt you ? there is nothing on the TV that is not done for the agenda . there is no such thing as a journalist on the TV , the TV has ACTORS on it – it is fantasy land carl , same as sandy hook is fantasy land , a TV SHOW . there is no better MIND CONTROL DEVISE then the TV, the general population can be controlled by this boob tube sitting in the corner in almost every house hold in the world . its nothing more then a mind control box http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJNgm4kM24s
    4. Col. Bat Guano says:
      
      December 7, 2013 at 10:42 am
      
      Here’s one “victim” that appears to have, or does, exist. What we do not have is evidence for is any deaths. Something did happen on that day, but we do not know what.
      
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTYzXOtNd3U
    5. Patrick says:
      
      December 7, 2013 at 8:53 am
      
      Odd. I have never before hear it argued that the buildings are still there.
      
      How did they fit the new one in that space, if the old ones never went away? And how do people keep going to work in the old ones if they are kept on being made invisible?
    6. zemblanity1 says:
      
      December 7, 2013 at 8:54 am
      
      Carl said, “One small issue though in the hoax theories – where did all the dead people go? Where did all the passengers on the planes go ? Where did all the victims at Sandy Hook go? So nobody was killed ? Great then it should be easy to get a current picture of Dawn Hochsprung or one of the other 27 people that died.”
      
      Carl, you really are going to need put more thought into all of this if this is your biggest argument for this being a real shooting.
    7. Patrick says:
      
      December 7, 2013 at 9:26 am
      
      As for Sandy Hook, I gather you’re kind of new around here. There has been a lot of discussion on each of the items you mention, much of it very illuminating. Perhaps you should take the time to read through the archives and catch up.
      
      Much of the material involves the seemingly inevitable conclusion that all of these people were actors, many of them moved to the town a couple of years ago; the idea is that this was VERY long in the planning and set-up phases. Once the trap was sprung, they proved to be very poor at simulating grief, but evidently they were admirably skilled at pretending to be normal transplants to a small town.
      
      Is this the best analysis? As I said, I am reluctant to speculate. I am not doing, as you say I am, investigative work. I await the results others produce.
      
      What we DO know, and I have stated it very clearly here many times, is that there is no physical evidence that anything happened; it seems very probable that there has never existed a person called Adam Lanza; it is almost certain that the building itself was not in use and had not been for some years; all of the activity seen in video footage outside the building is more than highly unusual–none of it indicates that a massacre had just taken place; no first responders were allowed into the building to hopefully save the lives of those who were merely injured; no photographic evidence of the inside of the building was produced (probably because the place had been mothballed for years, and perhaps never was used as a school).
      
      These things we know. I could list more, but you get the picture.
      
      We also know that a real weirdo who supposedly lived just down the street, Gene Rosen, told the most preposterous imaginable, over and over. This was so creepy, and so obviously false, that there had to be a reason for it. I don’t know what that reason is.
      
      We know that no purported member of the families shed any tears while being interviewed; some of them pretended to (badly), some were astonishingly cheerful in the immediate aftermath; one was both at the same time–Robbie Parker (I hope he was paid a bonus for that remarkable trick).
      
      If we had seen any photographic evidence–at all–that people died, it would be a different conversation. If all the stuff we DID see did not look so obviously fake, we would not be having this conversation.
      
      As I said, I do not know who produced this hoax, why they did it, or how they got so many people to participate in the charade, and I am loathe to speculate so soon in the investigative process.
      
      As I also said, we are still stuck at stage 2 of the investigation of 911, 12 years later.
      
      I don’t know why Judy Wood’s excellent research into the actual event of 911 is vilified and ignored (although I can speculate), but if she is correct (and I believe she is), it was a demonstration of weaponized Tesla technology. So the “who” would be the people who have that capability, i.e. the same secret government who has absconded with trillions of dollars and used them to build secret, deep underground military bases. The “why” is harder to guess, but it certainly has to do with what they have planned for our future. The “how did they get so many people to participate” question is even tougher, and I won’t even hint at a speculation.
      
      If the thermite/thermate crowd is correct about the “what happened” question, the “who,” “why” and “how” questions will be answered differently.
      
      Since Sandy Hook is so obviously fraudulent, and so poorly acted, its very shamelessness must be part of the point of the activity. As many people here have pointed out, it’s too stupid to believe, so there has to be a reason for the stupidity; they COULD have put on a better show if they had wanted to. And certainly Gene Rosen would have been cut at the casting call. But they hired Gene, and used him extensively. Why do you think that is? Maybe it was a test to see how gullible the country is, which is to say, how stupid we have become. Seems like a reasonable conjecture.
    8. John says:
      
      December 7, 2013 at 3:22 pm
      
      Patrick,
      
      It’s a shame that more people aren’t familiar with Judy’s book, Where Did the Towers Go?, as I find it the most fascinating and carefully detailed 9/11 presentation currently available. Perhaps the $45 tab is more than most people want to invest in the subject… but, for anyone who really is serious about researching what happened on that day, I think it’s a must read.
    9. Carl says:
      
      December 7, 2013 at 6:09 pm
      
      Truthchase I agree with almost everything you said. The media controls most of the idiots in this country.
      
      I don’t believe the official story. Where we go our separate ways is asserting that all deaths were faked and everything was staged. I do believe this event was planned and managed in great detail to recreate the Dunblane incident to garner support to confiscate firearms and destroy the 2A. I believe Lanza was a patsy.
      
      Yes there is a lack of blood, emotions, triage evidence, bodies etc. However a lack of evidence is not evidence. As I said if all deaths were faked it should be easy to photo a current “survivor”
      
      The reality is that some of you make your armchair quarterback comments with no basis but I am the only one that goes to Sandy Hook and the surrounding towns to interview the residents and assess what is really going on down in the trenches. The reality is there were real people involved as victims that are not around anymore. Did I see their dead bodies ? Did the hospital staff lie to their spouses and families when they told about how they treated the victims?
      
      I have serious doubts about the injuries to the survivors and their stories as well as the weapons allegedly used.
      
      If the script was a lone crazed gunman with NRA certificates then all of the “published evidence” would point to that and much of it does. But why would they muddy it up with a real SWAT guy caught in the woods? Or a kindergarten teacher’s son as the shooter? Or a nurse hiding in a closet for 4 hours? Or a time line that does not reconcile to the radio ?
      
      Would you like a theory ? Someone provided this postulate to which I concur :
      
      Motive – Garner public support for Gun confiscation. Punish embarrass, intimidate and ostracize the NRA and gun owners.
      
      Method- recreate Dunblane and the political results. Have a kindergarten teacher’s son familiar with school, escape routes and security procedure lead a team to perform the execution. (fake the deaths or make real deaths – you decide). Use local young adult with socialization and mental issues as a Patsy. This will justify a mental health assessment for all gun owners. Since 90 percent of the public is on Prozac, Zoloft or Paxil the government will be free to seize almost any household’s firearms on the pretense that the owners had mental issues.
      
      What does the available evidence suggest ?
      
      Someone suggested googling Sandy Hook + Kindergarten teacher’s son and I did that and found a great deal of material that integrates the available evidence, reports and circumstances.
    10. lophatt says:
      
      December 8, 2013 at 5:43 pm
      
      Carl, actually a disproportionate percentage actually “went up”, and away. I don’t think even David Copperfield can accomplish that. I’m afraid we are not allowed to suspend the laws of physics even when the PTB want to stage an event.
    11. Dan Hennen (@dmhennen) says:
      
      December 6, 2013 at 6:45 pm
      
      Carl, The building was filled with asbestos and this scenario was an excellent way to get a new $50M school built for free and quickly demolish the building and make everyone working on that sign agreements to secrecy. Rather than get hit with a large lawsuit from the parents, the scene is set for a mass-student murder to tug at the American Sheeple’s heart-strings and demand gun control. And hundreds of millions of people bought this entire story without thinking twice….
    12. musings says:
      
      December 6, 2013 at 6:55 pm
      
      I think you could draw a logical inference here. Would that beat-up old school have been tolerated if (like others of its age) it was full of asbestos? In one of the richest parts of the US? With that crap play equipment? Would they even have been able to put it over on the parents? Would it have landed them in court? No to all of the above except the last. Therefore, the school was a shell.
Patrick says:

December 6, 2013 at 12:46 pm

“Why take the chance of compounding the immeasurable loss that a ‘parent’ or ‘sibling’ may have actually experienced? I think that some comments go a bit too far given the uncertainties that still hang over this entire affair. ”

Things are tough all over.

Maybe the NFL should be put out of business, by this logic. Some people get hurt. Life, we call it.

Look. The facts are completely screwy. The official story is completely, obviously, a lie. No first responders allowed into an obviously unused building. The medical examiner had apparently dropped acid before performing a theater of the absurd “press conference” that mystifies even today, a year later (the laughs are easier to enjoy now, which is a bonus). The slaughtered babes, unseen by their parents, absconded with, Dr. Frankenstein-style, in the wee hours of the next morning, was if that’s normal. It’s all nuts.

If you want people like me to extend the benefit of the doubt, Norm, because there is one in a trillion trillion trillion possibility that the official story might be true, in deference to the hapless relatives of the unlikely victims, well, nuts to that.

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Mark says:

December 6, 2013 at 12:54 pm

Kathy’s gratuitous linking of Sandy Hook with black gangs attacking innocent Whites for the thrill of it illustrates not only her own poisonous racism but, more important, the racist basis of the Republican right and the Teabaggers. The implication that Sandy Hook is a diversion for the media avoid reporting that Black gangs are attacking Whites is an example of the kind of comments by the viewers of Alex Jones that illustrate their gutter racism. It is the more sophisticated and subtler racism of the Dem leftish which leave these comments unopposed, and in effect legitimating them.

The War on Terrorism is largely driven by this racism, the killing of hundreds of thousands of dark-skinned Muslims to steal their oil, homes and other property and power. The mass homicide is usually directed against non-White persons, and America as wellhas a tradition of racial lynching that was exemplified in the Trayvon Martin killing. The lynching is Whites murdering non-Whites for the thrill of it, Kathy’s inversion being typical of racist justifications. The lynch mentality indoctrinated in the American White people is most easily directed outward against Foreigners, in foreign policy, conflating racism and Patriotism.

The homicidal racism historically has often had a religious ideological basis, the current cultural-ethnic racism against Muslims being instilled in both Jewish and Christian churches. It is engrained in the perverted moral values of the Old Testament. Not only is religion and Patriotism ideologically conflated, but now anti-government libertarianism is included as well, as illustrated by Kathy’s absurd and infantile comment that the government is destroying the medical system to establish socialism.

These are all Faith-based assertions, since religion traditional promotes power delusions that is not based on evidence or reason, and are often grossly implausible.. And this kind of religious-political-economic intellectual drivel contaminates a fourth to a third of the American people, who believe it emotionally and are consequently not amenable to reason or fact. The only way to deal with it is to confront Patriotism, primitive religion, and anti-government economics, and this the leftish establishment does not do. So they legitimate these emotional truths by their learned and professional silence, creating a perverted American truth consensus that allows the multi-billionaire plutocracy to drive the American people into the ground.

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Marilyn Jay A. says:

December 6, 2013 at 4:05 pm

Hmmm…I closed the book on Sandy Hook and 9/11 long ago. Both were inside jobs but the surfacing facts continue to fascinate because I love a good mystery. Am thinking about writing one for the fun of it. It would exercise my old (and I am not speaking metaphorically) brain cells.

But more to the point, Violetta asked if the mind control center in England–Tavistock Institute–was somehow connected to the Royal Institute for International Affairs; aha! It is and definitely has the finger prints of social engineering that TRIIA has championed since TI’s inception, in 1921. Ran across this book on Tavistock that might tie in with our conumdrum re strange phenomana surrounding these other-worldly events no one can explain. A must read!

http://www.amazon.com/review/R1DQTSXHI19TLU/ref=cm_cr_pr_viewpnt#R1DQTSXHI19TLU

Far from confusion, my positiion is that we are being diverted from the bigger picture. The elites are playing mind games and we are their mice.

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1. Marilyn Jay A. says:
  
  December 8, 2013 at 7:08 am
  
  Have indulged my curiosity a little more and wish to share a few afterthoughts…The book on Tavistock touches (via the table of contents) on England’s idea of a Brave New World. Most chapters
  seem solid in foundation. I do take exception with the theory that England was all-powerful, especially post-WW1–in control of the US and Russia, et al. Are we to suppose other countries were not engaged in mind-control techniques or experimental political hijinks?
  
  Cecil Rhodes was one more robber baron with delusions of grandeur who wanted to parlay his fotune into god-like omnipotence. He just happened to be British. The British dominated the world for several centuries. That does tend to give the native born a sense of invulnerabililty. Some American billionaires suffer from the same high self-esteem that seems to trump the moral fiber most humans have cultivated–perhaps as a survival tactic. We form civil societies for a reason.
  
  Money separates us from responsibility to others and from our better angels. With that premise in mind, check out this link on the Prussian model dating back to the mid-to- late nineteenth century. Anglo-Americans weren’t the only tribe with expansionism on the agenda.
  
  http://germanywatch.blogspot.com/2011/08/german-subversion-methods-stieber.html
  
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  1. Marilyn Jay A. says:
    
    December 8, 2013 at 7:38 am
    
    And in closing, I am curious re Alex Jones sudden embrace of his ethnicity, using his middle name Erlich–mother’s maiden name– now when identifying himself. When I posted links on Infowars to spitfirelist which expanded my knowledge on realpolitik (opposed to propaganda), Jones’ editorial content stepped up infowars’ defense, it seemed, of Germany’s post-war shenanigans. War is hell and all sides were complicit in criminal activity, but some crimes stand out in bas relief, remembered for their pointless destruction of life. I don’t want to get into a “your crime trumps our crime” debate. Suffice to say, war is an insane human practice.
    
    We in the US did kill off our indigenous Indian people but saying Hitler used it as a template, excusing his own rapacious genocide won’t fly. Without personal accountabilty, there is no civilization. Nothing wrong with singing praises of ethnicity, but you can’t change history by rewriting it or ignoring facts. Is, as some have suggested, Kurt Nimmo a’proto-nazi’?
    
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    1. lophatt says:
      
      December 9, 2013 at 12:08 am
      
      Marilyn, I don’t want you to misunderstand this but I both agree and disagree with what you’ve said (I think). I find it odd that we tend to identify as nations with certain “villains”. The people of Germany, just like the people of the United States, did not ask their particular villain to do anything.
      
      For example, we are marauding away in the Middle East and I don’t recall ever asking those in government to do that. In fact, I don’t like it. Why won’t they stop? If they don’t stop will I be responsible?
      
      Psychopaths from the beginning of time have occupied “leadership” positions. That’s easy to understand. When it is time for blame, their alleged “followers” get to pick up that tab. It doesn’t appear necessary that they may not have been “followers” at all.
      
      World War II, believe it or not, was not “about the Jews”. That’s not entirely correct, but it would take a book to better explain that one. I don’t really see much similarity between the American genocide of the natives and the German persecution of Jews. Both were wrong but, over time it is not obvious exactly what form those actually took.
      
      I’m not sure that Germans have some predisposition toward racist behavior. I’m not German, by the way, so that doesn’t effect my thinking much. I do know that they were subject to a very raw deal at Versailles and the people who were prominent in that were Jewish bankers. I really think that had more to do with WWII than racism or some goofy attempt to rid the country of Jews. I think he would not have been alone in that desire if he had it. Their economy was foremost on their minds at the outset.
      
      I think the American genocide was pure greed. There was racism, alright, in that they didn’t consider the natives human. I think that’s pretty disgusting but I don’t think that is due to some genetic imperfection in American’s of European descent. I think that is a basic ugly trait that arises everywhere at all times when “groups” live in proximity to each other. As bad as it appears now it is infinitely better than it has been in the past. Hatred is unacceptable, period, in my book.
      
      And lastly, yes, Alex Jones is a piece of work. I posted once on his site years ago. I lasted roughly fifteen minutes before he banned me. Funny thing is, I read and reread my post and I still don’t see anything wrong with what I said. It’s a great place for people who want to live in Alex’ head.
  2. Patrick says:
    
    December 8, 2013 at 11:56 am
    
    This article will interest you, Marilyn: http://www.garynorth.com/public/11822.cfm
    
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    1. Marilyn Jay A. says:
      
      December 8, 2013 at 2:03 pm
      
      Patrick, I looked up info on the Von Mises Institute and found Gary North’s opinions fairly well coincided with the libertarian/conservative philosophy of economics. So it does not surprise me he is foresquare opposed to public education. I did find the read most illuminating. However. I think homeschooling should be an option, with no state sponsored harassment or legal entanglements. Since it does generally fall within the precepts of a given religious doctrine, that is covered by the First Amendment.
      
      Having said that, I will defend free public schooling (but the ‘free’ part is under duress with funding down in all areas) on grounds that it does allow for the have-nots to at least get their foot in the door of opportunity.
      My own mother praised the Ohio State laws that presented free books to her children. Public schools were meant to educate the masses; that proposition does not sit well with those who want a stratified society.
      
      The problem occurs when men of means and stature decide to rewrite the laws to conform with their vision of an ordered society. Progress at the time when Mann and others set the agenda was a departure from orthodox strictures imposed by religion. For centuries, people fought for separation of church and state. Seems we have come back around to realizing there are no panaceas. Each generation must deal with looming excess and reestablish rights of personal choice. The public school system of today,in few respects, resembles the vision of its major founders, IMO. Perhaps they really wanted an order that was contrary to the higher callings of the human spirit, of individuality and exercise of free will. Adopted from the Prussian model, where adherence to regulations and collective obeyance was primary, education became in the US, as North points out, a religous obsession.
      
      But then the whole country is caught in the crossfire of changing paradigms. We deal with them one-by-one.
    2. musings says:
      
      December 8, 2013 at 7:19 pm
      
      Just want to say I appreciate your remarks about the Sisyphean efforts necessary to keep things fair in this country. I agree that public schools have at various times and places in this country had a very positive effect on people and brought them into the literate middle classes, perhaps assimilating immigrants, but indeed allowing us to converse in a common language with similar knowledge we could draw upon. Anyone with a sense of history knows that this can be abused, but its absence in places like the Deep South produced gross discrepancies and society of layers which didn’t communicate with each other so much as give and take orders. Of course coal-mining towns in Pennsylvania were not much better. At different times, people have had the confidence that when they were advocating “progress” or “equality” it was relatively benign and they worked together for things they felt they shared. Yes, Norman Rockwell illustrated a mellow society that didn’t exist everywhere, but you cannot say it existed nowhere, that it was a mere Utopia.
      
      I bought an old geography book for its Art Deco cover, published by Silver Burdett with University of Chicago education specialists in 1924. As luck would have it, it arrived soaking wet in the mail (a rare enough occurrence – I like having a postal service). I wrote to the guy I bought it on eBay and he said “Don’t throw it out. Read it.” So I did. It is brilliantly conceived to introduce 4th graders to world geography. I was astonished that when the editors said they would emphasize a study of the most important countries, pretty much in the order of importance, I was bowled away by their choice for the first one: Iraq. Why? Because Western Civilization was believed in those days to have arisen between the Tigris and Euphrates. There is so much care to take the student along on a journey on those rivers, to go back and forth between ancient and modern. And to state this thesis: our societies develop out of our geography. It is a very down-to-earth book, in great contrast to the grandiose sense we have derived since the age of satellites and television, the almost magical sense of “space-ship earth”. I find that Midwestern outlook very reassuring when I look back, and think about the political decisions once upon a time which emphasized social mobility and universal opportunity. Ideally, public schools would keep trying to find that trace of their own tradition and keep trying to carry on, without however disallowing alternatives.
Patrick says:

December 6, 2013 at 4:11 pm

“we are being diverted from the bigger picture. The elites are playing mind games and we are their mice.”

Indeed. Perfectly stated, Marilyn.

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Kath.. says:

December 6, 2013 at 4:46 pm

Considering that the Connecticut emergency dispatch system was shut down on Dec 14th, 2012- see link-

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/01/30/the-nexus-of-tyranny-the

I find it hard to believe these released 9-11 calls are not also fake. Gun shots can be merely blanks. All of this theatre can be manufactured.

Still can’t get past the little boy who was said to be a student at Sandy Hook who, on the Dr. Oz show, said a drill was going on and there were many police in the building. He let the cat out of the bag and Oz quickly diverted him by another question.

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flyingtigercomics says:

December 6, 2013 at 7:52 pm

Much like the multiple story “stubs” put out in the JFK hit immediately after the crime, we see a more sophisticated and perfected version of the same thing here.

The 9/11 calls are a melange of drill and live, real and fake, from-the-scene and studio.

More directly and tellingly-

1. the gunshot-oid sounds don’t match the described event.

2. we add custodian Rick Thorne to the long list of “replacement” “fill-in” “relief” personnel on the scene that day and not before or since in similar circumstances.

3. we have ample multiple confirmation now that the front glass was smashed or shot OUT not in. This is a corroborative piece of evidence for the Megatronics theory that a shooter shot the glass OUT to attract the teachers out of the conference. Or took hostages then shot the glass out to get more people in the hallway.

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Kelley says:

December 6, 2013 at 8:54 pm

I find the 911 calls to be a medley of mush, half don’t even make sense.

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Kathy says:

December 6, 2013 at 9:50 pm

Had no intention of changing the conversation, but the fact remains we need to pay attention to what the media is not reporting. Know a lady in her nineties, who has worked most days of her life, and is now surviving on a meager social security and her food stamps have been reduced from a couple hundred dollars a month to $15 and she sees no reason to keep pursuing that meager amount. For sure the crime rate in big cities is devastating, there is more black on black crime than black on white crime and cities even with strict gun laws have terrible crimes against innocents. Where do I get such information? Surely not from the MSM, but absolutely we know desperate people will do heinous acts when their backs are against the wall. My point was intended to be, we are at despairing times, when people are hungry and cold, with no hope of improving their predicament, chaos is soon to happen.

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1. Wondering Aloud (@WonderingAloud1) says:
  
  December 6, 2013 at 11:00 pm
  
  I’m no expert in Government Benefits, but it seems your elderly friend may need some help advocating for a higher level of food stamp support.
  
  If she is your friend, I would hope you could offer assistance.
  
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  1. Kathy says:
    
    December 6, 2013 at 11:58 pm
    
    Miss Loretta is very proud. A few years ago, convinced her that she qualified for unemployment, which she did and helped her sign up. It was not long after that, she landed another job and loved having an opportunity to work. She has close family members nearby, but can’t help but think, her life story would sure be a wonderful novel…
    
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papa says:

December 7, 2013 at 12:38 am

Not unlike many others, I withhold opinion, while focusing on the evidence. The SH evidence presented so far, to me, is akin to a dripping faucet,.. at the hands of the thirsty. You get just enough to sustain life, but little more.

I’m slow, and have yet to examine the recent audio releases. I’m still nursing the latest, released images – more specifically, the intriguing shots of the SH school entrance., and I’m admittedly stumped. So is there a homicide crime scene investigator lurking that can enlighten me?

I assume…. The Prime Objective is to:

1. Secure the scene
2. Eliminate the threat(s)
3. Immediately attend the victims
4. Meticulously photograph and preserve the evidence

Upon examining the recent images of the SH school entrance, I detect zero presents of red body fluids (blood) – anywhere. None on the lobby floor (where two adult victims were allegedly discovered), none on the white entrance doors (either side), and none on the cement walkway approaching the front doors, or the immediate area of the parking lot. I assume that tons of human traffic went through those doors in the first crucial hours.

Please bare-in-mind, that the images I’m looking at, still show the presents of shattered glass littering the walkway, the lobby floor and it’s furnishings, (and what appears to be), official yellow evidence markers w/numbers, apparently pinpointing the eight, individual empty brass casings which is still littering the cement walkway at the entrance.

So when, exactly, between #1. an #4. (see above), was the body fluids eliminated? Just doesn’t seem prudent to me to mop the floors before photographing a homicide crime scene. And if the floors were cleaned, why stop there?… why not sweep up the glass and secure the evidence too? Or can we safely assume that the images were tamped with… or that there was simply no blood to clean?

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1. Col. Bat Guano says:
  
  December 7, 2013 at 3:24 am
  
  And when you “shoot out a glass window” you shoot in many different places I would assume. So where are the bullet holes in the wall?
  
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Mark says:

December 7, 2013 at 10:24 am

Homicidal Orwellian Conspiracies (HOCS) such as Sandy Hook, with obvious exceptions, are increasingly becoming the preserve of a White racist neo-Fascism. This is different from the traditional Western fascism historically in that it is anti-government libertarianism, supporting the plutocracy of multi-billionaires and their professional agents through corporations rather than through government. It is driven historically by the loss of White power, along with the loss of world power by America. It has currently almost entirely captured the Republican party.

The leftish Democrats have largely shut their eyes to the homicidal conspiracies conducted by elements of American power, beginning with the Orwellian media coverup of the John Kennedy assassination. The assassinations of the Kennedys and Malcolm X and Martin Luther King of the 1960’s have resumed with mass murders in the 1990’s and the 21st century. The authorized leftish refuse to acknowledge it, and the historical policies implemented through the conspiracies, and continue to stigmatize Conspiracy Theorists as crazed paranoid crackpots.

The racist right has taken a sharp step forward by the publishing of the book White Girls Bleed a Lot, which emphasizes that Black mobs are attacking innocent White people. The book was cited by commenter Sue, an explicit anti-Semite and racist. It is the usual racist gibberish, echoing the usual Southern claim in defense of our White women. What is important about it is that it has been favorably reviewed by all the rightwing media, including Alex Jones.

Do Blacks attack Whites and steal from them? Of course. They also attack Blacks, Browns, Yellows, as do Whites, etc. With the increasing impoverishment and privation of the population being engineered by the pluts and their agents, violence will no doubt increase, if it hasn’t already. It is necessary to study the numbers critically since the government and the corporate media lie about everything. However the author of the book apparently relies on anecdotal material, which can be used to prove any thesis.

The professional silence of the American leftish, and the stigmatizing of the conspiratorial truth, has left the area to the rightish. This is a very dangerous abandonment, especially as the Repubs may well win the presidency next time. They may well transform America’s traditional racist Democracy into a racist neo-fascist power system, which Bush-Obama have partially constructed. I don’t know that this can be averted.

The only defense that the American people have is the simple historical truth. If we are afraid to tell the truth because it is Unpatriotic or Un-American, the authorized deceit and Orwellian duplicity will prevail, and be used by anti-people power against the American people.

It must be understood and acknowledged explicitly that America has not only been a highly racist country, it has been an extremely violent country, and the homicidal conspiracies are an institutional part of this violence. But what is happening historically, is that this is only being acknowledged by the more racist and violent portion of the population, which does not bode well for the future.

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1. Sue says:
  
  December 12, 2013 at 11:01 am
  
  White Girl Bleed A Lot was self-published by its author, Colin Flaherty, who, earlier in his career, was instrumental in helping a wrongfully convicted black man vindicate himself, I believe of the crime of murder. There is no ‘racist right’ that published him as you hysterically insist. Neither he nor I is a ‘southerner,’ and while I don’t know him personally, I suspect he may have connections to the irish who fought, for the Union, to free blacks in the Civil War. As I explain in the next thread, I myself descend directly from a Union soldier. In other words, ‘NOT.’
  
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another Patrick says:

December 7, 2013 at 11:03 am

“[…]Since Sandy Hook is so obviously fraudulent, and so poorly acted, its very shamelessness must be part of the point of the activity. As many people here have pointed out, it’s too stupid to believe, so there has to be a reason for the stupidity; they COULD have put on a better show if they had wanted to. And certainly Gene Rosen would have been cut at the casting call. But they hired Gene, and used him extensively. Why do you think that is? Maybe it was a test to see how gullible the country is, which is to say, how stupid we have become. Seems like a reasonable conjecture.” ….quote from Patrick

This mirrors my thinking exactly, and it seems to me that increasingly less effort is needed to sell these events as time passes.

Very clever people are no doubt carefully measuring the general level of acceptance of the “official report” after each of these outrages as a means of determining when and how to execute the next stage of their plan.

This is my first time posting here, but I’ve been following the wonderful efforts of
Tracy and reading all your comments for some time; it’s good to know you’re on this planet with me.

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1. Col. Bat Guano says:
  
  December 8, 2013 at 3:53 am
  
  Some are now claiming the tapes are fake, why then did they have one actor in them, Jen (Or is it Jinn as in a islamic demon), saying something so confusing!? I do not know if the tapes were fake or not, but it is not my assumption atm. But I do know they left that bit in there. And it is not the first time strange things are communicated to us; Where do all these photos with children doing satanic hand signs come from, why do they inject clear references to pedophelia and mind control (Butterflies and the owl)
  
  In this vid below for example, you hear them taking about the child getting nude with bears, bears is what pedos call themselves. She also models the strange selfless thankfulness often displayed by the SH parents, as pointed out by Sofia Smallstorm et al.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzRgLcyto_0
  
  When you add all this craziness together you must conclude that they want you to notice.
  
  The general public do not read or watch anything that is not marketed to them directly via MSM. They have no clue about how the world really might work. They are gullible an stuck on “nice” all day – “surely no one would want to do something so horrible as you describe”, is probably what you’ll hear from them if you told them SH was a conspiracy and a hoax. Most people remain children, not adults, they just get new parents! (like a pet)
  
  Now when they are presented with strange information, indicating that “there is a rumor it is fake”, they will experience cognitive dissonance (if they pay attention at all). They have been told all their life, that there can be no such thing as a longstanding large conspiracy! Anyone who believes that must be ridiculed. That postulate will be a block to remaining sane in the world that is to unfold before your eyes.
  
  SH is a gas-lighting mass psychosis mind control exercise. Sofia Smallstorm is so right when she says these strange peoples behavior is a modeling of the future citizen. A person without “self” is lacking a vital part of herself, she will be easily controlled by who ever is her authority figure. (Narcissist do not see the difference of self and others)
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism
  
  If you want to understand who these people are read the above link, it is all there.
  
  And study how self absorbed people treat their children and partners.
  
  This is a gas lighting excersise!:
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting
  
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  1. Col. Bat Guano says:
    
    December 8, 2013 at 12:21 pm
    
    I want to add that I have found a few people on YT that pointed out that what this Jen really might be saying is something like “there’s a room where it’s safe”. I have listened as closely as I can and it is not at all impossible that interpretation is the correct one.
    
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  2. Patrick says:
    
    December 8, 2013 at 1:00 pm
    
    To watch that video, the interview with Cooper, you’d think the woman just won the lottery. Maybe she’s an alien from outer space, and that’s how “grief” is expressed where she comes from. Does anyone have a better theory?
    
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    1. Col. Bat Guano says:
      
      December 8, 2013 at 1:37 pm
      
      These are the normal reactions and processes in grieving (via Wikipedia):
      
      “Shock and Denial
      Shock is the initial reaction to loss. Shock is the person’s emotional protection from being too suddenly overwhelmed by the loss. The person may not yet be willing or able to believe what their mind knows to be true. This stage normally lasts two or three months.”
      
      The SH parents sure sped through this phase. On the same day they talked in passed tense about their dead kids. Giving impromptu eulogies to their now dead kids. Very efficient!
      
      “Intense Concern
      Intense concern often manifests by being unable to think of anything else. Even during daily tasks, thoughts of the loss keep coming to mind. Conversations with one at this stage always turn to the loss as well. This period may last from six months to a year.”
      
      Greif do not “come in waves”, it is a totally crippling experience when something like this happens. If you have been burnt out from work. that is a similar feeling – you stay in bed a lot (or completely). Unless you just gotta lobby for gun control!
      
      “Despair and Depression
      Despair and depression is a long period of grief, the most painful and protracted stage for the griever (during which the person gradually comes to terms with the reality of the loss). The process typically involves a wide range of feelings, thoughts, and behaviors. Many behaviors may be irrational. Depression can include feelings of anger, guilt, sadness and anxiety.”
      
      Most of the SH parents would be about here right now.
      
      “Recovery
      The goal of grieving is not the elimination of all the pain or the memories of the loss. In this stage, one shows a new interest in daily activities and begins to function normally day to day. The goal is to reorganize one’s life, so the loss is an important part of life rather than its center.”
      
      At this stage they would behave about like what they did the day after.
      
      Yes they behave like aliens! If just all of them could be copies of Kim Basinger, and her fellow aliens in “my stepmother is an Alien”…
  3. lophatt says:
    
    December 8, 2013 at 8:11 pm
    
    Yes Colonel, “gas lighting” it is. The whole thing has that “Alfred Hitchcock” feel about it. That or “The Mad Hatter’s Ball”.
    
    It is a trait in psychopathy that those that have it cannot abide not having total control of others. They are miserable individuals that derive pleasure from “getting over” on others. This isn’t so much a conscious desire as an imperative for them.
    
    The current statistics say that one percent are clinically psychopaths. That’s one in one hundred. That does not include those with “psychopathies”. There are many more of those.
    
    What ends up happening is that the true psychopaths push their control agenda on those useful people with psychopathies. They are basically “opportunists” who are not so much driven by a compulsion as by pure self-interest. At the end of the day you get a “new ideal” that would suit the psychopaths in charge.
    
    If you look at Satanism it is psychopathy couched as “religion”. So while most of us grew up learning that we have social responsibilities and that we should share with others, these mutts are pushing an agenda that says “it’s all about me”. Isn’t that the fundamental choice that everyone must make?
    
    What they want is a herd of mindless eaters to fleece for their amusement. That is why they leave “clues”. Those are a sort of “insider joke”. If you’re an initiate, you’ll get the “joke”. The joke is on us.
    
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    1. Violeta says:
      
      December 8, 2013 at 8:30 pm
      
      What’s the joke? We know that they are hoaxing and we can’t do a thing about it? They are having fun with us?
    2. lophatt says:
      
      December 8, 2013 at 9:07 pm
      
      Violeta, yes.
    3. Col. Bat Guano says:
      
      December 9, 2013 at 6:51 am
      
      The perps of this hoax are a bunch of incompetent new age “religious cult” nut jobs! Look in their eyes and faces, it is like some of them are not there!
      
      They f-ed up totally in executing this hoax. The story has been fed to the media from more than one origin. It is my conviction that these people hijacked the operation. That’s why there are cracks in the story that everyone can see.
      
      Media who spread this BS will never stop doing their mind control. Because that is what they do, all they do. They are put there by sick people who secretly rule this failing civilization we live in. Media will (for the most part) continue telling us, and acting as, SH was a real event. It will be silly to us at best, or very uncomfortable if you can not accept that there are large deep conspiracies in this world.
      
      Make sure to read and follow the links in this first clip:
      
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud1N2-e0pQg
      
      Jessie’s mom is getting messages from “the other side”.
      
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cobh4Tf2Jvs
      
      Jessie’s mom is making a career:
      
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gjykey-HDEI
      
      And if someone doubts that SH was a hoax, ask them what are the odds that it happened in a community that is ready to roll out a “choose love” lobbying program all over the world, incorporating a gun control agenda worthy of any dictator!
    4. lophatt says:
      
      December 9, 2013 at 11:32 am
      
      All true Colonel, but they are psychopaths. The controllers are using the cultists. I’m not big on the “left/right” paradigm. It’s all B.S.. But, as you say, there are those who think they are ever so perfect and want to impose that “perfection” on the rest of us, whether we want it or not.
      
      As we studied this I kept saying, “it’s what you DON’T see that bears looking into”. For example, we talk about “the kids” and “the parents” as if they existed. It is much easier to “disappear” somebody if they weren’t there in the first place. I can show you pictures, and I can do interviews, I can make up a story. Does that prove anything?
      
      It’s the old murderer’s dilemma. “Uh oh, now what do I do with the body?”. We have no blood, we are to believe that the paramedics didn’t go in there and (alternately” they “declared” a pile of kids to be dead without authority to do so? Then they let them lie there to be spirited away in the dead of night? I’m all for pushing envelopes but that is a bridge too far.
      
      Once the “shooting” is over here come the clowns. It is hard to imagine a more brazenly orchestrated piece of propaganda. Who knew that firehouses were the center of the Universe? It had all the trappings of a tent revival in the South.
      
      So I don’t disagree with anything you said. The “media” didn’t start this, though. It is their current function as the mouthpiece of the cabal. In this drill it seems that they were central to the test. Could they get people to believe this goofy tale without providing any evidence. It looks like they passed the test.
    5. Patrick says:
      
      December 9, 2013 at 11:56 am
      
      All perfectly stated, lophatt.
      
      I’ll only add this. I have argued repeatedly that it’s too soon to guess who did this, why, and how they got so many people to participate in the hoax–but that I welcome all research, because that’s what needs to be done to eventually arrive at good guesses, if not accurate answers.
      
      That said, this is a strong clue. It seems unavoidable that the point of the exercise has more to do with demonstrating their complete control over the public mind than it does with gun control. (Just as 911, as I believe, was primarily a demonstration of Tesla technology, weaponized.)
      
      If I’m right about both, then it seems likely that the same people are behind both (the secret government, which built the deep underground military bases). They proved that they have free energy–which they refuse to share with the world, that they have a place to hide when they trigger the catastrophe that they intend to usher in the New World Order, and that they can make us believe anything, no matter how preposterous. How many more things do they need to demonstrate before they spring the trap?
    6. Col. Bat Guano says:
      
      December 9, 2013 at 12:28 pm
      
      Patrick, I just wonder, if they have found a “Perpetuum Mobile”, why won’t they share that energy? Like, say, for a fee? They must have much more than they can use, and always more than anyone else?
    7. Patrick says:
      
      December 9, 2013 at 1:58 pm
      
      I have spent a great deal of time on this subject. It is very large. It can’t be dealt with here. But I will say this: free energy does not only spell an end to the electrical power industry, the oil industry, and coal. It also means antigravity, which spells the end of the airlines, because airplanes would be instantly obsolete. But think about that. It would also spell the end of many war industry businesses.
      
      Free energy means free people. Infinite energy at no cost means the end of any scarcity of fresh water, which is one of the most powerful controls over our lives–at least those of us who life in places like the decertified parts of Africa.
      
      Truly free people is the last thing the New World Order would like to see.
      
      The people who control that technology want it only for themselves. Until 911 they did not (except for UFO demonstrations) openly display what they have. But I suspect they did so as a complex experiment to determine how their control over the media was capable of making people not see what they saw. It certainly seems so, because even the “truthers” can’t seem to see it: they most of them believe explosives were used.
    8. lophatt says:
      
      December 10, 2013 at 12:21 am
      
      Patrick, I haven’t made much of a point of the “who” of it. I have my thoughts and I’m pretty confident of them. I tend to look a little “higher” (lower?) in the grand scheme than nations or groups that are commonly cited. There are levels in this.
      
      I wouldn’t rule out the “Tesla Weapon”. I also wouldn’t rule out micro-nukes. All the signs are there The most telling (for me) is the sublimation of materials. Nothing (at least that I know of) does that but nukes. It takes too much heat, instantly. It is actually “beyond heat”, it is what happens when you move molecules so fast they don’t really have a chance to demonstrate heat.
      
      But I think Judy Woods did an excellent job of pointing out the problems. I think she’s a little blind to any other possibility to the point of overlooking actual evidence. I won’t say they don’t have this, I just don’t know enough about it and I’m suspicious of her source.
      
      Whichever, or whatever, it was certainly more than thermate and cutter charges. They were probably used but they didn’t account for what was seen.
    9. Patrick says:
      
      December 10, 2013 at 4:57 am
      
      One of the best aspects of Wood’s research is that she points out that the mass of the buildings went away. I don’t know much about nukes; do they do that? Certainly explosives don’t.
      
      She points out the ongoing molecular dissociation that could be observed. Particles getting smaller and smaller, for months. A small portion of the Banker’s Trust building evidently got zapped; they repaired it, but then took that section apart: deep inside the steel was rusting. It was some kind of materials’ cancer that kept dissociating the structure at a molecular level. Finally, they had to take the whole building down.
      
      That doesn’t sound like nukes to me.
    10. lophatt says:
      
      December 11, 2013 at 1:14 am
      
      Patrick, yes, they cause “sublimation”, among other things. Obviously, I have no direct way of knowing what was used. You can see the “spire”, which is a serious piece of steel, “dustify”. It just dissolves and blows away.
      
      Judy Wood pointed these anomalies out, she is just fixated on the “directed energy” thing. There are others who have studied the dust and all the signs of fission/fusion are present. I won’t try to reproduce that here.
      
      We know that if they drop a nuclear bomb close enough to us we’ll “vaporize”. That’s true. What happens is that the heat is so unbelievably high that materials go from solids to gasses without even passing through the liquid state. I do not know of any other phenomenon that does that.
      
      I have worked with steel in my younger days quite a bit. I enjoy it. I’ve heated it, melted it, welded it, etc.. I have NEVER seen a steel column turn to dust and blow away. But then, I’ve never nuked steel before.
      
      Consider also, it wasn’t only steel. It was toilets, desks, file cabinets, people, concrete, tile, etc.. All turned to dust. There was also the long-burning areas where the heat was very intense for weeks. Those could have been “duds” or pieces of fissionable material that continued to react.
      
      Now, obviously, per Judy Woods, this could be the “Huchinson Effect” or something. I simply don’t know enough about that and have not seen examples of it that would account for this. She shows some but I’m not convinced. There are other problems with it as well, such as how you would confine the effects.
      
      But, to answer your question. yes, nukes do that. It is a heat that is unimaginable. It is so quick that it is more akin to some other phenomenon than “heat”. Everything becomes so excited that the bonds are destroyed. It fits perfectly. There is also a flash that could account for the cars. That is a pulse.
      
      If someone produces a weapon with similar results I’ll be happy to change my theory. Right now I think the available evidence all fits.
    11. lophatt says:
      
      December 13, 2013 at 12:03 am
      
      Just to try and clarify my last comment, dust samples were taken and the trace elements and certain isotopes were found in quantities well above “background”. There is no other plausible explanation for them being there.
      
      I have seen at least three speculative models for what would have been needed. “Micro-nukes” DO exist. It is not a leap to believe that they could be configured to direct most of their effects upward.
      
      In these scenarios they are positioned at stages near the core. They are triggered sequentially, at approximately one-second intervals. The sequence begins on top. The cores are instantly vaporized and the outer walls tend to fall into the void and are sublimated as they do.
      
      It would be expected that there would be “duds”. Some of the devices would either fail to function or imperfectly function. That would account for the lingering reactions long after the destruction.
      
      Besides heat, there is an electro-magnetic pulse. This isn’t exactly “heat” but could cause fires if it contacts the right materials. This is a vast over-simplification and the information is available. It’s a long, scholarly read. It’s worth it. I’m pretty convinced.
      
      Related to this (because it was mentioned above), is the “cold fusion” idea. In order to initiate fusion they use a thermonuclear device. In “cold fusion” they use a laser. There are published experiments that have been successful on a very small scale. They may, as you say, have had more success than they are admitting.
      
      As another side note, ever wonder how a half-ton pickup manages to deliver kilo-tons of explosive energy? They not only have these small nukes, they have used them quite a lot. It isn’t difficult to do the math. When a building is destroyed they can compute what energy would be required to do that. When they say “it was a truck bomb” and show you a picture of a little Toyota, give that some thought.
    12. Patrick says:
      
      December 13, 2013 at 6:25 am
      
      Thanks for all of that. Very interesting.
      
      You write: “dust samples were taken and the trace elements and certain isotopes were found in quantities well above “background”. There is no other plausible explanation for them being there.”
      
      Dr Wood is positing that a different kind of physics is the only explanation of ALL the evidence. Why wouldn’t it produce the same radioactive elements nukes do? Since it is secret technology, we just have to assume.
      
      One powerful myth Dr Wood debunks is that there was heat at the site. There was none. There were what she calls “cold fires” that did not burn paper that was right next to them. The hydraulic features of the equipment seen in the clean-up photos could not have functioned in the high heat environment we are expected to believe. They say there was molten metal down below, but there was also an abundance of water–but no steam explosions!
      
      Another thing about the supposed heat is that the shopping mall directly below street level, and the subway stop were pretty much untouched. There are photos of men examining those places. They are not troubled by high heat.
      
      In fact, many of the survivors reported that the ambient temperature was unusually cool–the event had LOWERED temperature in the area.
      
      Another piece of evidence is levitation. Not only cars were gently placed on top of improbable objects, but people running away found themselves lifted off the ground and carried blocks away, and gently let down.
      
      These are very weird facts. The Hutchison Effect explains them. Conventional physics does not.
    13. lophatt says:
      
      December 15, 2013 at 10:40 pm
      
      Dr. Wood DOES indeed dispute the dust sample findings and the heat, which makes me suspicious. The samples were collected by a government agency and the results posted. They did not recognize the significance because they were looking for asbestos, primarily.
      
      Isotopes and decay are well understood. It’s all there, it is indisputable. Gordon Duff at Veteran’s Today did a good compendium not long ago. There is an M.D. named Ward who also posts information with all the applicable math.
      
      I don’t have a “dog in this fight”. Nukes just fit the observed phenomena like a glove. Just like Prof. Jones is pounds the pulpit for thermate, Woods denies anything but directed energy. It is very clear that thermate did not cause steel columns to turn to dust and vapor and blow away. I can’t speak with as much surety about directed energy because I don’t have any examples that match the phenomena.
      
      The heat was recorded by aerial thermography and by direct witness testimony. That is one of the troubling aspects of Judy Woods’ position. She says she has no theories. Then she says it could not have been a nuke and there was no heat. She’s wrong.
      
      If she is simply an observant scientist, with no position, why the denial? Hutcheson is an interesting character. He appears to make objects do strange things. That is not “proof” of directed energy sublimating buildings
      
      If you want a better explanation I would take the time to go to Veteran’s today, get some coffee and sit back for a long, scholarly read. It is more than worth it. It takes a while to get a layman’s understanding of the subject. There is history. There are physics. There is not agenda since it really doesn’t make much difference other than to cast doubt on certain other theories. If there is a better one I’d love to see it. So far I have not.
      
      There are many aspects of “The 9-11 Movie” that carry over to other operations like SHE. There are simply some aspects that have to be accounted for. Conventional explanations, i.e. demolition, don’t account for the product. They could have done this more simply if they wanted. Any method would have required engineering. It doesn’t have just some of the signatures of a nuke, it has them all.
      
      Once you understand the process and the elements produced by the decay process you’ll see it. These would be essentially neutron bombs. Usually those would be employed above a target. There would be minimal damage to structures and massive radioactivity. It is short-lived radioactivity. In a confined space we would see what we saw. The blast wave would go up and most of the byproducts with it. Just like pulling materials into an unimaginably hot furnace.
      
      Anyway, you choose. I certainly admire Dr. Woods’ work, up to a point, but it doesn’t explain her position. She has also been critical of those who say it was a government operation. Go figure.
ThePaulstalService says:

December 7, 2013 at 1:03 pm

Has anyone had a chance to look into the very likely reality that Ann Haddad was the woman playing Nancy Lanza?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf1NG6Us8Y4

I have been looking into her- there is too much stuff to ignore going on (besides just her and her husband having multiple aliases, which is fishy enough):

1. Both look like the same person.
2. Both claimed to have taught special education children.
3. Both were married to a husband named Peter
4. Both live in the same neighborhood (less than a mile away).
5. Anne worked at same school Adam Lanza “alleged” attended-St. Rose of Lima and could have been a substitute at Sandy Hook Elementary. Which would make sense because we were told “she was a teacher at [her son’s] the school and was confused.
6. Anne has at least 7 aliases, her husband has 2.
7. Both attended “monthly mom’s night out meetings” in Newtown.
8. Both are roughly the same age
9. Anne is a commonly associated Nickname for Nancy.

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1. Col. Bat Guano says:
  
  December 8, 2013 at 2:37 am
  
  Hi Paulstal saw that vid a fe days ago, and it was very impressive. Since I now quit my YT acc., I could not comment, so I’m glad you stopped by here. I usually hate the “this person is really that person” game but sometimes I make exceptions. I agree with you on this one! She indeed looks like an older version of the same person. I would recommend to really zoom in on the eyes, those are parts not easily changed. I find the shape of her eye matches extremely well.
  
  Keep up you awesome work paulstal!
  
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  1. ThePaulstalService says:
    
    December 8, 2013 at 9:51 pm
    
    I don’t like the “this person is that person” stuff either.. because shills like Dallas Gold Bug have performed their duties perfectly, and everyone is completely turned off to the idea that one person could have a different name than they actually do.. He’s done is his job perfectly.. Everyone is tired of “comparing people.”.. that’s why he is employed as a professional shill.
    
    However, when you look at Nancy and Anne that is the same person.. and there are too many other coincidences going on. No normal person has 7 plus aliases.. and add to that that her husband also has multiple aliases Peter and Norman.
    
    CIA and Mossad agents more often than not have multiple aliases.. no normal person has 7 different names and is married to a guy with multiple names as well.
    
    You’re right about the eyes- they are a 100% match (as is most of the rest of her face).. but the eyes are the proof that Anne and Nancy are the same person. I think this is a great lead, and could be the silver bullet proven this event was staged- and and I know if more people start looking into her we will expose this event in entirety.
    
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  2. zemblanity1 says:
    
    December 8, 2013 at 9:59 pm
    
    Agreed, I think most of the people comparisons are ridiculous by design but there is some truth to some them and this one is worth a second look.
    
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2. musings says:
  
  December 8, 2013 at 9:56 am
  
  Very convincing analysis. Also – who has that many aliases? That’s pretty odd. Nancy=Anne E. obviously. I don’t know the significance of the alleged New Hampshire town police chief’s daughter “Beanie” (“Annie”) unless a) the daughter in the yearbook morphed into Nancy-Annie-etc. AND/OR,
  b) the policeman himself (if still alive, don’t remember if he is) was participating in what many in New England law enforcement are doing – sort of militarizing police forces (for which you have to disarm the local “insurgent” populations). Anyone see the 60 Minutes segment on the policeman in Springfield, Mass., who rotates in and out of Afghanistan and who regards immigrants who may or may not deal drugs (primarily the new Hispanic service-worker work force which has filled in the towns left by mills and mill jobs from the past) as he does the locals he deals with in Afghanistan? This idea that the local population is a dangerous potential source of unrest is supposedly motivating the increasingly militarized police forces. I am not one to blame the victims here (all of us who live in these towns, of no matter what origin) because the imagined trouble is manufactured to justify the strong fist of these police and all their war toys. Next year’s Boston Marathon will roll out drone surveillance, for instance. They won’t be going away after the event, I imagine.
  
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  1. Wondering Aloud (@WonderingAloud1) says:
    
    December 8, 2013 at 5:44 pm
    
    It will be fun to watch the Boston Marathon die its slow death over the coming years as New England parent’s second-guess bringing little Jimmy to watch the runners… you know with drones overhead and a Government acting more and more like Big Brother… it ain’t so fun.
    
    So, the tradition dies.
    
    There are betting things to do on a long weekend.
    
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  2. ThePaulstalService says:
    
    December 8, 2013 at 9:58 pm
    
    I don’t know anybody with 7 aliases.. I don’t know anybody with 2 aliases.. There is just too many “coincidences” to be ignored.
    
    Anne being a pet name for Nancy
    
    Anne/Nancy Haddad being married to a Peter
    
    Anne/Nancy being a “special needs teachers”
    
    Anne/(Nancy originally was said to be a teacher) teaching at St. Rose of Lima (the same school Adam aka Ryan attended).
    
    Anne/Nancy attending “monthly mom’s night out meet-ups in Newtown”
    
    Anne/Nancy being almost the same age.
    
    Anne/Nancy looking exactly like the same person.
    
    Anne/Nancy living less than a mile away from each-other.
    
    People saw her at the bar in town, and saw her at the grocery store.. they were seeing Anne..
    
    “Nancy” never let people into her house.. “Nancy” only saw people once-monthly at mom’s night out meet up.. because “Nancy” is Anne Jiorno/ Anne Haddad / Annie Haddad
    
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    1. lophatt says:
      
      December 9, 2013 at 1:45 am
      
      There is a similarity. Her nose appears different, however. From what I read they said that “Nancy” was some sort of financial analyst or broker, not a teacher.
      
      There was a story about her having an affair with a high school teacher who used to teach the “Technical Club” (IT stuff) and “Adam” and “Ryan” were involved in an award-winning project. I was going to look into that and see if there was any record of that award.
      
      He is correct in saying that using multiple names is an old trick to throw off investigators. It seems more likely to me that they would want “Nancy” to be a recluse. That doesn’t mean much, it is always difficult to reconcile what was said with what we can see.
      
      One of the difficulties for me in researching this was the thought that “somebody would notice and say something”. Then it dawned on me that, no, they might notice but who would they tell?
      
      To me it makes more sense that she lived alone with her son and wasn’t popular. I don’t put much stock in “The Nurse” when she talks about her being a Kindergarten teacher. After all, this is the woman who supposedly hung out in a closet for hours undetected.
      
      I confess to being intrigued. The whole place is like a Potemkin Village. It reminds me of that movie “Funny Farm” with the Rockwell images. I lived in a picturesque town similar to this once. They shot several movies there. They were always hiring locals for extras.
      
      If you think about the most logical way to do this you could use old school pictures and invent the victims. You import the “parents”. Most were well past the age we normally think parents of first graders to be. The others who are not directly involved probably wouldn’t know the difference. I know that I have schools all around me but I don’t know the kids or their families.
      
      That leaves the problem of the “teachers”. Of course we’ve only “met” a very few of those. We’ve heard “stories”. This is much like the phone callers in “The 9-11 Movie”. Beyond that it’s been endless vigils.
      
      She does look like our “Nancy” though. “Peter” is definitely an enigma. The sister that they interviewed was “interesting” as well. She looked like somebody from a trailer park that they set down on the stoop of a middle-class house. She kept confusing “Ryan” with “Adam”. Not something an “aunt” would normally do.
      
      It is not that difficult for them to manufacture a past. They do it for operatives all the time. They won’t stand scrutiny but they seldom have to. That’s one of the things about the real estate records. More obfuscation. Simple, “ordinary” people don’t usually have this level of mystery about them. With these characters their own stories are suspicious. He’s “ready for commitment”, but she can go on holiday, etc.. I have an autistic daughter who lives with us. I couldn’t do that.
      
      I’m going to reserve judgement on this one. I don’t know what it would “prove” anyway. Of course if they were so cocky as to let a “dead woman” walk among them, that would be worthy of note.
    2. Carl says:
      
      December 9, 2013 at 4:42 am
      
      This is where our assumptions get us in trouble and take us down the wrong path. The media TOLD us that Adam Lanza was the shooter and since we all believe what the media tells us then we ASSUMED Nancy Lanza was a kindergarten teacher because it was widely reported that the SHOOTER was the son of a kindergarten teacher.
      
      The nurse NEVER said Nancy Lanza was a kindergarten teacher’s son. She said the SHOOTER’s mother was a kindergarten teacher’s son. When you google “Sandy Hook + kindergarten teacher’s son” the mystery is over and almost all of the puzzle pieces fall into place.
      
      Motive, Method, Opportunity, who, what, why , the only uncertainties that remain are the details of how this was done exactly. Were all or some or none of the deaths faked, family members etc.
    3. Carl says:
      
      December 9, 2013 at 4:54 am
      
      Look how devastated the parents are in this interview, just days after the murders, especially the father. And the tears flooding from the mother’s eyes. Real or fake ?I can see how people would be rather incredulous after an interview like this.
      
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itX1AI8Z-nM
    4. Carl says:
      
      December 9, 2013 at 5:00 am
      
      Notice very carefully what Andrea McCarren DOES NOT say. She never mentioned Nancy Lanza.
      
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CilfQSYNC5g
      
      Now look at this critical analysis of the facts:
      
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaeW2IweTp8
      
      After this production the Newtown Bee purged their profile article of Janet Vollmer. I winder why ?
    5. lophatt says:
      
      December 9, 2013 at 11:47 am
      
      Carl, you may be right about that. I’ll check. I remember the Sally Field lookalike talking head who interviewed “the nurse”. She said that she (presumably Nancy) was a “loving, caring…….kindergarten teacher”. But, she may not have mentioned Nancy by name.
      
      I’m afraid I don’t think that anything but a drill happened. I think the characters are all made up. If they bear a resemblance to anyone living it is purely coincidence. I don’t think they are “hiding” the “real shooter” or their relatives.
      
      A lot of this was “green screened”. They could have shot most of it in the studio and applied the background later. It was a “media drill”. I don’t think I’m “in trouble”, I just don’t think these details matter much any longer. They are curiosities. All they point to is the “how” of the drill.
3. Wondering Aloud (@WonderingAloud1) says:
  
  December 8, 2013 at 5:39 pm
  
  Wow. Had seen photos of Nancy Lanza and Dr. Lynne Fenton (the psychiatrist for the Aurora shooter) being compared, but this is too close.
  
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  1. lophatt says:
    
    December 9, 2013 at 1:52 am
    
    Yep! Like the “lawyer” and the “Phelps” woman. Also, the mother of Holmes (who has apparently dropped off the face of the Earth). Dead ringers.
    
    As usual, all we see is what’s on TEE VEE.
    
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4. Col. Bat Guano says:
  
  December 10, 2013 at 10:18 am
  
  Have you ever done, or seen, any research into the possibility that Robbie and Alissa are siblings? As much as I hate these questions it bears asking I feel!
  
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  1. Violeta says:
    
    December 10, 2013 at 10:27 am
    
    Col., do you mean Robbie Parker? Because if you do, I’ve seen quite a few Robbie Parkers.
    
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    1. lophatt says:
      
      December 11, 2013 at 1:28 am
      
      Colonel, if you mean “brother and sister” that wouldn’t surprise me. They were imported for this. There is much wrong with their basic story. I haven’t paid that much attention to it because I think they are just actors. They could have just as easily filmed their sequences months in advance for all I know.
      
      They were conducting these drill scenarios for quite some time. A lot of that activity was centered around Newtown and its environs. There was big money being spent for those who bought into this. Volunteers were used for them. They were handed scripts and told to play, whoever. Later, when the time was right, they could take pieces, combine them with “stock footage” and staged interviews and put together a mini-movie.
      
      That is how movies are made, actually. They don’t shoot the scenes in sequential order. I personally thing that is why they are so rabid about controlling the scene of these operations. They don’t want anyone wandering around in there and spoiling the shots.
      
      Think about your every day “news”. Breathless readers mouthing whatever words someone has prepared for them. It is a form of acting. You could grab any of them, stuff a script in their hand (or on the teleprompter) and its in the can. They’re used to it.
Rako says:

December 7, 2013 at 8:47 pm

First, What is being said in the background?

Second, what does this mean: “OPERATOR 1: All right Jen, let’s get one, let’s get one caller, I’ll take my caller, you . . .”

So he tells her: “you…” do what?

Why not take more than one call at a 911 center?

What does Jen hear on the phone?

Why does he then say:
“Jen, hang up. I need you to get off that phone.”

Why? It’s her job.

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1. lophatt says:
  
  December 7, 2013 at 10:37 pm
  
  It is a drill. They are working with “volunteers”. They are reading from scripts. There is confusion and disarray.
  
  Nobody “shot out” that window. There wasn’t anybody there to do it. “Rick Thorne” is a character in the drill. How could there be “rumors that Sandy Hook is a fake” if it is just then happening?
  
  Where was the blood? Where were the paramedics? How did they acquire this “special dispensation” to declare victims? It was a drill.
  
  How does the janitor know the rooms are all locked? How do you lock them in from the outside?
  
  I could go on all night. Those pictures of kids were from a time long ago. What was seen in “real time” was staged. It had the sense of unreality about it because it was not real.
  
  There is much that could be learned about how they pulled this off. Most probably will never surface. I’m sure they gave it quite an effort to leave the untidy bits on the cutting room floor.
  
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  1. musings says:
    
    December 8, 2013 at 10:13 am
    
    Yes, keeping it in perspective – it is fake. Taking it to a five months later, to the Boston Marathon Hoax, the viewing stands for the Sandy Hook families lie directly across the street from the the first fake bomb with the identifiably fake carnage (videos by Zarius Snape for example). What a neat fit of fake-to-fake.
    
    My own personal feeling is that Sean Collier the MIT policeman allegedly killed was like fake Nancy Lanza – a participant in the hoax, played by his own brother. Interestingly, there are many charity connections even there – his sister is a Florida fundraiser for brain tumor causes. The early alleged photos of the Collier family date back at least a decade before they were said to have been made. Like the Newtown children, the clothing is from an earlier decade than is said. Collier would really be at least 40 and not in his 20’s. Perhaps a kid in the family named Sean died of brain cancer? But most likely it is all faked.
    
    So top to bottom, all events associated with this are fake.
    
    Now for the cherry on top: the Kendall Square street corner (Main and Vassar) where the buildings are located between which Officer Sean was shot and where a makeshift memorial will soon give way to a permanent one is named for another fallen hero, the Israeli commando guy, Daniel Lewin, who went down in one of the Boston planes on 9/11. If you find his name plaque replaced by Sean Collier’s don’t be surprised. Because everything is negotiable in the world of fake terror. Probably though it will be a joint heroes square….dedicated to all the victims of terror who are so useful as weapons of psychological warfare.
    
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    1. lophatt says:
      
      December 8, 2013 at 2:39 pm
      
      Yes, one of the hardest things for me was mentally trying to figure out how they can “manufacture” a “hero” and the others who supposedly work with him don’t say anything.
      
      This is one of those areas where I think, at times, they actually DO murder people in order to support the plot. In the Boston case, I admit, I haven’t done the necessary research to have a comfortable position on the cop. It doesn’t change the nature of the operation as a hoax. If he was killed, they killed him.
      
      As to the “memorial”. Interesting that a Zionist interest is being publicly acknowledged. Could “Sean” have been “Shlomo”? I remember all the hoopla about having “Israeli experts” assisting with this. I would say they were more than “assisting”. Maybe they thought that some of the “cattle” would not cooperate with the 4th Amendment violations and such.
      
      The “cooperation” is there. I think most get confused as to who it is that is driving the agenda. That doesn’t excuse the participants. In fact, in my opinion, it makes it worse.
      
      If our “hero” Lewin, “went down in one of the planes” he must have been an extra for “Roger Rabbit”. This could easily go down in history as the “Memorial to the Manufactured Hero”. It has possibilities as with every day that passes it seems to become more difficult for the masses to distinguish “reality’ from Hollywood.
  2. John Luv says:
    
    December 8, 2013 at 11:27 am
    
    Exactly! Follow the financial angle in all events, as money always leads to the path of truth!
    
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2. hybryd says:
  
  January 10, 2014 at 8:58 am
  
  Here are the clips you ask about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMyRctPwO78
  
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3. the hybryd says:
  
  January 10, 2014 at 8:59 am
  
  Here is the Audio you wish to hear….https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMyRctPwO78
  
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Mark says:

December 8, 2013 at 3:23 pm

Musings, the policeman killed in the Marathon bombings might have been done for the same reason that the policeman Tippit was killed in the Kennedy Assassination. Douglass in JFK and the Unspeakable maintained that this was done to infuriate the police to kill Oswald in the theater, so they didn’t have a live patsy to dispose of later (via Ruby.) They may have wanted the police to kill Djokar, the younger brother, so he couldn’t talk.

The police did shoot the boat he was hiding in full of holes, cut his throat, and apparently damaged his tongue, but didn’t manage to kill him.

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1. lophatt says:
  
  December 8, 2013 at 5:24 pm
  
  Yes, that’s a good observation. “Officer Tippit”. There were as many “oddities” in the Boston operation as there were in SHE. Of course some of it was obfuscated by the “live action” aspect. It had the flavor of a Grade “B” action movie.
  
  There were so many memes floating around and little vignettes that it was difficult to break it all down adequately. Happy, smiling amputees, Chechen “terrorists”, Zionist Stormtroopers, “sports” heroes, legless dancers, etc..
  
  One constant was that none of it was designed to tug at the intellect, only the emotions. It was a lot like Worldwide Wrestling. They brought out the hated “Mad Chechen Bomber” vs. the “Noble Police Leviathan”. It was intended to make you root for the loss of the 4th Amendment.
  
  So, Tippit could very well have been the intended method to silence the patsy. I know that they say no one knows who put out the initial description of Oswald. It does show that, even without the technology, they were still able to control the “media” even in those days.
  
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Brad says:

December 8, 2013 at 5:23 pm

Rick Thorne calls 911 and says there’s something happening at the school. Rick Throne has been on the phone with dispatch for 5 Minutes, in the redacted timeline, he is being asked questions by police. Now, in the 911 calls we do not hear him talking to police about what is stated in the redacted timeline, also we do not hear the second part when Sergeant Kulgreen’s team comes around the corner from back of the school, when he gets proned out and arrested. These calls are INCOMPLETE…..

9:45:02 REDACTED standing in the west hallway outside the custodian’s office, sees Newtown officers enter the lobby of SHES. They made entry into the school through the boiler room doors on the west side of the school. The officers went through the boiler room and the kitchen. REDACTED is still on the 911 call with Newtown. (Newtown 911)

Then Rick Thorn’s 911 call gets disconnected. Remember Rick called 911. He was talking to dispatch when police detained him. It’s all recorded on his calls. Why would Newtown cops detain Rick? Maybe because his call didn’t make any sense to them. To them Rick appeared to be hallucinating and ranting about some fictitious event. It looks to me like the Netown Police didn’t know there was an active shooter drill in progress. I think CSP were running the show when the Newtown officers arrived on scene. Not knowing that it was a False Flage Newtown Police arrested Rick Thorne because he appeared suspicious to them and rightly so. Then CSP step in to take back control (damage control).

I think CSP were in control of this event right from the beginning.

That’s why when the operator asks….

“John, I need you to call the state police. Just,..”

Then the other operator responds by saying….

“The state police is there.”

CSP were already there the whole time running the show right from the beginning. Someone even mentioned they heard the words “There’s a rumor it’s Fake” in the background of the 911 call.

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JackBuckeye says:

December 8, 2013 at 9:46 pm

It does appear to be a fake event from the shear lack of evidence and the weird behavior of everyone involved. That begs the following question. How do you get an army of people working in such harmony and not breaking ranks, that is not disclosing the fraud and not having their consciences pricked enough afterwards to come forward to denounce the fraud? I would assume that some of them are following the dialogue taking place here. Here are some hypothetical answers: money, lots of it, spread generously around, some common belief system, that what they are doing has a noble purpose, an oath that they’ve taken as a group, a tightly knit and controlled community with many years of conditioning and finally a threat of life and limb should anyone break ranks. I cannot fathom it as an American, but these folks must have a different loyalty.

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1. bewisetoday says:
  
  December 11, 2013 at 11:49 pm
  
  That is troubling to me as well. How do you get so many people to participate in a hoax? I’m thinking partly, it’s because some people don’t really know it’s a hoax. Possibly death threats to family or loved ones? Think about the Mafia, people know it exists, but everyone within it, knows that speaking out about it will result in danger, death. Pray for these people who are caught in this evil web either by ignorance or family ties and think there is no way out.
  
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  1. musings says:
    
    December 12, 2013 at 12:28 am
    
    Think of how some agency might do it. Draw a series of concentric circles for starters. The inner circle is those people directly trained to carry off hoaxes like these, trained in government facilities perhaps in a distant past when they imagined their job was to help the country and have the security of a government job. They are told that they serve. Service is the key word. They do not make policies. They carry out policies. Being obedient is how they keep their pensions, etc. Because none of this is a crime (nobody died) they cannot claim whistle-blower status if they tell the truth about it. No, they’ll just be violating the law.
    
    Okay, now draw a bigger circle around these people. You might have contract players in it, crisis actors. But most likely not regular ones. People have recognized some of these guys in different roles. Think of them as belonging to a studio in the old days when every actor had to take what the studio told them to take, play the roles assigned in movies they might not choose on their own. Or you can think of them as belonging to a circus family, the flying Wallendas, everyone brought up to be a tightrope walker (some better at it than their relatives).
    
    Then add a circle which contains local cops and firemen. They have to take orders from the inner government circle which outranks them and can prosecute them for dereliction of duty.
    
    Outside from that are the people who think they are witnesses to various events, the Boston bombing and the Sean Collier shooting and also the Watertown brouhaha (but not so much the Newtown massacre, since that whole scene was a closed set I imagine). Eyewitnesses can be easily led to say things which are filled in for them, because what they saw was ambiguous.
    
    I don’t envy the lives of “service” which some people have chosen within the charmed inner circle. But I don’t think they worry about being offed. They are committed to the paradigm which is not for most of them a Mafia, but “goodness” and “usefulness”. I don’t happen to think it is. I would rather be a skid row bum, but there you are. Some people have been brought up on certain slogans and they take them for truth. I want to take this moment to thank them for their sacrifice, because the poor creatures could never make it in the real world and they do want to be thanked now and then. I also want to thank them for many good laughs.
    
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    1. bewisetoday says:
      
      December 14, 2013 at 4:07 pm
      
      I would disagree that these “players” in the inner circle don’t worry about being “eliminated”. There seems to be plenty of evidence that if you are a credible witness to a manufactured event that might talk or are willing to defy MSM as a journalist or reporter, you might have an unlucky “accident” or premature death of some kind.
Kathy says:

December 8, 2013 at 9:49 pm

Here’s an interesting article on the subject of the gun debate in America today. Had not realized that in August of 2012, there was a huge turnout in Newtown of citizens opposed to recently passed laws on restricting gun rights, mostly target practice, which were overturned due to the large public outcry. It ends with the sad story of a couple who abandoned their dream home in Newtown to move to TN, as the tax increases were too high, the government was becoming too big and the town is divided by those for and against the 2nd amendment.. http://apnews.myway.com/article/20131207/DAAHLQJ80.html

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Mark says:

December 9, 2013 at 1:40 am

The reason that Newtown was picked for this scenario may well have been because the major gun lobby was located there, the National Sports Shooting Foundation. While the National Rifle association was the major rank and file organization, the gun manufacturers were represented by this Foundation lobby. They employed 50 people or so according the article in the Guardian, and there was pressure on them to move applied by this pseudo-event.

But it didn’t work; no effective laws passed, and the gun lobby stayed put. But if American power is going to declare martial law, or some equivalent, they wouldn’t want the population to possess assault rifles, even though most gun murders occur with handguns. So they might try to disempower the population in some other staged event, since these homicidal Orwellian conspiracies appear to be accelerating time wise.

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1. Norm says:
  
  December 9, 2013 at 9:50 am
  
  Hi Mark,
  
  This reply of mine is unrelated to the topic of this thread, but I thought that you, Mark, given your interest in the divisive effects of superordinate and subordinate ‘group identities’ might be interested:
  
  http://blackagendareport.com/
  
  Of course, you might already be familiar with the site. But in case you are not, there is much there, I think, to corroborate what I take to be a big part of your theorizing about how the world works and, therefore, what needs to be taken into account to change it.
  
  Of course, others may find the site quite informative. A lot of ‘well researched’ efforts countering the propaganda of the imperial regime under which we live.
  
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  1. Norm says:
    
    December 9, 2013 at 10:53 am
    
    In particular, Mark, see this two part piece by ‘Keith Harmon Snow,’ titled:
    
    April 1994 to April 2012: Commemorating More Than 18 years of US Sponsored Terrorism in Central Africa
    
    …which you can find, here:
    
    http://blackagendareport.com/content/april-1994-april-2012-commemorating-more-18-years-us-sponsored-terrorism-central-africa-part
    
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Boz says:

December 9, 2013 at 5:18 am

People are assuming they know what was going on in an extraordinary situation to which they were not party. Without being there, it is impossible to know where the callers were in relation to the shooter. It is impossible to know whether screams were audible (there is evidence that children were told to stay quiet). It is impossible to know if gunshots could or could not be heard. There is, as usual, much application of confirmation bias that has no foundation.

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1. Norm says:
  
  December 9, 2013 at 2:11 pm
  
  Hi Boz,
  
  I don’t think I’m misreading you, but if I am, please correct me.
  
  Yes, our own susceptibility to, as you put it, ‘confirmation bias’ needs to be taken into account.
  
  If the ‘official story’ is in many respects self-contradictory and largely uncorroborated by the ‘evidence’ thus far having been made publicly available, we can yet easily run ahead of ourselves on the basis of both the paltry quality and dearth of the available ‘evidence’ — although it is true that we do need to entertain competing “possibilities of what happened” or “hypotheses” to guide our interpretations and integration of the pieces of the puzzle as they become available.
  
  It is one thing to be have a ‘reasonable’ hunch that wants to lead to a conclusion, and something else to reach a point where, in an investigation, a particular set of conclusions becomes difficult to in light of a carefully wrought deductions.
  
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2. Patrick says:
  
  December 9, 2013 at 2:27 pm
  
  “there is evidence that children were told to stay quiet”
  
  Would you please provide that evidence?
  
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Mark says:

December 9, 2013 at 10:42 am

Thanks Norm, Black Agenda Report is the best of the non-White sites. If you run across an equivalent Hispanic site, or other non-White site of any group, I would appreciate it. They are essential to building an anti-racist movement directed against White subjugating power.

Dec 14 is the anniversary of Sandy Hook and the media is already beginning the media bullshit trying to take guns away from the powerless. The militarized police could then shoot them down with impunity, and stop and frisk applied to the entire American population.
The new Elected major of NY hired the police chief who initially applied in systematically, Bratton to apply it after his Electoral campaign to pledging to eliminate it. Orwellian Democracy in Action under the Terrorist War.

If all the American people had assault rifles, trained in using them safely, we would be treated with more respect by American power. But it is necessary for the American people to understand how the White plutocracy historically captured the American state, and this involves understanding unpleasant truths that are elided in the news and Entertainment media, universities, and churches.

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John says:

December 9, 2013 at 6:56 pm

Bathroom Dilemma….

Can someone please explain how Kaitlin Roig (as told to Diane Sawyer) hid 14 kids and herself in a 4’7″x 3’6″ bathroom? with a door that opened inward?
Thank you.

(Room measurements supplied by the official report.)

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1. John Luv says:
  
  December 9, 2013 at 8:04 pm
  
  She did that during the Drill by hiding the kids in the actual bathroom in her room of the Chalk Hill Elementary School (aka Sandy Hook Elementary School Bathroom) which has much larger measurements, 7′ x 15′.
  
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2. DBA says:
  
  December 13, 2013 at 1:55 am
  
  She (Roig) also said she moved a bookcase in front of the bathroom door. Why would there be a bookcase in a bathroom ?
  
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NO SECRETS says:

December 11, 2013 at 12:36 pm

The Sandy Hook Shooting Anniversary – For Six Deadly Minutes They Waited.

“LET’S NOT SEND THEM IN YET” the dispatcher said……

The Newtown police arrived at the school about four minutes after the first 911 call, around 9:40 am according to a summary report released Wednesday. But then they waited outside for nearly six minutes while trying to figure out if there was a second shooter, according to a prosecutor’s report issued last week. Then there’s this puzzling statement by the dispatcher “well, let’s not send them in yet”. http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765642756/Newtown-to-release-911-calls-from-school-shooting.html

Even though it took only 4 minutes for police to reach the school they stalled for 6 more minutes after they arrived while shots were still being fired inside. According to the report “It’s not clear whether the delay made a difference because Lanza killed himself one minute after the first officer arrived on the scene”. REALLY??? I don’t think so.

Adam Lanza (sim) didn’t kill himself until later on when the police began to close in on him and were within feet of him. That was sometime between the last known shots at 9:46 and 9:51 when officers yelled “man down”. Does it matter? Not if it was a hoax but if this was a real event, as they would like you to believe, then this is a very embarrassing mistake that makes police officers look unprepared and unproffessional. Could this be why they sealed the 911 calls and delayed the report?

Fact is 6 minutes is a long time when you consider kids are dying and in desperate need of immediate medical attention. Seconds count in a medical emergency. This is a major embarassment to both CSP and Newtown police and they know it. To add to matters EMS were not allowed in the building even after the school was cleared. Sedensky knew these questions would surface when the report was released and this is why he with-held the 911 calls and the report. Think about the damage done to their credibility.

Obviously, they are more concerned about their own reputation than they were about the safety of the children. Who knows how many lives could have been saved if they had gone in 6 minutes earlier? This is the burning question, at least for those that don’t think it’s a hoax. As for me, I think it was a hoax but either way the 6 minutes will be the big question on everyone’s mind. It makes you wonder why the mainstream media is not addressing this delay of 6 minutes and it also makes you wonder why there are no lawsuits. Consider the shooting spree itself was only 5 minutes. Now add another 6 minutes on top of that. We are talking about a lot of potential for damage while officers waited outside the school. Everyone should be asking why. How many lives could have been saved? The media should be asking about this delay. Why aren’t they?

Why isn’t mainstream media even touching this subject???

Another important question is “when did Connecticut State Police arrive”. The innitial comunication indicates they are already there because they said ” the State police is there.” [call 3] Then one State police officer asks “how close are you guys to arriving on scene.”[call 5] Finally Newtown dispatch calls State police and State police say they already know about the shooting and that “helps coming”.[call 5] Does this make any sense to you? Read over these call entries and then read my take on it below….

Call 3 – starts at 9:36:13 a.m and ends 3 minuts 52 seconds later or 9:40:05

OPERATOR 1: John, I need you to call the state police. Just,..

OPERATOR 3: The state police is there.

Call 5 – starts at 9:40:02 am…………..

OPERATOR STATE POLICE: How close are you guys to arriving on scene?

OPERATOR NEWTOWN: What?

OPERATOR STATE POLICE: How close are you guys to . . .?

Apparently Newtown doesn’t respond to this request but instead they reply with…….

OPERATOR NEWTOWN: A female shot, uh, in the foot. You got a female party shot in the foot.

Call 5 – again………………

NEWTOWN OPERATOR: Hey, it’s Brophy from Newtown 911, how are you?

OPERATOR STATE POLICE: Good.

NEWTOWN OPERATOR: Did you guys hear what’s going on in Newtown right now?

OPERATOR STATE POLICE: There’s an active shooting.

NEWTOWN OPERATOR: Yeah, you got it.

OPERATOR STATE POLICE: O.K.

NEWTOWN OPERATOR: All right.

OPERATOR STATE POLICE: Yeah, help’s coming.

Continued……….

By omission, this last entry indicates to me that CSP doesn’t want Newtown dispatch to know they’re already at the school, otherwise, why would he say “helps coming”. Remember State police had already reported finding a victim shot in the foot earlier. Either this is Hammond or it’s the mystery teacher who wasn’t identified. This is near the beginning of call 5, around 9:40 am. That’s when the State operator says “This is the state police. I got a victim of the shooter here.” So we know State police were there already. And shortly before that a Newtown dispatcher says “the State police is there” [call 3].

Wouldn’t it make more sense if the State operator had said “yes we’re aware of the situation and state police officers are already at the school instead of saying “help’s coming”? It sounds like there’s no cooperation between the State operator and Newtown.

In one of the recordings released Wednesday Newtown dispatchers were heard frantically trying to call Connecticut state police but there was no answer . One of the three unanswered calls rang for at least 50 seconds. State police finally picked up on the fourth call but they had already been dispatched to the school by the time those calls were made, according to official call logs.

The State operator also asks “how close are you guys to arriving on scene”. Newtown dispatch doesn’t respond to the query. Finally Brophy of Newtown calls State police to let them know but the State operator tells Newtown they already know there’s a shooting in progress. Yes, they knew allright. Connecticut State Police had a front row seat.

I still believe CSP were already there the whole time. They only asked where Newtown police were to keep tabs on their location, worried perhaps, that Newtown police would mess up their plans, which is exactly what happened. When Newtown cops arrived through the boiler room entrance they surprise Rick Thorne. Now Sedensky has to explain away all these inconsistancies and reconcile the fact that Newtown Police waited a full 6 deadly minutes before entering the school.

And why bother answering the phone when it’s a drill and you’re already there? Isn’t call display Kool?

If you think all of this is a hoax why would any of this even matter?

It matters because this adds one more piece to the puzzle and every new piece further discredits the official story.

“Everyone Must Check In”

http://www.newstimes.com/local/article/Full-transcript-of-the-Sandy-Hook-911-calls-5036086.php

http://www.courant.com/news/opinion/editorials/hc-ed-sandy-hook-report-20131125,0,3905746.story

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/911-recordings-sandy-hook-shootings-released-article-1.1536629

http://www.wrdw.com/home/headlines/Newtown-911-dispatcher-urged-callers-to-take-cover-234467551.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3098558/posts?page=27

http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/12/05/newtown-911-calls-released

http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-sandy-hook-report-released1126-20131125,0,6858144.story?page=2

http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/newtown-sandy-hook-school-shooting/hc-sandy-hook-shooter-writings-20131130,0,6378499.story

The book of Granny: http://www.courant.com/media/acrobat/2013-11/264069560-25144246.pdf

PS: It recently came to my attention that Newtown government officials have asked that the media stay clear of their town when it marks the first anniversary of the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

“The community is choosing to remember and honor those who lost their lives in the Sandy Hook tragedy in ways that are quiet, personal and respectful,” Newtown first selectman Pat Llodra said in a written statement;

Should we to forget veterans day and rememberance day too?

I find this very strange in light of the fact that the families were not the least bit camera shy immediatly following the event. In fact some of them actively sought public attention and promoted new gun laws and do you remember all the media events scheduled for the family like football games and the trips to Washington?

Now that the hoax is exposed they just want to sweep it all under the rug.

Maybe I am wrong but that’s the way it looks to me.

Are there really any heros in this story?

According to officials 27 people died at Sandy Hook on Dec 14 2012. It’s possible the casualty count was higher because police waited outside the school. There are still a lot of burning questions, that need answering and I will not apologize for asking them. And if we don’t ask then what are the lessons to be learned Sandy Hook?

Yes, I am still torn by this event not knowing for sure who to believe or what really happened but I do know there’s a coverup. Their actions just reinforces my suspicions . The good news is, every day we shed more light on this story we come that much closer to the truth. Keep the faith.

NO SECRETS

“God bless the rich, the poor, the genius and the fool for am I no better than any. I am just a truth seeker.”

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NO SECRETS says:

December 27, 2013 at 1:27 pm

The official report is about to be released. Lets hope we can finally get to the bottom of this mess. I have added the correct links below. Please spread this information far and wide. Thank you!

SANDY HOOK SCHOOL SHOOTING INVESTIGATION COMPLETED; REPORT TO BE RELEASED

The Connecticut State Police report on the Dec. 14, 2012, shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School will be released on Friday, December 27, 2013, at 3:00 p.m.

The report will be available only at this website: http://www.ct.gov/statepolicenewtownreport

The report runs several thousand pages and has been redacted according to law.

The report does contain some text, photos and 911 calls received by the State Police on the day of the shootings.

The release of this document is indicative that this State Police criminal investigation is concluded.

###END###

LT. J. Paul Vance

http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=537354&A=4226

http://www.despp2.ct.gov/

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NO SECRETS says:

February 21, 2014 at 9:53 am

Is Autism Speaks a hate group?

Since Anne Murphy’s obituary mentions “Autism Speaks” I decided to do a little more research and I found this article on the examiner titled “Why autistic people don’t like Autism Speaks”

http://www.examiner.com/article/why-autistic-people-don-t-like-autism-speaks

http://www.examiner.com/article/autism-speaks-it-just-got-worse

This is just the tip of the iceberg it appears because there is a lot more resentment towards the group “Autism Speaks” than I would have guessed. Just google “autism speaks hate group”

In fact, all kinds of people have been posting their comments and some are not so favorable. Here’s one example.

“We certainly do have an epidemic that has to be stopped—and it is Autism Speaks’ epidemic of hateful propaganda and mass hysteria.”

http://autisticbfh.blogspot.com/2007/08/more-hate-speech-from-autism-speaks.html

The financial report doesn’t look good either. Here’s a website that suggest we should boycott Autism Speaks because they mismanaged funds…..

http://boycottautismspeaks.com/home.html

http://storify.com/MonkeyPliers/autism-speaks-is-a-hate-group

And there’s lots more where that came from.

I have to wonder if Anne Murphy was associated with Autism Speaks and why would they promote such an organization in her obituary?

Then I found a comment that got my attention on the following website http://www.dcclothline.com

” It looks to me like the hate group Autism Speaks paid these people off for some reason.”

http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/02/14/strange-purchase-date-price-sandy-hook-homes/

The entire comment is posted below.

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marytormey says:

February 18, 2014 at 11:03 am

The other dates are significant too.
December 25, 2009

http://www.autismspeaks.org/advocacy/advocacy-news/us-senate-passes-health-care-reform-bill-containing-provision-au

Nancy J. Lanza, 52:
36 Yogananda St, Sandy Hook, CT 06482
VGS says owner is Nancy J. Lanza
Ownership history:

Sold to Estate of Nancy J. Lanza on 2/1/2013 for $0
Sold to Nancy Lanza on 2/8/2011 for $0

Sold to Veronique Pozner on 3/17/2009 for $0
http://www.autismspeaks.org/advocacy/state/new%20mexico

It looks to me like the hate group Autism Speaks paid these people off for some reason.

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The above comment by Mary Tormey implies that Autism Speaks used bribery of some kind. I checked out one of the links in her post and it’s about a new health-care reform bill regarding autism. The bill passed around the same time as the gifted home sales took place in Sandy Hook. The article is date Dec 25 2009.

http://www.autismspeaks.org/advocacy/advocacy-news/us-senate-passes-health-care-reform-bill-containing-provision-au

It’s just something else to ponder.

Here’s some more websites. Check out the date.

“Advocacy groups are calling on Autism Speaks’ benefactors to end their support for the organization in response to a video critics say depicts people with …”

http://www.disabilityscoop.com/2009/09/25/autism-speaks-video/5541/

http://voices.yahoo.com/autism-speaks-promotes-hysteria-ignorance-4222217.html

http://autisticbigbro.wordpress.com/tag/hate-group/

http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2007/06/monica-bice-why-i-hate-autism-speaks.html

http://www.squidoo.com/autistics-speak-for-themselves

http://www.autismspeaks.org/site-wide/hate-speech

Then there’s this video……..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ACj_RzQzC4

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NO SECRETS says:

February 25, 2014 at 11:15 am

This is my last post regarding “Autism Speaks”. It was founded by Bob Wright Vice Chairman of General Electric. Who would have guessed.

“Before taking the helm of NBC in 1986, Wright was president of GE Financial Services president of Cox Cable Communications before that. Before that, he had a diversified career in general management, marketing, and broadcasting, much of it with GE.

As of May 2008 he is serving as the head of Media Mergers and Acquisitions at Thomas Lee Equity.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism_Speaks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Wright

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1. Anne B. says:
  
  February 25, 2014 at 3:24 pm
  
  No Secrets – thank you for these posts. During a recent move I had no Internet for two months and just now saw your postings.
  
  By the way, having no Internet by choice for a couple of months was gratis therapy.
  
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